PipeChat Digest #2816 - Sunday, April 21, 2002
 
Re: Pipes and Questions [X-Post]
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Music writing software
  by <Pepehomer@aol.com>
Re: Music writing software
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Michael Murray and Bach
  by "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Re: Michael Murray and Bach
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Organ Sounds
  by "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net>
Re: re: =A0Gathering of the List
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Andrew Henderson, St. Ignatius, NY - 3/13/02
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Music writing software
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: =A0Gathering of the List
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
IRC
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re:  Gathering of the List
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Michael Murray and Bach
  by "Marek Miskowicz" <miskow@uci.agh.edu.pl>
Re: Music writing software
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Pipes and Questions [X-Post] From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:36:48 EDT     --part1_143.d340af2.29f2f320_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/19/02 7:10:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, soulek@frontiernet.net writes: > http://members.truepath.com/bethelcms/news.html   Congrats on your project almost-completion. The up-side is that you = will learn so much from correcting these problems. Hopefully, you'll get some =   really good advice from the builders/technicians on the list.   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" "Snuffer -- The Lighthouse Beagle" is now in print Visit Howling Acres: http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 Earn BIG! Save BIG! Give away SUPER STORES online FREE! Saving and earning =   has never been easier! Get yours FREE TODAY! www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg   --part1_143.d340af2.29f2f320_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 4/19/02 7:10:38 PM Eastern = Daylight Time, soulek@frontiernet.net writes: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">http://members.truepath.com/bethelcms/news.html</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> Congrats on your project almost-completion.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The up-side = is that you will learn so much from correcting these problems.&nbsp;&nbsp; = Hopefully, you'll get some really good advice from the = builders/technicians on the list.<BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I><BR> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"<BR> <P ALIGN=3DCENTER>"Snuffer -- The Lighthouse Beagle"&nbsp; is now in = print<BR> <P ALIGN=3DLEFT>Visit Howling Acres:&nbsp;&nbsp;<I> = </I>http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502<BR> Earn BIG! Save BIG! Give away SUPER STORES online FREE! Saving and earning = has never been easier! Get yours FREE TODAY!<BR> www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg <B><BR> </B></P></P></FONT></HTML> --part1_143.d340af2.29f2f320_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Music writing software From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:30:04 -0400   Sorry to bring this up again because I know it has been done before, but = previously I didn't have enough money to purchase a high quality music = writing program. Now I have saved up a little and am wondering what you = all suggest - Finale, Sibeluis, etc. What software is more user-friendly, = etc.   I also write music for marching percussion, so which programs use sound = fonts the easiest? Thanks!   Justin Karch Organist Holy Trinity LCMS Rome, GA  
(back) Subject: Re: Music writing software From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:49:16 -0500   >Sorry to bring this up again because I know it has been done before, >but previously I didn't have enough money to purchase a high quality >music writing program. Now I have saved up a little and am >wondering what you all suggest - Finale, Sibeluis, etc. What >software is more user-friendly, etc.   Justin   There are all sorts of discounts for Sibelius including one for members of the AGO. Check the page at: http://www.sibeliusinamerica.com/discounts.htm for a listing of them. Although, it is still somewhat expensive it is cheaper than full price.   David  
(back) Subject: Michael Murray and Bach From: "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:07:43 -0300   Dear Sr.   Mr. Michael Murray wrote the book "French Masters of the Organ", (1999)   and "Marcel Dupr=E9, The Work of a Master Organist", (1985). There, he wrote "The theory that clavier technique is the foundation on which organ technique ought to be built probably originated with Bach, who disciplined his pupils at the harpsichord before permitting them to approach the organ. (1985:35) and "Bach himself, we are told, held clavier technique to be an indispensable aid to manual technique: Bach disciplined his pupils at the harpsichord before allowing them to approach the organ".   But he don't write where he reads this. Can you help me?   Regards, Domitila Ballesteros      
(back) Subject: Re: Michael Murray and Bach From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:23:05 -0500   You will find this subject treated in a lot more detail and with the sources given in Michael Murray's book, "Albert Schweitzer, Musician" (Scolar Press,1994).   John Speller   Domitila Ballesteros wrote:   > Mr. Michael Murray wrote the book "French Masters of the Organ", (1999) > > and "Marcel Dupr=E9, The Work of a Master Organist", (1985). There, he > wrote > "The theory that clavier technique is the foundation on which organ > technique ought to be built probably originated with Bach, who > disciplined his pupils at the harpsichord before permitting them to > approach the organ. (1985:35) and "Bach himself, we are told, held > clavier technique to be an indispensable aid to manual technique: Bach > disciplined his pupils at the harpsichord before allowing them to > approach the organ".  
(back) Subject: Organ Sounds From: "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:07:02 -0500   If anyone would like to hear what the organ sounds like, I have a short sound clip of the pipe/electronic organ combination. This sound comes from a cheap video camera, which was then translated into digital audio. So it's definitely not the best quality sound (or the best quality playing), but it will at least give you an idea of what I've done. The selection is "Thy Strong Word", one verse played with the Principal Chorus in the Great and Pedal, with Principals sounding at the 8 and 4 foot pitches. At the end of the selection, you can hear what the organ sounds like without the pipes operating. It's a big difference in sound. I really didn't know the organ sounded as good as it does until I listened to this tape today. I have always been right by the pipes to hear all of the imperfections and things, so this was a welcome surprise. Anyhow, take a look, let me know what you think. http://www.angelfire.com/mn/organlcms/THYSTRON.mp3   Unless you're incredibly smart and remember everything, here are a few notes on the organ: -1985 (or so) Rodgers 650a with 2 manuals and pedal, 35 stops, and one 73 note rank of Principals starting at 4' -I built the chest and designed the layout of the pipes. What I started with were raw materials, so my I designed, built, and wired everything (with help from my dad on the wiring). -The sound is taken from the middle of the sanctuary at my church, which seats around 225. The church was built in 1901 and has virtually no reverb at all, with people in the room it is absolutely dead.   Enjoy! (or try to anyway) Paul  
(back) Subject: Re: re: =A0Gathering of the List From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:14:59 -0400   Philadelphia. I think someone was referring to the New York convention a = few years ago.   I'm confused. Are you all planning to get together in New York, or in Philadelphia? I wasn't clear as to which location it would be. If it's Philadelphia, I'll definitely come, as I'm only 2 hours down the road. = New York is a bit more problematical, as a day trip would be impossible, and I don't know that I'll have time to make an overnighter of it.    
(back) Subject: Re: Andrew Henderson, St. Ignatius, NY - 3/13/02 From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:20:31 -0400   Schuetz, whose astonishing Musikalische Exequien we heard in the 8 p.m. concert   we heard the Collegium Vocale Gent do this in Boston a few months ago and = it was extraordinary, both the music and the performance.   Merry  
(back) Subject: Re: Music writing software From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:14:08 -0700   I tried to learn Finale twice, and gave up both times; I took Sibelius out of the box and was typesetting everything I need to typeset at a reasonable speed in the course of a week's time.   But that was several years ago.   I understand the learning curve of more recent versions of Finale has gone WAY flat, mostly on account of market pressure from Sibelius (grin).   OTOH, the reviews of Sibelius 2.0 all say "golly! gee! whiz! bang!" (grin) .... I have it, but I haven't started using it yet ... it's a MAJOR = upgrade from 1.4, and I have too much work to turn out to stop and read the book right now. Also, most of the Sibelius users on my music download list have 1.4, and 2.0 isn't backward-compatible ... they can't read files on 1.4 that I create in 2.0.   I have heard it said that Finale is more for engravers, while Sibelius is more for composers.   The ONE comment I HAVE heard most consistantly is that Sibelius handles TEXT UNDERLAY much more easily than Finale. A friend of mine, a DEDICATED Finale user, has watched me working in Sibelius and said, "Gee! I wish *I* could do that" when I put in my texts.   Also, Sibelius will read and convert Finale files, but not the other way around (as far as I know).   I haven't found anything that Sibelius WON'T do ... YET (grin).   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: =A0Gathering of the List From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:21:09 EDT   It's Philadelphia. Logistics yet to be worked out. Stay posted.  
(back) Subject: IRC From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:29:51 -0700   I'm awake; I'm on.   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Gathering of the List From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 22:07:39 -0500   Although your list owner and administrators will not be in Philadelphia for the AGO Convention I do hope that whoever from the list is there will have some sort of get together so that you can meet each other. It is great fun to finally meet in person the folks have you have "talked to" on the list. We will however be in Chicago fro the OHS Convention and will try to arrange some sort of gathering during that convention.   In order to save a lot of unnecessary postings that might bore the other members of the list that aren't attending either convention I have an address set-up for people going to the conventions to send me a note. Once I have compiled a list of attendees I will post it shortly before each of the conventions so you can be on the look-out for each other. The address is: mailto:convention@blackiris.com - please specify which convention you are attending so i can put you on the proper list. PLEASE use this special address and not a reply to the list to advise me that you are attending.   Thanks   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Michael Murray and Bach From: "Marek Miskowicz" <miskow@uci.agh.edu.pl> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 08:12:18 +0200 (CEST)       On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Domitila Ballesteros wrote:   > Dear Sr. > > Mr. Michael Murray wrote the book "French Masters of the Organ", (1999) > > and "Marcel Dupr=E9, The Work of a Master Organist", (1985). There, he > wrote > "The theory that clavier technique is the foundation on which organ > technique ought to be built probably originated with Bach, who > disciplined his pupils at the harpsichord before permitting them to > approach the organ. (1985:35) and "Bach himself, we are told, held > clavier technique to be an indispensable aid to manual technique: Bach > disciplined his pupils at the harpsichord before allowing them to > approach the organ". > > But he don't write where he reads this. > Can you help me? > > Regards, > Domitila Ballesteros       I think it is descended from Bach's pupils environment (maybe from Carl Philiph Emmanuel). However to the point of organ technique historical development I strongly recommend books:   1. Sandra Soderlund - Organ Technique: An Historical Approach, Hinshaw Music HMO140C, see: http://www.hinshawmusic.com/products/organ.html   2. Ritchie, George; Stauffer, George - Organ Technique: Modern and Early, Englewood Cliffs: Prentice Hall, 1992, xv, 382p. -- Oxford University Press, 2000. xv, 382p. ISBN 0-19-513745-0   and an article:   Stauffer, George B. - J. S. Bach as Organ Pedagogue, [fs]Saunders (1994), pp. 25-44, (in: Snyder, Kerala J.: The Organist as Scholar: Essays in Memory of Russell Saunders. [fs]Saunders (1994), xiii, 297p.)   Regards,   Marek Miskowicz Cracow, Poland    
(back) Subject: Re: Music writing software From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 03:42:27 -0500       Bud wrote:   > I tried to learn Finale twice, and gave up both times; I took Sibelius = out > of the box and was typesetting everything I need to typeset at a > reasonable speed in the course of a week's time.   which just happens to have been my experience with Finale, which I started using with Finale 2000. Hal Leonard, in the U.S., has adopted Sibelius; = on the other Hand, Schott, Durand, Henle, and Universal Edition (Vienna) have adopted Finale.   > Also, Sibelius will read and convert Finale files, but not the other way > around (as far as I know).   While this basically coincides with my understanding, I also understand = that the ability to read and write Finale files has deteriorated recently.   > I haven't found anything that Sibelius WON'T do ... YET (grin).   Well, it doesn't seem to handle "branched" stems,....     This past week, there was a "head to head" live demonstration in Boston, = but I've not yet heard any reports of the outcome....   (cf: <http://www.harmony-central.com/cgi-bin/show-event.pl?id=3D7395&date=3D7313= 20>)   One other thing that Finale seems to provide, that Sibelius doesn't (at = least as far as I can tell) is the ability to purchase only the amout of sophistication you need. Finale Notepad is free (if you download it), and = if you find this too limited for your needs, there are two more sophisticated (and more costly) steps: "Printmusic", and "Allegro" which provide = increased capability without having to go to the extreme.   I do understand that Finale handles percussion "better" than Sibelius, but = I have not used or explored these capabilities, and cannot confirm this.   There are email lists for Finale (two for finale: one at <http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/finale-l.htm>, one at = <finale@yahoogroups.com>), and I am sure there are similar lists for Sibelius users. In addition, if = you explore the Coda website (www.codamusic.com), you can make your way to the technical support section, and view the online help forums operated there.   ns