PipeChat Digest #3101 - Saturday, August 31, 2002
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #3100 - 08/31/02
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3100 - 08/31/02
  by "Paul Austin" <paulaustin1@btopenworld.com>
All Read!! - VIRUS Problems [WAS:  Re: Hell-concerts@t-online.de]
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Archives updated
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Web Site updates and Links
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Wooden pipes
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@optonline.net>
RE: OHS Chicago 2002 - 6/29 Posting #6
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@optonline.net>
RE: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems
  by "Josh & Amy Edwards" <fbcorganist@charter.net>
Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
OOHPS!
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: OHS Chicago 2002 - 6/29 Posting #6
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems
  by "Karl Keller" <kkeller1@stny.rr.com>
Re: OOHPS!
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
RE: Archives updated
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3100 - 08/31/02 From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:18:26 +0000   Dear List, One has to be careful sometimes with American and English usage = differences. "knocked up" is one example. I was somewhat perplexed by the giggles which =   my request for a rubber made when I was directing an American choir for a performance at London's Royal Albert Hall. I believe I should have said eraser. John Foss     www.johnfoss.gr     _________________________________________________________________ Join the world=92s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3100 - 08/31/02 From: "Paul Austin" <paulaustin1@btopenworld.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:03:00 -0700     I think you are very sensible John. Requesting a 'rubber' when you a planning to get 'knocked up' is what I was taught in my final year at high school. Keep it up!!   Paul.       > Dear List, > One has to be careful sometimes with American and English usage differences. > "knocked up" is one example. I was somewhat perplexed by the giggles = which > my request for a rubber made when I was directing an American choir for = a > performance at London's Royal Albert Hall. I believe I should have said > eraser. > John Foss > > > www.johnfoss.gr > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems [WAS: Re: Hell-concerts@t-online.de] From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:15:37 -0500   At 9:40 AM -0700 08/31/2002, Paul Austin wrote: >I recieved an email this morning from the address: ><mailto:Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>Hell-Concerts@t-online.de > >This email was sent to my personal address, not via pipechat and >contained two attachments. I know the pipechat list does not >generate attachments. Are they safe to open??? > >Paul.   Paul   I would trash those files unless you can get a confirmation from the Hells that they were sent to you specifically. NEVER open a file sent to you UNLESS you KNOW that it was SPECIFICALLY sent to you. If you get a file from someone that you haven't had correspondence with you previously you can almost be sure that it is a virus that was sent.   I am doing this as an Administrator's ALL READ since EVERYONE on the list needs to be aware of the virus problems that are going around. There are several fairly new viruses that infect machines and send itself out based on addresses in that machines address book and/or based on addresses in the machines mailbox(s). Informing the "supposed" sender doesn't really help since it isn't their machine that is the one infected. We, the Administrators, get several copies of viruses that are either sent to us or are "bounced" and are from either one of the lists running here or are from one of the addresses on the list server. These bounces often include mail supposedly sent from the "requests" account, which is an automated account that ONLY can send out "prepared" responses to list requests sent to it. I KNOW that account is unable to send anything else like a virus so those are sent from some computer that has the requests@pipechat address somewhere in the email program on that computer.   I STRONGLY urge EVERYONE that uses the Internet to buy and install one of the various Anti-Virus programs available. And once it is installed to keep it up-to-date with new virus definitions that are made available all the time. You have spent good money to buy yourself a computer so a few more dollars to protect it is a small investment.   It is also part of being a responsible list member that you run an Anti-Virus program to not only protect yourself but also to protect the other members of the list. Lists such as this one don't cost you anything so spending a few dollars to protect yourself and the other list members is a small price to pay to belong to any of these lists.   I am in the process of updating the PipeChat web site and will try to include links to the security response pages of several of the major developers of Anti-Virus software somewhere on one of the links pages.   PLEASE, PLEASE, spend a few minutes to check out your machine and PLEASE do yourself a favor and get yourself a good Anti-Virus program for your computer. Everyone on the list will thank you.   Not back to Happy PipeChatting and safe computing!   David   -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Archives updated From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:21:02 -0500   Over the last week I have finally had some time to spend working on the Archives section of the PipeChat web site <http://www.pipechat.org> The Archives section is now updated through Digest #3100 which was sent out this morning. Hopefully, in the future I will be able to keep the Archives updated on a more regular basis.   Unfortunately, right now there isn't any way of searching the archives but that should come with the new upgrade of the web server software while is supposed to be released next month. The search facility in the current server software "barfs" trying to do searches on the Archives since there are so many of them.   Do check them out.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Web Site updates and Links From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:30:23 -0500   I know i am sending out a whole bunch of messages this morning but these are part of testing of the list. The list was moved to a new computer this morning, one that is more powerful and will be able to run the new upgrade of the list server software which is being released in the next few days.   The Web Site hasn't been really updated in a long time but I am going to work on it this weekend. If you have a personal site that you would like to have listed on the Member's Page please email me the information at the Administration account <mailto:admin@pipechat.org> by Tomorrow (Sunday) night.   I am also looking for links to Web Site that might be of interest to the members of this list, such as links to various other organ sites, choral sites, reference libraries, free sheet music sites, etc. Again email those links to the Administration address NOT to the list.   Thanks   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:43:39 -0400   Dear List,   I have received several letters with attachments that looked suspicious, = but in each case, Norton flagged them as carrying the Klez virus. A few days ago, I received two letters with attachments, and as they came in with several others, I was too slow to notice which one was flagged as having a virus. One was from someone I did not know, but was subject headed "Pipe Organ." The other was from someone I do know, Bill Porter at New England Conservatory at the NEC Address. BUT, the letter did not somehow sound = like Bill. "Hi. I have just created my first computer game, and I want you to = be the very first to try it!" I wrote both people explaining that I did not want to open their attachments without reassurance because Norton had reacted to them, and asking them to resend if they were real, as I had deleted both attachments. The first one turned out to be legit, yea, even someone inquiring about a possible Pipe Organ. Bill Porter explained that the address used for his letter was an old one he had not used for quite a few months, and the message certainly was not from him, although Mr. Klez had abviously used his computer. So there it is. Do heed David's advice = and get Norton or another of the Anti-Virus programs. It can save you a lot of misery.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:15 AM Subject: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems [WAS: Re: Hell-concerts@t-online.de]     > At 9:40 AM -0700 08/31/2002, Paul Austin wrote: > >I recieved an email this morning from the address: > ><mailto:Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>Hell-Concerts@t-online.de > > > >This email was sent to my personal address, not via pipechat and > >contained two attachments. I know the pipechat list does not > >generate attachments. Are they safe to open??? > > > >Paul. > > Paul > > I would trash those files unless you can get a confirmation from the > Hells that they were sent to you specifically. NEVER open a file > sent to you UNLESS you KNOW that it was SPECIFICALLY sent to you. If > you get a file from someone that you haven't had correspondence with > you previously you can almost be sure that it is a virus that was > sent. >        
(back) Subject: Re: Wooden pipes From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:10:27 EDT     --part1_8a.1d9fb830.2aa21a43_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/30/2002 7:11:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk writes:     > Metal pipes I understand perfectly and I have voiced a few in my time. > However, I am completely mystified as to how a voicer "adjusts" a wooden =   > pipe without destroying it. Presumably, once voiced, it is more or less > irreversible short of using resins to fill nicks etc. >   Different builders have a few fine point spins, but basically, once the cut-up is on ( often during the construction of the pipes) the face, the = only control the voicer has is the width of the flue (that is, the depth of opening between the cap and the languid) and the amount (or lack of) the nicking (spacing and depth) plus the application of rollers on the larger pipes to keep them from barking on the start of speech. and the other variable is the exact positioning of the cap (height in relation to the languid) to more finely direct the wind-sheet.   Rick in VA   --part1_8a.1d9fb830.2aa21a43_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/30/2002 7:11:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Metal pipes I = understand perfectly and I have voiced a few in my time. However, I am = completely mystified as to how a voicer "adjusts" a wooden pipe without = destroying it. Presumably, once voiced, it is more or less irreversible = short of using resins to fill nicks etc. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Different builders have a few fine point spins, but basically, once = the cut-up is on ( often during the construction of the pipes) the face, = the only control the voicer has is the width of the flue (that is, the = depth of opening between the cap and the languid) and the amount (or lack = of) the nicking (spacing and depth) plus the application of rollers on the = larger pipes to keep them from barking on the start of speech. and the = other variable is the exact positioning of the cap (height in relation to = the languid) to more finely direct the wind-sheet. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8a.1d9fb830.2aa21a43_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:33:57 -0400   Dear Malcolm & Co.....   Yes, Malcolm, you are right, it was a virus attached to the e-mail you received. A new variant of the klez virus apparently allows it to "spoof" e-mail addresses thereby making it even harder to determine exactly where = it started, where it came from and where it's going.   David's advice is paramount, everyone needs to install anti-virus software = and keep it up to date.   Marika   Malcolm Wechsler wrote:   > Dear List, > > I have received several letters with attachments that looked suspicious, = but > in each case, Norton flagged them as carrying the Klez virus. A few days > ago, I received two letters with attachments, and as they came in with > several others, I was too slow to notice which one was flagged as having = a > virus. One was from someone I did not know, but was subject headed "Pipe > Organ." The other was from someone I do know, Bill Porter at New England > Conservatory at the NEC Address. BUT, the letter did not somehow sound = like > Bill. "Hi. I have just created my first computer game, and I want you to = be > the very first to try it!" I wrote both people explaining that I did not > want to open their attachments without reassurance because Norton had > reacted to them, and asking them to resend if they were real, as I had > deleted both attachments. The first one turned out to be legit, yea, = even > someone inquiring about a possible Pipe Organ. Bill Porter explained = that > the address used for his letter was an old one he had not used for quite = a > few months, and the message certainly was not from him, although Mr. = Klez > had abviously used his computer. So there it is. Do heed David's advice = and > get Norton or another of the Anti-Virus programs. It can save you a lot = of > misery. > > Cheers, > > Malcolm Wechsler > www.mander-organs.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:15 AM > Subject: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems [WAS: Re: = Hell-concerts@t-online.de] > > > At 9:40 AM -0700 08/31/2002, Paul Austin wrote: > > >I recieved an email this morning from the address: > > ><mailto:Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>Hell-Concerts@t-online.de > > > > > >This email was sent to my personal address, not via pipechat and > > >contained two attachments. I know the pipechat list does not > > >generate attachments. Are they safe to open??? > > > > > >Paul. > > > > Paul > > > > I would trash those files unless you can get a confirmation from the > > Hells that they were sent to you specifically. NEVER open a file > > sent to you UNLESS you KNOW that it was SPECIFICALLY sent to you. If > > you get a file from someone that you haven't had correspondence with > > you previously you can almost be sure that it is a virus that was > > sent. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- Jungian Type: INTJ      
(back) Subject: RE: OHS Chicago 2002 - 6/29 Posting #6 From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:04:18 -0500   Dearest Stan, thanks for your concern. However, let me assure you I have been neither "knocked up with tea" nor "broke over a table", both which sound highly unromantic and fraught with possibilities of injuries - burns, splinters, back trauma, etc., not to mention damage to the organ (as in pipe, not human) itself. The latter phrase is probably of red-neck origin.   I've only let one guy, who happens to be on this list, call me "honey" and live to regret it. I've not even utilized an organ bench for other than its intended use. And as for rubbers and organs, we're not going there.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com (who used to have nightmares after each organ tuning or maintenance about men impaled on organ pipes - a personal injury ambulance-chasing lawyer's dream)            
(back) Subject: Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:21:14 -0500   At 9:33 AM -0400 08/31/2002, Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS wrote: > A new variant of the klez virus apparently allows it to "spoof" >e-mail addresses thereby making it even harder to determine exactly where = it >started, where it came from and where it's going.   Since sending that posting this morning I received a "bounced" email that was supposedly from the Admin account. In looking at the headers I could see that the mail server listed for sending it isn't the pipechat server and that IP address was no where near the addresses of the servers here. As far as i can determine, the sending computer is somewhere on the bellsouth network and is one of the DSL addresses.   These versions of the Klez virus have their own built-in mail servers for sending the virus out so it really hard to trace whose computer is the one that is sending the virus.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:18:19 EDT   I have been told that Mac computers are "immune" to Klez Viruses. Does anybody know FOR A FACT if this is true, or if it is not? If it is not = true, then what does one do?  
(back) Subject: Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:30:15 -0400   At 11:18 AM 8/31/02 -0400, Tuba Magna wrote: >I have been told that Mac computers are "immune" to Klez Viruses. Does >anybody know FOR A FACT if this is true, or if it is not? If it is not = true, >then what does one do?   This is NOT true! The fact that Mac computers get fewer virus than PC is simply because Mac users are only about 5% of the total users, thereby receiving less attention from the virus makers!   You can install Norton Anti Virus, - there is a Norton Anti Virus version 8.0 available for Macs.   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:50:41 -0400   Most viruses are written to infect Microsoft Internet Explorer and Outlook = and are written to active within these programs. If you use Netscape, you = avoid 90% of the problems associated with these viruses and since Netscape is = written as a cross-platform program, it can be installed on any computer.   Marika   Bob Conway wrote:   > At 11:18 AM 8/31/02 -0400, Tuba Magna wrote: > >I have been told that Mac computers are "immune" to Klez Viruses. Does > >anybody know FOR A FACT if this is true, or if it is not? If it is not = true, > >then what does one do? > > This is NOT true! The fact that Mac computers get fewer virus than PC = is > simply because Mac users are only about 5% of the total users, thereby > receiving less attention from the virus makers! > > You can install Norton Anti Virus, - there is a Norton Anti Virus = version > 8.0 available for Macs. > > Bob Conway > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- Jungian Type: INTJ      
(back) Subject: RE: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems From: "Josh & Amy Edwards" <fbcorganist@charter.net> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:03:48 -0400   Actually,   According to the Symantec website, the Klez virus only infects Windows-based systems. It said that systems that the Klez virus does NOT affect: Mac, Unix and Linux   Josh from TN     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of TubaMagna@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:18 AM To: admin@pipechat.org; pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems     I have been told that Mac computers are "immune" to Klez Viruses. Does anybody know FOR A FACT if this is true, or if it is not? If it is not true, then what does one do?   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:14:54 -0500   >At 11:18 AM 8/31/02 -0400, Tuba Magna wrote: >>I have been told that Mac computers are "immune" to Klez Viruses. Does >>anybody know FOR A FACT if this is true, or if it is not? If it is not = true, >>then what does one do? > >This is NOT true! The fact that Mac computers get fewer virus than >PC is simply because Mac users are only about 5% of the total users, >thereby receiving less attention from the virus makers! > >You can install Norton Anti Virus, - there is a Norton Anti Virus >version 8.0 available for Macs.   Actually, it is true - the KLEZ Virus is a PC program - it doesn't infect a MAC except for those of that run Windows on our MACS! <G> Any yes, it is possible to run Windows on a MAC via VirtualPC. Actually, in order to get infected you would have to be running a Windows email program via Virtual PC which I doubt most MAC users would be doing anyway.   If you are running one of the older versions of the MAC operating system - Version 9.x and down, your chances of being infected by a virus are very slight since none of those operating systems have the gaping loop-holes that can be exploited like the loop-holes that exist in the various versions of Windows. But even so, you should be running Anti-Virus protection since there are a few viruses around that can attack those machines.   If you are running MAC OS X then that is a different story. OS X is actually UNIX and therefore can be exploited by many of the UNIX viruses that are around. But here again, the KLEZ virus can't infect you since it is a PC program. But, here again, you should be running an Anti-Virus program and if you are using OS X you should have firewalls in place, those firewalls are part of the system software but need to be configured.   All of the servers here are MACs except for the IRC server which is running on an NT box. But that will be moved over to one of the new MACS that I have been installing. All of the server software that I use has been released for MAC OS X and I will be changing over to those programs shortly. Right now, I am letting others use them to work out the "bugs" before I move these servers to the new versions <G>   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: OOHPS! From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:38:18 -0400   OOHPS!   I must bow to the superior knowledge of those who tell me that Macs are = not likely to become infected by the Kluz virus.   However, - I still think that in the unlikely event of my having to use a Mac computer, I would make sure that I had the Mac version of Norton AV installed!   I am retired from teaching at the University, but still assist students = and their friends in trying to remove and reduce virus infections, - and as = the University provides Norton AV for them as a free service, I always advise students to install it.   However, the point is that sooner or later any computer that is connected to the Internet, will become infected by some virus or another, - so why not try to prevent it?   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Chicago 2002 - 6/29 Posting #6 From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:46:33 -0400   This all brings to mind what thew English also refer to page turning as, "Turning Over". Posted with out comment   Cheers,   Mack       Glenda wrote:   > Dearest Stan, thanks for your concern. However, let me assure you I > have been neither "knocked up with tea" nor "broke over a table", both > which sound highly unromantic and fraught with possibilities of injuries > - burns, splinters, back trauma, etc.,      
(back) Subject: Re: All Read!! - VIRUS Problems From: "Karl Keller" <kkeller1@stny.rr.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:56:28 -0400   Running a computer without a GOOD virus program installed could be compared to driving from New York to SanFrancisco without a spare tire.   About one year ago I recommended the NORTON SYSTEM to a friend. He bought the program but never installed it. Just a few weeks ago he lost his HD to a virus sent him via e-mail. Guess it's "live and learn".   Regards to all,   Karl Keller Sayre, PA    
(back) Subject: Re: OOHPS! From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:13:42 -0500   On 8/31/02 11:38 AM, Bob Conway wrote:   > However, - I still think that in the unlikely event of my having to use = a > Mac computer, I would make sure that I had the Mac version of Norton AV > installed!   Hi Bob,   As a very long-term Mac user, I couldn't agree more. While there are only = a few nasty Mac viruses around, less than a hundred vs I understand around 50,000 which attack Intel platforms, it is very disagreeable to have your machine infected. Norton AV is great, I've used it for years. Apple agrees wholeheartedly on the need for protection by the way and offers anti-virus protection as part of their .Mac on-line package. Nobody's computer is completely safe!   Best wishes, Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: RE: Archives updated From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:51:07 +0100     Hello,   I think we must all owe a debt of gratitude to anyone who can find the = time, patience and dedication to go to so much trouble.   Perhaps a simple, "Than you" is in order.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   Our Administrator wrote:   Over the last week I have finally had some time to spend working on=20 the Archives section of the PipeChat web site=20   David Scribner