PipeChat Digest #2797 - Sunday, April 7, 2002 Re: Tentative IRC Chat time by "Douglas A Campbell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Death of the Queen Mother by "Bruce Miles" <email@example.com> Re: Organ in Westminster Abbey. by "Bob Conway" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Organ in Westminster Abbey /New 'telly" by "Stanley Lowkis" <email@example.com> Organ, Westminster Abbey by "Hugh Drogemuller" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Death of the Queen Mother by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Re: Solemn Mass of Easter at National Shrine by <RonSeverin@aol.com> Mozart's Ave Verum by "Joshua Edwards" <email@example.com> Felix Hell in Buffalo (X-post) by "Douglas A Campbell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> H&H rebuilds of T.C. Lewis organs, by "Hugh Drogemuller" <email@example.com> Regarding the Funeral Procession... by "Nick" <firstname.lastname@example.org> E. Power Biggs Recital Recreated by "David Scribner" <email@example.com> No Felix, another organ by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> New and looking for info on Franklin Legge by "Steve Gilson" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: MIRC by <RonSeverin@aol.com> Re: H&H rebuilds of T.C. Lewis organs, by "Roger Brown" <email@example.com> Re: Mozart's Ave Verum by <ContraReed@aol.com> Re: HELL TAKES OVER BUFFALO! by "Malcolm Wechsler" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Re: Tentative IRC Chat time From: "Douglas A Campbell" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 02:40:05 -0500 Dear Alan, Somehow, I SERIOUSLY doubt that you have "nothing to contribute"...in fact, some of us wish you'd contribute a LOT more ! Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:26:42 -0800 (PST) Alan Freed <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes: > Won't be there. Have nothing to contribute. But > definitely want you to know that I wish the best to > your conversing. > > Enjoy! > > Alan in NYC > > --- Bob Conway <email@example.com> wrote: > > David, and anyone else that might be interested. > > > > Three of us have set up a tentative European Chat > > time for 4.00 pm Eastern > > Time, on Wednesdays, - this is just to get it off > > the ground, - we will > > keep you all posted as the chat develops. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.
(back) Subject: Re: Death of the Queen Mother From: "Bruce Miles" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 18:10:49 +0100 Hello all, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Conway" > I would entirely agree with Ross regarding the Westminster Abbey organ, = - > it is not anywhere as good as the one in Southwark Cathedral, - I heard = a > recital on each of them only last September, and the Lewis in Southwark > Cathedral is decidedly the better instrument. Better for what ? I seem to recall the Southwark Cathedral organ is voiced on very low wind pressure, and is in a much smaller building. Perhaps for the job in hand (leading a vast congregation on a great national occasion) the Westminster Abbey organ is very well suited. IMHO Bruce Miles mail to:- email@example.com website:- http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk
(back) Subject: Re: Organ in Westminster Abbey. From: "Bob Conway" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 13:16:25 -0500 Bruce, You are quite right, the organ in Westminster Abbey is probably right for its main purpose, that of Service accompaniment, - but used in a recital, it is not as good as the Lewis in Southwark Cathedral, IMHO! However, we are having a new "telly" delivered this afternoon, - just in time for the Queen Mother's Funeral on Tuesday morning! May be the sound will be better than in our old TV! Bob Conway At 06:10 PM 4/6/02 +0100, you wrote: >Hello all, > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Conway" > > > I would entirely agree with Ross regarding the Westminster Abbey = organ, - > > it is not anywhere as good as the one in Southwark Cathedral, - I = heard a > > recital on each of them only last September, and the Lewis in = Southwark > > Cathedral is decidedly the better instrument. To which Bruce replied; >Better for what ? > >I seem to recall the Southwark Cathedral organ is voiced on very low wind >pressure, and is in a much smaller building. Perhaps for the job in hand >(leading a vast congregation on a great national occasion) the = Westminster >Abbey organ is very well suited. > >IMHO > >Bruce Miles
(back) Subject: Re: Organ in Westminster Abbey /New 'telly" From: "Stanley Lowkis" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 14:08:02 -0500 Bob Conway wrote: > > > However, we are having a new "telly" delivered this afternoon, - just in > time for the Queen Mother's Funeral on Tuesday morning! May be the = sound > will be better than in our old TV! Bob, If the TV has audio output jacks, you can plug the sound into your stereo. The sound quality of the BBC is very good - comparable to a good FM = station. Just a thought, if it's practical to set it up. Stan
(back) Subject: Organ, Westminster Abbey From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 14:52:30 -0500 List members... My only live experience of this instrument was from standing by the = console which is up on the screen. I was much more impressed by the sound at this vantage point than from any recordings. I should add I am referring to = the post 1986 instrument. HD
(back) Subject: Re: Death of the Queen Mother From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:24:31 +1200 Better for what? Well, try just these three - for accompanying the choir, for accompanying nave congregational singing, and for playing organ music. Is that enough to go on? In my book, TCLewis wins hands-down over any contest with the Harrison & Harrison rebuild in the Abbey. And yes, when H&H did their utterly superb job of restoration to the original Lewis, by dropping wind pressures and = so on, they really did know what they were doing. The entire organ, 32fts and all, is on LESS than 4" wind. It may sound a low pressure, but Lewis used big-scales here, heavy spotted metal, low cut-ups and wide mouths. He was scoffed at in 1898 when the organ was installed, as being old-fashioned = and ridiculous, but time has proved him correct. For example, just one thing though a very major one in terms of tone, is that the Great Diapason = chorus dominates and does not need the Swell (or Great, for that matter) reeds as Willis and H&H did. On the Great there are two original 4rk Mixtures and they make a wonderful sound. Sure, the nave is smaller, but remember that the Abbey organ is placed = high up the wall and on the screen, while Southwark's Lewis is at ground level = in a foul low-roofed chamber two aisles out to the side, though the Choir has been transferred into the quire. That chamber was vigorously opposed by Lewis himself, but the church authorities were adamant, virtually saying, "If you want a bloody organ here at all, then you'll stuff it where we = tell you." Yes, that sounds crude, but their documented attitudes are plain to read. The Lewis would sound absolutely stunning in the Abbey, or even St Paul's, as Lewis pipework works well in any building whatever the size. The Abbey = is a bigger building, for sure, but the organ is also a very great deal = bigger and has full length-32fts among other things, while Southwark has an Acoustic Bass 32ft. The other two 32fts run only a few notes and nowhere near CCCC. The sheer quality and balance of tone of the Lewis, to me anyway, also way outranks the very-much-newer H&H in Coventry. In this latter, the bass = booms and the treble shrieks unpleasantly yet there is stuff-all tone and no middle. No apologies for these remarks, whatever "received wisdom" and mystique = they may contradict. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Miles <email@example.com> To: PipeChat <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:12 AM Subject: Re: Death of the Queen Mother >Hello all, > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Conway" > >> I would entirely agree with Ross regarding the Westminster Abbey organ, = - >> it is not anywhere as good as the one in Southwark Cathedral, - I heard = a >> recital on each of them only last September, and the Lewis in Southwark >> Cathedral is decidedly the better instrument. > >Better for what ? > >I seem to recall the Southwark Cathedral organ is voiced on very low wind >pressure, and is in a much smaller building. Perhaps for the job in hand >(leading a vast congregation on a great national occasion) the = Westminster >Abbey organ is very well suited. > >IMHO > >Bruce Miles > >mail to:- email@example.com >website:- http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org >Administration: mailto:email@example.com >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org >
(back) Subject: Re: Solemn Mass of Easter at National Shrine From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:18:08 EST Dear Craig: They sang the Vidi Aquam in english. The Alleluias were from the Easter Hymn O Filii, et Filiae. Pierre Cochereau and the choir of Notre Dame recorded it. It must be an arrangement. Ron
(back) Subject: Mozart's Ave Verum From: "Joshua Edwards" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:57:35 -0500 Can anyone give me a reference to a good source about Mozart's Ave Verum? I'm needing it's historical background and so forth. It's for a conducting project and I just can't seem to find information on the net. Thanks in advance, Josh Edwards
(back) Subject: Felix Hell in Buffalo (X-post) From: "Douglas A Campbell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 18:27:31 -0500 Sometimes, MAGIC just happens ! Such was the case Friday night, as four of us travelled from Central NY to Buffalo to hear Felix Hell on the Slee Hall Fisk (Opus 95) at SUNY at Buffalo. Two of us had travelled to Schenectady last month to hear Felix play there and all I can say is ..."What a difference!" The Slee Hall Fisk is quite an instrument ! (Specs at Http://www.cbfisk.com Opus 95). For those of us that haven't heard a large sampling of organs by specific builders, we tend to form opinions based on things said on the list. Well, this organ is NOTHING like what I had envisioned ! The only other Fisk that I have heard (and played) was Old West Church in Boston and this organ of a much more recent vintage, speaks with a completely different dialect ! We had been warned that the Fisk was a "difficult organ", that it was "shrill" and was basically NOT a good instrument ! SURPRISE, Surprise, surprise ! It was wonderful ! Although I found that there was "something" in the upper work that seemed too agressive, it was NOT the mixtures ! Perhaps it was the 2' Fifteenth on the GREAT, I'm not sure. However, many others in attendance did not get the same immpression. The organ is agressive, and quite loud, but a really thrilling listening experience. I can easily see, however, how this organ could have gotten a "bad rap". Creative registration is the "magic key" to unlock the wonders of this instrument. Under the registrations of a timid organist, this organ has the capability to get really wild. Felix was the perfect organist to bring this instrument into it's full glory ! I won't attempt to do a "review" of his concert, especially since Buffalonian Joe McCabe arrived for the concert with Malcolm Weschler, and I'm sure that Malcolm will be providing you with a full rundown of the concert. I will insert a couple of thoughts that seem appropriate. A comment made by a music professional (D.Mus); "He (Felix) knows exactly where he wants to take the piece musically, and isn't afraid to take chances to get there ! The results are amazing." Another interesting comment overheard; " He communicates with the audience extremely well, even with his back to the audience. He plays with his entire body - he IS the instrument" All in all another wonderful experience ! and a magical evening! Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY
(back) Subject: H&H rebuilds of T.C. Lewis organs, From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 19:44:20 -0500 Dear List, Now that this thread has been started perhaps Ross Wards or others would like to give their comments on the Harrison rebuild of the T.C. Lewis instrument that stands in St. Pauls Cathedral Melbourne. HD
(back) Subject: Regarding the Funeral Procession... From: "Nick" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 17:57:52 -0700 I've been moderating for a while and someone mentioned that they were getting a new TV. Unless it is a home theatre TV, here is an excellent (and cheap!) way to get excellent sound from your TV - no matter how small = it is... At one time I used to have cable on my TV (can no longer afford it) and there was a lady (forgot her name - I suffer from a recent stroke) who played classical organ. My little 19" TV had two speakers (stereo), but they were useless in reproducing the full sound of the organ. I happened to be in a computer store one day and was purchasing a set of Altec computer speakers. This system is comprised of a sub-woofer and = four satellite speakers. Just for grins, prior to putting them on the computer, I plugged them into = my TV's earphone jack. My GOODNESS!!!! I immediately went out and purchased three more of these systems: 1 for the computer and 2 more for the other 2 TVs. FINALLY I could listen to her playing organ and get some idea of what it sounded like! One last item: I chose Altec for a number of reasons: 1) I've worked with the company professionally since 1964 2) They had the best warranty 3) Their woofer has the fastest transient response. "Slow" woofers = "ring" (e.g. the cone continues to move after the signal is gone, through = inertia) and tend to sound muddy. 4) They've been around for a long time and probably will continue to. 5) The tweeters were very crisp. If you want to hear organ and synthesizer music correctly, you need a system with good transient response! Give it a try - you'll wonder how you ever did without.
(back) Subject: E. Power Biggs Recital Recreated From: "David Scribner" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 20:02:06 -0600 Some months ago, Stephen Best was looking for E. Power Biggs Editions of certain pieces and explained that it was for a friend that was going to be doing a recreation of a recital that EPB had done many years ago. At the time several people asked for more information which wasn't available at that point. Next Saturday, April 13, Will Headlee, Professor Emeritus from Syracuse University will be performing a recreation of the Dedicatory recital played by E. Power Biggs back in 1960. It will take place at the Christian Science Society in Batesville, AR at 2:00 PM on their 2/19 Flentrop. Mr. Headlee has researched the performance practices of EPB and where possible has obtained editions by EPB for use next week. The recital is sponsored by the Central Arkansas Chapter of the AGO along with the cooperation of Lyon College Department of Music. The other events of the day will include a demonstration of the 1980 Holtkamp at the college, and lunch. The recital will be preceded by a talk by Allan L. Crouch who designed the Society's building and was responsible for the installation of the Flentrop. For more information please visit the Chapter's web site at: http://www.cacago.org and click on the line for this year's schedule. If anyone reading this is in close proximity to Batesville we would be glad to have you join us for this event. David -- ******************************************* David Scribner Editor - Central Arkansas Chapter Newsletter mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org
(back) Subject: No Felix, another organ From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:31:16 -0500 Doug invited me to go too, but I was unable to due to other obligations. However, Doug, I find your descriptions of the organ extremely interesting, as this organ I have started playing in Alfred seems awfully "aggressive" to me. Fits it nicely. Loud. I've spent a lot of effort learning how to bring it down and under my control. Actually, I think it's well designed for the space, a good sized church, if that space was filled with people. Sign on the wall of ours says it holds 250, but this place is bigger, should easily hold over 300 people, and they would soak up a lot of sound. It would be wonderful with 300 enthusiastic singers! Probably used to be years ago, when everybody in town belonged to this congregation. I did learn an interesting tidbit though, the organ was given to the community, the church maintains it and uses it, but they don't actually own it. In fact, I guess nobody is too sure who does. Amused, Diane
(back) Subject: New and looking for info on Franklin Legge From: "Steve Gilson" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:25:26 -0500 Hello all, I'm brand new to this list thing, so I hope I'm doing things right... I am seeking information/opus lists for the C. Franklin Legge organ = company. I am organist at St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church in St. Lambert, Quebec (suburb of Montreal), playing a 1931 Legge opus 99, 9 ranks, 24 stops, unified. The records about the instrument are sparse [what else is new = :-)]. I'm quite sure that it's a relocated instrument, but from where I don't know. I found some promising leads on the RA Denton site, but the email links are are not active... Anyway, if anyone knows where I can get any info, I'd appreciate it. Thanks a bunch, Steve Gilson Organist St. Adrew's Presbyterian firstname.lastname@example.org
(back) Subject: Re: MIRC From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:53:21 EST Dear Gary and new listers: There are several ways to get to pipechat and MIRC is only one of them. If you go to the Pipechat website you may find an alternative path that may work easier and better. Ron
(back) Subject: Re: H&H rebuilds of T.C. Lewis organs, From: "Roger Brown" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 15:00:04 +1000 On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 19:44:20 -0500, Hugh Drogemuller <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: >Now that this thread has been started perhaps Ross Wards or others would= =20 >like to give their comments on the Harrison rebuild of the T.C. Lewis=20 >instrument that stands in St. Pauls Cathedral Melbourne. I've only ever played this instrument once - prior to the rebuild. To the listener it sounds much the same (as would most fervently be desired) - the rebuild was on very conservative lines. Ensuring continued reliability and longevity were very much points at issue in the work done. The general opinion seems to be that the work was superbly done.=20 There was prior to the contract being awarded some feeling from local builders that the prospect of removing windchest components to the UK for reconditioning had its dangers in an instrument required to cope with a dry environment such as Melbourne. The jury will be out for some years yet on that aspect. Roger --=20 Roger Brown email@example.com http://rogerbrown.tripod.com
(back) Subject: Re: Mozart's Ave Verum From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:35:36 EST In a message dated 4/6/02 5:58:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: << Can anyone give me a reference to a good source about Mozart's Ave Verum? I'm needing it's historical background and so forth. It's for a conducting project and I just can't seem to find information on the net. = >> At the risk of sounding old-fashioned: have you checked out print = information?
(back) Subject: Re: HELL TAKES OVER BUFFALO! From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:35:37 -0500 Dear Lists, Felix's Buffalo recital was my birthday gift to myself, and it did indeed turn out to be a wonderful gift. I had to drive eight hours to retrieve it, and have just returned from the eight hour drive home, with a stop to visit a church along the way about an organ. I am going to New York after church tomorrow to hear Cameron Carpenter at St. Thomas's, so Monday, it seems, will be a serious writing day! I took copious notes at Felix's recital, and believe it or not, there are new things to say, all of them positive. I had not heard the SUNY Buffalo Fisk before. It is a truly wonderful instrument. Courtesy of Joe McCabe, who kindly put me up for the night, I got to see a very pleasant recent organ by Charles Kegg, the one with that (I thought very effective) three rank Diapason stop that has been discussed recently on one of the lists. Joe McCabe, by the way, is organizing the 2004 OHS Convention in Buffalo, which begins on July 13th of that year. He is already very deeply into the planning for the 40 or so venues and 40 recitals that will be part of this convention. I am really impressed with the energy and thought he is putting into this already at this early stage. Felix is playing tonight (Sunday night) in the Seminary Chapel at Gettysburgh. I know and like the Andover mechanical instrument there, and it is in a quite good acoustic. Perhaps some of you are close enough to hear him there. I don't know the time, and Hans and Felix were not quite sure either, other than that it is an evening recital, not an afternoon one. Perhaps someone who does know might post about it. I had best get started on this shortened night of sleep! Cheers, Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph M. McCabe" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: HELL TAKES OVER BUFFALO! > Dear friends and colleagues, > > It was truly both an honor and a pleasure to have the opportunity to hear, > live in person, the truly one of a kind Mr. Felix Hell. Don't think twice > about missing a recital by this quickly rising star! I'm still, some 24 > hours later, at a loss for words on how to begin to describe this weekend's > performance on the State University of New York at Buffalo's Slee Hall Fisk > Organ. Felix made this instrument produce sounds like no other! > > I've attended hundreds of organ recitals and conventions alike, but only a > few recitals have ever made me cling to the edge of my seat. This was one > of those times!!!! Felix has the unique ability to transform his energy > into an inexpressible musical experience, which left me with chills of joy > running through my body after each piece he played. > > I guarantee that if you find the opportunity to attend one of his energy > filled recitals, that you will not be disappointed. In fact, you will most > likely be as speechless and spell bound as I am still... > > I've never heard Bach's Prelude and Fugue in D Major or Liszt's Prelude and > Fugue on B-A-C-H played with such passion........simply amazing! BRAVO > MAESTRO HELL!!!!!!!!!! > > -joe > = =3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D= =3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D= =3D=3D > OHS Annual Convention - SHUFFLE OFF TO BUFFALO IN 2004 !!!!! > = =3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D= =3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D= =3D=3D