PipeChat Digest #2391 - Wednesday, September 19, 2001
 
Re: AOL 6.0 problems
  by "Mandy Glass" <amadpoet@lycos.com>
Re: More Resultants
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: AOL 6.0 problems
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
Re: AOL 6.0 problems
  by "Mandy Glass" <amadpoet@lycos.com>
Re: AOL 6.0 problems
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
Re: AOL 6.0 problems
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Felix Hell - The Love Feast We All Needed
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: AOL 6.0 problems
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
Re: OHS Latest offerings
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: AOL 6.0 problems
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Felix Hell - The Love Feast We All Needed
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: More Resultants
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
Re: Crude Comments
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
Re: Felix Hell - The Love Feast We All Needed
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Felix Hell - The Love Feast We All Needed
  by "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Re: choir practices
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: AOL 6.0 problems From: "Mandy Glass" <amadpoet@lycos.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:13:42 -0500   Hi David-   Are my posts looking garbled? I use AOL 5 rather than 6, but lately email = to my mom on msn has looked VERY strange indeed.   Just making sure... Mandy -- On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:04:50 Administrator wrote: >At 8:13 PM -0400 9/18/01, RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: >>Hi Ad: >> >>My mail looks fine from here, is it still filled with junk when you >>receive it? > >Ron > >This post was in Plain Text whereas your previous post was in a form >of HTML. Please keep these settings! > >To the rest of you that use AOL 6.0, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do >download the files from the link that Ad posted. Your postings may >show up fine on your own machine but they don't always on other >people's machines due to the various email programs that are in use. > >The biggest problem with the HTML postings are in the Digest that >about one-third of the members of this list get. The list server >software takes those postings formatted in HTML and first put them in >the Digest in Plain Text BUT then it also takes all the HTML coding, >such as Ad showed in her note, and add that to the digest. Your >Fellow list Members on the digest have to wade through all of this >golbly-gook as part of their daily reading of the list. Please, for >their sake, make sure that your email program is sending in PLAIN >TEXT ONLY. > >Thanks > >David >-- >**************************************** >David Scribner >Owner / Co-Administrator >PipeChat     Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp  
(back) Subject: Re: More Resultants From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:19:49 -0700       Bruce Miles wrote:   > > "That favourite Theatre Organ combination Tibia 4' + 2/2.3' is another > practical use for resultants but at more amenable frequencies. There is = no 8 > ft fundamental, yet this is the pitch the listener hears, albeit highly > coloured. There are just the second and third harmonics, the 8 ft is > 'inferred'. BTW, if you play the 4' and 2.2/3' separately, then = together, > they just don't go back together again straight away - the ear remembers > they were separate and you have to wait a few moments to get the = fundamental > back again. > Fascinating stuff !! >   Another reason not to forget those tricks we learned on venerable Hammonds (grin) ... 4 + 2 2/3 + 2 was indeed the Oboe combination; 8 + 2 2/3 + 1 = 3/5 was the Clarinet, which can be very useful if one wants to make a "woodier" = Clarinet out of a Buzz-horn on a pipe organ ... simply add flutes at those pitches = and stir (grin).   I rather liked the 16 + 5 1/3 + 8 combination on the manual for = continuo-playing .... it gave a sort of Violone quality to the bass ... it also supplied = the resultant 16' in the bottom octave of older Hammonds where the true 16' = stop wasn't carried all the way down in the manuals.   Cheers,   Bud, who still remembers how to START one (grin)    
(back) Subject: Re: AOL 6.0 problems From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:24:13 -0400   The two worst Service Providers were AOL/Compuserve and MSN.   The best rated: Earthlink and AT&T.   Mandy Glass wrote:   > Hi David- > > Are my posts looking garbled? I use AOL 5 rather than 6, but lately = email to my mom on msn has looked VERY strange indeed. > > Just making sure... > Mandy > -- > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:04:50 > Administrator wrote: > >At 8:13 PM -0400 9/18/01, RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > >>Hi Ad: > >> > >>My mail looks fine from here, is it still filled with junk when you > >>receive it? > > > >Ron > > > >This post was in Plain Text whereas your previous post was in a form > >of HTML. Please keep these settings! > > > >To the rest of you that use AOL 6.0, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do > >download the files from the link that Ad posted. Your postings may > >show up fine on your own machine but they don't always on other > >people's machines due to the various email programs that are in use. > > > >The biggest problem with the HTML postings are in the Digest that > >about one-third of the members of this list get. The list server > >software takes those postings formatted in HTML and first put them in > >the Digest in Plain Text BUT then it also takes all the HTML coding, > >such as Ad showed in her note, and add that to the digest. Your > >Fellow list Members on the digest have to wade through all of this > >golbly-gook as part of their daily reading of the list. Please, for > >their sake, make sure that your email program is sending in PLAIN > >TEXT ONLY. > > > >Thanks > > > >David > >-- > >**************************************** > >David Scribner > >Owner / Co-Administrator > >PipeChat > > Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. > http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************      
(back) Subject: Re: AOL 6.0 problems From: "Mandy Glass" <amadpoet@lycos.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:00:09 -0500   LOL- tell me about it! Though using msn for a while put the fire back into = my relationship with AOL...msn is USELESS. But then I can EASILY get tired = of puters in general.   Give me an Allen any day. :::ducking:::   Mandy -- On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:24:13 Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS wrote:   >The two worst Service Providers were AOL/Compuserve and MSN. > >The best rated: Earthlink and AT&T.       Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp  
(back) Subject: Re: AOL 6.0 problems From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:02:16 -0400   I don't seem to grow tired of computers....I've been on the Internet for = 22 years!!!   Mandy Glass wrote:   > LOL- tell me about it! Though using msn for a while put the fire back = into my relationship with AOL...msn is USELESS. But then I can EASILY get = tired of puters in general. > > Give me an Allen any day. :::ducking::: > > Mandy > -- > On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:24:13 > Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS wrote: > > >The two worst Service Providers were AOL/Compuserve and MSN. > > > >The best rated: Earthlink and AT&T. > > Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. > http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************      
(back) Subject: Re: AOL 6.0 problems From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:12:33 -0400       "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" wrote: > > I don't seem to grow tired of computers....I've been on the Internet for = 22 years!!! >   Marika: nothing personal, but logoff for awhile and get some much overdo = rest.   Oh! Before you do --- where are the dirty pictures on the 'net'?   Stan :)  
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell - The Love Feast We All Needed From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:14:52 -0700 (PDT)     --- Malcolm Wechsler <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote: <<When Felix settled into the great Passacaglia, it felt like the master had taken over>>   Even though I have great respect for Malcom and enjoy his reviews, I feel this is a bit of a slap in the face of the other players.   The fact is Felix is a highly talented teenager, but some of the other payers mentioned perform with a superb maturity and sensitivity that Felix will some day grow into. He's not there yet, even though he is beyond his years. It's simply a question of age and life experience. Felix will become a great mature artist as he becomes older rather than a great young talent.   As much as I like Malcom, I can't help wonder if Hans has hired him to be Felix's public relations agent. His reviews simply salivate all over the place and slobber up an otherwise objective reviewers' opinion.   It really is a bit over the top, Malcom dear.       __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/  
(back) Subject: Re: AOL 6.0 problems From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:23:41 -0400   OH Stan...I log off every day....   As for dirty pics...geeh, I really don't know...did you check your own = hard drive lately?   ;o)   Stanley Lowkis wrote:   > "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" wrote: > > > > I don't seem to grow tired of computers....I've been on the Internet = for 22 years!!! > > > > Marika: nothing personal, but logoff for awhile and get some much overdo = rest. > > Oh! Before you do --- where are the dirty pictures on the 'net'? > > Stan :) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************      
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Latest offerings From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:21:39 -0500   "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> wrote:   > Uh oh, I feel a spending surge coming on....   Well, remember you will be not only be helping the cause of historic = organs, but also helping to stimulate the national economy.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: AOL 6.0 problems From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:35:19 -0400       "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" wrote: > > OH Stan...I log off every day.... > > As for dirty pics...geeh, I really don't know...did you check your own = hard drive lately? > > ;o)   I do.. frequently.. Damn! Time to defrag again. Stan :)  
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell - The Love Feast We All Needed From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:53:53 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Felix Hell - The Love Feast We All Needed     > > --- Malcolm Wechsler <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote: > <<When Felix settled into the great Passacaglia, it > felt like the master had taken over>> Jackson Williams II wrote: > Even though I have great respect for Malcom and enjoy > his reviews, I feel this is a bit of a slap in the > face of the other players.   That was the reference to walking on eggs, because I was so fearful that people might get the impression that you apparently did. I tried to make clear that it was not a comment on any of the other players, in pointing = out that Felix had been playing this organ regularly for years. It is a kind = of organ that is, in fact, a bit like walking on those eggs. I should have = been more clear about this. And I cannot help having had that feeling of repose when Felix settled into the Passacaglia.   > As much as I like Malcom, I can't help wonder if Hans > has hired him to be Felix's public relations agent. > His reviews simply salivate all over the place and > slobber up an otherwise objective reviewers' opinion. > It really is a bit over the top, Malcom dear. > I presume the top two lines of this are a joke. If not, it is a revolting thing to say, both in reference to me and to Hans Hell. I should make = clear that, as a self-appointed "critic," I never write about a recital I may = have attended about which I would have to say unpleasant things, or at least a preponderance of same. I don't feel I have the right or the mandate. But, when I do write, I stand firmly behind the objective nature of what I have heard - obviously there is the subjective, but I work very hard to balance all that and to work for truth. And, damn it, I am an equal opportunity salivator! My slobber is all over the place, and the fact that Felix gets = in the spray rather often is a direct result of what I, and not a few others = on this list who have heard him more than a few times, hear in his playing. I am not suggesting otherwise, but I do have to ask if you have actually = heard him in performance.   And furthermore, the record will show that I made some fairly serious criticisms of Felix's playing in the early years of my awareness of him, albeit in the context of well deserved praise. Those comments concerned problems of rhythmic instability in different musical situations which I thought quite problematical. They have evaporated.   Get your towel out. There is another review coming. I would suggest you delete!   Someone said, I don't care if you insult me as long as you spell my name right. MalcoLm - try it, it's not that hard!   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler    
(back) Subject: Re: More Resultants From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:28:56 -0400   ......speaking of starting a Hammond, I had an organ builder friend who claimed he could start a Stopped Flute............   Ed, in Maine   ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: Re: More Resultants     > > > I rather liked the 16 + 5 1/3 + 8 combination on the manual for continuo-playing > ... it gave a sort of Violone quality to the bass ... it also supplied = the > resultant 16' in the bottom octave of older Hammonds where the true 16' stop > wasn't carried all the way down in the manuals. > > Cheers, > > Bud, who still remembers how to START one (grin)      
(back) Subject: Re: Crude Comments From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:37:07 -0700 (PDT)   Dear Stanley:   Thanks for the spelling lesson. I know how to spell "obscene". Sometimes this keyboard will print two letters when I type one. I didn't catch that one.   D. Keith Morgan     --- Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> wrote: > Dear D. Keith, > Learn to spell "obscene" > luv, > S. Joseph > > and the matter is Closed. > > douglas morgan wrote: > > > > Dear Stanley: > > > > The kind of obscenne remarks below go beyond just > > being somewhat crude. The type of remarks posted > are > > in no way whatsoever appropriate to appear in > print in > > this or any other medium under any circumstances. > > > > If the question of free speech comes up, it is > > absolutely riduculous for anyone to assume that > free > > speech "rights" give him the right to say anything > he > > pleases no matter who is offended. Even here in > > America, we do NOT have the right to do anything > we > > please. Surprisingly to such people, I and other > > morally upright people have the right not to be > > bombarded with such obscene dribble. > > > > PLEASE -- let's drop the subject. > > > > D. Keith Morgan > > --- Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > douglas morgan wrote: > > > > > > > > Now we have crossed the line and gone past the > > > point > > > > of no return. It's time to drop this subject > and > > > get > > > > on with the business of organs and music. > > > > > > > > D. Keith Morgan > > > > > > Aw shucks. shoot! and the ultimate '4Q'.. > > > We're all crude here at times - at least I hope > so > > > among friends. > > > > > > Tell me about St. Patrick's and the Brooklyn > > > Paramount, in that order. > > > > > > signed, > > > S. Joseph Lowkis > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > > > organs & related topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > > Donate cash, emergency relief information > > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/  
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell - The Love Feast We All Needed From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:35:53 EDT     --part1_9a.1a026774.28dab009_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/19/01 8:16:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com writes:     > As much as I like Malcom, I can't help wonder if Hans > has hired him to be Felix's public relations agent. > His reviews simply salivate all over the place and > slobber up an otherwise objective reviewers' opinion. >   I distinctly remember Malcolm prefacing his remark that no slight was intended to any of the other players. It's only natural that Felix, who = is intimately familiar with that organ, would display a "bond" with it. I think Malcolm took sufficient precautions to prevent the other artists = from being denigrated or offended. I certainly did not feel that he was being =   unkind.   Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi     --part1_9a.1a026774.28dab009_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/19/01 8:16:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As much as I like = Malcom, I can't help wonder if Hans <BR>has hired him to be Felix's public relations agent. <BR>His reviews simply salivate all over the place and <BR>slobber up an otherwise objective reviewers' opinion. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I distinctly remember Malcolm prefacing his remark that no slight was = intended to any of the other players. &nbsp;&nbsp;It's only natural that = Felix, who is intimately familiar with that organ, would display a "bond" = with it. &nbsp;&nbsp;I think Malcolm took sufficient precautions to = prevent the other artists from being denigrated or offended. &nbsp;&nbsp;I = certainly did not feel that he was being unkind. <BR> <BR>Please visit the NEWLY RENOVATED Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_9a.1a026774.28dab009_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell - The Love Feast We All Needed From: "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:10:00 -0400     Who is this Fool? Williams 1/2 ????    
(back) Subject: Re: choir practices From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:48:36 EDT     --part1_51.11709a14.28dac114_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     If you come to the AGO national convention next year in Philadelphia, I = will be leading a workshop on this very topic (shameless self promotion, I = know).   >people straggle in anywhere up to half an hour late< I absolutely don't tolerate this. Of course the occasional lateness for legitimate reasons are inevitable. They used to tell us, begin precisely = on time, whether there is 1 or 2 or 12. If you stick to your guns, begin = on time, and insist on promptness, folks will begin to get the hint. = Especially if you tell them that you have already practiced this next week's = literature. I cannot stand having a horrible sound on Sunday mornings, but I have resorted to letting a choir embarrass the dickens out of themselves in = order to show them who is, in fact, responsible for the sound (I have rarely had = to do this).   >they really dislike "warm-up exercises"< Choir is not a democracy. It is a benevolent dictatorship. I think it = was Dr. Ann Jones, now of Boston University, who said the warm-up time is a transition from the talking world into a singing mindset. We have to = prepare the voice for its work.   >they want to practice every hymn for the following Sunday< There's nothing inherently wrong with this, but there's an alternate way = of doing it: why not intersperse the hymns in between your anthem literature = in the rehearsal time? I go over descants and any unfamiliar hymns for the = next Sunday, and that pretty much is it.   >Practice is set to begin at 7:00 p.m. and soon after 8:00 people start checking their watches and some even say their voices are "shot" for the evening.< If practice is at 7:00, and you say they don't straggle in until 7:30, = that means you're getting 30 minutes out of them. Aside from the fact that = it's just plain rude of them to even have this attitude, the reason they are "shot" is because they won't warm up.   Obviously, you may be director, but you are not in charge. This needs to change. I would bargain with them: if they want to practice hymns, then they will have to come on time so you can warm them up and sing thru what = YOU want to do first. Or put it to them this way: "I will be delighted to rehearse hymns for you once we have accomplished the goals I have set for = the rehearsal, which begins promptly at 7 PM." Hymns can be a nice way of letting down after a good rehearsal.   One thing I have learned, there is a certain type of folk that will not leave their house until time for rehearsal to begin. I have seen this all =   over the country. They don't leave their house til 7. Again, it's rude, rude, rude. They cannot get away with that in their work and expect to remain employed.   Good luck and God bless. See you in Philly :)   Neil Brown   --part1_51.11709a14.28dac114_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2> <BR>If you come to the AGO national convention next year in Philadelphia, = I will be leading a workshop on this very topic (shameless self promotion, = I know). <BR> <BR> &gt;people straggle in anywhere up to half an hour late&lt; <BR>I absolutely don't tolerate this. &nbsp;Of course the occasional = lateness for legitimate reasons are inevitable. &nbsp;They used to tell = us, begin precisely on time, whether there is 1 or 2 or 12. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If you stick to your guns, begin on time, and insist on = promptness, folks will begin to get the hint. &nbsp;Especially if you tell = them that you have already practiced this next week's literature. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I cannot stand having a horrible sound on Sunday mornings, but = I have resorted to letting a choir embarrass the dickens out of themselves = in order to show them who is, in fact, responsible for the sound (I have = rarely had to do this). <BR> <BR> &gt;they really dislike "warm-up exercises"&lt; <BR>Choir is not a democracy. &nbsp;It is a benevolent dictatorship. &nbsp;I = think it was Dr. Ann Jones, now of Boston University, who said the warm-up = time is a transition from the talking world into a singing mindset. = &nbsp;We have to prepare the voice for its work. <BR> <BR> &gt;they want to practice every hymn for the following Sunday&lt; <BR>There's nothing inherently wrong with this, but there's an alternate = way of doing it: &nbsp;why not intersperse the hymns in between your = anthem literature in the rehearsal time? &nbsp;I go over descants and any = unfamiliar hymns for the next Sunday, and that pretty much is it. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>&gt;Practice is set to begin at 7:00 p.m. and soon after 8:00 people = start checking their watches and some even say &nbsp;their voices are = "shot" for the evening.&lt; <BR>If practice is at 7:00, and you say they don't straggle in until 7:30, = that means you're getting 30 minutes out of them. &nbsp;Aside from the = fact that it's just plain rude of them to even have this attitude, the = reason they are "shot" is because they won't warm up. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Obviously, you may be director, but you are not in charge. &nbsp;This = needs to change. &nbsp;I would bargain with them: &nbsp;if they want to = practice hymns, then they will have to come on time so you can warm them = up and sing thru what YOU want to do first. &nbsp;Or put it to them this = way: &nbsp;"I will be delighted to rehearse hymns for you once we have = accomplished the goals I have set for the rehearsal, which begins promptly = at 7 PM." &nbsp;Hymns can be a nice way of letting down after a good = rehearsal. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>One thing I have learned, &nbsp;there is a certain type of folk that = will not leave their house until time for rehearsal to begin. &nbsp;I have = seen this all over the country. &nbsp;They don't leave their house til 7. = &nbsp;Again, it's rude, rude, rude. &nbsp;They cannot get away with that = in their work and expect to remain employed. <BR> <BR>Good luck and God bless. See you in Philly :) <BR> <BR>Neil Brown</FONT></HTML>   --part1_51.11709a14.28dac114_boundary--