PipeChat Digest #3001 - Saturday, August 3, 2002
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by <l2nn@juno.com>
Cost of new pipe organs
  by "Carol Scott" <dclscott@skyenet.net>
RE: "The other place"
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Politically Correct!
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Congratulations  . . .
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Cost of new pipe organs
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: PIPORG-L list
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
RE: Politically Correct!
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: Jeff's question about cost
  by "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: <l2nn@juno.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:19:30 -0700   New electronic organs are being quoted and bought at churches which cannot afford a new pipe organ. I don't think Bach would have turned down a 4 manual Renaissance Allen. I know most organists look down on digitals but I think they are the wave of the future.   Lynn Finegan San Francisco Bay area   On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:00:01 -0500 "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> writes: > PipeChat Digest #3000 - Saturday, August 3, 2002 > > Jeff's question about cost > by <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Jeff's question about cost > From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 21:53:15 -0700 > > > > Jeff White wrote: > > > > > It seems to me that the entire business ... organ-playing, > pipe-organ > > > building ... is teetering on the brink of extinction. > > > > I disagree, and I think a trend reversal may be on its way. > Unfortunately, > > it may take a decade or two. > > > > > There were LESS than ONE HUNDRED new pipe organs reported in > the > > > journals last year. > > > > Could this possibly be because of cost? I'm really wondering, > thinking on > > this statement. The church I played for left 3 ranks prepared > because of > > the new building and funds growing short. This was in 1986. > Today, I > > wonder how many parishes can afford it. I know, I know, if it's to > be done, > > there's a way, but....sometimes practicality opts for other things > other > > than the organ, which is seen more as a luxury. How sad! > > > > Jeff > > > > Adjusted for inflation, the cost of pipe organs has actually risen > very > little, if any, since the 1950s. > > These are rough figures from memory, so they may be slightly off. > > In the 1950s, when Aeolian-Skinner reigned as the "house" builder > for > the Episcopal church, a rank of A-S pipes cost as much as a Buick > automobile ... $1500-$2000. > > The average-size 3m Aeolian-Skinner cost as much as a large three > or > four bedroom house ... $45K-$60K. > > In 2002, a rank of pipes runs anywhere from $10K t0 $30K, depending > on > the rank and the builder; an organ of the same size as the one > above > (approx. 30 ranks) can cost anywhere from $300K to $900K. > > $10K won't buy you much of a car today; Orange County CA is an > expensive > area, but $300K is the average cost of a three-bedroom house. > > If anything, the price of pipe organs has gone DOWN slightly because > the > big houses with their factories and large overheads are mostly gone > ... > the ones who have survived have scaled back accordingly. > > Values and priorities have to be taken into account as well ... in > my > own parish, which is not poor, SOME of the people (who live in > multi-million-dollar homes) go into cardiac ARREST at the IDEA of > spending $300K-$500K for a pipe organ for their CHURCH. > > A broken-down 30-year-old electronic sounds just FINE to them, > except > when it quits in the middle of Mass. Someone actually suggested we > buy > ANOTHER 30-year-old electronic of the same model so we'd have a > ready > supply of PARTS. > > Fortunately, the preliminary design contract for the pipe organ is > signed. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > End of PipeChat Digest > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Cost of new pipe organs From: "Carol Scott" <dclscott@skyenet.net> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 06:29:51 -0400   "Bud" wrote: "In 2002, a rank of pipes runs anywhere from $10K t0 $30K, depending on the rank and the builder; an organ of the same size as the one above (approx. 30 ranks) can cost anywhere from $300K to $900K."   Thanks! My church is planning to rebuild the sanctuary within the next few years, and it had just occured to me that I should have figures like this in mind, just in case, though I think they're unlikely to opt for pipes. The comparison to the cost of a car or house is great, too.   Carol Scott        
(back) Subject: RE: "The other place" From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:10:55 +0100   Hello,   The "free speech" issue (we are less strong on Civil Liberties in the = UK....we just TAKE liberties) is an interesting one.=20   Free Speech raises issues; alway uncomfortable to those who prefer the = sanctity of religion or isolation in the Ivory Towers of academia.=20 Of course, what really gets in the way of such things is the expression = of humanity....be it anger, resentment, love, compassion, enthusiasm etc = etc.   In the "other place" , they have rules and guidelines....their = perogative of course.   Enter the imaginary arena of "the other place" a certain Mr J S Bach of = Germany.   The man breaks the rules immediately, by daring to suggest that the = music he writes is "to the Glory of God".....absolute tosh!   He then dares to write organ music based on Lutheran Hymns......an = imposter!   He is able to write Fugues, but the man is so old fashioned and he knows = nothing about the fashionable academics who prefer a more modern = style..... he is old hat!   The academics really don't want the old fool on their books, so they = reject his academic offerings.......not politically correct and = musically a dinosaur.   Apart from anything else, the man is sex mad.....22 children. On the = positive side, he is at least "normal".   The man writes lewd Cantatas and even mentions the word Coffee! .....an = outrage to normal, decent people.   He was caught brawling outside St.Thomas's, Leipzig....a man of ill = repute if ever there was one.   The man never stops quoting scripture and constantly uses scriptural = text even in his organ music....a disgrace!   Herr Bach even dares to challenge the authority of the = nobility....outrageous!   The man is unreliable; having broken his contract and wandered off to = Luneberg for months without permission.....we would complain but for the = fact that he is a church employee, so that doesn't count.   He allows women to sing in church.....a clear breach of the rules!   He has the audacity to use French and Italian themes, forms and musical = styles........clearly a man prone to strange political leanings.   Quite clearly, this man should be banished from the list because he is = far too human. He is a threat, an imposter and highly dangerous. Herr = Bach should not be allowed to post anything for fear that he may corrupt = others.   It all sounds so depressingly familiar.....academics who wish to reduce = humanity to that which is in-human and surreal.   Give me an academic with a heart and a bad temper, and I will show you a = genius.....the rest are just intellectual light-weights who will never = leave anything to posterity. I think I would have like Mr Bach!   o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-   When I was banished from posting "in the other place"....I had merely = insulted (Gone ape, in fact!) someone who is regarded as an authority. = The fact that this world authority:-   a) He had got his facts wrong b) Totally misinterpreted a factoid because he didn't KNOW it in the = first place, but tore into my "ignorance" regardless c) Flamed me "big style" and contrary to rules d) Then admitted guilt by apologising   It counted for nothing.....in fact, there was a considerable breach of = the rules by those who made them up in the first place.....and I thought = that it was the English who specialised in being hypocritical.   If there is one thing Americans can never understand, it is the way that = English people can tear into each other and still remain on good terms!   Actually, the whole saga was like water off a duck's back to me.....I = remain quite unrepentent and I have never apologised for my remarks = because, on this particular issue, I was quite correct and didn't start = the flames.   If I get some things wrong, I get something wrong....no big deal = compared to famine, love and war.   If I tell humourous and even "saucy" stories (on topic I may add)....it = amuses some and upsets others.   I refrain from talking about "me" or about "that particular subject" = which is close to my heart and affections.   ABOVE ALL, I AM A WARM HEARTED, REAL HUMAN BEING.   I just thank God that I am not a mere academic.....at least, when I = play, people wake up and take note when I have the chance to practise. = It's the difference between musical sound and musical passion....perhaps = the difference between "pipechat" and "the other place".   Pipechat is about REAL people....thanks for being just that, warts and = all.   In my experience, the brightest and best always have more than a hint of = madness in their characters. =20   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK (Politically incorrect and proud of it!)     PS: Never forget that Gesualdo murdered his wife!    
(back) Subject: Politically Correct! From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 07:44:37 -0400   Colin Mitchell said, (among other things),   PS: Never forget that Gesualdo murdered his wife!   Yes, Colin, he did, - but he had good reason, - he found her in bed with another guy!   That guy was "politically incorrect", - if not stupid!   However, it is not know whether or not he was an organist! Possibly he = was pracising!   From a fellow Brit , exiled, but still a Brit!   Cheers,   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Congratulations . . . From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 11:00:21 -0400   It's almost like we're related, or something. Steve Lawson was our = organist for just about ten years, until c. 1996. I still call him a good friend, and occasionally hear/see him at the Church of the Heavenly Rest--though most of our communication, rare as it is, is by e-mail.   Alan   On 8/2/02 9:18 PM, "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> wrote:   > To two dear friends and former listmates at PIPORG-L (I do not know if > they are also on this list) for having their likenesses found in this > month's issue of The American Organist. Both Stephen Roberts and Steve > Lawson, along with photos, can be found in the chapter news.    
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of new pipe organs From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 10:16:56 -0500   I'd like to rebuff the cost of new pipe organs....sorry folks, but our instruments run between $7,000 to $10,000 per STOP...not rank. Much depends on the whole project scope, and if used pipe work suitable for the job is available. Companies charging fees quoted usually have high over head, and many "mouths to feed". We are not a large firm, our building is paid for many times over, we are in the midwest (low cost of living), and have been in business since 1953...with out advertising.   my 2 cents.     jon bertschinger tonal director Temple Organs Saint joseph, Mo (north Kansas City area)  
(back) Subject: Re: PIPORG-L list From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 16:31:53 +0000   Noel Stoutenberg said, on being dropped from PIPORG-L list "the same thing =   happened to me; I promptly resubscribed." DK replied almost immediately to =   my query, saying that due to the size of the list it meant he had to wipe = in the region of 70 emails a day from his inbox when this happened. Fair enough! I have been having trouble with Internet Explorer and will resubscribe when I am fairly certain it is fixed. John Foss http://www.geocities.com/harfo32/JohnFossathome.html   _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com    
(back) Subject: RE: Politically Correct! From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:18:47 +0100   Hello,   I'm not quite sure whether I should be a victim of homicide or a mass = murderer!   Is "talking it through" an option?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   -----Original Message----- From: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> on behalf of "Bob = Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Subject: Politically Correct!       PS: Never forget that Gesualdo murdered his wife!   Yes, Colin, he did, - but he had good reason, - he found her in bed with =   another guy!    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:48:47 -0500     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C23AEC.1C2B7C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Please please please let Lynn's message pass without comment!!!!   ----- Original Message ----- From: l2nn@juno.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 4:22 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02   New electronic organs are being quoted and bought at churches which cannot afford a new pipe organ. I don't think Bach would have turned down a 4 manual Renaissance Allen. I know most organists look down on digitals but I think they are the wave of the future.   Lynn Finegan San Francisco Bay area   On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:00:01 -0500 "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> writes: > PipeChat Digest #3000 - Saturday, August 3, 2002 > > Jeff's question about cost > by <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Jeff's question about cost > From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 21:53:15 -0700 > > > > Jeff White wrote: > > > > > It seems to me that the entire business ... organ-playing, > pipe-organ > > > building ... is teetering on the brink of extinction. > > > > I disagree, and I think a trend reversal may be on its way. > Unfortunately, > > it may take a decade or two. > > > > > There were LESS than ONE HUNDRED new pipe organs reported in > the > > > journals last year. > > > > Could this possibly be because of cost? I'm really wondering, > thinking on > > this statement. The church I played for left 3 ranks prepared > because of > > the new building and funds growing short. This was in 1986. > Today, I > > wonder how many parishes can afford it. I know, I know, if it's to > be done, > > there's a way, but....sometimes practicality opts for other things > other > > than the organ, which is seen more as a luxury. How sad! > > > > Jeff > > > > Adjusted for inflation, the cost of pipe organs has actually risen > very > little, if any, since the 1950s. > > These are rough figures from memory, so they may be slightly off. > > In the 1950s, when Aeolian-Skinner reigned as the "house" builder > for > the Episcopal church, a rank of A-S pipes cost as much as a Buick > automobile ... $1500-$2000. > > The average-size 3m Aeolian-Skinner cost as much as a large three > or > four bedroom house ... $45K-$60K. > > In 2002, a rank of pipes runs anywhere from $10K t0 $30K, depending > on > the rank and the builder; an organ of the same size as the one > above > (approx. 30 ranks) can cost anywhere from $300K to $900K. > > $10K won't buy you much of a car today; Orange County CA is an > expensive > area, but $300K is the average cost of a three-bedroom house. > > If anything, the price of pipe organs has gone DOWN slightly because > the > big houses with their factories and large overheads are mostly gone > ... > the ones who have survived have scaled back accordingly. > > Values and priorities have to be taken into account as well ... in > my > own parish, which is not poor, SOME of the people (who live in > multi-million-dollar homes) go into cardiac ARREST at the IDEA of > spending $300K-$500K for a pipe organ for their CHURCH. > > A broken-down 30-year-old electronic sounds just FINE to them, > except > when it quits in the middle of Mass. Someone actually suggested we > buy > ANOTHER 30-year-old electronic of the same model so we'd have a > ready > supply of PARTS. > > Fortunately, the preliminary design contract for the pipe organ is > signed. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > End of PipeChat Digest > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C23AEC.1C2B7C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Please please = =3D please&nbsp; let Lynn's message pass without comment!!!!</DIV> = <DIV>&nbsp=3D ;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; = MARGI=3D N-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV = sty=3D le=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV = style=3D3D"=3D BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> = l2nn@ju=3D no.com</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, = Augus=3D t 03, 2002 4:22 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> = pipec=3D hat@pipechat.org</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> = Re=3D : PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>New electronic = =3D organs are being quoted and bought at churches which<BR>cannot afford a = n=3D ew pipe organ.&nbsp; I don't think Bach would have turned<BR>down a 4 = man=3D ual Renaissance Allen.&nbsp; I know most organists look down = on<BR>digita=3D ls but I think they are the wave of the future.<BR><BR>Lynn = Finegan<BR>Sa=3D n Francisco Bay area<BR><BR>On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:00:01 -0500 "PipeChat" = =3D &lt;pipechat@pipechat.org&gt;<BR>writes:<BR>&gt; PipeChat Digest #3000 - = =3D Saturday, August 3, 2002<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jeff's question = abo=3D ut = cost<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=3D p; by &lt;quilisma@socal.rr.com&gt;<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; = -----------=3D -----------------------------------------------------------<BR>&gt; = <BR>&=3D gt; Subject: Jeff's question about cost<BR>&gt; From: = &lt;quilisma@socal.=3D rr.com&gt;<BR>&gt; Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 21:53:15 -0700<BR>&gt; = <BR>&gt;=3D <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Jeff White wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; It = s=3D eems to me that the entire business ... organ-playing, <BR>&gt; = pipe-orga=3D n<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; building ... is teetering on the brink of = extinction.=3D <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; I disagree, and I think a trend reversal may = =3D be on its way.&nbsp; <BR>&gt; Unfortunately,<BR>&gt; &gt; it may take a = d=3D ecade or two.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; There were LESS than ONE = HU=3D NDRED new pipe organs reported in <BR>&gt; the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; = journals=3D last year.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Could this possibly be because of = =3D cost?&nbsp; I'm really wondering, <BR>&gt; thinking on<BR>&gt; &gt; this = =3D statement.&nbsp; The church I played for left 3 ranks prepared <BR>&gt; = b=3D ecause of<BR>&gt; &gt; the new building and funds growing short.&nbsp; = Th=3D is was in 1986.&nbsp; <BR>&gt; Today, I<BR>&gt; &gt; wonder how many = pari=3D shes can afford it. I know, I know, if it's to <BR>&gt; be done,<BR>&gt; = =3D &gt; there's a way, but....sometimes practicality opts for other things = <=3D BR>&gt; other<BR>&gt; &gt; than the organ, which is seen more as a = luxury=3D ..&nbsp; How sad!<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Jeff<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; = <B=3D R>&gt; Adjusted for inflation, the cost of pipe organs has actually = risen=3D <BR>&gt; very<BR>&gt; little, if any, since the 1950s. <BR>&gt; = <BR>&gt;=3D These are rough figures from memory, so they may be slightly = off.<BR>&gt=3D ; <BR>&gt; In the 1950s, when Aeolian-Skinner reigned as the "house" = buil=3D der <BR>&gt; for<BR>&gt; the Episcopal church, a rank of A-S pipes cost = a=3D s much as a Buick<BR>&gt; automobile ... $1500-$2000. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; = T=3D he average-size 3m Aeolian-Skinner cost as much as a large three = <BR>&gt;=3D or<BR>&gt; four bedroom house ... $45K-$60K.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; In 2002, = a=3D rank of pipes runs anywhere from $10K t0 $30K, depending <BR>&gt; = on<BR>=3D &gt; the rank and the builder; an organ of the same size as the one = <BR>&=3D gt; above<BR>&gt; (approx. 30 ranks) can cost anywhere from $300K to $900=3D K.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; $10K won't buy you much of a car today; Orange = County=3D CA is an <BR>&gt; expensive<BR>&gt; area, but $300K is the average cost = =3D of a three-bedroom house.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; If anything, the price of = pipe=3D organs has gone DOWN slightly because <BR>&gt; the<BR>&gt; big houses = wi=3D th their factories and large overheads are mostly gone <BR>&gt; = ...<BR>&g=3D t; the ones who have survived have scaled back accordingly.<BR>&gt; = <BR>&=3D gt; Values and priorities have to be taken into account as well ... in = <B=3D R>&gt; my<BR>&gt; own parish, which is not poor, SOME of the people (who = =3D live in<BR>&gt; multi-million-dollar homes) go into cardiac ARREST at = the=3D IDEA of<BR>&gt; spending $300K-$500K for a pipe organ for their CHURCH. = =3D <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; A broken-down 30-year-old electronic sounds just FINE = t=3D o them, <BR>&gt; except<BR>&gt; when it quits in the middle of Mass. = Some=3D one actually suggested we <BR>&gt; buy<BR>&gt; ANOTHER 30-year-old = electr=3D onic of the same model so we'd have a <BR>&gt; ready<BR>&gt; supply of = PA=3D RTS.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Fortunately, the preliminary design contract for = th=3D e pipe organ is<BR>&gt; signed.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Cheers,<BR>&gt; = <BR>&gt;=3D Bud<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; = ------------------------------------------=3D ----------------------------<BR>&gt; End of PipeChat Digest<BR>&gt; = <BR>&=3D gt; "Pipe Up and Be Heard!"<BR>&gt; PipeChat:&nbsp; A&nbsp; discussion = Li=3D st for pipe/digital organs &amp; related <BR>&gt; topics<BR>&gt; = HOMEPAGE=3D : http://www.pipechat.org<BR>&gt; List: = mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR>=3D &gt; Administration:&nbsp; mailto:admin@pipechat.org<BR>&gt; = Subscribe/Un=3D subscribe:&nbsp; mailto:requests@pipechat.org<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; = <BR><BR>"P=3D ipe Up and Be Heard!"<BR>PipeChat:&nbsp; A&nbsp; discussion List for = pipe=3D /digital organs &amp; related topics<BR>HOMEPAGE : = http://www.pipechat.or=3D g<BR>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR>Administration:&nbsp; = mailto:a=3D dmin@pipechat.org<BR>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:&nbsp; = mailto:requests@pipecha=3D t.org<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C23AEC.1C2B7C60--  
(back) Subject: Re: Jeff's question about cost From: "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:28:52 -0700   In 2002, a rank of pipes runs anywhere from $10K t0 $30K, depending on the rank and the builder; an organ of the same size as the one above (approx. 30 ranks) can cost anywhere from $300K to $900K.   $10K won't buy you much of a car today; Orange County CA is an expensive area, but $300K is the average cost of a three-bedroom house. ----------------------   Well, 10K may not be much of a car, but 300K will buy a heck of a house in most markets. In Phoenix, which is notoriously expensive, 300K will buy = TWO three bedroom houses.   D