PipeChat Digest #3033 - Sunday, August 11, 2002
 
Drawknobs
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Hammonds
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Hammonds
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
RE: New Topics
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: What maybe we SHOULD be talking about
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
semi-new topic
  by "J. Nathan" <jnatpat@infi.net>
Re: semi-new topic
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
RE: semi-new topic
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net>
Re: Drawknobs
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: semi-new topic
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: semi-new topic
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Johannus Organs
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net>
Re: what we maybe SHOULD be talking about
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: semi-new topic
  by "John & Fran Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net>
Re: semi-new topic
  by "noel jones" <zimbelstern@onemain.com>
RE: semi-new topic
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: what we maybe SHOULD be talking about
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
service list (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
(no subject)
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Drawknobs From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:27:16 -0500   Well, Richard, since you asked: I think terraced drawknobs look weird since they're not that common on American organs. I've never played one, but they look more convenient than traditional cheek drawknobs.   Drawknobs are functional on a traditional slider chest; IMNSHO they are NOT a convenient way to change registration! It's much simpler to flip stop tabs on or off; even tilting tablets are a bit more convenient. Unless one has a mechanical stop action tracker or a STRONG desire for a traditional look, I'd say lose the drawknobs altogether; they no longer serve a function efficiently.   Dennis Steckley ______________________ Someplace in the middle of last weeks "discussions" I asked the list for their input about their thoughts on drawknob layout on TERRACED Consoles. Know how many responses I got? Two.        
(back) Subject: Hammonds From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:36:58 -0500   I'm glad to hear that since my "new" Hammond RT-2 is due to arrive this week, adding to my "collection." Here are TWO Hammond questions for you:   1. For some reason, Hammond people rave about the percussion feature; I had an RT-3, and never found any reasonable use for it. I don't play jazz--is it the jazz folk who like it? Since I could add a Trek unit to the RT-2, I want to know what it would do for me if I did.   2. Hammond enthusiasts are always talking about "key click or pop" and how it was a distinguishing feature of tonewheel organs and how it came to be seen as something of an asset. I owned an RT-3 and have played numerous tonewheel B3-C3s and spinets, and never heard a key click or pop from ANY of 'em. What am I missing--and why can't I--with good hearing and a reasonably musical ear--figure it out? Or maybe I just had/played "good" Hammonds.   Dennis Steckley _______________________ Now, let me preface what I'm going to say by saying THIS: the list-owners (who are pipe organ builders) and those of us who are professional organists and organ consultants are ALWAYS HAPPY to answer ANY legitimate question regarding the pipe organ, no matter how basic or simple that question may be. In addition, David Scribner and I and several others have a fair amount of knowledge of older analog electronics and Hammonds. While there ARE lists for those, we'll also be happy to answer questions in those areas to the best of our ability, and if WE don't know, we probably know who DOES.      
(back) Subject: Re: Hammonds From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:05:33 -0500   Hi list, I had to play on a Hammond Organ yesterday for a wedding and had and still have no clue on how to set them up. Help on that matter would = be appreciated. Thanks. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:36 AM Subject: Hammonds     > I'm glad to hear that since my "new" Hammond RT-2 is due to arrive this > week, adding to my "collection." Here are TWO Hammond questions for > you: > > 1. For some reason, Hammond people rave about the percussion feature; I > had an RT-3, and never found any reasonable use for it. I don't play > jazz--is it the jazz folk who like it? Since I could add a Trek unit to > the RT-2, I want to know what it would do for me if I did. > > 2. Hammond enthusiasts are always talking about "key click or pop" and > how it was a distinguishing feature of tonewheel organs and how it came > to be seen as something of an asset. I owned an RT-3 and have played > numerous tonewheel B3-C3s and spinets, and never heard a key click or > pop from ANY of 'em. What am I missing--and why can't I--with good > hearing and a reasonably musical ear--figure it out? Or maybe I just > had/played "good" Hammonds. > > Dennis Steckley > _______________________ > Now, let me preface what I'm going to say by saying THIS: the > list-owners (who are pipe organ builders) and those of us who are > professional organists and organ consultants are ALWAYS HAPPY to answer > ANY legitimate question regarding the pipe organ, no matter how basic or > simple that question may be. In addition, David Scribner and I and > several others have a fair amount of knowledge of older analog > electronics and Hammonds. While there ARE lists for those, we'll also be > happy to answer questions in those areas to the best of our ability, and > if WE don't know, we probably know who DOES. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: RE: New Topics From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:07:38 +0100   Great Gods!   A new topic at last!   Well, should an organist EVER be a pianist? Doesn't piano technique = just RUIN organ technique?   Think about it.....there were no pianists in the "Golden Age" who went = on to become organists.   I think the Harpsichord is a far better starter instrument.....finger = substitution technique and all that.   In any event, the Piano is a mere stepping stone to the King of = INstruments   :)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   (Sitting on his hands in a bomb shelter!)       -----Original Message----- From: "pipechat@pipechat.org" <pipechat@pipechat.org> on behalf of = "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Sent: 11 August 2002 09:16 To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: New Topics           ....How long should a Pianist be educated before even considering playing the Pipe Organ?      
(back) Subject: Re: What maybe we SHOULD be talking about From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:25:17 EDT   Over the past few years, the major organ chat lists have lost some of their best writers and knowledgeable practitioners because they are fed up =   with being attacked. The attrition factor is high because those with practical experience = in playing, documenting, designing, pricing, drafting, engineering, conservation, restoration, scaling, building, installing, voicing, and finishing pipe organs do not have much time on their hands; when their heartfelt posts about theory and experience are greeted with bitterness, acrimony, and hate, they stop posting. They would rather write a book, or = a magazine article, where they feel that their target audience is receptive = and appreciative. There are, in fact, some very important organbuilders on these lists = who simply do not post AT ALL. They just watch to see what people are saying = and thinking. I wonder if they might contribute if the atmosphere were safer.  
(back) Subject: semi-new topic From: "J. Nathan" <jnatpat@infi.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:26:46 -0500   Soooooooo.....new topic. How was the music at everyone's church this morning? How did you play? Any funny/touching/embarassing stories....   puhleeeeeze....   JNathan... ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:49 PM Subject: Re: Game Results     > It is exactly nonsense like this that makes me want to leave the list.        
(back) Subject: Re: semi-new topic From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:17:57 EDT   In a message dated 8/11/02 1:27:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = jnatpat@infi.net writes:   << How was the music at everyone's church this morning? How did you play? Any funny/touching/embarassing stories.... >>   Well since you asked: we had a woodwind trio (with yours truly on bassoon) =   along with a flutist who is also a music teacher and a clarinetist who resumed playing last year after not having touched a clarinet for 30 years =   (however, she has played recorder for the last 6 years or so). We ended = up doing transcriptions of two Bach pieces (a movement from a trio sonata and = a chorale prelude). But we had to tell the organist he couldn't play along with us because the organ is about 1/2 step flat (one of the reasons we really need to do something about it). We also did a movement from a Beethoven trio, and also a movement from a Haydn trio. People seemed to = like it, and most stayed in the nave for the entire postlude. Fortunately, the =   local "street-crazy" (and I hate to use that term, but it is applicable) didn't get up and dance during any of our music, although he has at other times.  
(back) Subject: RE: semi-new topic From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:16:33 -0700   Music went well... powerpoint presentation took a dump, so we reverted to hymnals for the first service, I spent the sermon time feverishly = rebuilding the presentation for the 2nd service. Due to high temperatures, the organ was at a ear-bending A-448 this morning... the reeds were MOST unhappy!   I managed (by God's grace) to keep my cool and still play well despite having a pressured morning   Technology... a double-edged sword!   Jonathan Orwig Pastor of Worship First Baptist Church of Riverside, CA USA ----------------------------------------- Organist, composer, computer geek     semi-new topic > > > Soooooooo.....new topic. > How was the music at everyone's church this morning? > How did you play? > Any funny/touching/embarassing stories.... > > puhleeeeeze....   --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 08/02/2002      
(back) Subject: Re: Drawknobs From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:00:31 +0000   Dear list, Having been brought up on a 4 manual Harrison and Harrison with polished ebony and gleaming ivory stopknobs laid out in the traditional way - three =   vertical columns on either side of the keyboards with 2 columns of = staggered stops on each I have no doubt that this is visually the most attractive - though terraced stop knobs can also be aesthetically plasing. Ste Sulpice = is like reading an old leather bound book - it is a piece of history. I think =   most of us like what we know best - but from a practical point of view lining up the stops in a terrace from left to right with flues 16 - = Mixtures then the reeds seems to be a comfortable arrangement - each keyboard with its own registers. The couplers are best placed with the department they relate to, though some people prefer them grouped separately above the = keys. Colour coding helps. If it is an instrument you play regularly you will = soon get used to it - if you are a visiting recitalist you should do your homework, and if called in at the last moment, your best. John Foss   _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: semi-new topic From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:00:40 -0400   on 8/11/02 1:26 PM, J. Nathan at jnatpat@infi.net wrote:   > Soooooooo.....new topic. > How was the music at everyone's church this morning? > How did you play? > Any funny/touching/embarassing stories.... > > puhleeeeeze.... > > JNathan... >   Prelude: Choral Prelude on Seelenbrautigaum by Robert Elmore. I chose = this because we sang "Jesus Still Lead On", to that tune of course, as the = second hymn. (Unfortunately, I didn't look closely enough at the words: what a downer.) I like this Elmore piece--does anyone know it? I was hesitating between it and the Karg-Elert setting, but in the end opted for the Elmore because (1) I didn't want to have to wood-shed the Karg-Elert, and (2) I figured the Elmore was more accessible to the congregation.   Vocal Solo: 'Twas Even Here Those Words Were Spoken, by Jules Massenet (1889). I found this in a collection of soprano solos from oratorios and fell in love with it immediately. Almost erotic in its beauty. So I gave it to my volunteer soprano and she did such a good job people clapped. I see on the web that the oratorio was performed in a church in NYC on May 14th (Church of St. Ignatius Loyola, Park Avenue and 84th Street). Now = that would be a great Easter cantata!   Offertory: Precious Lord, Take My Hand. Arranged by piano by Mark Hayes. I moved our ca. 1934 Baldwin grand from the choir room into the sanctuary this spring, had it re-voiced and tuned. It's been a great success, = though I heard that five years ago or so one of my predecessors had tried moving = it into the sanctuary and he was made to move it back to the choir room after = a few weeks. Any change is upsetting to some folks. Anyway, I've had many people thank me for bringing it in and putting it to use. I accompanied = the Massenet on it this morning and typically do so for summer solos. I = played it when my choir sang Keith Hampton's Praise His Holy Name this April. = (Now that's a fun piece!) A couple of Sundays ago I had to play the entire service on the piano because the organ was getting repaired. I did = Chopin's Fantaisie-Impromptu for the prelude and am still getting compliments = (sorry for the self-congratulation). The Mark Hayes arrangement I played today = is classically bluesy and jazzy, very well written. People loved it, at = least those who said anything. I didn't realize until after I had already programmed it that it fit the gospel and the sermon so well: we have a stained glass window of Jesus walking on the water and holding Peter's = hand as he pulls him up out of the waves, and the preacher called our attention to it during the sermon.   Postlude: Hornpipe from Water Music, by Handel. This was serendipitous too, but I doubt if anyone noticed. I have to play it at weddings all the time so I thought I might as well play it in church. We have a tuba-like trumpet on the great that sounded pretty good, but the combined swell and choir is not quite beefy enough to carry off the rest, which I would have played on the great were it not that I need the great for the reed.   Worry for the day: I get more compliments in church when I play the piano than when I play the organ. Apart from the possibility that I may be a little better at the former than the latter (darn!) there is also the fact that (1) people can see me play the piano but as the organ console is in = the rear balcony they cannot see me at all when I play the pipes so they miss the visual component (I'm drawing this interpretation from what some have told me), and (2) piano music just speaks to more people than organ music does, at least in my demographic. Alas!   No choir today, as it's summer vacation. Though they should all show up = at my house in about an hour for a picnic. I'm torn between hoping I have enough beer and hoping they'll drink all the beer I bought that I would = not normally drink as I'm more a oenophile.   Well, they call it pipe CHAT....     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu          
(back) Subject: Re: semi-new topic From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:02:33 -0400   on 8/11/02 2:16 PM, Jonathan Orwig at giwro@earthlink.net wrote:   > Music went well... powerpoint presentation took a dump, so we reverted = to > hymnals for the first service, I spent the sermon time feverishly = rebuilding > the presentation for the 2nd service. > Due to high temperatures, the organ was at a ear-bending A-448 this > morning... the reeds were MOST unhappy! > > I managed (by God's grace) to keep my cool and still play well despite > having a pressured morning > > Technology... a double-edged sword! > > Jonathan Orwig > Pastor of Worship > First Baptist Church of Riverside, CA USA   What's this powerpoint stuff, Jonathan? Do you mean projecting the words = to the hymns on a wall? And that you're the one who has to do it?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Johannus Organs From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:38:34 -0400   I don't understand ?   Antoni   Administrator wrote: > > At 7:49 AM -0400 08/11/2002, Antoni Scott wrote: > >Which is better, the latest Allen or the latest Johannus ? > > > >Antoni Scott > > PLEASE - That this over to the EORG-L list!! > > David > -- > **************************************** > David Scribner > Owner / Co-Administrator > PipeChat > > http://www.pipechat.org > mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: what we maybe SHOULD be talking about From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:41:31 EDT     --part1_3a.2ac70a03.2a8817eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bud, you have brought up some interesting points. No, I can't tune a = piano, but I know when to call a tuner (should have been two years ago). And I don't know about the working of a pipe organ, or electronic organ. I know =   enough to be dangerous. I am going to copy your list and do some research = on the topics, and ask questions when I am stumped. Maybe this old "dog" can =   learn some new tricks. Lee   --part1_3a.2ac70a03.2a8817eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bud, you have brought = up some interesting points. &nbsp;No, I can't tune a piano, but I know = when to call a tuner (should have been two years ago). &nbsp;And I don't = know about the working of a pipe organ, or electronic organ. &nbsp;I know = enough to be dangerous. &nbsp;I am going to copy your list and do some = research on the topics, and ask questions when I am stumped. &nbsp;Maybe = this old "dog" can learn some new tricks. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3a.2ac70a03.2a8817eb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: semi-new topic From: "John & Fran Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:55:21 -0700   We had a supply minister from the Navy Chaplain Corps at our ELCA church this mornng. Poor guy. When I saw the acolyte proceed up the aisle I = started the organ prelude. Then Chaplain Bill was suppossed to proceed up and be seated until I finished. When the acolyte left the altar, all the candles blew out. In the narthex, chaplain, acolyte and music director were trying to find a match to light the thingee that lights the candles. My prelude = was over but the chaplain wouldn't go up until the candles were lit again. Nobody smokes anymore (this IS Southern California). So there was dead silence. Finally, someone found a match. I didn't know what was the = problem and kept waiting. Oh well, all of us laughed about it afterwards. Fran Meyers ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Nathan" <jnatpat@infi.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: semi-new topic     > Soooooooo.....new topic. > How was the music at everyone's church this morning? > How did you play? > Any funny/touching/embarassing stories.... > > puhleeeeeze.... > > JNathan... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: Game Results > > > > It is exactly nonsense like this that makes me want to leave the list. > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: semi-new topic From: "noel jones" <zimbelstern@onemain.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:56:32 -0400   > Any change is upsetting to some folks.   > Worry for the day: I get more compliments in church when I play the = piano > than when I play the organ.   You've hit the nail on the head: That's the difficult thing about working = with churches...you get compliments when changes are made because they are noticed...at the same time the changes irritate others because they notice = too!   Mark Hayes's arrangements are wonderful. -- noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa ------------------------------- frog music press rodgers organ users group www.frogmusic.com      
(back) Subject: RE: semi-new topic From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:37:33 +0100   Hello,   A timely one if ever there was.......   "Fresh" from Holland followed by a 100 mile drive, I fell asleep in the = middle of a hymn this morning!   I immediately awoke and continued to play total grabage until the end of = the verse.............   Oooops!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK        
(back) Subject: Re: what we maybe SHOULD be talking about From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:15:03 -0500   On 8/10/02 8:44 PM, quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > That said, it has been demonstrated OVER AND OVER AGAIN that a LOT of > organists take LITTLE or NO INTEREST in how their instrument is put > together, and/or what makes it tick.   Hi Bud,   Couldn't agree more. I came to the organ as a choirboy absolutely = fascinated with the mechanical-electro complexity of the Casavant at St. John's Cathedral in Winnipeg. My organist/choirmaster WAS knowledgeable about the inner workings of pipe organs and nutured that interest in me. We spent = many happy hours exploring the pipe chambers, learning about how the action worked, why the various pipes sounded the way they did, etc., etc. It was one of the happiest times of my life and obviously Don's nurturing worked = - I've been an organist/choirmaster for almost 45 years now.   I've taken the trouble to acquire a lot of book-learning about pipe organs but unfortunately haven't had the opportunity to augment that with = hands-on knowledge (apart from playing of course). Now that I'm retired, I'm = starting to lay plans to build an organ of my own. First, got to free up some = space, then we'll see.   In the meantime, I for one would sure welcome more discussion along the lines you suggest.   Best wishes, Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: service list (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:27:14 -0700   St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church Newport Beach CA       Sung Holy Communion at 9   Voluntary - Elevation in g minor - Benoit (OK, OK, I've been sick in bed for a week ... I didn't practice) Processional Hymn - A Mighty Fortress - Ein feste Burg Setting - Merbecke/Scottish Chant Sequence Hymn - Come, Pure Hearts in Sweetest Measure - Cobb Offertory Voluntary - Duo - Benoit Communion Hymn - Let Thy Blood In Mercy Poured - Luis Kneeling Hymn - Day By Day - Sumner Recessional Hymn - Hasten The Time Appointed - Lancashire Voluntary - cute little thing in the form of a noel from the Benoit book, just 'cause I FELT like it ... so THERE (grin)   No choir, no soloist, just me ... it's summer-time (grin)       High Mass at 11   Voluntary - Elevation in g minor - Benoit Processional Hymn - A Mighty Fortress - Ein feste Burg Introit - Deus in loco sancto suo - Tone 7 Setting - Merbecke/Scottish Chant Gradual - In Deo speravit - Tone 6 Alleluia - Exsultate Deo - Tone 6 Offertory - Exaltabo te - C. Rossini arr. Clark Communion - Honora Dominum - Gregorian, mode 6 Communion Hymn - Let Thy Blood In Mercy Poured - Luis Kneeling Hymn - Day By Day - Sumner Recessional Hymn - Hasten The Time Appointed - Lancashire Voluntary - cute little thing in the form of a noel from the Benoit book   With a soloist, and we were supposed to do "Love Bade Me Welcome", but I cut my hand last night ... not serious, but I knew it'd be stiff this morning, so I put it off a week.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: (no subject) From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:37:20 EDT     --part1_80.1fcacb54.2a883310_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 08/11/2002 5:11:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ctackett1@qwest.net writes:     I'm a newcomer to the list... (much removed for bevity)> > Topic Two: Why does it seem to me that no one is ever happy or satisfied > with the instrument that they have? > My question: Why do people do that? I guess it's human nature to want = what > we don't have, but why do perfectly good instruments that don't conform = to > one person's idea of one historical period have to be remade into = something > that is ultimately neither fish nor fowl? This Moller was no longer an > orchestral organ, but it was never a proper Baroque organ either.   We service a nice pipe organ. At one time, it was a powerful instrument = made by an Ohio company. However, somewhere along the way, someone wanted a = softer instrument, so they had the organ company come in, close the toe holes, = and in other ways soften the sound. Now the organ is hard to keep in tune = because the softer pipes cannot be tuned properly. (is it that the pipe goes sharp =   when the toe holes are closed or the other way around?) At any rate, the tuning slides run to the edge of some of the pipes before that pipe can be =   tuned.   Again, the question is "WHY?" Why mess with what the builder has already assembled and voiced into a beautiful sound? Why ruin the delicate balance = of the organ builders' creative efforts?   At any rate, Chris, welcome to the pipechat.   Stan Krider   --part1_80.1fcacb54.2a883310_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 08/11/2002 5:11:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ctackett1@qwest.net = writes:<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0">&nbsp; I'm a = newcomer to the list... (much removed for bevity)<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE = style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR> Topic Two: Why does it seem to me that no one is ever happy or = satisfied<BR> with the instrument that they have? <BR> My question: Why do people do that? I guess it's human nature to want = what<BR> we don't have, but why do perfectly good instruments that don't conform = to<BR> one person's idea of one historical period have to be remade into = something<BR> that is ultimately neither fish nor fowl? This Moller was no longer an<BR> orchestral organ, but it was never a proper Baroque organ = either.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> We service a nice pipe organ. At one time, it was a powerful instrument = made by an Ohio company. However, somewhere along the way, someone wanted = a softer instrument, so they had the organ company come in, close the toe = holes, and in other ways soften the sound. Now the organ is hard to keep = in tune because the softer pipes cannot be tuned properly. (is it that the = pipe goes sharp when the toe holes are closed or the other way around?) At = any rate, the tuning slides run to the edge of some of the pipes before = that pipe can be tuned. <BR> <BR> Again, the question is "WHY?" Why mess with what the builder has already = assembled and voiced into a beautiful sound? Why ruin the delicate balance = of the organ builders' creative efforts? <BR> <BR> At any rate, Chris, welcome to the pipechat.<BR> <BR> Stan Krider<BR> </FONT></HTML>   --part1_80.1fcacb54.2a883310_boundary--