PipeChat Digest #3052 - Thursday, August 15, 2002
 
Re: 94th Psalm rebuke.....
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: 94th Psalm rebuke.....
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: NOT about the widgets vs. waldfloetes war (grin)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Allen available
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Wind pressure
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
RE: My little home practice organ
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: Wind pressure
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: Wind pressure
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: 94th Psalm rebuke..... From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:15:36 EDT     --part1_193.b852cae.2a8c84e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I was practicing with headphones at about 4:00am one morning, when I = dropped a book on the pedals. The lady who lives under me knows I fall often, and =   did not hear me walking afterwards, as I just picked up the book and kept playing. She called the night manager, who called 911. By the time the ambulance and manager arrived I had already gone back to bed, and they = found me sound asleep. That's the last time the lady beneath my has panicked = when she hears sounds coming from my apartment (she was the one who took me to = the hospital when I fell and cut off the top half of my ear, with it hanging = by a "thread," so she was alert to anything that sounded like I had fallen. As =   she is now in the last stages of bone cancer and has lost her hearing, if = I fall, I am on my own. She's a good friend and it really hurts to see her suffer so. Those of you who have prayer lists, please put "Dorothy" on yours. Thanks. Lee   --part1_193.b852cae.2a8c84e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I was practicing with = headphones at about 4:00am one morning, when I dropped a book on the = pedals. &nbsp;The lady who lives under me knows I fall often, and did not = hear me walking afterwards, as I just picked up the book and kept playing. = &nbsp;She called the night manager, who called 911. &nbsp;By the time the = ambulance and manager arrived I had already gone back to bed, and they = found me sound asleep. &nbsp;That's the last time the lady beneath my has = panicked when she hears sounds coming from my apartment (she was the one = who took me to the hospital when I fell and cut off the top half of my = ear, with it hanging by a "thread," so she was alert to anything that = sounded like I had fallen. &nbsp;As she is now in the last stages of bone = cancer and has lost her hearing, if I fall, I am on my own. &nbsp;She's a = good friend and it really hurts to see her suffer so. &nbsp;Those of you = who have prayer lists, please put "Dorothy" on yours. &nbsp   --part1_193.b852cae.2a8c84e8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: 94th Psalm rebuke..... From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:23:41 EDT     --part1_21.2260c4ef.2a8c86cd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I've wondered if the pedaling bother's the lady beneath my apartment, but = she has never said. Of course, now, she can't hear it, so I use the pedals = more freely. Here we can practice "normally" until 10:00pm, and begin again at =   8:00 am. Occasionally a violinist and guitarist come to my apartment for = a "jam" session and we have never had any complaints; only one suggestion = that we go to the community room so more people can listen to us. Another of = the residents here plays the steel guitar. As I entertain at Nursing Homes, I = am going to try to get them to come with me someday. Lee   --part1_21.2260c4ef.2a8c86cd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've wondered if the = pedaling bother's the lady beneath my apartment, but she has never said. = &nbsp;Of course, now, she can't hear it, so I use the pedals more freely. = &nbsp;Here we can practice "normally" until 10:00pm, and begin again at = 8:00 am. &nbsp;Occasionally a violinist and guitarist come to my apartment = for a "jam" session and we have never had any complaints; only one = suggestion that we go to the community room so more people can listen to = us. &nbsp;Another of the residents here plays the steel guitar. &nbsp;As I = entertain at Nursing Homes, I am going to try to get them to come with me = someday. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_21.2260c4ef.2a8c86cd_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: NOT about the widgets vs. waldfloetes war (grin) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:25:39 EDT     --part1_28.2b24cbaf.2a8c8743_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/14/02 10:45:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes:     > I would like to ask people to speak to the "middle > ground" - the 30 to 60 rank range, especially as it applies to the > practical installation in a typical American church ( "How dry I am"). > > Where would you break from 2 manuals to three? >   Just a guess would be in the 35 rank area. I have played some very nice three manual organs that had the Great simply as a Principal chorus and a reed, with the Great flutes essentially used for the Choir. Three = manuals add great versatility, especially for service playing.     > Where would you add that "other reed" (and which reed would it be) ?   On a small organ I would want a Trumpet and Oboe in the Swell at unison pitch, a Trumpet on the Great, and a Clarinet on the Choir. After these reeds, I would add a 16 Bassoon in the Swell, then a Vox. THen a = secondary reed on the Great and then the Choir. I would not go for a large reed, except maybe short compass, until the organ was tonally complete. I = think the Great reed could be placed horizontally but kept tonally mild and = would then serve well as a solo reed by virtue of its proximity.   > > At what point does the full swell reed chorus appear? How about an > independent Pedal Reed ?   I think the determining factor for the full Swell reeds should be the building. IF the building can handle it then do it. The independent = pedal reed can be included from the outset, but it needs to be appropriate to = the building and the rest of the organ. Too often, the pedal reed is way to = big and is intended to double as the manual Trumpet d' Huge!           Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_28.2b24cbaf.2a8c8743_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/14/02 10:45:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I would like to = ask people to speak to the "middle <BR>ground" - the 30 to 60 rank range, especially as it applies to the <BR>practical installation in a typical American church ( "How dry I am"). <BR> <BR>Where would you break from 2 manuals to three? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Just a guess would be in the 35 rank area. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I have played some very nice three manual organs that had the = Great simply as a Principal chorus and a reed, with the Great flutes = essentially used for the Choir. &nbsp;&nbsp;Three manuals add great = versatility, especially for service playing. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">Where would you add that "other reed" (and which reed would it be) = ?</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">On a small organ I would want a Trumpet and Oboe = in the Swell at unison pitch, a Trumpet on the Great, and a Clarinet on = the Choir. &nbsp;&nbsp;After these reeds, I would add a 16 Bassoon in the = Swell, then a Vox. &nbsp;&nbsp;THen a secondary reed on the Great and then = the Choir. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I would not go for a large reed, except maybe = short compass, until the organ was tonally complete. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I = think the Great reed could be placed horizontally but kept tonally mild and = would then serve well as a solo reed by virtue of its proximity. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <BR>At what point does the full swell reed chorus appear? How about an <BR>independent Pedal Reed ?</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I think the determining factor for the full = Swell reeds should be the building. &nbsp;IF the building can handle it = then do it. &nbsp;&nbsp;The independent pedal reed can be included from = the outset, but it needs to be appropriate to the building and the rest of = the organ. &nbsp;Too often, the pedal reed is way to big and is intended = to double as the manual Trumpet d' Huge! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_28.2b24cbaf.2a8c8743_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen available From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:28:46 EDT     --part1_18c.c733f7f.2a8c87fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/14/02 11:37:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jnatpat@infi.net writes:     > ~ and if you value your life and your puppies, you WON'T call me before > daybreak! > Ooopsie! But, not to worry.... we usually go to sleep just before daybreak and get up at the crack of noon!! I love being self-employed!!! = Thanks to a semi-extensive alarm clock collection, I do get up on Sunday morning now!! ;-)     Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_18c.c733f7f.2a8c87fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/14/02 11:37:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jnatpat@infi.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">~ and if you value = your life and your puppies, you WON'T call me before daybreak! = &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>Ooopsie! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But, not to worry.... &nbsp;we usually go = to sleep just before daybreak and get up at the crack of noon!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;I love being self-employed!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks to a = semi-extensive alarm clock collection, I do get up on Sunday morning now!! = &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_18c.c733f7f.2a8c87fe_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Wind pressure From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:46:54 +0000     To increase the wind pressure you put more weights on the reservoirs. You can also tighten the springs if you have Schwimmers. John Foss     _________________________________________________________________ Join the world=92s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: RE: My little home practice organ From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:01:47 +0000   Hear Hear Bob. Giving a clear price, or at least a reasonably accurate estimate is essential in my view. I do not buy things from shops if they = do not have a price on them. The stated price might be the opening for a discussion, but both buyer and seller know where they stand. John Foss http://www.geocities.com/harfo32/JohnFossathome.html   _________________________________________________________________ Join the world=92s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Wind pressure From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:07:57 +0000   >Springs and weights serve different purposes. > Yes - the wind pressure is mainly affected by the weights on the reservoir = - but I seem to remember the springs were used for fine tuning to get a = steady wind supply with the Schwimmers. This affects the pressure. However, I = would bow to your expertise any day. Perhaps youncould tell us exactly what they =   do do! John Foss   _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Wind pressure From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:41:06 EDT   Dear John:   I happen to know that pressure springs are available through the organ supply houses for reservoirs. You can specify tensions for 3" 5" or just about anyother prezsure need. There are tension adjustment nuts on all four corners of the reservoir. Weights secured to the top of the reservoir will do the same thing. Static wind is stabalized at a specific pressure on the low pressure side of the curtain valve which goes directly to the pipe chests through wind lines. Space for the reservoir is limited in my church, so the reservoir is on it's side which isn't ideal, and we used tension springs instead of weights. it works for us and that's all we care about.   Sincerely   Ron Severin