PipeChat Digest #3006 - Sunday, August 4, 2002
 
OHS Picture Gallery
  by "TRAVIS EVANS" <tevansmo@prodigy.net>
Re: OHS Picture Gallery
  by <PEsch8@aol.com>
Re: the cost of a pipe organ (long)
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Cost of new pipe organs
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: Cost of new pipe organs
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
Re: Cost of new pipe organs
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Criminal intent
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Criminal intent
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Criminal intent
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
In defense of PIPORG-L (was re Margo)
  by "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com>
Re: the cost of a pipe organ (long)
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Cost of used instruments
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: In defense of PIPORG-L (was re Margo)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: the cost of a pipe organ (long)
  by "Mark Koontz" <markkoontz@yahoo.com>
Re: the cost of a pipe organ (long)
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: OHS Picture Gallery From: "TRAVIS EVANS" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:32:22 -0700 (PDT)   --0-2056376133-1028460742=3D:31831 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     I forgot to inlude the link for the galleries.   photos.yahoo.com/tevansmo@prodigy.net   Travis   --0-2056376133-1028460742=3D:31831 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>I forgot to inlude the link for the galleries.</P> <P><A = href=3D"mailto:photos.yahoo.com/tevansmo@prodigy.net">photos.yahoo.com/teva= nsmo@prodigy.net</A></P> <P>Travis</P> --0-2056376133-1028460742=3D:31831--  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Picture Gallery From: <PEsch8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:42:15 EDT     --part1_164.11bbd3b7.2a7e7b27_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Thank you so much for sharing these with me. Paul   --part1_164.11bbd3b7.2a7e7b27_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman Baltic" LANG=3D"0">Thank you so = much for sharing these with me.&nbsp; <BR> Paul</FONT></HTML>   --part1_164.11bbd3b7.2a7e7b27_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: the cost of a pipe organ (long) From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:09:49 -0700     ----- Original Message ----- From: <RonSeverin@aol.com>   > The Seattle Willis of three manuals and 30 or so ranks was on the cusp = of > of being too soft for it's new venue, 9,000 miles from it's original = home. > The acoustics weren't very alive either. I'm sure tens perhaps hundreds > of thousands were spent to preserve it. I find that commendable, but > perhaps an all new organ would have filled the bill much better voiced = and > scaled for the building. But we were told time and time again this was > a "CHEAP" way to get into a pipe organ, but obviously far from practical > "TRUTH"!   I have a problem with this example. I've only heard the Seattle Willis = once, but I played its predecessor, a 3m Wangerin of about the same size, for a few years, and the Willis is a huge improvement. And the acoustics at St. Joseph are wonderful -- a smaller version of Grace Cathedral with that = same live, warm sound. Concrete may not be the most visually attractive = building material, but it makes for a glorious sound.   Michael Fox      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:48:12 EDT     --part1_bb.23fe6e70.2a7ea6bc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Why the debate? We all know a pipe organ is the King of Instruments and = is superior to any digital. In fact, they are different instruments. = However, some churches just will not invest in a pipe organ, as is the church where = I am now, so I play what is there. It is adequate for most of the = repertoire I use at the church, but it is not a pipe organ, nor does it sound like a = pipe organ. After seeing the Mander at St. Ignatius in New York, and hearing Malcolm demonstrate the various registrations, and hearing Jonathan's concert, there is definitely no question or debate. But, what do I know? = Lee     --part1_bb.23fe6e70.2a7ea6bc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Why the debate? = &nbsp;We all know a pipe organ is the King of Instruments and is superior = to any digital. In fact, they are different instruments. &nbsp;However, = some churches just will not invest in a pipe organ, as is the church where = I am now, so I play what is there. &nbsp;It is adequate for most of the = repertoire I use at the church, but it is not a pipe organ, nor does it = sound like a pipe organ. &nbsp;&nbsp;After seeing the Mander at St. = Ignatius in New York, and hearing Malcolm demonstrate the various = registrations, &nbsp;and hearing Jonathan's concert, there is definitely = no question or debate. &nbsp;But, what do I know? &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bb.23fe6e70.2a7ea6bc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:51:01 EDT     --part1_a6.2a1d33f8.2a7ea765_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I agree with Ray and Jeff. They are different instruments, so why the debate? Lee   --part1_a6.2a1d33f8.2a7ea765_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I agree with Ray and = Jeff. &nbsp;They are different instruments, so why the debate? = &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a6.2a1d33f8.2a7ea765_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of new pipe organs From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:04:21 -0500     I won't bother re quoting what John Panning had to say about my comments about Gucci...etc. But, I'm well aware that there are hackers in the guise of organ builders. Just earlier this spring we replaced a console of such, and the builder is a member of AIO as well.   What I am saying is, that congregations need to be aware that there are smaller builders of equal reputation, that CAN and DO fine organs for less money that the big guyz with the "name".   Last fall we completed an organ where we were selected out of 12 other builders...including some big names. Then end result was an instrument that's been described by those that use is as "exciting, nimble, clear and singing, completely different from others...etc.".   As to companies going under...Aeolean-Skinner was always looking for the next job to carry them through. We did a job for a church in Norfolk, Va who's very instrument was in the A.S. shops when they closed. The church had the foresite to go and get their instrument themselves...not waiting for a judge to decide its fate.   Several years ago, we lost a job to another "name builder"...only to win the new organ the second time around. And the "name builder" bought his old instrument back from us, for the price he had charged the church. Some friends and associates suggested that he didn't want others to see what a terrible mess it was. The loudest and most offensive stop on the organ was the Swell 4' Harmonic Flute. Other stops you couldn't hear for the roar of the blower and other mechanical noise.   There will be many "builders" that will come and go...large and small. But builders with good business sense that are not willing to pander to commercial trends in the industry will prevail and survive for a long time.   my comments.   jon bertschinger  
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of new pipe organs From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:09:38 -0500   interesting approach from Douglas Campbell...do you have any creative financial ideas for the purchase of a new Harley? I'm going thru my midlife crisis...I need something fast and loud. <G>   every one try to stay cool this afternoon....another scortcher here.   Jon  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 14:16:50 -0400   Let's call the Digitals "Orgettes" and end the debate. Stan   Chicaleee@aol.com wrote: > > I agree with Ray and Jeff. They are different instruments, so why the > debate? Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of new pipe organs From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 14:48:24 -0400   John, It's a different CD and the fakeness of the organ sound is something that pipe organ aficionados should not have inflicted on them. My point is that these organs with all of the 'flim flam' technology ain't 'there' yet.   Stan   BTW a 'Bombarde en Croute' is a delicacy in France.   A buying hint, they're available at a deep discount at K-Mart next to all of the Martha Stewart stuff.   I hope that that the 70 emails weren't from your Employer, John?   all in fun, are we having fun yet? :) :) :)     John Foss wrote: > > Stan et al. > I don't know if the CD you received was the same as the one I recently > received, but probably not. (I promised myself I would not get involved = yet > again in another pipe v digital contest, which has been totally = overdone, > roasted, toasted and burnt to death in the past couple of months - but I > cannot sit here without replying!) Phoenix organs sent me a CD played by > Stephen Hamill on a 4 manual temporarily installed in an Irish Church. = The > playing was excelent and the sound most impressive, though a bit on the > English Cathedral type of tone - I prefer a French reed chorus, though I = am > sure this would be available on demand. On my Viscount I have now got = the > MIDI working and this gives me at least another 200 sounds - including > Trompettes en Chamade, Trompettes au gratin, 32' Bombarde en croute, = silent > bagpipes etc. - so I do not doubt that these could be built into a > proprietary electronic > instrument. There is room for both - and give me a good pipe organ = anyday - > but let's leave this topic for another year or two can't we? My mail box = was > overloaded overnight! 70 new emails! > John Foss    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:00:32 EDT     --part1_8c.1c185fa9.2a7eeff0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Stan, that could cause a whole different thread and maybe 70 more emails = in the morning. But I like the thought. Lee   --part1_8c.1c185fa9.2a7eeff0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Stan, that could cause = a whole different thread and maybe 70 more emails in the morning. = &nbsp;But I like the thought. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8c.1c185fa9.2a7eeff0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Criminal intent From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:09:02 EDT   Hello to all,   My fondness for breakfast cereal has resulted in my wife referring to me = as a cereal killer on occasion. Today I wonder if I have a new title to go = with that dubious one.   A panic phone call last night resulted in my playing for an early morning Catholic worship. Now it has been more than fifteen years since my last = RCA service and I requested a prompter which was dutifully provided. The = problem was that the fellow assigned was a follower, not a leader. This resulted = in a less than desirable performance and occasional quite noticeable faux = pas' as I followed his instructions, which were usually ill-timed and often = quite wrong.   Does this now mean that I am also a Mass Murderer?   Questioningly, Jim Pitts        
(back) Subject: Re: Criminal intent From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:08:51 -0400   you did the church a favor...you woke everyone up!!   Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote:   > Hello to all, > > My fondness for breakfast cereal has resulted in my wife referring to me = as a > cereal killer on occasion. Today I wonder if I have a new title to go = with > that dubious one. > > A panic phone call last night resulted in my playing for an early = morning > Catholic worship. Now it has been more than fifteen years since my last = RCA > service and I requested a prompter which was dutifully provided. The = problem > was that the fellow assigned was a follower, not a leader. This = resulted in > a less than desirable performance and occasional quite noticeable faux = pas' > as I followed his instructions, which were usually ill-timed and often = quite > wrong. > > Does this now mean that I am also a Mass Murderer? > > Questioningly, > Jim Pitts > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:45:56 +1200   Someone used the word "electroid" the other day on the List. I hadn't = heard that one before, but it's a wonderful expression. Obviously a makeover = from the word "android" - something that looks fairly human, and sounds fairly human, and can act fairly human, but just isn't and never can be.     >Let's call the Digitals "Orgettes" and end the debate. >Stan      
(back) Subject: Re: Criminal intent From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:26:37 EDT     --part1_11c.14dfed48.2a7ef60d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Jim, I can identify. I was once called on at the last minute to play for = a wedding at a Greek Orthodox Church. Knowing nothing of the order of = service, I asked for written instructions. The Priest quipped, "Are you a heathen --uh, Gentile?" At that point I mentioned they probably needed to get someone else, as I had just been called to substitute for the substitute. =   But, as it was 1 hour before the wedding, I was given written = instructions, in the form of an outline which made no sense to me. So, does that make = me a heathen and a wedding murderer? Lee PS It is the only wedding in all of = my years of playing where I did not receive pay, and I really did as the = bride wished.   --part1_11c.14dfed48.2a7ef60d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jim, I can identify. = &nbsp;I was once called on at the last minute to play for a wedding at a = Greek Orthodox Church. &nbsp;Knowing nothing of the order of service, I = asked for written instructions. &nbsp;The Priest quipped, "Are you a = heathen --uh, Gentile?" &nbsp;At that point I mentioned they probably = needed to get someone else, as I had just been called to substitute for = the substitute. &nbsp;But, as it was 1 hour before the wedding, I was = given written instructions, in the form of an outline which made no sense = to me. &nbsp;So, does that make me a heathen and a wedding murderer? = &nbsp;Lee &nbsp;PS &nbsp;It is the only wedding in all of my years of = playing where I did not receive pay, and I really did as the bride wished. = &nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_11c.14dfed48.2a7ef60d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: In defense of PIPORG-L (was re Margo) From: "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:43:42 -0700 (PDT)   Bud wrote, in part, regarding his experience on PIPORG-L:     >Asking that question prompted a PUBLIC statement from Ben Chi that I needed an "attitude adjustment", and the withdrawal of posting privileges   <SNIP>     ---I have spoken up before, and been taken flak for doing it, against the practice of one-sided quoting in a different forum. It is a practice I personally find cowardly and dysfunctional.   So here I go again. Fling wide the barn door and let the buffalo chips fall where they may. Here's the whole story, in fairness to Ben.   Ben Chi did indeed use the phrase "attitude adjustment" regarding Bud, but he said it in a private posting to the other PIPORG-L owner, Dave Kelzenberg, as they deliberated what to do with Bud for his flagrant, egregious violations of PIPORG's policy and his very public disdain for the same.   Ben's comment was sent ACCIDENTALLY to the whole list and BEN APOLOGIZED FOR THE COMMENT AND THE ACCIDENTAL POSTING THEREOF. He then restated list policy in civil terms, with no ad hominem commentary WHATSOEVER.   It was a mistake and Ben made amends for it. What more do you want, Bud? Actually, I think you owe Ben a public apology both for your behavior on that list, and for your latest misrepresentations.   For all their human frailty, Ben and Dave have facilitated one of the most important and dynamic modern aspects of our profession--internet discussion. This list and several others have followed their lead and have enriched our lives. If you have something to say to them, just say it to them.         >arrogance and high-handedness is NOT reserved to the Rev'd Clergy.   Kindest regards,   Raymond H. "Bud" Clark, BMus         --For once I am in total agreement with you! <grin>   Regards to you too,   Jonathan B. "JB" Hall, DMus, MA, FAGO    
(back) Subject: Re: the cost of a pipe organ (long) From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:50:53 -0400   No flames here, Bud. I understand what you went through, but I am trying = to piece together the many factors, and there seem to have been a great = many chefs trying to work in a kitchen that had not been built.   Builders get frustrated when they see somebody on a chatlist talk = incessantly about their organ project, then call them up with an intact = 3-manual Roosevelt, 2-manual Skinner, or set-up-and-playing, 14-rank = tracker for 14,000, only to find out that there really WAS no organ = project, and it was all in the organist's mind. The organs go to the = dumpster, evetually.   As far as one lister's comments about a builder "foisting" an = "inappropriate" organ on a congregation, that is almost always the work of = the organist. An organist who insists on an unenclosed, coarse = Netherlandish style of organ with no 8'line for their Anglican parish is = showing both selfishness and ignorance. Educated organbuilders know a = great deal about historicism and stylistic appropriateness, sometimes more = than clergy and musicians.   Sebastian  
(back) Subject: Cost of used instruments From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:56:06 -0400   Compare the cost of a great antique violin to the cost of a great antique = pipe organ.  
(back) Subject: Re: In defense of PIPORG-L (was re Margo) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 14:59:56 -0700       "Jonathan B. Hall" wrote: > > > <SNIP> > > ---I have spoken up before, and been taken flak for doing it, against > the practice of one-sided quoting in a different forum. It is a > practice I personally find cowardly and dysfunctional.   I would be happy to repeat those remarks on PIPORG-L ...   WERE I ALLOWED TO DO SO. I AM *NOT*. I AM NEITHER COWARDLY NOR DYSFUNCTIONAL. THANK YOU.   > > So here I go again. Fling wide the barn door and let the buffalo chips > fall where they may. Here's the whole story, in fairness to Ben. > > Ben Chi did indeed use the phrase "attitude adjustment" regarding Bud, > but he said it in a private posting to the other PIPORG-L owner, Dave > Kelzenberg, as they deliberated what to do with Bud for his flagrant, > egregious violations of PIPORG's policy and his very public disdain for > the same. > > Ben's comment was sent ACCIDENTALLY to the whole list and BEN > APOLOGIZED FOR THE COMMENT AND THE ACCIDENTAL POSTING THEREOF. He then > restated list policy in civil terms, with no ad hominem commentary > WHATSOEVER. > > It was a mistake and Ben made amends for it. What more do you want, > Bud? Actually, I think you owe Ben a public apology both for your > behavior on that list, and for your latest misrepresentations.   ACCIDENTAL, MY SUPERANNUATED POSTERIOR. AND I WILL APOLOGIZE TO BEN CHI WHEN PIGS BECOME AERODYNAMIC. > > For all their human frailty, Ben and Dave have facilitated one of the > most important and dynamic modern aspects of our profession--internet > discussion. This list and several others have followed their lead and > have enriched our lives. If you have something to say to them, just say > it to them. > > >arrogance and high-handedness is NOT reserved to the Rev'd Clergy. > > Kindest regards, > > Raymond H. "Bud" Clark, BMus > > --For once I am in total agreement with you! <grin> > > Regards to you too, > > Jonathan B. "JB" Hall, DMus, MA, FAGO >   GEE, I'M GLAD YOU'VE GOT MORE INITIALS BEHIND YOUR NAME THAN I DO, JONATHAN. MAYBE I WAS TOO BUSY EARNING A LIVING TO ACQUIRE ALL THAT FRUIT SALAD.   OH, WELL, I'LL BE FIFTY YEARS AN ORGANIST SHORTLY, AND I DON'T NEED YOUR APPROVAL, OR BEN CHI'S.   BUD CLARK, BMus    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:06:18 -0500   I am a pipe organ enthusiast, without a doubt, provided the thing is properly built and installed. And that said, puts most pipe organs in our country on a level that leaves a lot to be desired. Most organists that serve our churches today would rather play a good electronic than a pipe organ that is out of tune and in disrepair. Regarding of what you want to call those electric wonders, its a free = world, call it what you like, but the digital church organ will remain for what = it is, an excellent replacement for the real thing when there are just not enough funds. When it comes to ending the debate, you have the right not to participate, but please, do not try to influence others, your opinions are yours alone. Discussions pro and con is what keeps us informed of what is going on in = the organ world, don't try to stifle that. Thanks.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02     > Someone used the word "electroid" the other day on the List. I hadn't heard > that one before, but it's a wonderful expression. Obviously a makeover from > the word "android" - something that looks fairly human, and sounds = fairly > human, and can act fairly human, but just isn't and never can be. > > > >Let's call the Digitals "Orgettes" and end the debate. > >Stan > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: the cost of a pipe organ (long) From: "Mark Koontz" <markkoontz@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:09:06 -0400   Wow, Bud, you're experience sounds expensive, time-consuming, and = complicated -- and it sounds like starting with a used instrument did not turn out to be = an advantage. You asked for advice on how it could have gone better, and the = only advice I can think of involves compromising pictures of committee members. = If you had been able to begin with commitments to your current plan, you = would probably have been able to manage a smoother course.   My situation is at the other end of the spectrum. We found a redundant = organ (in a nearby state) that fit our chambers with only modest alteration. It = was realtively new (1967) and did not need any refurbishing. It is a small = organ (there's no pipe that measures more than 8 feet), manuals and pedal have = short compasses. The total cost (purchase, move, install) was under $8K/rank. = It was 6-8 months from the time the idea of searching for a used instrument was approved to the first Sunday it was played. We were very lucky. The = thing pretty much just fell into our laps.   Of course, we also weren't looking for English Romantic.   For us, the whole thing started when the suspended ceiling in the = sanctuary collapsed. Amazingly, there was only one casualty: "Allen". Out of such lemons, who could have asked for better lemonade? (I think at this point, = I'm probably not the only with with a <g>.)   Mark Koontz      
(back) Subject: Re: the cost of a pipe organ (long) From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:54:22 EDT     --part1_70.20bf3185.2a7f0a9e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/4/2002 12:51:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:     > This Month a home in Roanoake, VA is for sale, pipe organ parts = included, > or buy separately. Obviously this guy's wife had had it, set her foot = down > or delivered divorce papers. At any rate he's not taking the collected = organ > parts with him. No it's not playing and probably never will. OBTW the = organ > construction books go with the organ parts. Guys who successfully = accomplish > this goal indeed have as much money as brains, and the organbuilding >   Well, let's throw some gas on the flames here... I DON'T know this to be FACT, since I have not had time to inquire about the house or the pipe = organ stuff, but since Roanoke is only a couple of hours away, I may do so in = the interest of satisfying my curiosity... Within the last couple of years, a couple of LONG-TIME maintenance providers died (in one case) or retired = (in the other case) rather unexpectedly. I dare say that it is possible that = this house COULD HAVE belonged to one of them but I DO NOT KNOW this to be fact...since both of these gentlemen resided in the Roanoke area i am only =   guessing, but i WILL find out if it was one of them...   Rick in VA   --part1_70.20bf3185.2a7f0a9e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/4/2002 12:51:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">This Month a home = in Roanoake, VA is for sale, pipe organ parts included, <BR>or buy separately. Obviously this guy's wife had had it, set her foot = down <BR>or delivered divorce papers. At any rate he's not taking the collected = organ <BR>parts with him. No it's not playing and probably never will. OBTW the = organ <BR>construction books go with the organ parts. Guys who successfully = accomplish <BR>this goal indeed have as much money as brains, and the organbuilding <BR>background to sustain them.</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Well, let's throw some gas on the flames here... I DON'T know this to = be FACT, since I have not had time to inquire about the house or the pipe = organ stuff, but since Roanoke is only a couple of hours away, I may do so = in the interest of satisfying my curiosity... Within the last couple of = years, a couple of LONG-TIME maintenance providers died (in one case) or = retired (in the other case) rather unexpectedly. I dare say that it is = possible that this house COULD HAVE belonged to one of them but I DO NOT = KNOW this to be fact...since both of these gentlemen resided in the = Roanoke area i am only guessing, but i WILL find out if it was one of = them... <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_70.20bf3185.2a7f0a9e_boundary--