PipeChat Digest #3009 - Monday, August 5, 2002
 
Re: A slice of Klais...Wood be nice
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Music stores, NYC?
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
RE: Music stores, NYC?
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by "Dennis Stoia" <hcbaroque@yahoo.com>
RE: A slice of Klais...Wood be nice
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Music Stores in Charleston, SC
  by "Josh & Amy Edwards" <fbcorganist@charter.net>
RE: 30 Grand per rank?
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
RE: A slice of Klais...Wood be nice
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: Cost of used instruments
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: Cost of pipe organ
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: Cost of new pipe organs
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: Cost of used instruments
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
on the durability of electronic substitutes
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: A slice of Klais...Wood be nice From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 11:24:53 +0000   Thanks Colin for your views! Obviously you don't rate it (Birmingham Symphony Hall) very highly. My interest in the cost was primarily inspired =   by all the churches discussing the cost of pipe organs and the means of paying for them. Now I think that a concert hall of this type is the true venue for a pipe organ. It looks impressive, should sound good and is = there for the performance of the concert repertoire. The scale and balance is right - or should be! Here is a municipal effort as opposed to a parochial =   one, and therefore is on a much larger scale. Civic pride is involved. In = a city the size of Birmingham the money can be found, without overstraining individual resources. Orthodox Churches here in Greece have no organs! = i.e. 99% of them. Yet they are full every Sunday. Most Greek people - children included - cross themselves when they pass a church. All my students stop = to make the sign of the cross when the church bell sounds at 6 p.m. They have = a fundamental belief in God. They have music, which I believe to be = essential to worship, provided by a choir singing the plainchant of Medieval times. Thus an organ is an adjunct to worship, not essential to it. It can be a source of congregational pride - in fact it should be - and if it is a = good instrument, concerts are a bonus. But it is not the be all and end all. I would still like to know how much it cost and where the money came from! John Foss     >From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: A slice of Klais...Wood be nice >Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:19:06 +0100 > >Hello, > >I don't know quite what to think about the Klais organ at Birmingham....I =   >found myself interested by it but, afterwards, quite unable to recall its =   >"personality". > >A big noise certainly, with heavy foundation stops, I just got the >impression that it was a German instrument masquerading as an English = one >but with awful reeds....as they all have! It's the organ equivalent to >"Through the key hole"......."Now WHO plays and composes for an organ = such >as THIS?" > >In fact, I would go further....... > >I cannot think of a single Klais organ in the UK which actually thrills, >excites or even uplifts.....but at least THIS one is intimidating. It is >the musical equivalent to a modest "A" bomb.....lots of boom, maybe >destruction of property within the vicinity and an after effect which >leaves one not so much "inspired" as "glowing in the dark". It's a = sort >of modern day equivalent to the Harrison re-build at the Royal Albert >Hall....."Father" Willis with attitude, lying in the gutter. > >Interestingly, the only organ to which I can draw comparison is the = rather >more successful instrument at St.Paul's Hall, Huddersfield University, >close to me in Yorkshire. A big mechanical instrument which, on paper, >promises a neo-classical experience, but which actually delivers a >mid-channel "Baroqmantic" one. This latter instrument, by a local = builder >Philip Wood & Sons, pre-dates Birmingham by a few decades and probably = cost >a fraction of the Klais........and it sounds a lot better. > >I just think that, yet again, Klais have produced an organ of no great >distinction. So it really doesn't matter from whence the money >came.....they were duped! > >I cannot help but think that Mander would have produced a far, far better =   >instrument. > >It makes one wonder if someone isn't being bribed to to ensure that UK >builders never again get the chance to build a big concert hall organ. Of =   >course, I don't KNOW anything.......... > >I cannot imagine why the names of "Father" Willis and the "Briberies and >corruption act" spring to mind. I'm sure that this is just a passing >thought of little consequence........ > >I just hope that next time they build a fine concert hall, they get a = good >organ builder from England or the USA to build an organ with personality. > >Regards, > >Colin Mitchell >UK > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> on behalf of "John >Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> >Sent: 05 August 2002 06:00 >To: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Birmingham Symphony Hall > >Dear list, >While clearing out one of my bookshelves yesterday I came across an >unopened >sample copy of The Organ - Nov 2001 - January 2002. It includes an = article >on the new Klais organ in Birmingham's Symphony hall. It looks a fine >instrument. Would anyone who has heard or played it like to make a = comment? >The articles do cover this point - The editor, Brian Hick, says that it = it >"the best possible instrument for the finest concert hall in the = country." >Following up aspects of a current thread, I'm interested to know how much =   >it >cost and who paid for it! The article states that it was paid for by a = few >large donations and many small ones. It would seem to be a somewhat more >successful tribute to the millenium than the disastrous dome - so were = the >large donations industrial, individual, government or "anonymous" or a >mixture of all four? >John Foss > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org         _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:35:17 -0500   Let's all get stones and run after the house organist. <G>   jon  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:57:37 EDT   TheShieling@xtra.co.nz wrote:   > And the Great is always out of tune with > the Swell, so you have to push down a stopkey > cancelling the "Romantic > tuning" to be able to couple up the manuals and > reasonably stay in tune.   Ross said this about an Allen, in comparison with the wonderful small pipe =   organ his congration enjoys.   However, Ross also mentioned that the pipe organ is tuned and serviced = every 18 months. Does the Allen get the same treatment?   Victoria    
(back) Subject: Music stores, NYC? From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:55:02 -0400   Hi, listers...   I'll be in NYC Tuesday through Friday, I wonder if anyone has a recommendation for a place to shop for organ music? Specifically sacred or standard rep stuff. I have no specific pieces in mind, so a place set up for browsing would be better if there's a choice.   many thanks,   Chuck Peery Cincinnati    
(back) Subject: RE: Music stores, NYC? From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:22:37 -0400   >I'll be in NYC Tuesday through Friday, I wonder if anyone has a recommendation for a place to shop for organ music?   Patelson's, near Carnegie Hall, has a lot. It is probably the only one. The organ music is on the second floor, and you can browse.    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: "Dennis Stoia" <hcbaroque@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:35:28 -0700 (PDT)     --- Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@attbi.com> wrote: > The elimitation of pipes is a stated goal. > What happened at Chicago Stadium? > Or, do you know? > > sorry for starting this, > Stan > > > Icedad@aol.com wrote: > > > > Dear Lynn, > > > > Thank you for the nice post in defense of digital instruments. > We > > could not have afforded to put $1.4 million into a full pipe > instrument. We > > have just installed a beautiful Custom 3 manual 80 stop Allen > Renaissance > > organ in our acoustically live large sanctuary that seats well over > 1,200 > > people. We have a MAGNIFICENT combination pipe/digital instrument. We > have > > the following pipe ranks: Principal 8', Octave 4', Fifteenth 2', > Harmonic > > Flute 8' with extensions Flute 4', Flute 2', Mixture II. We are > currently > > having a Trompette en Chamade being built for the back of our rather > large > > sanctuary under a beautiful stained glass window.The sound is > OUTSTANDING. > > The pipes and digital are seamless in sound. I have always said I > would > > NEVER have an electronic instrument in my church. Well , with the > economy so > > bad and prices so high for ALL pipe instruments, we went with the best > we > > could afford. Thanks again. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Daniel > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: A slice of Klais...Wood be nice From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:34:43 -0400   >I cannot think of a single Klais organ in the UK which actually thrills, excites or even uplifts.....   Dear Colin,   I agree with you in general that English builders are under-rated and I am troubled when a major English church gets a continental tracker = ill-adapted to the choral service. But I was quite impressed by the Klais organ in = Bath Abbey, on the basis of hearing it for an evensong shortly after its installation a few years ago. Have you heard it? I now understand that = it is more of a rebuild than a totally new organ, but was relieved that the sound was convincingly English.    
(back) Subject: Music Stores in Charleston, SC From: "Josh & Amy Edwards" <fbcorganist@charter.net> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:46:30 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0001_01C23C6D.5C37D560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I will be in Charleston, SC next week for vacation. Can someone suggest a good store to get organ music there? I'm needing some new stuff! Thanks, Josh Edwards Organist First Baptist Church, Morristown, TN   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0001_01C23C6D.5C37D560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE>   <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D934124514-05082002><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I = will =3D be in=3D20 Charleston, SC next week for vacation.&nbsp; Can someone suggest a good = =3D store to=3D20 get organ music there?&nbsp; I'm needing some new =3D stuff!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D934124514-05082002><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D934124514-05082002><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D934124514-05082002><FONT face=3D3DArial = size=3D3D2>Josh=3D20 Edwards</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D934124514-05082002><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>Organist</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D934124514-05082002><FONT face=3D3DArial = size=3D3D2>First =3D Baptist=3D20 Church, Morristown, TN</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D934124514-05082002><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D934124514-05082002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D934124514-05082002><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0001_01C23C6D.5C37D560--    
(back) Subject: RE: 30 Grand per rank? From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:03:50 -0400   While in Wisconsin last week, I had the opportunity to visit a new 23-rank two-manual electro-pneumatic by one of today's most interesting builders. An open wood 16' and two other pedal ranks were incorporated from the previous organ. Nevertheless, cost was more than $500,000. Ouch. Not = so long ago, a million-dollar organ would be a huge one. This church is decidedly below-average in physical size and in size of membership. And they needed half-a-million for an organ that (despite its unusual = features) the pages of TAO and Diapason would have disdained twenty years ago, and might today. I don't know how they accomplished this unless one or two = very wealthy families underwrote a major part of the campaign. An additional $100,000 was sought to endow the organ's maintenance. This sum has failed to materialize, at least thus far.   I suppose we can bear in mind that few if any people involved in such an instrument's creation and installation are getting rich from it. They are dedicated craftsmen who are doing their work for love as much as money. Without contracts they would be poor. The money percolates through the economy, providing employment.   I hope it is a great success and lasts a very long time. We can't expect the average congregation to put out these kinds of bux every generation.    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:11:48 EDT     --part1_d4.1b411155.2a7fefb4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Stan,   If you will notice from my post that we do INDEED have real pipe ranks which were made by Rieger. We did not try to eliminate pipes, but to =   use pipes combined with digital to build an instrument. We could have had = a very small all pipe organ, but that would not have carried a very large sanctuary soundwise. Indeed, we do have the most marvelous blending of sounds with pipe = and digital. Our whole console is prepared to add additional ranks as funds become available. Who knows, we may have a large all pipe instrument one = day. If you are ever in the Daytona Beach Florida area , contact me and come and hear and play this exceptional instrument.Have a great week.   Sincerely,   Daniel   --part1_d4.1b411155.2a7fefb4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Dear Stan,<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If&nbsp; you will notice from my post = that we do INDEED have real pipe ranks which were made by Rieger. We did = not try to <B>eliminate</B> pipes, but to use pipes combined&nbsp; with = digital to build an instrument. We could have had a very small all pipe = organ, but that would not have carried a very large sanctuary soundwise. = <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Indeed, we do have the most marvelous = blending of sounds with pipe and digital. Our whole console is prepared to = add additional ranks as funds become available. Who knows, we may have a = large all pipe instrument one day.<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you are ever in the Daytona Beach = Florida area , contact me and come and hear and play this exceptional = instrument.Have a great week.<BR> <BR> Sincerely,<BR> <BR> Daniel</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d4.1b411155.2a7fefb4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: A slice of Klais...Wood be nice From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:16:05 +0100     Hello,   Unfortunately, I haven't heard the Klais at Bath Abbey....and yes, I = have heard good reports of it.   I knew the former instrument quite well and, knowing that particular = building, I can fully understand why it was that they chose to go the = Anglican route.   Strangely enough, very few imported organs work well in the UK; even = when conditions are favourable.   The glorius exceptions are (of those which I have heard), the new Rieger = at Edinburgh, the gorgeous Frobenius at Queen's College Oxford, the = delightful small instrument (Marcussen?) at Nottingham (I think it is = the University Church) and the impressive Rieger at Clifton RC Cathedral = Bristol.   Then there is the delightful Flentrop at Queen Elizabeth Hall, = Southbank, London.   The big new Marcussen at Manchester disappoints, the Birmingham monster = is just that, St John's Smith Square is a shriek-freak instrument = lacking in character, whilst the Metzler at Manchester Royal Noirthern = College is just anaemic.   I am sure that there are other successes somehwere "out there", but I = cannot help but think that a vast amount of money has been spent to = little effect....at a time when good organ builders in the UK really do = need support, with so few new organs being built from scratch.   Anyone who has heard St.Andrew's Holborn (Mander), Gt.St.Mary's = Cambridge (Kenneth Jones & Associates) and the fine new Nicholson at = Southwell Minster, would tell you of their immediate preference for the = UK products.   I am not prjudiced against foreign instruments at all, but I DO WISH = they could deliver the goods.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK          
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:52:34 -0500   Remember...Allen says they don't require servicing and tuning..most legitimate pipe organ builders will tell a committee and congregation what to expect in servicing and tuning needs.   ....at least we do!   jon bertschinger  
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of used instruments From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:48:34 -0500   On 8/4/02 4:56 PM, TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > Compare the cost of a great antique violin to the cost of a great = antique pipe > organ.   Sorry Sebastian, you're not asking me to pay big bucks for a magnificent antique organ, with all the cachet that that implies. You're asking big bucks, up front, for a brand new, untried organ of uncertain musical quality. No one pays big bucks for a brand new violin, just for the Strads and Amatis which have stood the test of time. No one pays big bucks for a brand new Rembrandt imitation either. So the costs just aren't comparable.   And I'm not saying that the costs aren't justifiable and real or that = organ builders aren't doing their very best to deliver great work at the best possible price. Just that the price has become so high that it's getting = to be a harder sell.   TTFN, Russ    
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of pipe organ From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:10:08 -0500   On 8/3/02 10:57 PM, jon bertschinger wrote:   > prices for used organs are very low..   Yes they are. And some congregations will embrace this solution. But most congregations will frankly not. Many will feel they are buying a pig in a poke. They feel you are asking them to:   Invest major money (even though it is a bargain) up front for a used instrument you have never heard and in lots of cases one you don't really know whether it plays at all.   Invest major money to crate and ship the instrument from wherever it is.   Remodel your worship space to contain the new instrument - may be another chuck of money. Prepare for a lengthy and major disruption of your worship space.   Rent or purchase an electronic organ to use during the installation = period.   Contract with, more often than not, an unknown quantity of a local organ technician to install the instrument. Try for a fixed price (this will be another major cost) but know that this could be somewhat of a bottomless = pit depending on what is found as the project goes along. This is a complex mechanical device, it is old, it has been for some reason discarded by its original owner, it is NOT in pristine condition.   Hope that your technician not only knows how to install the instrument and make it work more or less flawlessly but also that he/she is a competent pipe voicer and finisher - this is unfortunately not a given!   Hope that the bulk of the congregation agrees that the new-to-us pipe = organ, now finally working, sounds extremely better than the rented digital = you've been using yea these many months - this is unfortunately not a sure thing!   __________   Please note that my scenario is not framed around the purchase and installation of a little self-contained one-manual tracker or the like. I don't consider these tiny instruments suitable for the kind of church work = I do. If you're going to install a used pipe organ for church duty, I want = an instrument of decent size with resource equivalent at least to a small digital.   __________   Some brave congregations will happily dive into this type of project but most will simply not. There are too many uncertainties, most of which = cannot be resolved until it is too late - the investment is already made. Most congregations just can't afford the possibility of making a mistake with = the kind of money that these organs, including renovations and installation, = end up costing.   TTFN, Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of new pipe organs From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:24:15 -0500   On 8/3/02 5:41 PM, Douglas A. Campbell wrote:   > The primary difference between a pipe organ and an electronic (to an > accountant) is that the pipe organ is a CAPITAL INVESTMENT and the > electronic is a BUDGET EXPENSE.   Don't know where you got your accounting training. I am a Chartered Accountant and after working with both Price Waterhouse and Ernst & Young was CFO of two quarter-billion dollar multinational companies for the bulk of my career.   With that background, I can assure you that a $50,000 digital organ with a life expectancy of, oh let's pick a ridiculously low number of say only 30 years, is a CAPITAL INVESTMENT, every bit as much as a $500,000 pipe organ with a life expectancy of, oh let's pick a ridiculously high number of say 100 years without major rebuilding.   TTFN, Russ    
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of used instruments From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:50:39 EDT   Dear Russ:   The name of the game here really is spendable income. During the heyday of Large organ factories, and assembly line efficiency, most states had no income tax, and in 1950-51 the tax rate was 1 1/2 %. The war WWII was paid for by war bonds not taxes. States existed on a small sales tax. Now over 50% of income goes to these same bodies with no end insight. Tax and spend has literally dried up expendable income for charitable, or church venues except for a very few who are able to shelter their wealth. The average guy who used to give can't very well anymore. Bank loans were 2% but not anymore, and credit card debt is a real temptation, and a real killer, unless properly managed. What ever is left over to live on, gets less and less every year. Savings are practically nil except for a few. A new car today costs as much as a house did during the late 60's, and a three bedroom no frills home costs as much as an 20 room mansion did. It's no wonder that money is tight. The elected officials have seen to = that. Big government has stolen your church's pipe organ. Make no mistake about it.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:50:14 -0500   On 8/4/02 8:40 PM, jch wrote:   > One food for thought...many of the > pipe organs that Bach played are still playing...that is something that = a > digital could not duplicate....thirty years seems to be the life span of > most electronics.   Some of the pipe organs that Bach played are still playing - but they have been rebuilt over and over and over. And each rebuild costs more than a whole new digital (in purchasing power of course). Pipe organs are not inexpensive, neither are they economical in spite of the fact that certain pieces of them may last a long time.   And where did you dig up thirty years as the apparent life span of most electronics? That's simply not true for most church level instruments. = Most Allens from the early years are still playing, long after their alloted thirty years have passed.   I love pipe organs. I believe the best of them to be inherently superior instruments. But not because they have any economic advantage - they = don't.   TTFN, Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: on the durability of electronic substitutes From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:07:03 -0700   I've got a 30-year-old electronic that's still playing ... wanna come hear it? (grin).   The key contacts have already been replaced, at a cost of in excess of $1000; the pistons don't work ... replacing the motherboard for them is another $1500+ ; the audio system NEEDS replaced ... that's another $3500, at LEAST.   Hmm ... what else does it need ... the pedal-board re-bushed, probably. Haven't gotten an estimate on that yet.   The only reason WE'RE doing it is that a pipe organ is COMING.   I couldn't spend THAT much on the upkeep of a WELL-BUILT 30-year-old PIPE organ if I TRIED.       Cheers,   Bud