PipeChat Digest #3027 - Friday, August 9, 2002
 
Re: Johannes Organs
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: The "trouble" with pipe organs
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
APOLOGY FOR MISSENT REMARK
  by "Douglas Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
Re: restoring Skinners, pistons, etc.
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Gravissima
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: Juels[sp?]
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: quirky stoplists...was Re fascination with low note rumble.etc.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Johannes Organs From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:39:30 EDT     --part1_10c.15b7de77.2a847752_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Phil,   Are you considering buying a Johannes for yourself or a church? Our =   church Organ Committee and I spent over one year listening, playing and finding out about all the digital organs. Needless to say, we went with an =   Allen Renaissance pipe/digital combination. The digital voices are quite outstanding. Johannes, Rodgers and Allen all make fine instruments, BUT = there is a difference with the Allen Renaissance. The sound and technology of = the Allen Renaissance are far ahead of the other digital organs.Stop and play = and listen to one!! You will be astounded!! Good Luck!!   Daniel   --part1_10c.15b7de77.2a847752_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Dear Phil,<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you considering buying a Johannes = for yourself or a church? Our church&nbsp; Organ&nbsp; Committee and I = spent over one year listening, playing and finding out about all the = digital organs. Needless to say, we went with an Allen Renaissance = pipe/digital combination. The digital voices are quite outstanding. = Johannes, Rodgers and Allen all make fine instruments, BUT there is a = difference with the Allen Renaissance. The sound and technology of the = Allen Renaissance are far ahead of the other digital organs.Stop and play = and listen to one!! You will be astounded!! Good Luck!!<BR> <BR> &nbsp; Daniel</FONT></HTML>   --part1_10c.15b7de77.2a847752_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The "trouble" with pipe organs From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:39:20 EDT   Jim Hailey comments:     >I just fought a two month battle with those that could really care less >about an organ and their ideas of worship are centered around things such = as >youth, family life centers and similar non-service oriented activities. = I >found out real quick that if the organ was going to take away from their >precious projects that it could just go away. <<   This is not a rare fight you waged, Jim. It is becoming more pronounced annually as churches face what every institution must face ~ survival. = The more that can be involved in various ministries, the better for the bottom =   line which must be given at least a glance as expenses will accrue regardless. Any item that significantly impacts revenues generated toward =   growth, expansion, and building campaigns will have a hard time gaining approval. This is especially true with organs due to their rather hefty prices. I cannot speak for all areas of the country, but the above is becoming ever so true among evangelical churches in the South and = southwest. There are those who adhere to tradition despite pressures to "adapt." My local Methodist district closed three of those churches last conference = year and two more are destined for closure this year because of declining membership and the inability to carry their own financial weight within = the Conference. This new evangelical movement is not restricted to a single denomination. It is becoming more widespread with time and circumstances.   Best wishes, Jim Pitts    
(back) Subject: APOLOGY FOR MISSENT REMARK From: "Douglas Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:44:22 -0700 (PDT)   I must apologize to Sebastian M Gl=FCck and to all other members of PIPECHAT for the unfortunate remark which I intended to go privately to another member, but somehow ended up on PIPECHAT.   In the future, I will be very careful to see that the "To:" box above is correctly addressed.   D. Keith Morgan   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com  
(back) Subject: Re: restoring Skinners, pistons, etc. From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:12:11 -0400     On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:03:10 -0700 quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > Sorry, have to disagree with friend Ron ... Woolsey Hall has received > a > museum-quality restoration at the hands of A. Thompson-Allen & Co., > including the remote capture machines, and it is a JOY to play in > ALL regards. >   I think that is well, just and commendable, HOWEVER, specifically in the case of Woolsey, I think that a SECOND console visually and dimensionally identical to the first, BUT with a multi level combination system would be a "very good thing". This IS a teaching instrument and for that reason a multiple memory system would allow each student to devote their practice time to Practice, rather than PISTON SETTING.   This is also a reason for having a memory system on any new instrument ( or rebuild except for those few "historical significant" instruments). I can't count the number of times I have watched "visiting" organists hunched over a console, documenting the existing pistons so that they can be restored at the end of each practice session.   People, TEACHING has got to take on a new revival if there are to be enough organists in the future. Every church soul be actively trying to encourage organ students, and if a memory system will facilitate that - SO MUCH THE BETTER.   BTW, if you are getting a solid state relay, the memory system isn't that much more expensive.   Now, do I think that a 20 rank organ NEEDS 100 levels of memory ?????? If it is a practice instrument in a music school - YES   If it is in a church that seats 75 people - it probably doesn't, but a few levels of memory wouldn't hurt a bit,   I see the primary advantage of multiple memory combination systems as being a facilitation to having multiple ORGANISTS being able to use the "machine" easily, rather than promoting "sloppy" registration techniques.     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.  
(back) Subject: Re: Gravissima From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:09:37 +0000   Dear List That wonderful rumble - whether the 32' Open Wood or Bombardon - adds something special to that special occasion - as Douglas campbell said. However it can be done perfectly effectively with electronics, thus saving =   the cost of 32' pipes. Even 30 years ago St David's Cathedral in Wales had =   an electronic 32' reed added to the Hill organ - I played there for a week =   in the summer of 69' including a recital and, just as the old Peterborough =   Cathedral Tuba added an unforgettable climax to the Franck E major, this gave the desired spasmic boost to the end of the A minor. John Foss   _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx    
(back) Subject: Re: Juels[sp?] From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:00:01 EDT     --part1_ea.2be4e751.2a84d081_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/8/02 4:55:24 PM !!!First Boot!!!, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > Yet another question concerning organs, digital organs. Can anyone on = this > list recommend the proper circuit breaker for a medium sized digital = organ? >   A large mallet should do it!!! ;-) heeheehee   Bruce in the Muttestery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_ea.2be4e751.2a84d081_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/8/02 4:55:24 PM !!!First Boot!!!, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yet another = question concerning organs, digital organs. Can anyone on this <BR>list recommend the proper circuit breaker for a medium sized digital = organ? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>A large mallet should do it!!! &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;heeheehee <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttestery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ea.2be4e751.2a84d081_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: quirky stoplists...was Re fascination with low note rumble.etc. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:03:10 EDT     --part1_ba.2a3038d8.2a84d13e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/8/02 5:54:23 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jonberts@magiccablepc.com writes:     > Hey gang...as long as we're discussing stoplists etc. I know of > a terrible installation done, where the 8' Trompete is > horizontal. Only other reed is an 8' oboe.   The recent penchant for LOUD has given horizontal reeds a bad rap! I = have heard a goodly number of horizontal reeds of various tonalities from = Trompet to Dulzian and Regals (Trompetregals are wunnerful!) that are very = exciting, but do not obliterate. Having the pipe horizontally placed gives the = sound an extra bite. The stop does not have to be loud. The effect of a mile horizontal reed is a wonderful addition to the ensemble.   Bruce in the Muttestery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_ba.2a3038d8.2a84d13e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/8/02 5:54:23 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jonberts@magiccablepc.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hey gang...as long = as we're discussing stoplists etc. &nbsp;I know of <BR>a terrible installation done, where the 8' Trompete is <BR>horizontal. Only other reed is an 8' oboe.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>The recent penchant for LOUD has given horizontal reeds a bad rap! = &nbsp;&nbsp;I have heard a goodly number of horizontal reeds of various = tonalities from Trompet to Dulzian and Regals (Trompetregals are = wunnerful!) that are very exciting, but do not obliterate. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Having the pipe horizontally placed gives the sound an extra = bite. &nbsp;The stop does not have to be loud. &nbsp;The effect of a mile = horizontal reed is a wonderful addition to the ensemble. <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttestery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ba.2a3038d8.2a84d13e_boundary--