PipeChat Digest #2787 - Monday, April 1, 2002
 
Still looking for winkers
  by "Bob K." <rkinner@one.net>
RE: Still looking for winkers
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: Leiblich Gedact...
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
EASTER DAY -- Toms River NJ
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Still looking for winkers
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Holy Week and Easter Music
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
Cabaret church in Hollywood
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Leiblich Gedact...
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re; Cabaret Church in Hollywood
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Cabaret church *(LONG)
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
RE: Cabaret Church in Hollywood
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Apologies re Mammoth Trumpet
  by "Bruce  Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: Cabaret church *(LONG)
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: Cabaret church *(LONG)
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
Re: Cabaret church *(LONG)
  by "MOC" <MCheckley@mcheckley.fsbusiness.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Still looking for winkers From: "Bob K." <rkinner@one.net> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 07:56:37 -0500   I'm still looking for a good-sized winker, willing to repair or releather.   Bob   -- "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi        
(back) Subject: RE: Still looking for winkers From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:25:15 -0500   Bob: If you have the means to repair a winker you likely have the ability = to make one. (IMHO). There are 5 to 6 pieces of wood involved, fasteners, = glue, perhaps some felt and rubbercloth (or leather) and a leaf spring.   A. Mead -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Bob K. Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:57 AM To: Pipe Chat Subject: Still looking for winkers   I'm still looking for a good-sized winker, willing to repair or releather.   Bob   -- "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Leiblich Gedact... From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 09:05:57 -0800   >Lieblich Gedact means "lovely wood" I think -though it sounds as if >your pipes are metal. Had your thought of approaching the problem >from the inside - i.e. put some form of surface on the stoppers? >John Foss   "Gedact" should be "Gedackt" or "Gedeckt" from the Germanic (Dutch or German) meaning "covered" or "with a roof" , and yes, "lieblich" is "lovely".   So it says "lovely covered (or stopped) flute"   John Vanderlee   (speaking Dutch for 50+ years)  
(back) Subject: EASTER DAY -- Toms River NJ From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:48:04 EST     --part1_6.2693d998.29d9cd24_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH Toms River, New Jersey USA, Easter Day, 3/31/02   Rev. Bruce Quigley, Senior Pastor Neil Brown, Minister of Music/Organist (II/24 Schantz)   PROCESSIONAL. Handbell Choir began a free ring in the parking lot and = slowly moved in to the Chancel, followed by the Sanctuary Choir and pastors. The =   rain stopped long enough for this to occur in both the 8:30 and 11:00 services. It was MARVELOUS!!   INTROIT. "The Easter Song" by Anne Herring (Sanctuary Choir)   PRAISE AND CELEBRATION MEDLEY. --Christ the Lord is Risen Today (first 3 stanzas) --Lo! In the Grave He Lay (1 stanza) --Majesty! (praise chorus) --Christ the Lord is Risen Today (final stanza).   CHORAL WORSHIP. "Let the Alleluias Resound" (Mark Hayes).   GLORIA PATRI (Neil Brown).   OFFERTORY. "Carillon of Joy" (Kevin McChesney), Handbells.   HYMN AFTER OFFERTORY. "Crown Him with Many Crowns".   FINAL HYMN. "Lift High the Cross" (arr. by David and Cindy Moklebust) --includes Handbells. There is an optional brass part, but we didn't = utilize this.   RECESSIONAL. "La Rejouissance" (Handel, Water Music -- I think :).   It was a glorious day, and attendance was back up to usual Easter Levels. =   Peace to you all.   Neil Brown       --part1_6.2693d998.29d9cd24_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH <BR>Toms River, New Jersey USA, Easter Day, 3/31/02 <BR> <BR>Rev. Bruce Quigley, Senior Pastor <BR>Neil Brown, Minister of Music/Organist (II/24 Schantz) <BR> <BR>PROCESSIONAL. &nbsp;Handbell Choir began a free ring in the parking = lot and slowly moved in to the Chancel, followed by the Sanctuary Choir = and pastors. &nbsp;The rain stopped long enough for this to occur in both = the 8:30 and 11:00 services. &nbsp;It was MARVELOUS!! <BR> <BR>INTROIT. "The Easter Song" by Anne Herring (Sanctuary Choir) <BR> <BR>PRAISE AND CELEBRATION MEDLEY. &nbsp; <BR>--Christ the Lord is Risen Today (first 3 stanzas) <BR>--Lo! In the Grave He Lay (1 stanza) <BR>--Majesty! (praise chorus) <BR>--Christ the Lord is Risen Today (final stanza). <BR> <BR>CHORAL WORSHIP. "Let the Alleluias Resound" (Mark Hayes). <BR> <BR>GLORIA PATRI (Neil Brown). <BR> <BR>OFFERTORY. "Carillon of Joy" (Kevin McChesney), Handbells. <BR> <BR>HYMN AFTER OFFERTORY. "Crown Him with Many Crowns". <BR> <BR>FINAL HYMN. &nbsp;"Lift High the Cross" (arr. by David and Cindy = Moklebust) <BR>--includes Handbells. &nbsp;There is an optional brass part, but we = didn't utilize this. <BR> <BR>RECESSIONAL. &nbsp;"La Rejouissance" (Handel, Water Music -- I think = :). <BR> <BR>It was a glorious day, and attendance was back up to usual Easter = Levels. &nbsp;Peace to you all. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_6.2693d998.29d9cd24_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Still looking for winkers From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:03:47 EST   I'm in agreement with Andrew Mead here - copy what you have, or tailor it = to the appropriate size.  
(back) Subject: Holy Week and Easter Music From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:41:25 -0800 (PST)   At Saint Luke's (ELCA), Manhattan   PALM SUNDAY Ecumenical Distribution and Blessing of Palms, Times Square, followed by processions to St. Malachy's, St. Clement's, and St. Luke's churches All Glory, Laud, and Honor on the street, plus Ride On, Ride On, in the church After sermon: Crucifixus from Messe h-moll, JSB Two anthems by visiting choir from Ithaca High School, central Wisconsin. Communion: Ah, Holy Jesus (HERZLIEBSTER JESU) Recessional: In the Cross of Christ I Glory (RATHBUN) (Passion readng accompanied by tasteful and effective work by percussionist and oboist) No postlude.   MAUNDY THURSDAY Massive confession and absolution (are we Lutherans the only ones who make Maundy Thursday still a great penitential day?) Great God, Your Love Has Called Us (RYBURN) Mandatum, with UBI CARITAS ET AMOR Communion: Jesus Christ, Our Blessed Savior (JESUS CHRISTUS, UNSER HEILAND) Motet: Tantum ergo, premiere, by our own Pedro d'Aquino   GOOD FRIDAY Lamb of God, Pure and Sinless (O LAMM GOTTES, UNSCHULDIG) Jesus, I Will Ponder Now (JESU KREUZ, LEIDEN UND PEIN) Motet: Adoramus te, Christe (premiere, by Pd'A) The Royal Banners Forwrd Go (VEXILLA REGIS)   GREAT VIGIL OF EASTER Starting out on the sidewalk: usual stuff, but Pastor adlibbed a restoration of the old rites for carving, placing incense grains, etc. I liked it. Third lesson was a marvelous setting of Exodus 14-15 by Rory Cooney. GIA, 1991. A real BALL to sing, antiphonal between Cantor and people. Gloria by Richard Proulx--but I missed it because I was up in the tower ringing the bells. Sermon read from St. John Chrysostom for this occasion Christ Is Arisen (CHRIST IST ERSTANDEN) Come, you Faithful, Raise the Strain (GAUDEAMUS PARITER) Communion: Wake, Awake (David Hurd) This Joyful Eastertide (VRUECHTEN) which I can't recommend strongly enough. Terrific hymn.   EASTER MORNING Organ Concerto (organ and string quintet), by G. F. Handel Jesus Christ Is Risen Today (EASTER HYMN) Gospel Procession: Christ Is Arisen (CHRIST IST ERSTANDEN) Cantata: Christ lag in Todesbanden (JSB) (organ, choir, string quintet) Christ the Lord Is Risen Today! (ORENTIS PARTIBUS) Communion: Pascha nostrum (Pedro d'Aquino premiere) During communion: We Who Once Were Dead (MIDDEN IN DE DOOD) At the Lamb's High Feast (SONNE DER GERECTIGKEIT) Christ the Lord Is Risen Today (LLANFAIR) The rest of the Handel Concerto   In sum: Saint Luke's is the church I started looking for in about 1948, and sort of found six or eigh years ago, and has "become" the church I was looking for for over a half century, in the past two years. I'm ready for my own eschatalogical event when it comes.   Alan     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Cabaret church in Hollywood From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:48:55 -0500   Did anyone else hear the NPR Radio article last Saturday morning about the Methodist church in Hollywood or West Hollywood whose new minister has thrown out all traditional music and, evidently, orders of service, in = favor of a style of music-- in fact, actual songs-- straight out of a cabaret or = a Las Vegas casino? Many of the pews must have been removed along with the carpeting (the one aspect of the development worthy of applause), for it = was reported that congregants can now dance during the service when they feel like it. A new sound system is "state of the art" and theatrical lighting is being added.   Attendance has increased five-fold in just a few months. Of course, it was noted a minute later that when the minister took over this moribund congregation, average Sunday attendance was only five, so that doesn't exactly represent a groundswell of popularity in terms of absolute = numbers. Nevertheless, there seems to be talent. The music used is allegedly sung = by members, usually to recorded accompaniment. What we heard sounded for all the world like Old Blue-Eyes himself.   I certainly have nothing against cabarets, dancing or theatrical = spotlights. But when such an atmosphere is emulated by a church, the church is losing = it fast.   NPR Radio used either to just ignore Christian matters or occasionally = cast sidewise aspersions. I was rejoicing for awhile that they seem to have taken more interest, but when their coverage takes the form of plugging = such aberrations as though they're the coming thing, it makes one want to long for the good-old days. It's a case of either misrepresentation or dancing on a grave.          
(back) Subject: Re: Leiblich Gedact... From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:33:38 +0000   Yes! Thank you for correcting my homework! I have come across two other errors in recent posts of mine - the Jubilee Chapel Hoxton Moller used by the BBC for broadcasts for many years was a 5 manual, not 4. Does anyone know what happened to it? The organ featured on the front cover of Cinema Organ Volume II features the Radio City Music Hall Wurlitzer. John Foss         _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re; Cabaret Church in Hollywood From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:26:38 EST   Paul Emmons writes:   >Attendance has increased five-fold in just a few months.<<   Not surprising, Paul, and it is not limited to the Methodist denomination. = More and more churches are moving to a "free will" style of worship which = to me is the logical and predictable next step from "Blended Worship, " that recent buzz word meaning neither one nor the other but a mongrel amalgamation. Make no mistake, it is not only local pastors advocating = this for in heirarchial church structure, pressure is being exerted from the = top to grow, grow, grow. Speaking before a conference committee on which I serve, a visiting district superintendent advised, "Although the message never changes, the methods of delivery must change with the times." Yeah, =   right!   This subject brings to mind a verse from a contemporary church musical:   Numbers, numbers, numbers; That's the name of the game. Just keep 'em pour'n Through the door, No matter why they came!   Keep the faith, Jim P              
(back) Subject: Re: Cabaret church *(LONG) From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:11:12 -0500   I continue to be saddened by the state of the Methodist church in general, so the Cabaret Church doesn't surprise me.   1) A local evangelical congregation bought the old H.Q. building (H.Q. was like Home Depot or Lowe's), trumpeted the fact that "architects from Disney" were redesigning it for their use. It has no religious iconography anywhere. It doesn't look remotely ecclesiastical, at least to me. For weeks a bright internally-lit photographic billboard of an old-style telephone was the single most recognizable feature in the signage, it said "Hul-loh, duh...! The CLUE PHONE is RINGING!!!"   2) At my own church (UMC), at which I've been very happy for going-on-3 years the following happened in the last six weeks: a) we sang "Crown Him With Many Crowns" on Palm Sunday b) we sang "Lift High The Cross" on Maundy Thursday. c) the newly-hired contemporary service music director declared that Lent is "Totally irrelevant to my faith. Every Sunday is Easter and I don't need 40 days to sit around and think about it." So, first, the clergy lacks the training in or dedication to traditional liturgy if they're choosing hymns so capriciously. It's of such low priority, in fact, that they see nothing wrong in hiring staff with Cabaret Church Philosophies and letting them espouse them openly! So, out with the Liturgical Year and in with What's Happening Now. It's pretty predictable after that... I noticed in the newspaper s that our contemporary service placed blurbs that the Easter service message was called "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation!!! Did Jesus really die and rise again? Learn the medical evidence and facts!!!!" This was so close to the insipid tenor of the "Clue Phone" billboard that I literally could not believe my eyes. So, seems like self-help and TV sensationalism are the buzz-words.   Jim P's remarks about this blurring of roles and discarding of tradition coming from the clergy themselves AND even higher in the church structure are exactly correct:   I got so perturbed that we hadn't really sung any Lenten hymns for the last six weeks that I picked up the Methodist Hymnal to look for the section on Lent. Well, guess what? There IS no Lent section. I guess I never noticed, so I'm as bad as everyone else. There is "Resurrection and Exaltation" (Easter), preceded by "Passion And Death" (mostly Palm Sunday into rather specifically Holy Week hymns....15, of which we sang 2.) That's preceded by a section called "Life And Teaching" : 15 hymns, a lot of them of questionable use (two sung settings of the Lord's Prayer), Lord of The Dance, Jesus' Hands Were Kind Hands (sung to the tune Au Clair De La Lune, how Kindergarten...) a Marian Hymn written in 1985, four perhaps worthy but never-done contemporary hymns (Brian Wren/Charles Webb's "Woman In The NIght" for example). Then, two: Lord, Who Throughout These Forty Days (Land of Rest) and O Love How Deep (Deo Gratias, Agincourt) which are the only two I would classify as Lenten Hymns.   So... can you blame the clergy for not focusing on choosing Lenten hymns during Lent? I mean, there's an index in the back with other suggestion for Lent, but... who has time to root through that? Seems like it's not just the clergy, it's the whole organizational philosophy: who cares? It's only the Liturgical Year, how old hat.   The good news: at Cincinnati's Christ Church Cathedral (Episcopal), the hour-and-forty-five minute Great Vigil of Easter on Saturday night was absolutely perfect. The Exsultet was sung with flawless diction and intonation by Canon Anne Wrider, of all things, one of the resident clergy. The men-only choir sang the Palestrina Sicut Cervis (sp?) beautifully, as they did the rest of the service music. It was so moving and instructive that it'll keep me going for quite some time.   I'll shut up now.   Charles Peery Cincinnati    
(back) Subject: RE: Cabaret Church in Hollywood From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:10:50 -0500   Jim P. writes:   >More and more churches are moving to a "free will" style of worship which to me is the logical and predictable next step from "Blended Worship, " that recent buzz word meaning neither one nor the other but a mongrel amalgamation. Make no mistake, it is not only local pastors advocating = this   for in heirarchial church structure, pressure is being exerted from the = top to grow, grow, grow.   This scenario reminds me of a place that I might as well confess to having attended now and again ca. 1980: a discotheque of, er, clandestine nature = in Seattle called "The Monastery." The building in which it was housed had been a church, and this theme was preserved to some extent in the decor. Furthermore, the proprietors would publicly maintain that it was still a church, that they were clergy, and that the membership went there to worship. The last part may have had considerable truth to it;-) yet this ruse was maintained essentially in satirical fun, and to tie the = authorities into a few conceptual knots and maybe eke out a legal or tax break or two. Few believed the claim-- those making it probably least of all.   Did it pack'em in? You bet.   Now I have two questions:   (1) When does a church cease to be a church at all and become like "The "Monastery?"   (2) Given the falsity of a claim to be a church, what is worse: if the management and patrons realize that the claim is false, or if they don't?    
(back) Subject: Apologies re Mammoth Trumpet From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:05:55 +0100   Abject apologies for the multiple post on the above. It was, I assure you, quite unintentional.   My little joke went sadly wrong. I blame Outlook Express (well, I would, wouldn't I).   Seasons Greetings,   Bruce Miles   mail to:- bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk website:- http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk      
(back) Subject: Re: Cabaret church *(LONG) From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:49:10 -0600   Don't even get me started here! I have been Methodist all of my life and what is going on now is awful. I quit my organ position of 25 years = because of the same reason. "Let's all sing from the Master Chorus Book!" says = our pastor who was the manager of a Hardies fast food place 3 years ago. = "Let's not!" says the organist of 25 years and believes that tradition and a liturgic following should be adhered. I have been attending the = Episcopal Church now for over a year and love it more every Sunday. I am so glad to hear that I am not the only one who feels this way. Thanks. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>OH Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Cabaret church *(LONG)     > I continue to be saddened by the state of the Methodist church in > general, so the Cabaret Church doesn't surprise me. > > 1) A local evangelical congregation bought the old H.Q. building (H.Q. > was like Home Depot or Lowe's), trumpeted the fact that "architects from > Disney" were redesigning it for their use. It has no religious > iconography anywhere. It doesn't look remotely ecclesiastical, at least > to me. For weeks a bright internally-lit photographic billboard of an > old-style telephone was the single most recognizable feature in the > signage, it said "Hul-loh, duh...! The CLUE PHONE is RINGING!!!" > > 2) At my own church (UMC), at which I've been very happy for going-on-3 > years the following happened in the last six weeks: > a) we sang "Crown Him With Many Crowns" on Palm Sunday > b) we sang "Lift High The Cross" on Maundy Thursday. > c) the newly-hired contemporary service music director declared > that Lent is "Totally irrelevant to my faith. Every Sunday is Easter > and I don't need 40 days to sit around and think about it." So, first, > the clergy lacks the training in or dedication to traditional liturgy if > they're choosing hymns so capriciously. It's of such low priority, in > fact, that they see nothing wrong in hiring staff with Cabaret Church > Philosophies and letting them espouse them openly! So, out with the > Liturgical Year and in with What's Happening Now. It's pretty > predictable after that... I noticed in the newspaper s that our > contemporary service placed blurbs that the Easter service message was > called "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation!!! Did Jesus really die and rise > again? Learn the medical evidence and facts!!!!" This was so close to > the insipid tenor of the "Clue Phone" billboard that I literally could > not believe my eyes. So, seems like self-help and TV sensationalism are > the buzz-words. > > Jim P's remarks about this blurring of roles and discarding of tradition > coming from the clergy themselves AND even higher in the church > structure are exactly correct: > > I got so perturbed that we hadn't really sung any Lenten hymns for the > last six weeks that I picked up the Methodist Hymnal to look for the > section on Lent. Well, guess what? There IS no Lent section. I guess > I never noticed, so I'm as bad as everyone else. There is "Resurrection > and Exaltation" (Easter), preceded by "Passion And Death" (mostly Palm > Sunday into rather specifically Holy Week hymns....15, of which we sang > 2.) That's preceded by a section called "Life And Teaching" : 15 > hymns, a lot of them of questionable use (two sung settings of the > Lord's Prayer), Lord of The Dance, Jesus' Hands Were Kind Hands (sung to > the tune Au Clair De La Lune, how Kindergarten...) a Marian Hymn written > in 1985, four perhaps worthy but never-done contemporary hymns (Brian > Wren/Charles Webb's "Woman In The NIght" for example). Then, two: > Lord, Who Throughout These Forty Days (Land of Rest) and O Love How Deep > (Deo Gratias, Agincourt) which are the only two I would classify as > Lenten Hymns. > > So... can you blame the clergy for not focusing on choosing Lenten hymns > during Lent? I mean, there's an index in the back with other suggestion > for Lent, but... who has time to root through that? Seems like it's not > just the clergy, it's the whole organizational philosophy: who cares? > It's only the Liturgical Year, how old hat. > > The good news: at Cincinnati's Christ Church Cathedral (Episcopal), the > hour-and-forty-five minute Great Vigil of Easter on Saturday night was > absolutely perfect. The Exsultet was sung with flawless diction and > intonation by Canon Anne Wrider, of all things, one of the resident > clergy. The men-only choir sang the Palestrina Sicut Cervis (sp?) > beautifully, as they did the rest of the service music. It was so > moving and instructive that it'll keep me going for quite some time. > > I'll shut up now. > > Charles Peery > Cincinnati > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Cabaret church *(LONG) From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:52:00 -0800 (PST)   Charles:   I appreciated your post very much; every word of it.   Thank you.   Be assured that your disappointment is shared by many others, and applies to other denominations as well.   I'm no defender of Methodist "directions," and utterly unqualified to be one if I were so inclined, but know that the front (in the military sense) that is being defended, exists (in both the offensive and the defensive) in other denominations as well. I'm Lutheran (ELCA) and can tell you that several of our VERY best minds have departed, in the last decade or two, for the waters of the Tiber and of the Bosphorus (well-known names will occur to some readers here). I'm not recommending that route (or those routes); stay with us, brethren and sistren. We need one another.   Person the gates, y'all, according to your best gifts.   Alan (being awfully PC today)           __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Cabaret church *(LONG) From: "MOC" <MCheckley@mcheckley.fsbusiness.co.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:31:04 +0100   Alan, be assured the gates are very well-personed in Worcestershire !   Mark.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:52 Subject: Re: Cabaret church *(LONG)     > Charles: > > I appreciated your post very much; every word of it. > > Thank you. > > Be assured that your disappointment is shared by many > others, and applies to other denominations as well. > > I'm no defender of Methodist "directions," and utterly > unqualified to be one if I were so inclined, but know > that the front (in the military sense) that is being > defended, exists (in both the offensive and the > defensive) in other denominations as well. I'm > Lutheran (ELCA) and can tell you that several of our > VERY best minds have departed, in the last decade or > two, for the waters of the Tiber and of the Bosphorus > (well-known names will occur to some readers here). > I'm not recommending that route (or those routes); > stay with us, brethren and sistren. We need one > another. > > Person the gates, y'all, according to your best gifts. > > Alan (being awfully PC today) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >