PipeChat Digest #3046 - Wednesday, August 14, 2002
 
Re: Organs at Home
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: Suggestion for new topic:Alternative practice instruments
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
A dash of Dutch (Part One - LONG)
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
RE: PipeChat Digest #3040 - 08/13/02
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Suggestion for new topic:Alternative practice instruments
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Last Sunday
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: scaling
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Worshipful Atmosphere/Clapping--Way off topic now
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Larger than life!
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
RE: Suggestion for new topic:Alternative practice instruments
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
RE: Suggestion for new topic:Alternative practice instruments
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Hammond Registration
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Pipe metal thickness
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Organs at Home From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:04:43 -0500   Dear List,   For many years I had a 1980's vintage Conn 3 manual "Theater" organ at = home for practice. This old war horse was an excellent substitute for practice purposes, though admittedly its orchestral sound didn't do much justice to Bach and other early composer's music. Worked rather well for Widor and other romantics though, and I made do with it because I thought I could never afford a new classical organ.   I am presently awaiting delivery of a new II/P digital from a small custom builder in Holland and have donated the Conn to a local congregation that had no organ. The new organ was surprisingly affordable, about the same = as the "off the floor" models that are made in droves by well known US and European makers with their "canned" stop lists. Yes, it has taken longer = to have the organ built, but most certainly worth the wait. Like a pipe = organ, it is a "one of" instrument.   Cheers,   Tim    
(back) Subject: Re: Suggestion for new topic:Alternative practice instruments From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:09:11 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0043_01C24359.1BA8E8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Amen to that Lee.   T ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Chicaleee@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: Re: Suggestion for new topic:Alternative practice instruments     As I have mentioned before, my practice organ is a very old WurliTzer, = =3D 2 man. with AGO pedals. Now that I live in a small town, getting to the = =3D church to practice is not like it was in the big city, but is sure is =3D convenient to have one at home on which to practice. Lee=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0043_01C24359.1BA8E8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Amen to that Lee.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>T</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DChicaleee@aol.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Chicaleee@aol.com">Chicaleee@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 13, 2002 = =3D 9:18=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Suggestion for new = =3D   topic:Alternative practice instruments</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>As I have = =3D mentioned=3D20 before, my practice organ is a very old WurliTzer, 2 man. with AGO =3D pedals.=3D20 &nbsp;Now that I live in a small town, getting to the church to =3D practice is=3D20 not like it was in the big city, but is sure is convenient to have one = =3D at home=3D20 on which to practice. &nbsp;Lee</FONT> =3D </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0043_01C24359.1BA8E8C0--    
(back) Subject: A dash of Dutch (Part One - LONG) From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:21:10 +0100     Hello,   Leading something of a high-speed life, it is good to slow things down = and travel by sea. There is something quite civilized about a leasurely = pace, Dinner on board and a good night's sleep before disembarking in = Holland the next morning.   The approach to Holland and the vast Rotterdam Europort (the largest = port in the world) is as fascinating as it is grotesque; a mass of = cranes and twisted pipework hauling into view, with huge ocean going = vessels loading and un-loading cargo from all four corners of the globe. = It would be impossible to calculate, but I suspect that the combined = length of all the oil pipes in Rotterdam would comfortably exceed the = combined length of every organ pipe in Holland placed end-to-end.   The centre of Rotterdam is scarcely less alarming....a modern city of = concrete and coloured glass, re-built from the flattened remains of a = once historic city. It was time to locate a rental car, which took = longer than anticipated and rather knocked on the head any prospect of = attending a celebrity concert at St Laurent's, Alkmaar that same = evening.   "We'll have to go up to Amsterdam and sample the night-life", I = suggested.   Mark's eyes lit up and we collected our little car from Hertz.   Mark is a confirmed Disco Bunny, and he was in his element as we partied = 'til late amongst the sleaze of Amsterdam; his legs eventually giving = out at 3am. Wobbling his way back to the car and complaining loudly, it = was indeed fortunate that a conveniently parked house-boat prevented a = head-long plunge into a canal; the occupants less than pleased as he = lay on his back on the deck giggling.   The next morning was another day and a chance to search out the REAL = Holland; the friendly people with a ready smile and the architectural = gems which abound in this otherwise featureless land.   Haarlem is a unique experience, even by Nederlands standards.......a = very beautiful place with a fine town square in which locals and = tourists gather to eat, drink, sightsee or chat. It is also the home of = the magnificent Frans Hals Museum, which we decided to visit first. = Eventually overwhelmed by an abundance of Old Master Paintings, it was = time to leave for the 15.00 hrs Orgel Konzert at the Grotekerk of = St.Baavo, but not before we stumbled almost into a small cabinet organ. = A quick investigation revealed that the organ did indeed play, was made = by the son of Christian Muller, Pieter Muller in 1772 and was made for = the orphanage in Haarlem. The fact that it had an alactric blower = attached and a plug in the wall suggested that it was in good playing = condition.   The Grotekerk dominates the town.....a large church by any standards. = The approach is through a tiny entrance on the South side. I never fail = to obtain delight in taking people into St.Baavo who do not know what to = expect. By devilish and cunning means, I always divert their attention = by drawing attention to the small organ opposite the entrance or = pointing out the rather plain sanctuary and clear glass. The trick is = then to spin them around to look down the nave to the organ case. The = response is ALWAYS utterly spontaneous......   I was not in the least bit surprised when Mark's jaw dropped wide open. = His verbal reaction was less predictable, consisting of two short words; = one with four letters and the other with two! I glanced around = nervously in case anyone had overheard and then got a small fit of the = giggles!   An almost miraculous sequence of events then followed. No sooner had = Mark said, "I'd love to hear that Toccata thingy played on this organ", = than the 3pm bell rang and, with brilliant sonority, an octave double = mordent on "a" pealed forth from the organ....trust the Dutch to be on = time!   As I glanced around to watch the reaction of tourists with children in = tow, I knew then why it was that BWV565 enjoyed universal popularity. = The first flourish caused a ripple of excitement which lit up faces, and = when that massive bottom "d" rumbled sonorously, complete with 32ft = reed, small children were held spell-bound and normally disinterested = youth stopped in its tracks with mouths agape, like rabbits caught in = the glare of headlights.   I knew in an instant that the organ had a future; especially in Holland!   A fair canter of a Fugue followed, which surprised me.....most Dutch = organists erring on the side of slow and deliberate. Nevertheless, in = spite of the reverberation (about 6 seconds), I never lost track of the = counterpoint (or lack of it!).......you cannot beat a vertical = disposition and an organ little more than 12ft deep against a wall.   The organist was Bas de Vroome, who plays the organs of the Niuewe and = Oudekerks in Delft. A winner of multiple organ playing prizes at major = organ festivals and now a tutor at the Rotterdam Conservatorium, we were = clearly in the hands of a very, very fine organist indeed.   As an Englishman, I confess to actually disliking the music of Dowland; = not made any more bearable when incorporated into the "Pavana lachrymae" = by Sweelinck. I was soon nodding off.....   I awoke with a start when a fight broke out in church!   I feel sure that this epic battle would have sounded spectacular on a = Spanish Organ, but the reeds at Haarlem (quite "anglican" and smooth in = tone) lacked a certain cutting edge. Written by Mr Anon whilst visiting = Spain, the "Bathala on the 6th tone" was a protracted affair in which no = clear winner emerged. Quite clearly, this piece would have been more = effective using the Spanish reeds at St.Laurent's, Rotterdam.   Two Sonatas by Domenico Scarlatti (a far cry from the sparkling rhythms = of his harpsichord sonatas) were soporific enough to lull Mark into = sleep. By the end of the second Sonata (K288), his head had found a = comfortable resting place on my shoulder......but this was Holland and = no-one noticed.   Reger is always a challenge and, after Bach, my favourite organ = composer. I was fascinated by the inclusion of the big "Wachet Auf" Chorale = Fantasy. I had certainly heard romantic works played on this organ = previously, but never on this scale. In such pieces, the registration is = a special problem owing to the very unergonomic stop layout, which = stretches sideways from the console in long rows of very large stop = heads. Clearly employing, like Santa Claus, numerous "little helpers", = Bas de Vroome gave a magnificent performance of this difficult work. The = only "error" being a bright Mixtur stop left out at the start of a quiet = passage; the thump, as the stop was whacked in, clearly audible in the = nave!   Even at the age of 13, I adored much of Reger's music, even though it is = quite overpowering at times. The moments of tender lyricism the only = possible foil to the drama and tension going on in the music. But which other composer could use counterpoint and chromaticism to such = brilliant effect? The workings of a complex and tormented mind find = perfect expression in these big organ works, and yet, the quieter = moments are tender and delicate. Even the apparent chaos of fugue = subjects in inversion, stretti or even double stretti find perfect = resolution in the ground-rock of Lutheran Hymnody. By the time "Wachet = Auf" reached the final few lines, the audience were wound up like coiled = springs as multiple big Mixturs with reeds swirled around the building. = Then, the sheer release as those superb Pedal reeds thundered out the = Chorale theme "Wachet Auf!"   For me, a question had been answered.....Reger does indeed work on a = Baroque organ, but you need to have a bath and you need friends!   The recital came to a conclusion with three interesting works by Anton = Heiller with which I was unfamiliar. The first two were Chorale Preludes = based on tunes found in the Danish Gesangbuch. The last piece was a = fine, but very complex (difficult?) sounding Tanz-Toccata. I will = certainly be investigating these further.   Bas de Vroome had done the organ proud and thrilled his audience. In = Holland, they ALWAYS give standing ovations, but when elderly gentlemen = spring to their feet, you know it has been a good one! I certainly sprang to mine, and I think I would regard this as one of = the finest recitals I have ever heard.   Of course, the organ helped!   Once gain, it was time to wrench myself away from this special = place.....but that is how it should be; a "special place" of pilgrimage = rather than just across the street.   We wandered out into the brilliant sunshine of Haarlem, towards the Town = Square and ordinary life once again. Alkmaar beckoned a couple of days = later, but for now, the sight of "Bier" was a welcome one.     (In part 2.... crabs, mean tone, carillons and dancing in the street)      
(back) Subject: RE: PipeChat Digest #3040 - 08/13/02 From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:03:36 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24393.0066B620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Tsk, tsk, tsk. Is that what you do, hurt organs? Shame on you, shame!!! RBC -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:01 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3040 - 08/13/02     In a message dated 8/13/02 10:41:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = kzrev@rr1.net writes:         Whenever we sang "A Mighty Fortress" and got to that line, "And those this world with devils filled" (or whatever it is), the organist filled the sanctuary with the sounds of swirling demons. VERY effective!       I recall one Sunday close on the heels of an OHS convention, one of the hymns had a reference to thunder in one of the stanzas. I put on the pedal 16 Posaune and Open Diapason and stomped all over the bottom octave. Got lots of "neat-o, nifty, and keene" comments after church, except from the minister who said that probably hurt the organ! (cruddoid!!) ;-)   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502   ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24393.0066B620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4916.2300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D759010313-14082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000>Tsk, tsk, tsk. Is that what you do, hurt organs? Shame on = you, shame!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D759010313-14082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000>RBC</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: PipeChat = Digest #3040 - 08/13/02<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT = size=3D2>In a message dated 8/13/02 10:41:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kzrev@rr1.net = writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">Whenever we sang "A Mighty Fortress" and got to <BR>that = line, "And those this world with devils filled" (or whatever it <BR>is), the organist filled the sanctuary with the sounds of swirling <BR>demons. &nbsp;VERY effective!</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I recall one Sunday close on = the heels of an OHS convention, one of the hymns had a reference to thunder in one = of the stanzas. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I put on the pedal 16 Posaune and Open Diapason = and stomped all over the bottom octave. &nbsp;&nbsp;Got lots of "neat-o, = nifty, and keene" &nbsp;comments after church, except from the minister who said that =   probably hurt the organ! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(cruddoid!!) &nbsp;;-) = <BR><BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24393.0066B620--  
(back) Subject: RE: Suggestion for new topic:Alternative practice instruments From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:08:13 -0400   Phew, I thought by the subject this was going to be about organs made entirely of organic products. I can't afford an electronic, actually digital, organ. I make VERY little money, but if you don't mind the debt you can take out a loan which is = what I did. I am very pleased. But then, it is the ONLY organ I have access to = so if you hold a position where you play professionally then I can see why = it's probably not all that exciting for you to own one that is accessible at = ALL times in your living space. RBC  
(back) Subject: RE: Last Sunday From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:10:15 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24393.EE4C5A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   What a waste of time. -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:18 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Last Sunday     Paul, It's not analog, but it one of the very early digitals. Here is what was accomplished today.   There's no reason to substitute the Chimes for a Mixture III, since the = last thing the digi- needs is another mixture, so why spend the money.   We can't add channels... this is a two-channel job using a "universal" board. We can add speakers but that would just put more sound up front. =   It was suggested that I turn the speakers around so that they face away = from the congregation, thus taking the edge off of the mixture and reed. I'll give it a shot. Whom knows?   The other suggestion was, rather than adding two speakers in the front, to add four presence projectors in the coves in the nave. This would give the sound more presence in the entire room and make it more even throughout, also allowing me to turn down the gain and eliminate some of the = harshness.     We turned down the bass on the Bourdon 16 and Basson 16. The Bourdon is much better, but the Basson is still butt-ugly and sounds like a very bad Trumpet. The reduced midrange response helped the Trompet and the Spitzprincipal 4 on the Swell a bit. I think that's about all we can = do. Oh to have three ranks of pipes!!! ;-)   Basically, now it's playable and a bit more pleasant than before. Adjusting the Principal 8 and Octave 4 to the correct volume has rendered the Mixture IV, Basson 16 and Trompete 8 so loud as to be unusable for services. It's no great loss.... the room is too small to handle stops = like these. A properly designed small instrument would have an Oboe and a Clarinet, and possibly a quiet trumpet. I'd rather have the principals, flutes and strings at their very best, and live without the mixtures and reeds.   The stoplist is: Great: Principal 8, Gedeckt 8, Violas II 8 (sw), Octave 4, Koppelflote 4 (sw), Superoctave 2, Mixture IV, Trompete 8 (sw), Chimes Swell: Bourdon 16 (ped), Gedeckt 8, Violas II 8, Viola Celeste 8, Spitzprincipal 4, Koppelflote 4, Nasat 2-2/3, Blockflote 2, Basson 16, Trompette 8. Pedal: Bourdon 16, Lieblich Gedeckt 16, Octave 8, Gedeckt 8, Choral Bass = 4, Bassoon 16, Trompete 8     Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502   ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24393.EE4C5A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4916.2300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D717570913-14082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000>What a waste of time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:18 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Last Sunday<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT = size=3D2>Paul, <BR>It's not analog, but it one of the very early digitals. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Here is what was accomplished today. <BR><BR>There's no reason to substitute the = Chimes for a Mixture III, since the last thing the digi- needs is another = mixture, so why spend the money. <BR><BR>We can't add channels... &nbsp;this is a two-channel job using a "universal" board. &nbsp;&nbsp;We can add speakers = but that would just put more sound up front. &nbsp; <BR><BR>It was suggested = that I turn the speakers around so that they face away from the congregation, thus taking the edge off of the mixture and reed. &nbsp;&nbsp;I'll give it a = shot. &nbsp;Whom knows? <BR><BR>The other suggestion was, rather than adding two =   speakers in the front, to add four presence projectors in the coves in the = nave. This would give the sound more presence in the entire room and make it = more even throughout, also allowing me to turn down the gain and eliminate some of = the harshness. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR><BR>We turned down the bass on the = Bourdon 16 and Basson 16. &nbsp;&nbsp;The Bourdon is much better, but the Basson is = still butt-ugly and sounds like a very bad Trumpet. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The = reduced midrange response helped the Trompet and the Spitzprincipal 4 on the Swell = a bit. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think that's about all we can do. Oh to have = three ranks of pipes!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR><BR>Basically, now it's playable and a bit = more pleasant than before. &nbsp;&nbsp;Adjusting the Principal 8 and Octave 4 = to the correct volume has rendered the Mixture IV, Basson 16 and Trompete 8 so = loud as to be unusable for services. &nbsp;It's no great loss.... the room is too = small to handle stops like these. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A properly designed small instrument would have an Oboe and a Clarinet, and possibly a quiet = trumpet. &nbsp;&nbsp;I'd rather have the principals, flutes and strings at their = very best, and live without the mixtures and reeds. <BR><BR>The stoplist is: <BR>Great: &nbsp;Principal 8, Gedeckt 8, Violas II 8 (sw), Octave 4, = Koppelflote 4 (sw), Superoctave 2, Mixture IV, Trompete 8 (sw), Chimes <BR>Swell: &nbsp;Bourdon 16 (ped), Gedeckt 8, Violas II 8, Viola Celeste 8, = Spitzprincipal 4, Koppelflote 4, Nasat 2-2/3, Blockflote 2, Basson 16, Trompette 8. = <BR>Pedal: &nbsp;Bourdon 16, Lieblich Gedeckt 16, Octave 8, Gedeckt 8, Choral Bass 4, =   Bassoon 16, Trompete 8 <BR><BR><BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; =   wealth &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24393.EE4C5A70--  
(back) Subject: Re: scaling From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:10:45 -0400   On 8/12/02 3:27 PM, "quilisma@socal.rr.com" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> wrote:   > I really wish some of the builders would chime in here ... I'm ABOUT to > get WAY out of my depth (grin), but here goes: > > SCALE refers to the ratio of the LENGTH of the pipe to its > CIRCUMFERENCE. > > Grossly simplified, the WIDER the scale, the FLUTIER the tone; the > NARROWER the scale, the STRINGIER the tone. > I've always heard it described as ratio of length to diameter. But it should amount to the same thing, of course. (I think.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: Worshipful Atmosphere/Clapping--Way off topic now From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:18:06 -0400   I don't like clapping during a service. But we might try taking a cue = from the Zen Buddhists and clap with one hand...    
(back) Subject: Larger than life! From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:22:01 +0100   Hello,   Well, what can I say about the 1" thick metal at York Minster?   I "think" we would find that the 32ft Open Diapasons (Metal) are made of = normal plain-metal perhaps 3/8" to 1/4" thick......I cannot recall = exactly, but I "think" these will be pipes by Elliot & Hill with a wind = pressure which is "probably" about 4.1/2" max.....but if anyone is = REALLY bothered, I can find out for definite or even go along with a = micrometer! However, Ron is quite right....these pipes ARE heavy and = sit on very substantial timbers indeed.   Ripon is a very different instrument....essentially a Lewis instrument = with added Harrison reeds and a few changes over the years. The wind = pressures would be very modest; power being obtained by larger scaling = and wider mouths....again, I would have to check it all out.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell Yorkshire. UK       Ron Severin wrote:-   Now I've personally seen huge scaled pipes of 32' metal in Ripon and Yorkminster of aproximately 36" in diameter at low C. The mouths w/o being able to accurately measure them were probably at least 2/9ths of that. The metal was nearly an inch thick and the cut ups at least 6". =20   Ripon Cathedral organ when I=20 was there in 1995. I don't think even these were #1 or #2 scales. I'm sure the windpresures were very high to drive these monsters.=20  
(back) Subject: RE: Suggestion for new topic:Alternative practice instruments From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:25:26 +0100   Oh God, spare us....we're back to electronics again!!   I'm going to take up the Lute, and if anyone comes up with a digital = one, I shall smash it over their heads   Regards,   :)   Colin Mitchell UK    
(back) Subject: RE: Suggestion for new topic:Alternative practice instruments From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:27:11 -0400   Actually...nevermind. RBC =3D=3D=3D=3D   I'm going to take up the Lute, and if anyone comes up with a digital one, = I shall smash it over their heads   Regards,   :)   Colin Mitchell UK  
(back) Subject: RE: Hammond Registration From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:41:38 -0400   When I was about 10, a salesman in a music store gave me a brown spiral-bound "Porter Heaps Master Class" book including quite a few registrations. Later (actually just 4 1/2 years later, but that seems = like an eternity to a kid), my first church job was in a little UCC with a Hammond. Even then I realized that Hammond sounds were far more _sui generis_ than they were imitations of pipe organ stops. It seems to me = that compilers of long lists of stops with Hammond numeric equivalents have overactive imaginations.   Just learn the principles: flute stops use primarily the white (unison) drawbars. For diapasons, pull the 8' drawbar out the farthest, and each succeeding drawbar a little less. Strings: pull them all out = approximately halfway, except the 8' and 4' a little less than that. Trumpets: a V = shape. Clarinet: emphasize the twelfth.   Recipe books of Hammond stops are curiosities affording a few minutes of amusement, perhaps, but they are hardly indispensible. The best cooks don't rely on recipe books.          
(back) Subject: Pipe metal thickness From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:52:52 EDT   Organ pipes are not built with metal one inch thick, at an pitch.