PipeChat Digest #3056 - Friday, August 16, 2002
 
Re: WIND PRESSURE
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
RE: Notre Dame - Paris
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Notre Dame - Paris
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
RE: Prices for practice pipe organs
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Notre Dame - Paris
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Prices for practice pipe organs
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
RE: Prices for practice pipe organs
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
 

(back) Subject: Re: WIND PRESSURE From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:28:49 -0500   Dear Mr Morgan: I'm sorry, but I'd have to disagree with you still. I've never had to cut up pipes as result of raising wind pressures, not even strings. And, yes I've had to do open toe work as well (it's a good thing there are dental tools in the world!). Toe regulation gives you more latitude than you need. We're usually finding our work LOWERING pressures. Our usual pressure is 3" w.c. or there abouts. Sometimes Pedal stops will be at 3 1/2"-4", but not very often. We prefer to allow proper scaling for the room, and correct voicing to give us our power...not the wind pressure.   another 2 cents.     jon bertschinger tonal director temple organs saint joseph, mo (north kansas city area)     since 1953...myself, 1952  
(back) Subject: RE: Notre Dame - Paris From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:49:50 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24523.691B6490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Interesting, you'd rather a machine play the organ than here a recording = of an organist playing. You may as well put a gun to your head because you're selling yourself down the river to a computer or machine to replace you. = RBC -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:33 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris     In a message dated 8/15/02 1:31:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:         I understand, I just find that scary. I'm all for good music and for the organ to really be playing but I'd much rather a breathing human, composed =   of flesh and blood, be seated there playing it and getting paid for it. That's what I'd rather. A CD piped is less offensive to me from the point = of   view of labor not to my musical senses.       hmmm.... any "recording" of music is somewhat offensive to my musical senses, although I know that some is necessary. I would much rather that an organ be equipped with a player mechanism so that the organist could record music to be played later so that visitors could actually hear the organ rather than a recording of it. If it's going to be reproduced, at least have it reproduced by the actual instrument.   Think how many carillons we would never hear were it not for the player mechanisms. How nice it would be for the organ in a tourist church to = play on the quarter hour just after the carillon had announced the time!   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502   ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24523.691B6490 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4916.2300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D424594712-16082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000>Interesting, you'd rather a machine play the organ than = here a recording of an organist playing. You may as well put a gun to your head = because you're selling yourself down the river to a computer or machine to replace = you. RBC</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:33 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Notre Dame - =   Paris<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In a = message dated 8/15/02 1:31:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">I understand, I just find that scary. I'm all for good music = and for the <BR>organ to really be playing but I'd much rather a breathing = human, composed <BR>of flesh and blood, be seated there playing it and getting = paid for it. <BR>That's what I'd rather. A CD piped is less offensive to me = from the point of <BR>view of labor not to my musical senses. </FONT><FONT = lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>hmmm.... any "recording" of music is somewhat offensive to my musical senses, although = I know that some is necessary. &nbsp;&nbsp;I would much rather that an organ be equipped with a player mechanism so that the organist could record music = to be played later so that visitors could actually hear the organ rather than a recording of it. &nbsp;&nbsp;If it's going to be reproduced, at least have it reproduced by the actual instrument. <BR><BR>Think how many carillons we = would never hear were it not for the player mechanisms. &nbsp;&nbsp;How nice it = would be for the organ in a tourist church to play on the quarter hour just = after the carillon had announced the time! <BR><BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at = Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health = &amp; wealth &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24523.691B6490--  
(back) Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:13:19 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_004A_01C24505.29A18740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   But if the the music, played automatically by the computer was recorded = =3D by the YOUNG ARTIST,you can actually listen to him "PLAY" the organ. =3D The ATOS regional convention had that exact thing with recently =3D discovered midi recordings of George Wright at his pipe organ in =3D California. =3D20   The only problem with midi playing the organ in a church is the fact =3D that some enterprising board member or minister may try to save money =3D and collect recordings to knock the organist out of the loop completely. Tom Hoehn, Organist Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: COLASACCO, ROBERT=3D20 To: 'PipeChat'=3D20 Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Notre Dame - Paris     Interesting, you'd rather a machine play the organ than here a =3D recording of an organist playing. You may as well put a gun to your head = =3D because you're selling yourself down the river to a computer or machine = =3D to replace you. RBC -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:33 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris     In a message dated 8/15/02 1:31:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =3D RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:=3D20       I understand, I just find that scary. I'm all for good music and for = =3D the=3D20 organ to really be playing but I'd much rather a breathing human, =3D composed=3D20 of flesh and blood, be seated there playing it and getting paid for = =3D it.=3D20 That's what I'd rather. A CD piped is less offensive to me from the = =3D point of=3D20 view of labor not to my musical senses.=3D20     hmmm.... any "recording" of music is somewhat offensive to my musical = =3D senses, although I know that some is necessary. I would much rather =3D that an organ be equipped with a player mechanism so that the organist =3D could record music to be played later so that visitors could actually =3D hear the organ rather than a recording of it. If it's going to be =3D reproduced, at least have it reproduced by the actual instrument.=3D20   Think how many carillons we would never hear were it not for the =3D player mechanisms. How nice it would be for the organ in a tourist =3D church to play on the quarter hour just after the carillon had announced = =3D the time!=3D20   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres =3D http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502=3D20 ...an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053 ------=3D_NextPart_000_004A_01C24505.29A18740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4916.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>But if the the music, played =3D automatically by the=3D20 computer was recorded by the YOUNG ARTIST,you can actually listen to him = =3D "PLAY"=3D20 the organ.&nbsp; The ATOS regional convention had that exact thing with = =3D recently=3D20 discovered midi recordings of George Wright at his pipe organ in=3D20 California.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The only problem with midi playing = the =3D organ in a=3D20 church is the fact that some enterprising board member or minister may =3D try to=3D20 save money and collect recordings to knock the organist out of the = loop=3D20 completely.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Tom Hoehn, Organist<BR>Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL<BR>First United =3D Methodist=3D20 Church, Clearwater, FL<BR>CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS<BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn">http://theatreorgans.com/tomho=3D ehn</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DRCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org">COLASACCO, ROBERT</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">'PipeChat'</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 16, 2002 = =3D 8:49=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Notre Dame - =3D Paris</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D424594712-16082002><FONT face=3D3D"Footlight MT =3D Light"=3D20 color=3D3D#800000>Interesting, you'd rather a machine play the organ =3D than here a=3D20 recording of an organist playing. You may as well put a gun to your =3D head=3D20 because you're selling yourself down the river to a computer or =3D machine to=3D20 replace you. RBC</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A>=3D20 [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 15, 2002 =3D 4:33=3D20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Notre =3D Dame -=3D20 Paris<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT =3D size=3D3D2>In a message=3D20 dated 8/15/02 1:31:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =3D RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org=3D20 writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">I understand, I just find that scary. I'm all for good = =3D music and=3D20 for the <BR>organ to really be playing but I'd much rather a =3D breathing=3D20 human, composed <BR>of flesh and blood, be seated there playing it =3D and=3D20 getting paid for it. <BR>That's what I'd rather. A CD piped is = less=3D20 offensive to me from the point of <BR>view of labor not to my =3D musical=3D20 senses. </FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 = size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>hmmm.... any =3D "recording" of music=3D20 is somewhat offensive to my musical senses, although I know that some = =3D is=3D20 necessary. &nbsp;&nbsp;I would much rather that an organ be equipped =3D with a=3D20 player mechanism so that the organist could record music to be played = =3D later so=3D20 that visitors could actually hear the organ rather than a recording of = =3D it.=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;If it's going to be reproduced, at least have it =3D reproduced by the=3D20 actual instrument. <BR><BR>Think how many carillons we would never =3D hear were=3D20 it not for the player mechanisms. &nbsp;&nbsp;How nice it would be for = =3D the=3D20 organ in a tourist church to play on the quarter hour just after the =3D carillon=3D20 had announced the time! <BR><BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling =3D Acres=3D20 http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health =3D &amp;=3D20 wealth &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_004A_01C24505.29A18740--      
(back) Subject: RE: Prices for practice pipe organs From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:34:59 -0400   Well, one may be ready to have an organ built and doesn't know if one can afford to pay for it. I don't understand how the builder can somehow = decide that someone isn't really interested in buying other than possibly some built in telepathic radar, e.g. mind reading. But I can say in my = particular case the salespersons at Allen and Rodgers (not builders because I = purchased a digital) got the wrong wave length and lost a sale, although I had had a similar experience with them before a third option appeared on the = market, and just decided not to buy because of their bad attitude. I can see in purchasing a pipe organ other factors figure in like length of time, design, materials, blah. (Though I must say, there I'm sure a range can be offered for such a small instrument with some of the factors figured in = and with the disclaimer that you can even go a little higher--it gives the = buyer and idea. Try thinking like the buyer.) Well back to me. What makes it = even more ridiculous in my case where I was purchasing an instrument that is pre-built or at least pre-designed, it's something of an assembly line = item, more or less, so there must be a fixed price. No need to beat around any bushes. A Buxtehude XL450ZTC999K model costs this much and that's it. No crap, no nonsense, this is what it costs. If shipping rates vary then = that's something else but the organ costs this much, basta! I walk into a electronics store the price of the TV is posted! What is this, Marrakech Bazaar? Are we going to haggle? Is that based on the salesperson's thoughts,"Hm can I get more out of this idiot?"That was my point. Can one really rationalize not telling a customer or even prospective customer a price? ---RBC   -----Original Message----- From: TubaMagna@aol.com [mailto:TubaMagna@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:23 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Prices for practice pipe organs     Any good builder will give you a bid if you are serious. They will give you a firm bid, usually locked for 30, 60, or 90 days.   Organbuilders do NOT stay in business by being vague and not giving bids. Serious inquiries are met with serious responses.   If a builder does not get the impression that the inquirer is really serious, or ready to actually purchase the organ in the next 6 to 12 = months,   they may be slower on the draw in terms of a response. Frequently, = requests regarding residence instruments are nebulous and do NOT show serious = intent.   The worst residence organ inquiries are along the lines of, "I'm deciding whether I want an organ or a new car. Even then, my husband wants new golf =   clubs, so he may not contribute." I'm NOT making this up. How much time is =   the builder going to spend at the drafting table for such a request? Another factor is the "settle" factor. Read the chat lists and see = what people are willing to settle for. They want to spend four thousand dollars on a practice pipe organ, and do so. "It's fine for my purposes" is uttered = in alternatum with complaints. In closing, many builders have built small instruments, and have = already   done the engineering. Some have stock models, already priced out, and the only thing that changes is the scaling and the details of the casework. There are at least a dozen builders out there with stock models, I'm sure. Most builders have supplies of vintage pipework, as well as 'leads' on small, rebuildable organs, upon which they would GLADLY bid if there were serious =   inquiries. If you are ready to have an organ built, you'll find an organbuilder ready to build. Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Notre Dame - Paris From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:36:45 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24529.F6D8E360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Here you go, THIS is my point. RBC The only problem with midi playing the organ in a church is the fact that some enterprising board member or minister may try to save money and = collect recordings to knock the organist out of the loop completely. Tom Hoehn, Organist Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL ----- Original Message -----   From: COLASACCO, ROBERT <mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> To: 'PipeChat' <mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Notre Dame - Paris   Interesting, you'd rather a machine play the organ than here a recording = of an organist playing. You may as well put a gun to your head because you're selling yourself down the river to a computer or machine to replace you. = RBC -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com <mailto:Cremona502@cs.com> [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:33 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris     In a message dated 8/15/02 1:31:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:         I understand, I just find that scary. I'm all for good music and for the organ to really be playing but I'd much rather a breathing human, composed =   of flesh and blood, be seated there playing it and getting paid for it. That's what I'd rather. A CD piped is less offensive to me from the point = of   view of labor not to my musical senses.       hmmm.... any "recording" of music is somewhat offensive to my musical senses, although I know that some is necessary. I would much rather that an organ be equipped with a player mechanism so that the organist could record music to be played later so that visitors could actually hear the organ rather than a recording of it. If it's going to be reproduced, at least have it reproduced by the actual instrument.   Think how many carillons we would never hear were it not for the player mechanisms. How nice it would be for the organ in a tourist church to = play on the quarter hour just after the carillon had announced the time!   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502   ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24529.F6D8E360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4916.2300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D676593513-16082002>Here you = go, THIS is my point.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D676593513-16082002>RBC</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D676593513-16082002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The only problem with midi playing the = organ in a church is the fact that some enterprising board member or minister may try = to save money and collect recordings to knock the organist out of the loop completely.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Tom Hoehn, Organist<BR>Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL<BR>----- Original = Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=3DRCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org href=3D"mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org">COLASACCO, ROBERT</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dpipechat@pipechat.org href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">'PipeChat'</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 16, 2002 = 8:49 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Notre Dame - = Paris</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D424594712-16082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000>Interesting, you'd rather a machine play the organ than = here a recording of an organist playing. You may as well put a gun to your head =   because you're selling yourself down the river to a computer or machine = to replace you. RBC</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 15, 2002 = 4:33 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Notre Dame = - Paris<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In = a message dated 8/15/02 1:31:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">I understand, I just find that scary. I'm all for good = music and for the <BR>organ to really be playing but I'd much rather a breathing =   human, composed <BR>of flesh and blood, be seated there playing it and =   getting paid for it. <BR>That's what I'd rather. A CD piped is less offensive to me from the point of <BR>view of labor not to my musical senses. </FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 = face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>hmmm.... any = "recording" of music is somewhat offensive to my musical senses, although I know that some is =   necessary. &nbsp;&nbsp;I would much rather that an organ be equipped = with a player mechanism so that the organist could record music to be played = later so that visitors could actually hear the organ rather than a recording of = it. &nbsp;&nbsp;If it's going to be reproduced, at least have it reproduced = by the actual instrument. <BR><BR>Think how many carillons we would never hear = were it not for the player mechanisms. &nbsp;&nbsp;How nice it would be for = the organ in a tourist church to play on the quarter hour just after the = carillon had announced the time! <BR><BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres =   http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health = &amp; wealth &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24529.F6D8E360--  
(back) Subject: Re: Prices for practice pipe organs From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:43:40 EDT   I thought you were talking about pipe organ prices.  
(back) Subject: RE: Prices for practice pipe organs From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:00:55 -0400   Oh, no. Not in my particular case. I would so like to say that I am first and foremost to favor pipe organs everywhere and all the times. But in reality sometimes that's just not possible for home use. And to be honest although a small (very small for my NYC apt on E 10th Street) pipe organ, = as fantastic as that would be, would become, eeek, tiring to the ear. I hope = I don't have to explain in detail this last sentence. I mean, you are = limited in the sound you'll get from a tiny pipe organ as fabulous as it is. And let's face it, we're organists we do like really big sound sometimes (too often, some of us like it all the time--but that's another post) and that = is what the electronic/digital in the tiny apt offers. I in NO way believe = the sound comparable to a pipe organ only because a pipe organ makes music via it's machinery as well and we've all come to love to hear the occasional clicks and booms. E.g., Lowering the volume on a digital swell is nowhere = as sensuous or exuberant as closing or opening the shades of the swell box, nothing like it. A pipe organ lives, it really lives and breaths. I don't have to explain that to THIS list. You work it and it works you back, = baby. There's a give and take, a sensuality, an intellectual debate. You kick = that Tutti piston and it screams at you? You caress the Celestes and it takes = you to heaven. When it becomes rundown, you take care of it. But there are = some excellent digitals out there today and they do a pretty good "come-close" sound. RBC   -----Original Message----- From: TubaMagna@aol.com [mailto:TubaMagna@aol.com] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:44 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Prices for practice pipe organs     I thought you were talking about pipe organ prices.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org