PipeChat Digest #2810 - Wednesday, April 17, 2002
 
RE: Changing Lanes
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
floor requirements
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: ebay Estey --- proposed stop changes?
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: floor requirements
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: floor requirements
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: ebay Estey --- proposed stop changes?
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Organist needed, Seattle Area
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Larry King vita
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: Larry King vita
  by "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com>
Re: Larry King vita
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Larry King...
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
New York
  by "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com>
console
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Roosevelt style pneumatic units
  by "Donald Pole" <pandk@ciaccess.com>
Re: ebay Estey --- proposed stop changes?
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: console
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: New York
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com>
Re: New York
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
PRAYSE CHORUSES vs. HYMNS (humor, PLEASE DELETE if not interested)
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
RE: console
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Changing Lanes From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 06:03:40 -0700 (PDT)   --- "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> wrote: > Is there more that you consulted on or did you just > recommend which church > they should stride by? And if the latter, why did > you choose St. Luke? > Well, the production companby selected the location, which for this scene was the exterior of the church and the entrance to the restaurant next door. They wanted the front doors open, and actors were walking in and out, simulating a heavy traffic day like Good Friday afternoon. They wanted the lights on, and supplemented them with extra lighting so that the chancel could be seen (VERY briefly). When they said it should look like Good Friday, I said, "Oops! Off with the Coronation Jacobean frontal, on with the Lenten stuff." They said, "Oh!"--a bit uncomprehendingly. And, as sacristan, I set it up right. I really doubt that moviegoers will see ANY of my fussy work.   Interiors and exteriors of Saint Luke's are in major films at least once or twice a year, and in minor ones even oftener. Our next appearance will be with Dan Rather interviewing an Italian priest about slavery in the Sudan; that probably won't air for three or four months.   No sacristan work on that one.   Alan   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: floor requirements From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:14:16 -0700   Hi pipe chatters,   We working on a Wurlitzer that is going into our local high school This is an unusually cooperative school. Maybe because my kids go there and my wife is the music teacher? Anyhow we have enthusiastic support from the superintendent on down to the building and grounds people. They all want to see it happen. This is a small town where enthusiasm is easy to fan.   We're hiring an architect/engineer to help design the pipe chambers   Fortunately the auditorium already has two open alcoves to the left and right of the stage - block walls. the intent is to put a floor in some 10 -12 ft above the ground floor and construct the front wall with shutter openings. Each space is funnel shaped facing out, about 10 ft wide in the rear, about 13 ft in the front and some 12 ft deep. The thing the engineer needs to know is the floor load requirement so we can design accordingly. The organ is mostly Wurlitzer with Wurli chest work. Current aim is III-12(13?) eventually expanding to about III-18. Any advice on this floorload, at this point, would be apppreciated.   thanks   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: ebay Estey --- proposed stop changes? From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:34:39 -0400   Rather than all of this long winded discussion about changing this organ, is anyone going to SAVE this organ ?     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:36:15 EDT Cremona502@cs.com writes: > In a message dated 4/16/02 11:40:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > LLWheels@aol.com writes: > > For example; the instrument has 8&4-foot diapasons on the GT and > with the > > coupler this becomes in effect 8,4,4,2 - a reasonable diapason > chorus with > > the predominant pitch the 4-foot, > > Well dang!!! I never thought of that. Makes perfect sense. > Thanky. > > Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, > Bohawow!" > "Snuffer -- The Lighthouse Beagle" is now in print > Visit Howling Acres: http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 > Earn BIG! Save BIG! Give away SUPER STORES online FREE! Saving and > earning > has never been easier! Get yours FREE TODAY! > www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg     ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.  
(back) Subject: Re: floor requirements From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:28:06 -0500   John Vanderlee wrote: > Hi pipe chatters, > We working on a Wurlitzer that is going into our local high school   <snip>   > We're hiring an architect/engineer to help design the pipe chambers   <snip>   Any advice on this floor load, at this point, would be > apppreciated.   We're going through the same thing right now for a project we're getting ready to put in.   We went with a load of 150# P.S.F., since the reality is that there are some concentrated loads where the windchest legs sit, a bunch of "goons" in the chambers all at once to hoist up the heavy stuff, etc. If you have the ability to weigh the organ, and then add in for the "fudge" factor, all the better.   Be sure to have the Architect and/or Structural Engineer sign off on the thing, so you don't have a liability problem.   Hope that's helpful.   Faithfully,   G.A.   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL  
(back) Subject: Re: floor requirements From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:23:49 EDT   Dear John:   My recommendation is to over build the flooring to contain twice the anticipated weight and distribute it evenly. Earth movements happen from time to time, and in CA we are very aware of it. Organ enthusiasts generally add new components as larger is better, or just one more stop. Well you know what I mean. :)   If you anticipate 5 tons make the floor able to support 10. Stability is very important. There should be some elasticity built into the design. Rigid things break with the dynamic of earth movement.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: ebay Estey --- proposed stop changes? From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 01:16:02 +0800 (CST)   We have respected individuals from from different e-mail venues on this list responding to my post ---- so, I guess we might say,     "Pipechat presents the pipechat Estey quartet!"     On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 LLWheels@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 4/16/02 4:11:56 AM Central Daylight Time, > flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw (Morton Belcher) writes: >> > > > Ahem.... If you were redoing this organ, what changes would you make = to > > try and improve it? > > > I have two reactions to your theoretical question; > > 1. Why does the stoplist need to change? Is there something wrong with = it the > way it is? Hundreds of similar instrument were produced by many = different > builders and purchased and enjoyed by as many congregations, who = saw/heard no > deficiency.   > (Yes, I'm playing devil's advocate here - I would find the stoplist = limiting > for my repertoire, but maybe the fault is with my repertoire.)     I also received at least one e-mail from a party who holds the point of view of "leave it alone..." I. E., there is no need to make any modifications...     Allow me to comment on my reactions to the organ stoplist after I received it.   SW Aeoline 8.   I have heard an Estey with this "third manual stop control arrangement" that had a SW Salicional 8 --- The organ was built, it seems, in 1907... To me, with the box closed, the Salicional was about as quiet as one could expect.. Even in a church with good acoustics, I was wondering whether the Aeoline could be heard at all. My home is behind a seminary whose first organ---a tracker--- was built in 1900 (it has since been redone by Fisk).... The Aeoline could hardly be heard beyond where the organist sat...   Thus I was wondering if the Aeoline was really of any use and whether it should be replaced or modified.... or should it be tuned as a Celeste rank...   With the present Swell BOurdon 16' coupled down to the Great, one could play up an octave and get more brilliance from the instrument if needed...   As one who has played small instruments for most of his life, I certainly am not against, for example, playing the SW Flute Harmonic 4' down an octave to get a pleasing tone... One of my teachers often played the Swell Clarion 4' on his organ down an octave as a solo stop, because the Swell Trompette 8' was simply too loud...     Ahem.... Please note that the Great does NOT have a Great Octave coupler... Thus I was wondering if a little more brightness might be in order... and thus I thought that the GT Dulciana might be replaced by a Fifteenth 2.'     If the Aeoline 8' when drawn will add some "color" to the Stopped Diapason 8' when drawn, so be it.... but when I played an Estey 7 rank organ some time ago, the Swell Salicional 8' didn't seem to add any color to the SW Stopped Diapason 8'... The SW Stopped Diapason "seemed" to overpower the Salicional 8... I was very happy though that the Salicional 8' could be played by itself without being grating on a human being's ears, unlike some modern day Salicionals....     And When I played an Estey 7 rank organ some time ago, unfortunately the GT Dulciana didn't seem to add any color to the GT Melodia... The Melodia seemed to overpower the Dulciana... It is said that on English organs that the GT Dulcianas are stronger than U. S. GT Dulcianas.... perhaps that is what was needed in the 7 rank organ that I played... Perhaps that is why a Gt Viola Da Gamba was included.... to add some color to the Melodia if one wanted it...     And yes, if any alterations were made I certainly wouldn't want the organ to become a pseudo baroque "screaming meemie" instrument..     SW BOurdon 16'   Would the Sw BOurdon 16' be used all that much? would it muddy up the organ? Is there any more useful rank that one might install?     I myself read with interest the following suggestions which people have been good enough to e-mail to me... (that doesn't mean I *agree* with all of them, though)...   GT Dulciana: change to a 2' Fifteenth   GT VIola Di Gamba:   could be moved to the Swell to replace either the reedless Oboe or the VIolin Diapason... A 1' and 1 1/3' two rank mixture could then be inserted in the Great if one desires...   SW Aeoline: change to a Principal 4 (or Prestant 4)   SW Oboe: replace the reedless Haskell Oboe a reed Oboe, e. g., from Trivo....   > > This leads to question 2. For what purpose is the organ to be used?   I would vision this organ to be used in a church.... in which case a bit more brightness might be in order, when one considers the fact that all too many churches are lacking in suitable acoustics...       On the other hand, one other individual said that this organ would make a nice residence organ, in which case one would not be so concerned with its lack of upperwork...       > I suspect the best choice is to let the instrument be primarily what it = was > designed to be, and then, if necessary, see if any compromises can be = made to > make it more suitable for current expectations of a small organ. Be very =   > careful, though. This instrument was designed to be played with octave > couplers, and the addition of higher-pitched ranks can play havoc with = the > balance if the octave couplers are engaged while using the new stops.       Please note there is only *one* octave coupler: The Swell to Great 4'....   > > For example; the instrument has 8&4-foot diapasons on the GT and with = the > coupler this becomes in effect 8,4,4,2 - a reasonable diapason chorus = with > the predominant pitch the 4-foot, considered by many to be the ideal for =   > hymn-singing. If you add a new two-foot this becomes 8,4,4,2,2,1 - = skewing > the pitch center to the higher-pitched stops 3 to 2 and places this > unbalanced structure upon an 8-foot stop which was never expected to = balance > a 2-foot pitch center. I suppose a skillful voicer can overcome these > effects, but to what end? In most cases, IMHO, the effect would not be > desirable. > > In short -- all of the changes you suggested are possible, but in the = end, I > can only ask WHY? > > > Larry Wheelock > Madison, Wisconsin       Many thanks to those who sent me their valued comments or who posted their comments to the list....     Best wishes to all...       Morton Belcher          
(back) Subject: Organist needed, Seattle Area From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:33:04 EDT   I am posting this for a friend: Calvin Presbyterian Church, Shorline WA. is immediate need of an organist = for two Sunday services and one choir rehearsal. Three manual Allen MDS 50 and = 9' Baldwin Grand. Music program is eclectic. Salary minimum $12,000 per year. =   Contact Music Director Paul Leaf 206 546 6461 or email = <PCLMUSIC@Yahoo.com> Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Larry King vita From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:44:32 -0400   Can someone supply his birth and death years, and the years of his tenure = at Trinity Wall Street?   Many thanks. I intend to play his 1978 'Fanfares to the Tongues of Fire' = on Pentecost.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Larry King vita From: "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:59:53 -0500   In part: dates per Henderson: 1932-1990.   Did Larry King ever interview Larry King?   When will David Hurd write "When David Heard"?   Bob Lind         Stan Yoder <vze2myh5@verizon.net> 04/17/2002 03:44 PM Please respond to PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org>@SMTP@cchntmsd cc: Subject: Larry King vita     Can someone supply his birth and death years, and the years of his tenure at Trinity Wall Street?     PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Larry King vita From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:09:55 -0400   Also, according to John Henderson, Larry was at Trinity from 1968 until his death. He was for quite a while assistant to Alec Wyton at St. John the Divine.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Larry King vita     > In part: > dates per Henderson: 1932-1990. > > Did Larry King ever interview Larry King? > > When will David Hurd write "When David > Heard"? > > Bob Lind        
(back) Subject: Larry King... From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:53:07 -0400   Stan Yoder's posting that he plans to play 'Fanfares to the Tongues of Fire' on Pentecost reminds me that Wilma Jensen's playing of this on Pipedreams a few years ago rates ,in my view, in the Pipedreams Top 10 . = At least that was during the period I was able to get the program from NPR = in Erie Pa.   HD    
(back) Subject: New York From: "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:26:33 -0400   To all fellow Pipe Chatters in the metropolitan New York area: (all = others please forgive this off-topic message):   My wife and I will be visiting New York from May 4 through May 10. We = will be staying in Greenwich Village, but of course, public transit is so great in New York that I don't expect we'll have any problem getting anywhere in Manhattan that we decide to go.   My query of you old-time New Yorkers: please send me any recommendations for small, independent, one-off restaurants you've enjoyed, ones that = won't necessarily break the bank. Recommendations for good places to shop for books and recordings (NOT the large chain stores, please) would also be appreciated. And, recommendations for organs that might be interesting to visit would also not be amiss.   Since responses to my queries are not likely to be of general interest, please reply privately.   Many thanks.    
(back) Subject: console From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:06:37 +1200   Too excited to hold it in - I have to tell you that my console is being delivered home here next Friday. I've been collecting organ bits for 30 years, and mostly selling them off when I've run out of money. However, = now I've retired things are finally beginning to move a bit. My console was a 2m&P of c25 knobs, now it is a 4m&P of virtually an unlimited number of knobs - 106 of them - so I can do any kind of massive extension or shoving around to my heart's content and, as it's a home organ, canons of good = taste and commonsense have no place! However, of the 42 ranks I have stacked away here, only my little Positive will be playing to begin with - Stinkens pipes made about 1978 on a = Laukhuff slider chest: 8 Gedackt (metal, zinc basses) 4 Rohrflote (plain metal, chimneyed TenC up) 2 Prinzipal (high-tin) 1 1/3 Gemsquint (TenG# up, plain metal) 1 Oktav (high tin)   As I restore bits and pieces of chests, and hopefully get some decent solidstate from somewhere, I'll be adding more ranks gradually.......   Anyway, just had to share the wild excitement about the console being finally completed. I think I've mentioned this achingly-long project = before, but music is in sight (earshot?) at last. Regards, Ross      
(back) Subject: Roosevelt style pneumatic units From: "Donald Pole" <pandk@ciaccess.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:41:35 -0400     We are looking for advice on the repair of Roosevlet style pneumatic pipe actions. The organ in question was moved from a Southern U.S. church to Ontario Canada. The organbuilder, now deceased, rebuilt the units by attaching the pallet to the motor with a disc of felt, allowing flexibililty for seating properly on the pipe hole. Alas, the felt is pressed felt and the pallets are leaving the motors, at a slow but steady rate.   The units in question are shown at this web site.   http://www.pandk.com/images.htm   The chests are ventil.   We are hoping that anyone familiar with this chest can tell us the = original method of attaching pallet to motor, so that we can advise the church on refurbishing.   Thanks for your help.   Don   Organ Website- http://www.pandk.com  
(back) Subject: Re: ebay Estey --- proposed stop changes? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:25:36 -0500   ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:59 PM Subject: Re: ebay Estey --- proposed stop changes?     > For instance, most Aeolines ARE just about useless by themselves in > today's noisy world; BUT, they add JUST enough color to those WONDERFUL > early 20th century Stopped Diapasons to make a new (and very useful) > sound.   Also, is there anything else you can use as an accompaniment for the = strings on other divisions? That is what they were originally intended for.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: console From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:16:14 EDT     --part1_25.26263325.29ef785e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Congratulations, Ross. Careful where you hit it with the champagne bottle!! ;-)     Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" "Snuffer -- The Lighthouse Beagle" is now in print Visit Howling Acres: http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 Earn BIG! Save BIG! Give away SUPER STORES online FREE! Saving and earning =   has never been easier! Get yours FREE TODAY! www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg   --part1_25.26263325.29ef785e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Congratulations, Ross.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Careful = where you hit it with the champagne bottle!!&nbsp; ;-)<BR> <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I><BR> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"<BR> <P ALIGN=3DCENTER>"Snuffer -- The Lighthouse Beagle"&nbsp; is now in = print<BR> <P ALIGN=3DLEFT>Visit Howling Acres:&nbsp;&nbsp;<I> = </I>http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502<BR> Earn BIG! Save BIG! Give away SUPER STORES online FREE! Saving and earning = has never been easier! Get yours FREE TODAY!<BR> www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg <B><BR> </B></P></P></FONT></HTML> --part1_25.26263325.29ef785e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New York From: "Alan Freed" <afreed3036@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:43:54 -0700 (PDT)   Well,"wrong" on "not of general interst," so replying publicly. Call me at Saint Luke's Church 212 246 3540, for both (reasonable) restairamts and (ridiculous) church recommenations.   Tell me you taste in orans, etc. The more I know about your tastes, the better I can steer you. Your preferences about northern or southern Italitan? French? Asian? They are all on West 46th Street, between 8th and 9th--as is Saint Luke's Church. And quite reasonable indeed.   For orgam music, go to Patelson's on 56th St., behind Carnegie Hall. See also bookshop at Juilliard School of Music. Ask also of Jonahan Hall of this list, more knowledgeable than my humble self.   I will steer you to organs as well; let me know what are your tastes.   Alan       --- "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> wrote: > To all fellow Pipe Chatters in the metropolitan New > York area: > > My wife and I will be visiting New York from May 4 > through May 10. We will > be staying in Greenwich Village, but of course, > public transit is so great > in New York that I don't expect we'll have any > problem getting anywhere in Manhattan that we decide to go. > > My query of you old-time New Yorkers: please send > me any recommendations > for small, independent, one-off restaurants you've > enjoyed, ones that won't > necessarily break the bank. Recommendations for > good places to shop for > books and recordings (NOT the large chain stores, > please) would also be > appreciated. And, recommendations for organs that > might be interesting to > visit would also not be amiss. > > Since responses to my queries are not likely to be > of general interest, > please reply privately.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: New York From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:56:34 EDT     --part1_9c.1e8bc5fd.29ef81d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi, Y'all!   I think this information would be of interest to many of us, so maybe = public responses would be good!   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea   --part1_9c.1e8bc5fd.29ef81d2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Hi, Y'all!<BR> <BR> I think this information would be of interest to many of us, so maybe = public responses would be good!<BR> <BR> Yours,<BR> <BR> Darryl by the Sea</FONT></HTML>   --part1_9c.1e8bc5fd.29ef81d2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: PRAYSE CHORUSES vs. HYMNS (humor, PLEASE DELETE if not interested) From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:13:25 EDT   (Since this topic has been broached several times on this list, I thought = the following may be interesting to some of the subscribers. If I am off-base = in posting this, please accept my apologies and let me know. Thanx. = Richard)   THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRAYSE CHORUSES and HYMNS   A man accustomed to a mainline church went to a seekers'service one = Sunday. He came home and his wife asked him how it was.   "Well," he said, "it was interesting. They did something different. They sang praise choruses instead of hymns."   "Praise choruses?" said his wife. "What are those?"   "Oh, they're okay, I guess. They're sort of like hymns, only different," said the man.   "What's the difference?" asked his wife.   He replied, "Well, it's like this. If I were to say to you, 'Martha, the =   cows are in the corn,' that would be a hymn. Suppose, on the other hand, I = were to say to you:   'Martha, Martha, Martha, Oh, Martha, MARTHA, MARTHA, the cows, the big cows, the brown cows, the black cows, the white cows, the black and white cows, the COWS, COWS, COWS are in the corn, are in the corn, are in the corn, are in the corn, the CORN, CORN, CORN.'   Then if I were to repeat the whole thing five or six times, that would be = a praise chorus."   As luck would have it, the same Sunday a young woman accustomed to = seekers' services attended a mainline service. She came home and her husband asked =   her how it was. "Well," she said, "it was interesting. They did something = different, however. They sang hymns instead of praise choruses."   "Hymns?" said her husband. "What are those?"   "Oh, they're okay, I guess. They're sort of like regular songs, only different." said the woman.   "What's the difference?" asked her husband.   She replied, "Well, it's like this. If I were to say to you, 'Ernest, the = cows are in the corn,' that would be a regular song. Suppose, on the = other hand, I were to say to you:   "Oh Ernest, dear Ernest, now hear thou my cry; Incline thine ear to the words of my mouth. Turn thou thy whole wondrous ear by and by To the righteous, inimitable, glorious truth.   For the way of the animals who can explain? There is in their heads no shadow of sense! Hearken they not in God's sun or his rain. Unless from the mild, tempting corn they are fenced.   Yea, those COWS in glad bovine, rebellious delight Broke free from their shackles, their warm pens eschewed. Then goaded by minions of darkness and night. They all my mild Chilliwack sweet corn have chewed.   So look to that bright shining day by and by, Where all the corruptions of earth are reborn, Where no vicious animal makes my soul cry, And I no longer see those foul cows in the corn."   Then, if I were to sing only verses one, three, and four, and if I were to = do a key change on the last verse, that would be a hymn. "   --Author Unknown (perhaps with reason)  
(back) Subject: RE: console From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 03:40:41 +0100   Hello,   I guess once that little Positive is playing it will be one of the = largest organs in New Zealand!! ;-)   Congratulations!   Colin Mitchell UK   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Ross Ward wrote:-     ....... of the 42 ranks I have stacked away here, only my little = Positive will be playing to begin with - Stinkens pipes made about 1978 on a = Laukhuff slider chest: 8 Gedackt (metal, zinc basses) 4 Rohrflote (plain metal, chimneyed TenC up) 2 Prinzipal (high-tin) 1 1/3 Gemsquint (TenG# up, plain metal) 1 Oktav (high tin)