PipeChat Digest #3058 - Friday, August 16, 2002
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #3054 - 08/15/02
  by "Weber, Richard" <rweber@aero.net>
Re: cornopean
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Notre Dame - Paris
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3054 - 08/15/02 From: "Weber, Richard" <rweber@aero.net> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:10:13 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: PipeChat Digest #3054 - 08/15/02     PipeChat Digest #3054 - Thursday, August 15, 2002   RE: Notre Dame - Paris by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> When to go to a 3rd manual by "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu> third manual, doubling and tripling of voices by <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Re: Notre Dame - Paris by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> RE: Notre Dame - Paris by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Re: Notre Dame - Paris by <RonSeverin@aol.com> RE: Notre Dame - Paris by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Angers - Correction by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> RE: Angers - Correction by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Re: Notre Dame - Paris by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Re: When to go to a 3rd manual by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Re: When to go to a 3rd manual by <Cremona502@cs.com> Re: Central/Eastern Europe by "Hans-Friedrich Hell" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Re: Notre Dame - Paris by <Cremona502@cs.com> Re: When to go to a 3rd manual by <DudelK@aol.com>    
(back) Subject: RE: Notre Dame - Paris From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:39:18 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24471.EB3CF8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   I agree. I don't approve. I say it sets a mood from "their" perspective, = not mine. I prefer the buzz of the crowd and the shuffle of the feet, = especially so in Santa Maria del Fiore my most favorite Cathedral.--RBC     -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:35 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris     In a message dated 8/15/02 9:17:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:         .. It sets a mood, I guess and I must say, keeps the talking down to a minimum even after the crowd finds out it's recorded stuff. So maybe at Our Lady of Paris is also pumped in. As bad as THAT is, I'd rather that's what they're doing instead of having a computer "play" = the   organ. I'd rather they pay organists come in and PLAY the organ. RBC           How sad. Silence is so magnificent, and makes beautiful sound much more beautiful.   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502   ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24471.EB3CF8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4916.2300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D503333615-15082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000>I agree. I don't approve. I say it sets a mood from = "their" perspective, not mine. I prefer the buzz of the crowd and the shuffle of = the feet, especially so in Santa Maria del Fiore my most favorite Cathedral.--RBC</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D503333615-15082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D503333615-15082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:35 AM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Notre Dame - Paris<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In a message dated 8/15/02 9:17:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">. It sets a mood, I guess and I must say, keeps <BR>the = talking down to a minimum even after the crowd finds out it's recorded = <BR>stuff. So maybe at Our Lady of Paris is also pumped in. As bad as THAT is, <BR>I'd rather that's what they're doing instead of having a computer "play" the <BR>organ. I'd rather they pay organists come in and PLAY the organ. <BR>RBC <BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>How sad. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Silence is so magnificent, and makes beautiful sound much more beautiful. <BR><BR>Bruce = in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24471.EB3CF8B0--  
(back) Subject: When to go to a 3rd manual From: "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:46:42 -0500   Hi Douglas.   Let me throw in a thought on one of your points - when would you go from a = 2 manual to a 3.   I would say, of possible, always have the 3rd. And I know that it maybe = not be "correct" but on, especially a small instrument, the 3rd manual could = be composed of most/all the stops of the second, a duplication of the second manual, if you will. So if your manual 2 has a string, flute, diapason, mutations, reed, etc. they would also be on the 3rd manual. Then you = could play the string against the flute, or diapason against the flute or = string, or reed against the flute, etc. This would give you a way to "break out" = or split the resources of the 2nd manual.   I know I have seen and heard about a manual being a "combining" manual or something like that. I have seen even some stops from manual 1, the = great, being available from that 3rd manual (mainly flutes and strings). To me = it gives me more variety that only having the great ranks to go against the Swell. And as we know, the Great usually has the powerful resources for = that need with little softer resources.   On my home organ, my III console had lots of knobs. On my Choir manual, I just about duplicated the entire swell - the Choir had no "home" ranks. This layout sure gives me a more versatile instrument, to entertain my = dog, and of course, me. I often think about instruments I have played at churches and would love to have had this arrangements, it would sure allow more variations to use different "solo" voices and have a variety of = sounds to play against.   Good day and a wonderful TGIF tomorrow to ya'll.... Craig Elders   -----Original Message----- From: Douglas A. Campbell [mailto:dougcampbell@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:42 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: NOT about the widgets vs. waldfloetes war (grin)     > TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > > Bud's right. > > I've seen five manual electronics that still failed to permit certain > > historical registrations, even with close to two hundred "equivalent" > > "ranks". If it truly IS the opportunity to build the "ultimate" organ, at > > least make an EFFORT.   There has been much discussion on the list about small organs (under 15 ranks or so) and there always seems to be discussion of the LARGE organs (over 70 ranks). I would like to ask people to speak to the "middle ground" - the 30 to 60 rank range, especially as it applies to the practical installation in a typical American church ( "How dry I am").   Where would you break from 2 manuals to three?   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: third manual, doubling and tripling of voices From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:23:30 -0700   There's really not much new under the sun ... Moller used to do things like:   GREAT   8' 1st Open Diapason 8' 2nd Open Diapason 8' Doppel Flute 8' Melodia 8' Dulciana 4' Octave 4' Harmonic Flute   CHOIR   8' English Diapason (gt. 2nd Open) 8' Melodia (gt.) 8' Dulciana (gt.) 8' Unda Maris T.C. 4' Harmonic Flute (gt.) 8' Clarinet   with everything but the Great 1st Open in the Gt/Ch box.   I don't really have a problem with that for a service-playing / accompanying organ. For one thing it made possible using the Doppel Flute as a solo stop against the Choir and Swell celestes and strings (grin). This particular organ received a sympathetic restoration with no tonal changes a number of years ago and was revealed as a LOVELY romantic sound, once they got everything WORKING again.   The DOWNSIDE (if there is one) is that you have to use duplex chests for the Swell or the Great in order to make a "composite" Choir manual like that. I think it was Buzard who did just that on one of his organs and it is successful, from all reports. But as I recall he made it somewhat more independent SOUNDING by NOT using most of the stops at the same PITCH as the Great, and maybe providing one or two independent 8' stops.   Schantz used to build independent Choir organs consisting of the flute Cornet, Dulciana/Unda maris, and Clarinet, leaving only a single 8' flute and the principal chorus on the Great. That didn't provide a secondary CHORUS, but it WAS more flexible for service-playing.   Since we only have space to install portions of the Swell, Great and Pedal of our new organ in the interim building, I thought seriously about having the Swell duplexed to the empty Choir manual, but I decided I wanted to stick with slider chests throughout, except for the manual 16' stops that are duplexed to the Pedal. I may yet change my mind, depending on how the fund drive to build the main church is looking. If we're going to BE in the interim building for a LONG time, it would DEFINITELY be desirable from the standpoint of flexibility for service-playing and accompanying.   I'm curious about something else I came across recently in a Schoenstein (?) stoplist: "Tuben" and I forget what the others were called, where he took the independent 16-8-4 reeds, principals, or whatever of the Great and/or Pedal and had them all play the SAME pitch simultaneously at 8', thus giving THREE pipes on the same pitch, presumably to reinforce the 8' line for solos and descants. Has anybody else had experience with this and actually HEARD the results? I'm curious if it's worth the effort, and what the effect is.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:55:03 -0400   Dear List,   Perhaps ten or fifteen years ago, on a long bicycle trip that took us from Anger through the Loire Valley (west to east, with the wind at your = back!), tenting each night on the grounds of the magnificent chateaux, we came = upon a lovely parish church with a sign that announced: "Les Pierres qui = chant." Stones that sing. We walked in, and found a little device into which we could and did put a five Franc piece, at which point the most ravishing music filled the building. Tired as we were, we relaxed in this gorgeous building, using up our spare change, and listening to a superb, carefully wrought, sound system with speakers seemingly everywhere, but gloriously = out of sight! The routine began with splendid chant, followed by Renaissance Polyphony and eventually wonderful Organ music, as I recall, beautifully played. Sadly, I don't even remember what the organ music was, but I do remember thinking how tastefully done this was, with only music and performances of a very high quality. Lightened in spirit, we mounted our faithful bikes and headed on towards the Capital. When I think back over that experience, I remind myself that that was perhaps the only time ever that I have enjoyed anything in a church coming out of a loudspeaker! = Well, of course, except occasional sermons!   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT To: 'PipeChat' Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:39 AM Subject: RE: Notre Dame - Paris     I agree. I don't approve. I say it sets a mood from "their" perspective, = not mine. I prefer the buzz of the crowd and the shuffle of the feet, = especially so in Santa Maria del Fiore my most favorite Cathedral.--RBC     -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:35 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris   How sad. Silence is so magnificent, and makes beautiful sound much more beautiful.   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053      
(back) Subject: RE: Notre Dame - Paris From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:03:56 -0400   That does sound lovely and unique, and I assume if you weren't the only few(?) who were in the =C9glise then there were very few others and = probably no bus loads of guided tours to contend with the lovely ambience that greeted you?   -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Wechsler [mailto:manderusa@earthlink.net] =3D=3D=3D   Dear List,   Perhaps ten or fifteen years ago, on a long bicycle trip that took us from Anger through the Loire Valley (west to east, with the wind at your = back!), tenting each night on the grounds of the magnificent chateaux, we came = upon a lovely parish church with a sign that announced: "Les Pierres qui = chant." Stones that sing. We walked in, and found a little device into which we could and did put a five Franc piece, at which point the most ravishing music filled the building. Tired as we were, we relaxed in this gorgeous building, using up our spare change, and listening to a superb, carefully wrought, sound system with speakers seemingly everywhere, but gloriously = out of sight! The routine began with splendid chant, followed by Renaissance Polyphony and eventually wonderful Organ music, as I recall, beautifully played. Sadly, I don't even remember what the organ music was, but I do remember thinking how tastefully done this was, with only music and performances of a very high quality. Lightened in spirit, we mounted our faithful bikes and headed on towards the Capital. When I think back over that experience, I remind myself that that was perhaps the only time ever that I have enjoyed anything in a church coming out of a loudspeaker! = Well, of course, except occasional sermons!   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:20:20 EDT   Dear Robert:   The computer systems designed by Truesdale do actually recreate actual recitals by live organists. If theirs is run by a similar program it's not a CD piped in, the organ will actually be playing. All the keying and stop action data is stored on 3 1/2" IBM floppies. The really amazing thing is that two continuous hours of music is not unheard of on these. My church has such a device, and I put two hours of soft meditation music on a floppy with space left over. The church is open for several hours a day. It will repeat the music until turned off.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: RE: Notre Dame - Paris From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:30:27 -0400   I understand, I just find that scary. I'm all for good music and for the organ to really be playing but I'd much rather a breathing human, composed of flesh and blood, be seated there playing it and getting paid for it. That's what I'd rather. A CD piped is less offensive to me from the point = of view of labor not to my musical senses. A CD can be purchased and played = on a player. But to have a mechanism "play" the organ is, well, kind of a = slap, excuse me, ANOTHER slap in the organist's face.   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The computer systems designed by Truesdale do actually recreate actual recitals by live organists. If theirs is run by a similar program it's not a CD piped in, the organ will actually be playing. All the keying and stop action data is stored on 3 1/2" IBM floppies. The really amazing thing is that two continuous hours of music is not unheard of on these.  
(back) Subject: Angers - Correction From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:41:42 -0400   Dear List,   I mentioned on list a few moments ago a trip which took us from "Anger through the Loire Valley," which does seem a bit of a mood swing! The city is, of course, Angers.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com        
(back) Subject: RE: Angers - Correction From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:43:50 -0400   We won't be angered by that. ha-ha-ha...ha-ha-ha RBC   =3D=3D Dear List,   I mentioned on list a few moments ago a trip which took us from "Anger through the Loire Valley," which does seem a bit of a mood swing! The city is, of course, Angers.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com        
(back) Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:23:01 -0400   On 8/15/02 9:07 AM, "noel jones, aago" <zimbelstern@onemain.com> wrote:   > While visiting a music publishing web site, I came across the statement that > the > organ at Notre Dame, Paris plays all day to delight the tourists by = means of a > computer... > > We are all aware of the computerization of the console done years ago, = but I > have > certain doubts about the veracity of this statement...comments please, from > those > in the know! > Noel, I certainly HOPE that's not the case. But it brings to mind that = when touring Sweden's back roads one passes countless lovely little rural and village churches, all immaculately kept, and with precisely manicured churchyards/cemeteries. And all unlocked, of course. When you step in, = you notice on the wall by the door a plastic box with buttons from which you = can choose the music you want to hear for the next 15 minutes: choral, organ, contemporary, etc. There I can understand it, somewhat. But in Paris?   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: When to go to a 3rd manual From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:48:57 -0500   At 10:46 AM 8/15/02 -0500, you wrote: >when would you go from a 2 manual to a 3.   When you have 3 organs (not counting the pedal organ) instead of just two.   Much of this discussion took place when the merits of a one manual organ were considered.   jch        
(back) Subject: Re: When to go to a 3rd manual From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:23:24 EDT     --part1_73.242f8b11.2a8d67bc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/15/02 11:47:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, c.elders@tcu.edu writes:   > This layout sure gives me a more versatile instrument, to entertain my dog,   This is, of course, an extremely valid reason for going to three manuals!!   I have played several two manual instruments with three manual consoles (a preparation for the third division) and have found this to be extremely helpful. Coupler manuals are also helpful. In addition, floating divisions add a great deal of versatility. For a while there was a practice of dividing the Swell into two enclosed divisions which could be played on separate manuals or together. I've also seen organs in which the Great secondary chorus was relegated to the Choir division. It worked = very well.       Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_73.242f8b11.2a8d67bc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/15/02 11:47:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, c.elders@tcu.edu writes: <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">This layout sure gives me a more versatile instrument, to entertain my dog,</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>This is, of course, an extremely valid reason for going to three manuals!! <BR> <BR>I have played several two manual instruments with three manual = consoles (a preparation for the third division) and have found this to be extremely helpful. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Coupler manuals are also helpful. &nbsp;In addition, floating divisions add a great deal of versatility. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;For a while there was a practice of dividing the Swell into two enclosed divisions which could be played on separate manuals or together. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I've also seen organs in which the Great secondary chorus was relegated to the Choir division. &nbsp;It worked very well. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_73.242f8b11.2a8d67bc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Central/Eastern Europe From: "Hans-Friedrich Hell" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: 15 Aug 2002 20:36 GMT   Just talked to Hans Leitner, Principal Organist, Passau Cathedral. All organs are OK. 4 of the 5 organs are located on the rear gallery respectively in the ceiling. But, as the cathedral is located slightly elevated, the flood would have had to rise another 10 m, to reach the sanctuary level, where the choir organ is located. as a conclusion, there was never a real danger for the organs here. I don't have any info about Salzburg and Prague. In the south of Germany the situation has stabilized, with the tendency, that the flood goes back. In East Germany, especially in Saxonia, Thuringia, it is worse than hell... it is t h e catastrophy. And no end to be seen yet. If you see the pictures, you can only cry...and pray.   Hans-Friedrich Hell   <TubaMagna@aol.com> schrieb: >Any word on flood damage? Passau, Prague, Salzburg, etc. have been >underwater for days now, and we haven't heard anything about damage to >instruments. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:32:41 EDT     --part1_15a.12834411.2a8d69e9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/15/02 1:31:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > I understand, I just find that scary. I'm all for good music and for the > organ to really be playing but I'd much rather a breathing human, = composed > of flesh and blood, be seated there playing it and getting paid for it. > That's what I'd rather. A CD piped is less offensive to me from the = point of > view of labor not to my musical senses.   hmmm.... any "recording" of music is somewhat offensive to my musical senses, although I know that some is necessary. I would much rather that an = organ be equipped with a player mechanism so that the organist could record = music to be played later so that visitors could actually hear the organ rather than a recording of it. If it's going to be reproduced, at least have it reproduced by the actual instrument.   Think how many carillons we would never hear were it not for the player mechanisms. How nice it would be for the organ in a tourist church to = play on the quarter hour just after the carillon had announced the time!   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_15a.12834411.2a8d69e9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/15/02 1:31:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I understand, I = just find that scary. I'm all for good music and for the <BR>organ to really be playing but I'd much rather a breathing human, composed <BR>of flesh and blood, be seated there playing it and getting paid for = it. <BR>That's what I'd rather. A CD piped is less offensive to me from the point of <BR>view of labor not to my musical senses. </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>hmmm.... any "recording" of music is somewhat offensive to my musical senses, although I know that some is necessary. &nbsp;&nbsp;I would much rather that an organ be equipped with a player mechanism so that the organist could record music to be played later so that visitors could actually hear the organ rather than a recording of it. &nbsp;&nbsp;If it's going to be reproduced, at least have it reproduced by the actual instrument. <BR> <BR>Think how many carillons we would never hear were it not for the = player mechanisms. &nbsp;&nbsp;How nice it would be for the organ in a tourist church to play on the quarter hour just after the carillon had announced = the time! <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_15a.12834411.2a8d69e9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: When to go to a 3rd manual From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:39:04 -0400   There are some modest-sized Whiteford Aeolian-Skinners in the DC area with an exposed and an enclosed Great; the latter being a very small Choir in essence, if memory serves. These might have profited from a 3m console. = One place where I sub somewhat regularly has what was conceived as a 3m Schlicker but the positiv was never installed. You can couple down from = the Swell to the bottom manual, but can't register anything independently on = it. I seem to recall that the Skinner at the Biltmore Estate at Asheville, NC has the same stops on both manuals. The first time I was there, during a Christmas evening tour, it was very, very difficult to believe there = wasn't a person up there playing. The banquet hall is rather large and dramatic, but to my ear the organ is just plain wonderful in that room.