PipeChat Digest #3014 - Tuesday, August 6, 2002
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
RE: 30 Grand per rank?
  by "Douglas Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
RE: 30 Grand per rank?
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: 30 Grand per rank?
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: recycling M=F6ller pipes
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
"Shot" speakers
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
RE: 30 Grand per rank?
  by "David Smit" <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com>
RE: 30 Grand per rank?
  by "David Smit" <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com>
Re: 30 Grand per rank?
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
RE: 30 Grand per rank?Oh YES
  by "David Smit" <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com>
RE: 30 Grand per rank?
  by "David Smit" <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com>
Re: the cost of a pipe organ (long)
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: "Shot" speakers
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@VASSAR.EDU>
$61,000 PER RANK
  by "Douglas Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
Re: What is average cost per rk average organ?
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
Re: Cost of used instruments
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Re: the price of pipe organs
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
The "trouble" with pipe organs?
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: combo organs
  by <FLTim@aol.com>
RE: The "trouble" with pipe organs?
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: The "trouble" with pipe organs?
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: the price of pipe organs
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
RE: the price of pipe organs
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:52:49 -0500   After your definition of the Allen, Ross, I believe a good butt kicking is in order for the person that installed and labelled that instrument. It sounds as if your speakers are shot and the instrument needs to be voiced.   I recently played a 77 stop Allen that is coupled to a 9 rank pipe, I wish = I could recall the brand of the pipe. They complimented each other very = well. However, the installer spent several days voicing the Allen so that it not only balanced with the pipe, it also was voiced to the sanctuary.   I have also played the smaller pipes and quite frankly I much prefer to = play a larger digital organ. I am not content playing a straight 8-4-2.   I will go back to what I have written every time that we have gotten into this, (I said that this time I was going to keep my keyboard quiet.) but, here goes:   1. Not all small churches use their organs for hymns and liturgies, = many of them have organists with the abilities to play and the congregation = with the desire to hear something more.   2. Not all church buildings were built for pipe organs. Ours for example, would be overwhelmed with any sizeable organ. Likewise, even a smaller pipe, would in all probability be too much of a load for the = balcony where the organ will remain.   3. Not all congregations can afford the cost of a pipe organ. The builders can say what they want, but you are not going to get much variety for $50,000-60,000. Even if the congregation could, refer to number 2.   4. Not all congregations wish to finance the cost of a pipe, as there = are usually numerous groups within the church that are clamoring for the = money. Believe it or not, the organ is not the central focus of most = congregations. I really have trouble with this one myself.   5. There are actually people alive and that are members of this list = that enjoy playing digitals.   6. My congregation just purchased an Allen Renaissance, 281. We chose this instrument over several others in the Allen line as well as a couple = of used pipe organs, one of which was supposedly free for the moving. = However, when all the dust cleared, the pipes simply did not offer the variety for which we were looking, were too bulky and would not fit in the space required for the organ.   You can write what you will, but organ companies are going to continue to = go out of business, as the buying trend is going away from pipe organs. If most of you recall, a few months ago, the big thread was on congregations using keyboards and sound systems instead of organs. Now there is one for you. You have $7,500.00 keyboard vs (u fill in the amount digitalor = pipe) There will be somebody look at it and even point out that in addition to = the 500 other sounds, you can even do a pipe organ.   Now do I push send or delete.   Jim H.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:46 PM Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02     I'd much rather play a 5 > or 6rk unit organ than a large electronic. > >> > Ross > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:54:26 -0500   Jim Hailey wrote:   Sorry about the reply button, but I wanted to comment on the following:   > After your definition of the Allen, Ross, I believe a good butt kicking = is > in order for the person that installed and labelled that instrument. It > sounds as if your speakers are shot and the instrument needs to be = voiced.   I have to agree, installation is a key and critical issue for any organ, digital or otherwise. My parents use to attend a Lutheran Church in Central FL. The Allen "guy" sold and put in a 3m organ with about 12 speakers (of which the largest was probably an 8" woofer). The speakers just lay in the balcony with the console, the cables sorta tacked up here and there. The thing sounds like %$(^. But I doubt that voicing would improve it, nor neatly done up wiring.     > 1. Not all small churches use their organs for hymns and liturgies, = many > of them have organists with the abilities to play and the congregation = with > the desire to hear something more.   While this is true in many cases...in some it is not. We're redoing an old console back into the original casework of the organ. They only use the organ a couple of times a year, and the console was in the way. If it were not for the fact that they wanted to keep the look up front, the whole thing might have been removed. They have a new Techniques keyboard, and about 2 microphones per person up front now. Did I mention new carpeting? So we're saving the instrument by putting the keyboards back into the casework, and making a removable pedal board (so the baptistery lid can be raised).     > 2. Not all church buildings were built for pipe organs. Ours for > example, would be overwhelmed with any sizeable organ. Likewise, even a > smaller pipe, would in all probability be too much of a load for the = balcony > where the organ will remain.   We've put pipe organs in very very small places. Most pipe organs that are compact weigh less than a spinet piano per square foot. Sorry your logic doesn't work here. And why would the organ HAVE to be in the balcony?     > 3. Not all congregations can afford the cost of a pipe organ. The > builders can say what they want, but you are not going to get much = variety > for $50,000-60,000. Even if the congregation could, refer to number 2.   On the outside...possibly they might not be able to afford a new Casavant, but congregations that appreciate quality will seek funds for what they find important. Also, we've done many organs with LOTS of variety in the $50,000 to $60,000 range. We don't live and have our shop in a east or west coast metropolitan area. We don't have the over head. Also, anyone can throw money at pipe work, wind chests and console/controls and put together a pipe organ...possibly that's where "not much variety" comes in. Correct pipe scales, good voicing methods and a very keen ear work to create universal sounds, capable of seeming like much more than they are. We've been in business since 1953, with out advertising, and competing head to head with electronics...and yet managed to remain in business and healthy. Those that say it cannot be done have not really done much listening to our instruments! You can still refer to my comments about #2. > > 4. Not all congregations wish to finance the cost of a pipe, as there = are > usually numerous groups within the church that are clamoring for the = money. > Believe it or not, the organ is not the central focus of most = congregations. > I really have trouble with this one myself.   While there are denominations that don't use organs or instruments with singing...I bet if you took away the organ on Sunday morning for a few weeks there would be money available. It may not be the central focus, but it's usually contested subject.     My comments on your's     Sincerely,     Jon Bertschinger Tonal Director Temple Organs Saint Joseph, MO (North Kansas City area)   Fine Custom Pipe Organs since 1953.  
(back) Subject: RE: 30 Grand per rank? From: "Douglas Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:57:39 -0700 (PDT)   If there is anyone out there willing to pay $800,000 for a 13-rank organ at $61,000 per rank, I have a great deal now marked down for the purchase of the Brooklyn Bridge.   D. Keith Morgan     --- David Smit <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com> wrote:   > As an aside - our current work is quoted at 800 000 > for thirteen ranks - > thats 61 000 per rank!     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: 30 Grand per rank? From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:59:19 -0400   Hey, that sounds like a great deal to me! Geeeeeeeeze. =3D=3D=3D   If there is anyone out there willing to pay $800,000 for a 13-rank organ at $61,000 per rank, I have a great deal now marked down for the purchase of the Brooklyn Bridge.  
(back) Subject: Re: 30 Grand per rank? From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:58:28 -0500     I hope you were joking about your pricing? and what's the URL all about? notta thing about organs there.   If you'r paying that much per rank....you better think about changing pipe makers. We've been working with one maker for over 40 years now. I don't ever recall bids that high! We buy our pipe work from Deutscheland also....but geee.......let's get real here people. I bet you'r not talking in US dollars are you?   jon bertschinger  
(back) Subject: Re: recycling M=F6ller pipes From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:00:21 -0500   Just where is the church and it's name that keeps replacing the pipe organs. We have an old allen in the shop they'd probably like.....oops..never mind...it went to the land fill last week..my mistake.   Jon  
(back) Subject: "Shot" speakers From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:05:19 -0400   Concerning "shot" speakers in Allens, our 1984 Allen's 15" cone drivers = are being replaced, since the polyurethane surrounds (that attach the cone circumference to the = metal frame) have degenerated. This, of course, is a familiar problem not at all limited to Allen units. = BTW, our service fellow says that Allen's instructions on replacement are to obtain them locally*, = so he is using Radio Shack polypropylene woofers (cat. #40-1035, $79.99.) They are perhaps less = sensitive (output for input) than the originals. Otherwise, they seem to be OK, even though the = original cones were of the older fiber type.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh   * - Does anyone know this to be true?  
(back) Subject: RE: 30 Grand per rank? From: "David Smit" <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:59:18 +0200   Hi,   You didn't pay attention... I said R800 000! thats about 60 000 US Dollars.:-)   Dave   -----Original Message----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:59 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: 30 Grand per rank?     Hey, that sounds like a great deal to me! Geeeeeeeeze. =3D=3D=3D   If there is anyone out there willing to pay $800,000 for a 13-rank organ at $61,000 per rank, I have a great deal now marked down for the purchase of the Brooklyn Bridge.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: 30 Grand per rank? From: "David Smit" <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:59:46 +0200   Hi,   RANDS, RANDS RANDS     Dave   -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Morgan [mailto:aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:58 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: 30 Grand per rank?     If there is anyone out there willing to pay $800,000 for a 13-rank organ at $61,000 per rank, I have a great deal now marked down for the purchase of the Brooklyn Bridge.   D. Keith Morgan     --- David Smit <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com> wrote:   > As an aside - our current work is quoted at 800 000 > for thirteen ranks - > thats 61 000 per rank!     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: 30 Grand per rank? From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:08:41 -0500   Dave...please recheck your first post...I don't believe I saw an "R" in front of figures.   Jon  
(back) Subject: RE: 30 Grand per rank?Oh YES From: "David Smit" <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:05:25 +0200   Hi,   I wasn't joking (but I noticed that very few picked up that this was NOT = in USD.)   The URL - there will be as soon as I can get the site finished and = uploaded. I have been waiting three months (admittedly not a long time) for the ISP = to get their act together...   I make my own pipes so I think changeing might be a bit difficult.   Oddly enough of the two German suppliers I use the one's metal is usually two thirds to half as cheap as the other. Take a guess whether the large = or small supplier are the cheapest!       -----Original Message----- From: jon bertschinger [mailto:jonberts@magiccablepc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:58 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: 30 Grand per rank?       I hope you were joking about your pricing? and what's the URL all about? notta thing about organs there.   If you'r paying that much per rank....you better think about changing pipe makers. We've been working with one maker for over 40 years now. I don't ever recall bids that high! We buy our pipe work from Deutscheland also....but geee.......let's get real here people. I bet you'r not talking in US dollars are you?   jon bertschinger   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: 30 Grand per rank? From: "David Smit" <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:08:18 +0200   Hi,   <SNIP> from my earlier post...   I second that! 30 000 per rank is what we quote on average to our customers - that is 30 000 RAND (less than $ 3 000 at this morning's price) - if that was the = only criteria we'd be swamped!   </SNIP>   Admittedly I didn't prefix my second post - apologies to all!:-)   Dave   -----Original Message----- From: jon bertschinger [mailto:jonberts@magiccablepc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 3:09 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: 30 Grand per rank?     Dave...please recheck your first post...I don't believe I saw an "R" in front of figures.   Jon   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: the cost of a pipe organ (long) From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:14:39 -0500   OrganMD@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Richard and List Members: > > If I may jump into this question. I think that most major > builders are more than willing to look at possible use of > extant pipework. The problem is that often, as is the case > with your church, the only thing usable are the pipes > themselves. Hence the savings of the reuse of even 40 ranks of > good pipes might amount to only $25-35,000. Not always true. We saved a church about 50% as we located a 1960's organ of good tonal value...and resused all pipe work (new tongues for the reeds though). In 40 ranks only case pipes and 4' Swell Harmonic Flute were different.   The pipes will > have to be transported to the builders shop where they can be > cleaned, repaired as may be needed, and wit to the new chests. > They will also have to go on the voicing machine to be > regulated for their proper fit in the new scheme of things. > You make that sound like it's an impossible task. We removed the organ from FL, and brought it to our shop. Sold the windchests, built new and new control system/console (kept old console for later reuse) did tonal regulation. We didn't have to use oxcarts and cross the salt desert! Tons of money can be saved, especially in larger stops (16' opens, subbass's, etc.) One of the biggest expenses for us in NEW pipe work from across the pond is shipping. I just hate to see freight bills on new oak subbass stops anymore.   jon bertschinger   btw. I wish you guyz would sign your whole name.... > The reuse of old pipes can be and sometimes is a good thing. > Just do not expect to save truckloads of money by doing it. > > Bill  
(back) Subject: Re: "Shot" speakers From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@VASSAR.EDU> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:25:16 -0700   >Concerning "shot" speakers in Allens, our 1984 Allen's 15" cone >drivers are being replaced, since >the polyurethane surrounds (that attach the cone circumference to >the metal frame) have degenerated. >This, of course, is a familiar problem not at all limited to Allen >units. BTW, our service fellow >says that Allen's instructions on replacement are to obtain them >locally*, so he is using Radio >Shack polypropylene woofers (cat. #40-1035, $79.99.) They are >perhaps less sensitive (output for >input) than the originals. Otherwise, they seem to be OK, even >though the original cones were of the >older fiber type. > >Stan Yoder >Pittsburgh > >* - Does anyone know this to be true?   Regarding degenerating surrounds, they can be replaced quite easily thus salvaging the loudspeaker. www.mcmelectronics.com is one vendor that sells the kits. For some $20 bucks (for 2) and some manual dexterity those drivers will be better than new!   John V  
(back) Subject: $61,000 PER RANK From: "Douglas Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:38:15 -0700 (PDT)   If there is anyone out there willing to pay $800,000 for a 13-rank organ at $61,000 per rank, I have a great deal now marked down for the purchase of the Brooklyn Bridge.   D. Keith Morgan     --- David Smit <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com> wrote:   > As an aside - our current work is quoted at 800 000 > for thirteen ranks - > thats 61 000 per rank!     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: What is average cost per rk average organ? From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:40:51 EDT     --part1_1a9.64cdd89.2a812be3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hello.   If it's the insurance company requiring the replacement value, can't the builder or the service technician place the value of the organ for total replacement?   Yours,   Darryl   --part1_1a9.64cdd89.2a812be3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Hello.<BR> <BR> If it's the insurance company requiring the replacement value, can't the = builder or the service technician place the value of the organ for total = replacement?<BR> <BR> Yours,<BR> <BR> Darryl </FONT></HTML>   --part1_1a9.64cdd89.2a812be3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of used instruments From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:54:55 -0700     ----- Original Message ----- From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> > You forget about the bite taken by individual state income tax and FICA > (social security, medicare, etc). Oh, and by the way, most of us in the US > pay hefty health insurance premiums each pay period. And not to mention 401k > if we want anything besides below-poverty level retirement income from = the > aforementioned Social Security. (Although with the current stock = market, it > looks like that's a joke on us!) > > The truth is that after all this was deducted from my paycheck, my take-home > pay was 52% of the original salary figure. Disposable income? What's that? > Of course, now I'm unemployed since I used to work for WorldCom. = (chuckle)   I don't dispute a word of what you say. My only point was that the income tax rate in 1950-51 wasn't 1 1-2%.        
(back) Subject: Re: the price of pipe organs From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:56:07 EDT   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:       > OK, Messrs Gluck, Redman and Bertschinger are > blaming us poor ignorant > organists for "lack of leadership." > > Do ANY of you have ANY experience with herding > CATS?   The trick is to get the proper fish. :-)   Victoria  
(back) Subject: The "trouble" with pipe organs? From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:07:49 -0500     Jim Hailey wrote:   > Believe it or not, the organ is not the central focus of most = congregations. > I really have trouble with this one myself.   Then why are you here? Take a clue by the very title of this forum: this is PIPEchat, not ALLENchat, or RODGERSchat or (fill in your favorite pipeless brand)chat. If you have "trouble" with it, you don't have to be here; no one's forcing you, so far as I know. > You can write what you will, but organ companies are going to continue = to go > out of business, as the buying trend is going away from pipe organs. Mass ignorance, which has always been the case throughout time, is not in of itself justification of it.   > Now do I push send or delete.   Perhaps unsubscribe??   Sorry: I haven't had my morning cup of Coffee yet, and this post has simply hit me all wrong. I'm sure I'll have to repent of this in leisure.   Faithfully,   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: Re: combo organs From: <FLTim@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:27:52 EDT     --part1_3c.224f1a99.2a815308_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/5/2002 4:02:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > most pipe organ builders don't DO combo organs, which makes it > difficult to get GOOD pipes for combo organs. And even if one DOES > manage to get good PIPES, most local pipe organ TECHNICIANS want nothing > to do with combo organs; most ELECTRONIC technicians don't know anything > ABOUT pipes,   That is unless you live in Florida. 8-)   Best regards, Timothy L. Newby, Vice President Central Music, Inc.   --part1_3c.224f1a99.2a815308_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/5/2002 4:02:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com = writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">most pipe organ = builders don't DO combo organs, which makes it<BR> difficult to get GOOD pipes for combo organs. And even if one DOES<BR> manage to get good PIPES, most local pipe organ TECHNICIANS want = nothing<BR> to do with combo organs; most ELECTRONIC technicians don't know = anything<BR> ABOUT pipes, </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> That is unless you live in Florida.&nbsp;&nbsp; 8-)<BR> <BR> Best regards,<BR> Timothy L. Newby, Vice President<BR> Central Music, Inc.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3c.224f1a99.2a815308_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: The "trouble" with pipe organs? From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:39:19 -0400   The trouble with pipe organs is that they are worth the "trouble" if they give you any. Therefore there ain't none. And anyone who might per chance, build a bad one (and they have so been built) with malicious intent, than that person or group thereof should be arrested and serve a prison = sentence. A long prison sentence or at least be forced to listen to Cesar Franck = being played on a Dutch Baroque Organ all day long for many years. Robert Bernardino Colasacco      
(back) Subject: Re: The "trouble" with pipe organs? From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:31:28 -0500   Rich,   I don't frequently agree with you, but in this case I will. I could float =   away on a sea of coffee and still have problems digesting that post. It was obviously meant to incite a discussion. Who needs that kind of aggravation. Pipe organs have been around for several centuries and even though some builders may go out of business there still seems to be a healthy crop of organ builders. It is not the fault of the product if the firm is not managed well or the product is not marketed well. It could = even be that the builder is not building what will sell. These lists seem to attract some folks who would rather knock other folks opinions and when = you fail to buy into their juvenile activity they turn potty mouth like the recent jerk on the theatre organ list. Keep building them good organs, = Richard,   jch   At 11:07 AM 8/6/02 -0500, you wrote: >I'm sure I'll have to repent of this in leisure. > >Faithfully, > >-- >Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO >SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. >Pipe Organ Builders    
(back) Subject: Re: the price of pipe organs From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:51:24 -0400       Myosotis51@aol.com wrote: > > quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > > OK, Messrs Gluck, Redman and Bertschinger are > > blaming us poor ignorant > > organists for "lack of leadership." > > > > Do ANY of you have ANY experience with herding > > CATS? > > The trick is to get the proper fish. :-) > > Victoria >   Mine does even like the treats dangled in front of her. And digital organs sound bad.   All of 'em, if you listen carefully.   Stan    
(back) Subject: RE: the price of pipe organs From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:56:54 -0400   This is true. Even the one in my apartment, and I love it dearly because it's there for me to play when I feel like playing. It sounds like what it is, a digital copy of a pipe organ. It sounds as beautifully as looks a = very good photograph of Grand Canyon. Robert Bernardino Colasacco   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D And digital organs sound bad.   All of 'em, if you listen carefully.   Stan