PipeChat Digest #3015 - Tuesday, August 6, 2002
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Replacement Speakers
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
The Never-Ending Story
  by "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net>
Re: the price of pipe organs
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: Music stores, NYC?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: My annual Netherlands dash
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: combo organs
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: on the durability of electronic substitutes
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: Cost of used instruments
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Allen servicing
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: combo organs
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: recycling M=F6ller pipes
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:39:46 EDT     --part1_fb.2a4fbc31.2a8171f2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/6/02 7:30:51 AM Atlantic Daylight Time, jhaileya10@charter.net writes: > You have $7,500.00 keyboard vs (u fill in the amount digitalor pipe) > There will be somebody look at it and even point out that in addition to =   > the > 500 other sounds, you can even do a pipe organ.   I have seen various inexpensive and expensive synthesizers with a supposed =   myriad of sounds, 500 appearing to be a reasonable estimate. However, I = have yet to find one with a reasonable full, or non-full organ sound. I did = hear a semi-reasonable imitation of a Principal on a Rodgers keyboard about ten =   years ago. But those 500 sounds all seem to sound more or less alike = with there being possibly only 20 or so actual "individual" sounds with the remainder being slight variants, much like the difference in Hammond = sounds between 00-8435-643 and 00-8435-642!   Bruce in the Muttestery HOWLING ACRES IS NEW NEW NEW... please visit   with the Baskerbeagles at <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 .... need extra money??? visit http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053 enjoy shopping?? visit www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg   --part1_fb.2a4fbc31.2a8171f2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 8/6/02 7:30:51 AM Atlantic = Daylight Time, jhaileya10@charter.net writes: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You have&nbsp; = $7,500.00 keyboard vs (u fill in the amount digitalor pipe)<BR> There will be somebody look at it and even point out that in addition to = the<BR> 500 other sounds, you can even do a pipe organ.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> I have seen various inexpensive and expensive synthesizers with a supposed = myriad of sounds, 500 appearing to be a reasonable estimate.&nbsp; = However, I have yet to find one with a reasonable full, or non-full organ = sound.&nbsp; I did hear a semi-reasonable imitation of a Principal on a = Rodgers keyboard about ten years ago.&nbsp;&nbsp; But those 500 sounds all = seem to sound more or less alike with there being possibly only 20 or so = actual "individual" sounds with the remainder being slight variants, much = like the difference in Hammond sounds between 00-8435-643 and = 00-8435-642!<BR> <BR> Bruce in the Muttestery&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#ff0080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>HOWLING ACRES IS NEW NEW = NEW... please visit</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B><BR> <BR> with the Baskerbeagles at&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/brucon502">HowlingAcres</A>&nbsp;&nbsp; = http://members.tripod.com/brucon502<BR> ....&nbsp; need extra money???&nbsp;&nbsp; visit&nbsp;&nbsp; = http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053<BR> enjoy shopping??&nbsp;&nbsp; visit&nbsp; www.freestoreclub.com/go/BDawg = <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_fb.2a4fbc31.2a8171f2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Replacement Speakers From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:54:09 -0500   I can't directly address organ speakers, but I needed some replacement 15" woofers for an elderly pair of Radio Shack Mach One speaker systems. I queried Radio Shack via email about a "similar" 15" woofer they listed in the catalog.   They responded that the speaker was NOT recommended as a replacement for my unit, but very helpfully recommended the Tampa [FL} Speaker Exchange to recone the old speakers. I didn't even know it could be done, but it was, it was cost effective, and the speakers seem to sound better than ever (certainly better than the deteriorating condition they were in)   Dennis Steckley   -------------------------------------------------------------------   Subject: "Shot" speakers From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:05:19 -0400   Concerning "shot" speakers in Allens, our 1984 Allen's 15" cone drivers are being replaced, since the polyurethane surrounds (that attach the cone circumference to the metal frame) have degenerated. This, of course, is a familiar problem not at all limited to Allen units. BTW, our service fellow says that Allen's instructions on replacement are to obtain them locally*, so he is using Radio Shack polypropylene woofers (cat. #40-1035, $79.99.) They are perhaps less sensitive (output for input) than the originals.      
(back) Subject: The Never-Ending Story From: "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:21:22 -0700   Pipes vs Digital --Will it never end?   I've been an organist for quite a few years -- long enough to have done my time on the ubiquitous Bald-one, and played many a pipe organ and digital. Some were wonderful, some were like having sand in your suit at the beach. But one thing remains constant -- no matter what there will ALWAYS be = pipe, ALWAYS be electronic, and somewhere, somehow, there will ALWAYS be a B-3. And there will NEVER be complete agreement on all aspects of the = discussion.   Seems like this discussion pops up more regularly than a speedtrap outside = a small Arizona town, and nothing different ever gets said. No one is going to change anyone else's mind, and when you come right down to it, why try? So, why not just agree to disagree and move on?   Ducking behind a flame-resistant wall   Dennis    
(back) Subject: Re: the price of pipe organs From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:38:07 -0500   My 3M digital at home with its gorgeous sound gives me the same = satisfaction as the 3M pipeorgan in church. And, the digital is not made by that = begins with A.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: RE: the price of pipe organs     > This is true. Even the one in my apartment, and I love it dearly because > it's there for me to play when I feel like playing. It sounds like what = it > is, a digital copy of a pipe organ. It sounds as beautifully as looks a very > good photograph of Grand Canyon. > Robert Bernardino Colasacco > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > And digital organs sound bad. > > All of 'em, if you listen carefully. > > Stan > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Music stores, NYC? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:42:14 -0400   On 8/5/02 9:55 AM, "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> wrote:   > Hi, listers... > > I'll be in NYC Tuesday through Friday, I wonder if anyone has a > recommendation for a place to shop for organ music? Specifically sacred > or standard rep stuff. I have no specific pieces in mind, so a place > set up for browsing would be better if there's a choice. > > many thanks, > > Chuck Peery > Cincinnati > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > By this time you've probably already been clued into Patelson's, on West 56th, just east of Seventh Ave.--across the street from the backside of Carnegie Hall.   Alan, just in case    
(back) Subject: Re: My annual Netherlands dash From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:55:46 -0400   On 8/4/02 10:26 PM, "cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk" <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:   > I am delighted to learn from my other half that there is a recital at St > Laurent's, Alkmaar this time around, and by a celebrity organist. This = should > be quite special, considering that the organ has now been fully restored = and I > have not heard it since I last played it. What a very different = instrument > this is from Haarlem!   There we go again. I can't imagine that I forgot about Alkmaar and = Haarlem. They're very well known to PipeChast folks.   Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:03:54 -0500   On 8/5/02 12:52 PM, jon bertschinger wrote:   > Remember...Allen says they don't require servicing and > tuning..most legitimate pipe organ builders will tell a committee > and congregation what to expect in servicing and tuning needs.   Hi Jon, I've got to tell you - none of the six Allens I've had under my care have ever required tuning (Ross' tuning complaints on this list were a red herring due totally to his not understanding how a feature of his Allen works) or in fact service of any kind. Of course, these instruments are = only 15 - 30 years old at this point so perhaps at some time in the future...   But seriously, digital Allens DO NOT REQUIRE TUNING - EVER!! That is inherent in the way they work, not dependent on the age of components or some such.   And my Allens at least have required no regular service. I don't know of = any Allens which require regular service unless they are digital/pipe combination instruments. I do know of some component failures on other Allens but these have been rare and inconsequential.   So if Allen does say they require no tuning or regular service, for my = money they've stated the case accurately.   I know of no pipe organ with anything approaching this kind of service record.   TTFN, Russ    
(back) Subject: Re: combo organs From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:02:56 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0031_01C23D62.BA6A1940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   List -=3D20   I have to throw in my .02 worth here now. =3D20   I grew up playing pipes in St. Joseph, Mo in the 1960's and 70's. =3D Studied on pipes in college and played on them during most of my youth =3D (of course I owned an electronic<CONN 631-D> because my parents didn't =3D have the room or the money for a pipe organ in our house. I moved to =3D Florida in 1974 and was employed as organist in a church in Tampa =3D (Christ the King RC). The church sanctuary was being remodeled and a =3D new organ (ALLEN 903-C) had been purchased. Cost of the instrument was = =3D around $50,000. At the same time, St. Joseph's Catholic Church in Tampa = =3D had just purchased a new Moller 2m 9r for their sanctuary for $45,000. = =3D The Allen was the equivalent (not equal) of approximately 65 ranks and =3D with the addition of the card reader and library the specification was =3D unlimited. I preferred playing the Allen because of the sheer magnitude = =3D of the specification at the time. The Moller sounded better because it = =3D was in a better room, it did what it was designed to do. =3D20   Jumping ahead to the present:   I currently am organist at First United Methodist Church in Clearwater, = =3D FL. When I was hired almost a year ago the organ was in place, I had no = =3D input in the design or rebuilding of the instrument. It was originally = =3D 3 manual 36(?)rank Wicks with exposed Great and swell and Choir in =3D chambers in the front of the chancel. Currently the instrument is 4m =3D combination organ totaling 36(?) ranks of pipes and 60+ digital. The =3D console and digital stops and interface are by Rodgers. The Wicks 10 =3D rank great was respecced and replaced with a much more functional Great = =3D from Ruffati of Italy. Principal Chorus 8-4-2 2/3-2-IV - Flute 4 - =3D Gedackt 8. The organ speaks from the front into the room and I would =3D dare anyone to enter the sanctuary during prelude, hymn singing, =3D offertory, or postlude and tell me what is pipe and what is digital. =3D20   The instrument is capable of playing just about any type of literature =3D you can imagine, the console is well constructed and has a wonderful =3D feel (moving Harris drawknobs and wooden keydecks). Total cost of the =3D additions to the instrument are not known to me but as far as I'm =3D concerned they are well worth every penny and the congregation loves =3D their new Rodgers/Ruffati/Wicks combo organ. That's the most important = =3D thing of all...the CONGREGATION LIKES IT (and I do too).   BTW - there was an organist on this and several other lists visiting my = =3D area. He came in and tried out the combo instrument and liked it (and =3D he is a pipe organ player too). If he reads this maybe he'll give his =3D impressions of our baby here at 1st UMC, Clearwater,as well. =3D20     Tom Hoehn, Organist Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: FLTim@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: Re: combo organs     In a message dated 8/5/2002 4:02:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =3D quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:       most pipe organ builders don't DO combo organs, which makes it difficult to get GOOD pipes for combo organs. And even if one DOES manage to get good PIPES, most local pipe organ TECHNICIANS want =3D nothing to do with combo organs; most ELECTRONIC technicians don't know =3D anything ABOUT pipes,=3D20     That is unless you live in Florida. 8-)   Best regards, Timothy L. Newby, Vice President Central Music, Inc. ------=3D_NextPart_000_0031_01C23D62.BA6A1940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4916.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>List - </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have to throw in my .02 worth here = =3D now.&nbsp;=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I grew up playing pipes in St. = Joseph, =3D Mo in the=3D20 1960's and 70's.&nbsp; Studied on pipes in college and played on them =3D during=3D20 most of my youth (of course I owned an electronic&lt;CONN 631-D&gt; =3D because my=3D20 parents didn't have the room or the money for a pipe organ in our =3D house.&nbsp; I=3D20 moved to Florida in 1974 and was employed as organist in a church in =3D Tampa=3D20 (Christ the King RC).&nbsp; The church sanctuary was being remodeled and = =3D a new=3D20 organ (ALLEN 903-C) had been purchased.&nbsp; Cost of the instrument was = =3D around=3D20 $50,000.&nbsp; At the same time, St. Joseph's Catholic Church in Tampa =3D had just=3D20 purchased a new Moller 2m 9r for their sanctuary for $45,000.&nbsp; The = =3D Allen=3D20 was the equivalent (not equal) of approximately 65 ranks and with the =3D addition=3D20 of the card reader and library the specification was unlimited. I =3D preferred=3D20 playing the Allen because of the sheer magnitude of the specification at = =3D the=3D20 time.&nbsp; The Moller sounded better because it was in a better room, =3D it did=3D20 what it was designed to do.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jumping ahead to the =3D present:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I currently am organist at First = United =3D Methodist=3D20 Church in Clearwater, FL.&nbsp; When I was hired almost a year ago the =3D organ was=3D20 in place, I had no input in the design or rebuilding of the =3D instrument.&nbsp; It=3D20 was originally 3 manual 36(?)rank Wicks with exposed Great and swell and = =3D Choir=3D20 in chambers in the front of the chancel.&nbsp; Currently the instrument = =3D is 4m=3D20 combination organ totaling 36(?) ranks of pipes and 60+ digital.&nbsp; =3D The=3D20 console and digital stops and interface are by Rodgers.&nbsp; The Wicks = =3D 10 rank=3D20 great was respecced and replaced with a much more functional Great from = =3D Ruffati=3D20 of Italy.&nbsp; Principal Chorus 8-4-2 2/3-2-IV - Flute 4 - Gedackt =3D 8.&nbsp; The=3D20 organ speaks from the front into the room and I would dare anyone to =3D enter the=3D20 sanctuary during prelude, hymn singing, offertory, or postlude and tell = =3D me=3D20 what&nbsp;is pipe and what&nbsp;is digital.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The instrument is capable of playing = =3D just about any=3D20 type of literature you can imagine, the console is well constructed and = =3D has a=3D20 wonderful feel (moving Harris drawknobs and wooden keydecks).&nbsp; =3D Total cost=3D20 of the additions to the instrument are not known to me but as far as I'm = =3D   concerned they are well worth every penny and the congregation loves =3D their new=3D20 Rodgers/Ruffati/Wicks combo organ.&nbsp; That's the most important thing = =3D of=3D20 all...the CONGREGATION LIKES IT (and I do too).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>BTW - there was an organist on this = and =3D several=3D20 other lists visiting my area.&nbsp; He came in and tried out the = combo=3D20 instrument and liked it (and he is a pipe organ player too).&nbsp; If he = =3D reads=3D20 this maybe he'll give his impressions of our baby here at 1st UMC, =3D Clearwater,as=3D20 well.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Tom Hoehn, Organist<BR>Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL<BR>First United =3D Methodist=3D20 Church, Clearwater, FL<BR>CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS<BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn">http://theatreorgans.com/tomho= =3D ehn</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DFLTim@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:FLTim@aol.com">FLTim@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 06, 2002 = =3D 12:27=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: combo organs</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a =3D message dated=3D20 8/5/2002 4:02:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com">quilisma@socal.rr.com</A>=3D20 writes:<BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">most pipe organ builders don't DO combo organs, which = =3D makes=3D20 it<BR>difficult to get GOOD pipes for combo organs. And even if = one=3D20 DOES<BR>manage to get good PIPES, most local pipe organ TECHNICIANS = =3D want=3D20 nothing<BR>to do with combo organs; most ELECTRONIC technicians =3D don't know=3D20 anything<BR>ABOUT pipes, </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>That is unless you =3D live in=3D20 Florida.&nbsp;&nbsp; 8-)<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Timothy L. Newby, =3D Vice=3D20 President<BR>Central Music, Inc.</FONT> =3D </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0031_01C23D62.BA6A1940--      
(back) Subject: Re: on the durability of electronic substitutes From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:20:16 -0500   On 8/5/02 2:07 PM, quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > I couldn't spend THAT much on the upkeep of a WELL-BUILT 30-year-old > PIPE organ if I TRIED.   Pardon me? Seems to me you're not trying!   A 30 year old pipe organ of equivalent size would, in Winnipeg, Canada, = have already had at least $30,000 spent on the annual maintenance/tuning = contract ($1000 per year). And that's presuming that nothing major occurred which = in my experience has never been the case.   I remember one lovely little 13 rank pipe organ which I presided over for about 10 years in the 1960's. In spite of regular tuning and maintenance, = it needed quite a lot of work, including complete re-leathering. The = quotation, in 1971, was more than triple the cost of a then brand-new and = revolutionary digital Allen 301. The church was having other difficulties and the cost = of organ rebuilding and replacement was the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back - the parish simply closed up shop and merged with another church one neighbourhood away. The pipe organ was parted out, really a = shame but the tubular pneumatic action was too expensive to move/fix; the merged parish bought the Allen. I went to a parish with a Phelpsavant which is another story...   On the other hand, the six Allen's which have been under my care (churches and home), now aged between 15 - 30 years have had a total service bill of $ZERO over their lives. No tuning, no regular maintenance, no component failures, nothing! I don't know what all you people do to your digital organs!!   TTFN, Russ    
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of used instruments From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:21:45 -0500   On 8/5/02 1:50 PM, RonSeverin@aol.com wrote:   > Big government has stolen your church's pipe organ. Make no mistake = about > it.   Excellent point Ron. But what's to be done?   Russ    
(back) Subject: Allen servicing From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:27:29 -0400   Russ is a lucky man not to have had any of his Allens need regular = servicing. Our 1984 ADC-era Allen does need periodic work:   - key contacts cleaned (later Allens use enclosed reed-switches)   - card-reader lamps replaced (alterables now old technology)   - stopknob reed switches adjusted, e.g., stop always on or off regardless = of knob position (still a problem on later generations?)   - gain pots on amps go intermittent (clean by rotating pot several times)   On the whole, however, it is a reliable product; and, as Russ says, cannot = go out of tune with itself. Tuning reference easily adjusted to match a piano, etc.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3000 - 08/03/02 From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:32:22 -0500   On 8/5/02 2:30 PM, RonSeverin@aol.com wrote:   > I would venture to say that the pipes were disconnected because the > electronic parts would drift out of tune with the pipes. The organist > must retune the electronics with that little knob provided during a > service. There are devices now to keep the electronics in virtual tune > with the pipes and no knob to constantly monkey around with. I > know because my organ has one. Cost $100. Perfect fit all the time.   Hi Ron, Apparently that's not the reason. According to the organist, they have automatic tuning that works perfectly. Certainly when I've heard the full organ playing, the tuning was fine.   No, in this case the church is virtually dead acoustically, the pipes are perhaps not finished as well as one might hope, and they sound quite dreadful. The rest of the Rodgers, a good-sized 3-manual, has had modest reverb added and sounds fine. The pipework was not a good blend with the rest of the instrument and in this building sounded rather like a harsh, loud accordian.   And this church has the advantage of having the Rodgers dealer as a prominent member of the congregation, so no expense has been spared trying to get the instrument to work at its optimum.   Obviously this situation doesn't occur with every, hopefully not even with many, digital/pipe combination installations. But here's one that not only didn't work well but one in which the congregation and even the organist preferred the digital sounds to the point where they have abandoned the pipes.   TTFN, Russ    
(back) Subject: Re: combo organs From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:44:11 -0500   Dear Ron, I would love to hear and play your installation since you are obviously so happy with it.   I've never had a combo organ but have been a great believer in the = concept. Creating a versatile and affordable instrument by using pipes for critical elements and filling in the gaps with digital sounds has great appeal to = me. Likely this class of instrument is what I will strive for when my parish looks to replace its Allen - hopefully before my retirement!   Cheers, Russ    
(back) Subject: Re: recycling M=F6ller pipes From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:02:50 EDT     --part1_bb.24205a7b.2a81937a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/6/2002 2:52:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > *I* still would not sanction changing chest styles. > > Anybody else got an opinion on that? > >   Yup, I shure do...   It is easier to take pipes voiced for pitman-style chests and re-plant = them on slider-and-pallet chests than to go the other direction. It is a matter = of making some slight adjustments to the pipe voicing and those previously-pitman pipes will sing well enough on slider chests. this is = NOT necessarily true when going in the OTHER direction.   but this is just MY opinion, which is what he asked for.   Rick in VA   --part1_bb.24205a7b.2a81937a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/6/2002 2:52:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">*I* still would = not sanction changing chest styles. <BR> <BR>Anybody else got an opinion on that? <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Yup, I shure do... <BR> <BR>It is easier to take pipes voiced for pitman-style chests and re-plant = them on slider-and-pallet chests than to go the other direction. It is a = matter of making some slight adjustments to the pipe voicing and those = previously-pitman pipes will sing well enough on slider chests. this is = NOT necessarily true when going in the OTHER direction. <BR> <BR>but this is just MY opinion, which is what he asked for. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bb.24205a7b.2a81937a_boundary--