PipeChat Digest #3025 - Thursday, August 8, 2002
 
Re: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Shot Speakers (and AMPS)
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
RE: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Gravissima
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
RE: Gravissima
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Church Business
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Diragible organ company
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Shot Speakers (and AMPS)(ALTERNATIVES)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Juels[sp?]
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Gravissima
  by "Arno Schuh" <arno.schuh@in-trier.de>
RE: Gravissima
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Shot Speakers
  by "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net>
Re: Juels[sp?]
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Juels[sp?]
  by <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: Juels[sp?]
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
RE: Juels[sp?]
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
quirky stoplists...was Re fascination with low note rumble.etc.
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
RE: quirky stoplists...was Re fascination with low note rumble.et	c.
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: quirky stoplists...was Re fascination with low note rumble.et	c.
  by "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com>
RE: quirky stoplists...was Re fascination with low note rumble.et		c.
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Gravissima (&, incidentally, resultants)
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Re: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:59:54 -0400   on 8/8/02 11:57 AM, Stanley Lowkis at nstarfil@attbi.com wrote:   > > > "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote: >> >> Where was the Dirigible Organ Company located? Never heard of it. >> RBC >> > > The Company never found a home base > and as a result the firm's future > was always 'up in the air'. > > The "Hindenburg Stop", though > was Legendary. > > Stan > > Oh, the humanity!...     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Shot Speakers (and AMPS) From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:28:23 -0400   Dear list,   The best "digital" sounds ever produced STILL have to go through an amplifier and a set of speakers to be heard.   Speakers are the "weakest link" in any sound system; Organ, Public Address or even a Home Stereo.   If you fully understand how a speaker works, you then can understand how it "ages" (degrades) over time.   The signal from the amplifier goes to a motor winding inside the speaker where it acts upon an armature. Most speakers, today, use "permanent magnet" armatures. This creates, not a revolving motion (like a normal motor" but rather a "linear motion. The linear motion armature is connected to the speaker cone which actually moves the air producing the audible "sound". As has already been discussed, the surround keeps the cone in place and provides the outer support for the cone and is a major flex point.   All of the above parts AGE ! As current passes through the windings, subtle changes take place in the copper itself. This results in changes in the INDUCTANCE ( resistance) of the winding and reduces the ability to operate efficiently. Over time, the volume is increased to compensate for this, resulting in higher current flows, thus a higher rate of this aging process. The increased current flows also adversely affect the Amplifiers as well. Even the speaker wires are affected !   The armature is also affected by the current flow ( over time). If it is of the "permanent magnet" type, the constant application of the outside magnetic field from the windings changes the response characters of this "linear motor". The cones age and are susceptible to the effects of pollution and heat. Enough has already been said of the need to replace the surrounds on a regular basis.   Because all of these changes are SLOW, MINUTE, and CUMULATIVE, most times no one is particularity aware of them, but the sound HAS deteriorated. Re-coning will make a big difference, but replacing the entire speakers will make even a bigger difference !   Just as the Speakers age, so do the Amplifiers. Each component in the Amplifier ages with time and current flow(use). In professional sound applications it is quite common for Amplifiers to be removed and sent back to the factory for total rebuilding every 10 to 15 years. A resistor that originally had a resistance of 480 Ohms that now has a resistance of 520 Ohms doesn't seem like much of a difference, but with the amount of AMPLIFICATION of any present (or induced) distortion along with the original signal, this subtle change can cause quite a measurable effect.   By the time an amplifier/speaker set is 15-20 years old there has been a significant, noticeable degradation in the sound, but the people that listen to this "set" have become "acclimated" to this long term change and don't readily recognize it for what it is.   Several years ago, I was told of a study done by one of the electronic organ companies. This survey determined that ON AVERAGE an electronic organ was in situ in a church for 18 years. This is not to say that after 18 years the organ was worthless, or beyond help, just that at that point it was removed. Some were replaced by pipe organs, some by newer electronics, some churches closed, some churches went to "Praise bands" - there was no implication as to WHY the organ was removed, simply that it was.   Is it not interesting that speakers and amplifier aging becomes quite noticeable at about the same time ? How many electronic instruments were replaced rather than having the amplifiers and speakers serviced ? I would venture to guess that the average congregation member has never heard of "cone replacement, has no clue that speakers ever need any kind of service, and think that if the sound is bad the whole instrument must need replacing. Add to this mix an electronic organ salesman who is far more interested in selling a whole new instrument and the resultant 18 years average "in situ" becomes very understandable.   IF you can only do one thing, re-cone the speakers. If you have more funds available, re-build the amps and either re-cone or replace the speakers.     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.  
(back) Subject: RE: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:09:28 -0400   Well, it's lunch time here and I think I'll go have a Blimpy.   -----Original Message----- From: Randolph Runyon [mailto:runyonr@muohio.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:00 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List     on 8/8/02 11:57 AM, Stanley Lowkis at nstarfil@attbi.com wrote:   > > > "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote: >> >> Where was the Dirigible Organ Company located? Never heard of it. >> RBC >> > > The Company never found a home base > and as a result the firm's future > was always 'up in the air'. > > The "Hindenburg Stop", though > was Legendary. > > Stan > > Oh, the humanity!...     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:44 -0500   That would be Blimpie....   -----Original Message----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:09 AM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List     Well, it's lunch time here and I think I'll go have a Blimpy.   -----Original Message----- From: Randolph Runyon [mailto:runyonr@muohio.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:00 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List     on 8/8/02 11:57 AM, Stanley Lowkis at nstarfil@attbi.com wrote:   > > > "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote: >> >> Where was the Dirigible Organ Company located? Never heard of it. >> RBC >> > > The Company never found a home base > and as a result the firm's future > was always 'up in the air'. > > The "Hindenburg Stop", though > was Legendary. > > Stan > > Oh, the humanity!...     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:17:54 -0400   There ya go. That's what I'll have.   -----Original Message----- From: Storandt, Peter [mailto:pstorandt@okcu.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:11 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List     That would be Blimpie....   -----Original Message----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:09 AM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List     Well, it's lunch time here and I think I'll go have a Blimpy.   -----Original Message----- From: Randolph Runyon [mailto:runyonr@muohio.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:00 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: My Humble Appologies to the Entire List     on 8/8/02 11:57 AM, Stanley Lowkis at nstarfil@attbi.com wrote:   > > > "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote: >> >> Where was the Dirigible Organ Company located? Never heard of it. >> RBC >> > > The Company never found a home base > and as a result the firm's future > was always 'up in the air'. > > The "Hindenburg Stop", though > was Legendary. > > Stan > > Oh, the humanity!...     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Gravissima From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:17:32 -0400     On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:51:17 -0400 "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> writes: > I've not ever seen an electronic organ with a 64' stop. I really do > not see > any purpose in it on pipe organs, quite frankly. <snip>And most assuredly no organ, no matter how large the space, really requires more than 2 32' pedal stops; one flue one reed. > Basta!--RBC > Dear Robert,   To fully understand the purpose of low pitched pedal stops, one only has to attend the Christmas Eve service and hear Pat Maimone play "Silent Night" on the West Point Cadet Chapel organ using the 64' Bourdon ! On THAT organ, in THAT space the effect is a religious experience !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.  
(back) Subject: RE: Gravissima From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:26:32 -0400   This is exactly what I meant when I talked about the playing of Messer. Courboin at St. Patrick's. No doubt a wonderful experience. I was just an ambience and indescribably delicious. RBC       To fully understand the purpose of low pitched pedal stops, one only has to attend the Christmas Eve service and hear Pat Maimone play "Silent Night" on the West Point Cadet Chapel organ using the 64' Bourdon ! On THAT organ, in THAT space the effect is a religious experience !      
(back) Subject: Church Business From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:29:00 EDT   Keith Morgan writes:     >=C6olian-Skinner was screwed many times by these >"Christian" organizations. <<   And they were not alone in the experience, Keith. One learns early on that=20 there are two sides to churches ~ the spiritual aspect and the business=20 aspect. These two are not always found to be compatible and that is=20 unfortunate for the unwary who "trust" the business side to be influenced by= =20 the spiritual side.   This is not a blanket indictment of churches in general. It is just that=20 there are enough of them that engage in less than acceptable business=20 practices that all are affected. This is never more true than in the organ=20 service industry.   Best wishes,=20 Jim Pitts    
(back) Subject: Re: Diragible organ company From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:42:01 EDT     --part1_188.c0d3cb0.2a83f959_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I have never heard of it either. But I can tell you that they did not = build the organ in the Cathedral of the Ait at Lakehurst Naval Air Station. It's = a Wicks. I know, I have the service contract there. It's a 2 manual with the =   Swell in a chamber and the Great / Pedal 'floating' above the trancept in = a 'flower box'. The pitch 'floats' all over the place too.   Alan B   --part1_188.c0d3cb0.2a83f959_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have never heard of = it either. But I can tell you that they did not build the organ in the = Cathedral of the Ait at Lakehurst Naval Air Station. It's a Wicks. I know, = I have the service contract there. It's a 2 manual with the Swell in a = chamber and the Great / Pedal 'floating' above the trancept in a 'flower = box'. The pitch 'floats' all over the place too. <BR> <BR>Alan B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_188.c0d3cb0.2a83f959_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Shot Speakers (and AMPS)(ALTERNATIVES) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:43:56 EDT   I think we can safely say that when the speakers and amps. have to be serviced or replaced, it's time to consider a new organ. An early analog or MOS system simply doesn't sound as good as the new work. Electronics by nature are expendable after 25-30 years of service. There are replacement systems out there now such as Eminent, Musicom, Saville, Phoenix which have good track records, along with Walker. The console shell is refurbished, and new organ components installed along with new amps. and speakers. These are voiceable, produce an acceptable pipe like sound, and make a lot more sense than throwing money at an old technology. These are small companies, that can produce acceptable results at a reasonable cost. Some of these if not all can be upgraded which is an advantage to the buyer. Several on this list do this work either in the church or in their shops. It's worth calling them for a quote and a CD of there latest opus. Some use digital samples, and others modeling techniques. Either way, a much more acceptable instrument to be proud of than throwing away money on an antiquated old system.   I won't make a dime for this endorsement, but I do think it's a sensible alternative to consider. Copeman Hart is also into this mix, and uses new console shells. The choice is really yours.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Juels[sp?] From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:54:37 -0400   Yet another question concerning organs, digital organs. Can anyone on this list recommend the proper circuit breaker for a medium sized digital = organ? A Johannus Sweelinck 10 to be precise. I know nothing of these things and = I see them now touting "Juels" (I may have misspelled that, but even if I = did you know what I am referring to). The various sizes list on the packaging what you can use that particular circuit breaker for, i.e., televisions, computers, or whatever. But, and of course, none lists Organs although = they do list keyboards, but a small Casio may require less Juels than my large organ does. So can anyone recommend what "strength" circuit breaker is best for the organ I list above? Thank you, RBC      
(back) Subject: Re: Gravissima From: "Arno Schuh" <arno.schuh@in-trier.de> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:01:49 +0200     From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>     > I've not ever seen an electronic organ with a 64' stop.   IIrc. the Walker Digital at South Shores Church, Monarch Beach, designed = by Dan Miller, has two 64s.   Arno      
(back) Subject: RE: Gravissima From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:05:18 -0400   Goodness gracious why?   -----Original Message----- From: Arno Schuh [mailto:arno.schuh@in-trier.de] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:02 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Gravissima       From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>     > I've not ever seen an electronic organ with a 64' stop.   IIrc. the Walker Digital at South Shores Church, Monarch Beach, designed = by Dan Miller, has two 64s.   Arno       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Shot Speakers From: "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:15:55 -0700   > If all that is intact, the suspension ring could fail as you state also, which can be replaced at a fraction of the cost of the new speaker. I thought I mentioned that fact earlier. Moreover there are speaker repair outfits that will re-coil or even re-cone your driver, again ususally at a fraction of the original cost. Certainly much less than overpriced ......well I wont say... but the initials are RS.   -------------------------------- You may have mentioned it. I get digest, so I do miss a bit. When I = re-did the speakers in my home organ, I replaced the 8" speakers because the cost of replacing them was not that much greater than the cost of replacing the suspension ring, taking my time into account. As to the 12" and 15" speakers, those I re-ringed as they cost considerably more to replace.   I did use a couple RS speakers, but when I made the decision to finish the job, I ordered 2 cases of 24 speakers from Mitek in Wisconsin. Net cost = was around $10-12 each, I think.   D          
(back) Subject: Re: Juels[sp?] From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:36:37 EDT   Dear Robert:   Call your Johannes dealer, there must be at least one in all of NYC.   Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: Juels[sp?] From: <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:41:08 -0500   Hi, Robert --   Your organ should be fine in any standard 15 or 20 Amp branch circuit you might find in your home. If you're having a circuit added all the better -- splurge for a surge-protected breaker switch for good measure.   Your organ, speaking electrically, is roughly equivalent to a large home-entertainment and/or computer system in terms of general load requirements. It's not a huge power-consuming device like, for instance, = an electric stove or dryer.   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR   PS -- I think it's actually "joules" ;-)   At 12:54 PM 8/8/2002 -0400, Robert wrote: >Can anyone on this >list recommend the proper circuit breaker for a medium sized digital = organ? >A Johannus Sweelinck 10 to be precise.    
(back) Subject: Re: Juels[sp?] From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:45:59 -0500   A standard 15 Amp circuit is all you need for the Sweelinck 10, but to safeguard the electronics in case of an electrical failure (lightning, brownouts, etc.) use a good Surge Suppressor. Note: The Sweelinck 10 draws about 500 Watts when the amplifiers are at their maximum volume (BTW, this is very rare, especially in a house), your 15 Amp circuit has about 1600 W available.   Gary   ----- Original Message ----- From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:54 AM Subject: Juels[sp?]     > Yet another question concerning organs, digital organs. Can anyone on = this > list recommend the proper circuit breaker for a medium sized digital organ? > A Johannus Sweelinck 10 to be precise. I know nothing of these things = and I > see them now touting "Juels" (I may have misspelled that, but even if I did > you know what I am referring to). The various sizes list on the = packaging > what you can use that particular circuit breaker for, i.e., televisions, > computers, or whatever. But, and of course, none lists Organs although they > do list keyboards, but a small Casio may require less Juels than my = large > organ does. > So can anyone recommend what "strength" circuit breaker is best for the > organ I list above? > Thank you, > RBC > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: RE: Juels[sp?] From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:50:18 -0400   Thanks Tim. See just how ignorant I am about this I actually meant to ask about surge-protectors not circuit breakers. Circuit breakers are the equivalent "fuses" and I have fuses in my apt not circuit breakers. It's surge-protectors that hare measured in, as you rightly spell them, joules. So you think which ever is used on a home-entertainment system is = sufficient for the SW10 organ? Is that correct?   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Your organ should be fine in any standard 15 or 20 Amp branch circuit you might find in your home. If you're having a circuit added all the better -- splurge for a surge-protected breaker switch for good measure.   Your organ, speaking electrically, is roughly equivalent to a large home-entertainment and/or computer system in terms of general load requirements. It's not a huge power-consuming device like, for instance, = an electric stove or dryer.   Tim Bovard    
(back) Subject: quirky stoplists...was Re fascination with low note rumble.etc. From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:54:06 -0500   Hey gang...as long as we're discussing stoplists etc. I know of a terrible installation done, where the 8' Trompete is horizontal. Only other reed is an 8' oboe. To make matters worse. it's played in the pedal (the trompete) at 16'. as you play down the scale...suddenly after tenor c....no sound? could this be an "oversight" by the builder. The organ has several other notable features. It cost a lot, old noisy chests were used, and its' so full of leaks you can stand in the choir stall and have your hair blown dry.   this job was done by a "respected" member of the organ building community. he's an expert....just ask him!   but...I suppose we all are <G>   jon bertschinger  
(back) Subject: RE: quirky stoplists...was Re fascination with low note rumble.et c. From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:56:04 -0400   and its' so full of leaks you can stand in the choir stall and have your hair blown dry. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Now THAT'S funny. But useful.  
(back) Subject: Re: quirky stoplists...was Re fascination with low note rumble.et c. From: "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:11:58 -0400   I disagree that it's funny. And, as to whether or not it's useful, that would depend on how much hair you have left. If it works for you, Robert, you should count your blessings! Not all of us are that fortunate. <g>     ----- Original Message ----- From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: RE: quirky stoplists...was Re fascination with low note rumble.et c.     > and its' so full of leaks you can stand > in the choir stall and have your hair blown dry. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Now THAT'S funny. But useful. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: RE: quirky stoplists...was Re fascination with low note rumble.et c. From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:16:46 -0400   You're absolutely right. From an organ point of view it's not funny at all and, in fact, quite sad. It's funny from a slapstick shtick point of view, that's what I meant. Hair is not a blessing, it's hair or not. Bald is in, man.   ----     I disagree that it's funny. And, as to whether or not it's useful, that would depend on how much hair you have left. If it works for you, Robert, you should count your blessings! Not all of us are that fortunate. <g>    
(back) Subject: Re: Gravissima (&, incidentally, resultants) From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:26:49 +1200   I'm going to toss a comment in here and wait for your reactions. In my experience, the bottom 5 or 6 of a 32ft as resultants are often BETTER = than the real thing. It may well be just the flukey experiences of not having heard more than a dozen or so real 32ft flues, but that is the impression = I have. The scale needs to be far bigger for those bottom few notes than = you'd theoretically expect, if you want good bottom notes, hence my (admittedly-exaggerated) guess about the scale of 64ft CCCCC. Comments? Ross -----Original Message----- From: M Fox <ophicleide16@direcway.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:52 AM Subject: Re: Gravissima (&, incidentally, resultants)     > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <. For my >> part, I find 32ft CCCC is magnificently low enough and does internal >things >> to me that I rather enjoy in a reverberant building like York Minster = or >St >> Paul's London, or Liverpool or Grace San Francisco. > >Amen! And be it noted that the bottom 5 notes of the 32' Diapason at = Grace >Cathedral are resultants. They sure fool me. > >Michael Fox >> > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >