PipeChat Digest #3060 - Friday, August 16, 2002
 
RE: Notre Dame - Paris
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Sequencers
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net>
RE: In memoriam
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: In memoriam
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Improvisation - when it is and when it ain't.
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Sequencers
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: In memoriam - popular toons
  by "Paul Austin" <paulaustin1@btopenworld.com>
RE: Improvisation - when it is and when it ain't.
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: In memoriam - popular toons
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Prices for practice pipe organs
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Elvis' religious music--off topic
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
RE: Prices for practice pipe organs
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Notre Dame - Paris
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Notre Dame - Paris From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:50:47 -0400   There IS a difference between a recording of someone playing an improvisation and having an "improvisation" played again by a machine. = It's not a problem with my logic, it's a problem with how some folks are perceiving what the difference is between a recording and a replaying on this other thing, what is it called. Do you honestly not understand the difference between Messr. Blanc's recording and the computer repeating = what he played? Regurgitating what he played? That recordings was made on one particular date at one particular time and was recorded and that's one particular performance that you listen to each time you put on the CD. = It's the organ and the space in that moment in time it is not a replay on the organ possibly affected by air and changed in tune. Come back to the CD in twenty years and it's Messr. Blanc playing that organ at that particular time in history it is exactly and only that performance. But that other gadget is not. It is a different replay of a performance possibly changed = by the organ being changed or returned. It is NOT authentic a recording is an authentic reproduction. I may just not really understand how that = weezalizer works, or what ever it's called.   The stop list for the Sweelinck 10 is   SWEELINK 10   Bourdon 16' Principal 8' Stopped Flute 8' Flute Celeste 8' Gamba 8' Octave 4' Open Flute 4' Twelfth 2 2/3' Superoctave 2' Conical Flute 2' Cornet IV Mixture V' Trumpet 8' Vox Humana 8'   SWELL   Principal 8' Rohrflute 8' Viola di Gamba 8' Vox Celeste 8' Octave 4' Koppelflute 4' Flute Twelfth 2 2/3' Waldflute 2' Nazard 1 1/3 Sesquialter II Scharff III Fagotto 16" Cromorne 8' Oboe 8"   PEDAL   Principal 16' Subbass 16' Octave 8' Gedackt 8' Choralbass 4' Nachthorn 2' Rauschpfeife IV Contra Trumpet 16' Trumpet 8' Clarion 4' At the time (1999) the price was ca. $17,000 self-contained AGO specifications (you can get other 30 pedal flat pedal board) check the web site for more.. www.johannus.com Robert the Illogical but not the Bald (That was Charles) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Your logic escapes me.   By the way, how about sharing with us how much your Johannus cost and its stop list (sorry if you've already posted the stop list)?   Regards,   Randy Runyon  
(back) Subject: Sequencers From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:56:26 -0700   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0075_01C24513.919EE500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hello folks,   I've got my PC connected to the organ console (my office is right off =3D the sanctuary)....   I've found it invaluable for listening to balance/loudness levels, and =3D for recording purposes. It is very helpful to be able to make a =3D recording via sequencer, and later transfer to CD when it's quiet (not =3D ot mention cooler in the worship center and closer to proper pitch!). =3D Also, it makes it FAR easier to transcribe improvisations, and I also =3D use it as a composition tool - I can play back what I've just written at = =3D tempo and with proper stops (devoid of "human" expression, of course) to = =3D get a better idea of the sound. I can also correct minor misteaks =3D before recording to CD (don't get bent out if shape on this - it is the = =3D same as splicing together loads of takes to get a better recording.... =3D they've done it for YEARS now with recordings, this is just more =3D efficient....)   I've also used it as a learning tool - what to do if there is no =3D recording of a particular piece that is FAR beyond my technique to =3D sight-read? I scan in the score, convert to MIDI and (after adding =3D proper expression so it does not sound "mechanical") listen to the piece = =3D to see if I really want to give it several months of my life... I've =3D discovered several pieces that were quite striking when played a proper = =3D tempo... pieces that I had previously passed over when I stumbled =3D through them on a sight-reading run.   My point here is that the PROPER use of a sequencer can be VERY =3D beneficial....=3D20     Cheers,   Jonathan     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/02   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0075_01C24513.919EE500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hello folks,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I've got my PC connected to the organ = =3D console (my=3D20 office is right off the sanctuary)....</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I've found it invaluable for = listening =3D to=3D20 balance/loudness levels, and for recording purposes.&nbsp; It is very =3D helpful to=3D20 be able to make a recording via sequencer, and later transfer to CD when = =3D it's=3D20 quiet (not ot mention cooler in the worship center and closer to = proper=3D20 pitch!).&nbsp; Also, it makes it FAR easier to transcribe =3D improvisations, and I=3D20 also use it as a composition tool - I can play back what I've just =3D written at=3D20 tempo and with proper stops (devoid of "human" expression, of course) to = =3D get a=3D20 better idea of the sound.&nbsp; I can also correct minor misteaks before = =3D   recording to CD (don't get bent out if shape on this - it is the same as = =3D   splicing together loads of takes to get a better recording.... they've =3D done it=3D20 for YEARS now with recordings, this is just more =3D efficient....)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I've also used it as a learning tool = - =3D what to do=3D20 if there is no recording of a particular piece that is FAR beyond my =3D technique=3D20 to sight-read?&nbsp; I scan in the score, convert to MIDI and (after =3D adding=3D20 proper expression so it does not sound "mechanical") listen to the piece = =3D to see=3D20 if I really want to give it several months of my life...&nbsp; I've =3D discovered=3D20 several pieces that were quite striking when played a proper tempo... =3D pieces=3D20 that I had previously passed over when I stumbled through them on a=3D20 sight-reading run.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My point here is that the PROPER use = of =3D a sequencer=3D20 can be VERY beneficial.... </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jonathan</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><BR>---<BR>Outgoing mail is certified = =3D Virus=3D20 Free.<BR>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>).<BR>Version: = =3D 6.0.380 /=3D20 Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/02</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0075_01C24513.919EE500--    
(back) Subject: RE: In memoriam From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:54:14 -0400   I did it once with "Wait til the Mid-night Hour" at communion. No one was any the wise. I used strings mit tremulant.   It ought to be possible to play it in such a way that it would be undetected.   Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: In memoriam From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:54:53 -0400   And Grace land was a church before he bought it.   =3D=3D Elvis did a lot of hymns too! A whole record full at one point. You can buy it off the TV on CD now. He was Southern Baptist I think-----at least to start with.   Diane   "=3D  
(back) Subject: Re: Improvisation - when it is and when it ain't. From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:03:25 EDT     --part1_bd.2582d157.2a8e986d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I think it's a both/and.   I improvise by the seat of my pants. Because I know I can, I do.   I also prepare improvisations ahead of time, not written but planned so I know where I want to go and where I hope to end up.   Neil by the Bay     --part1_bd.2582d157.2a8e986d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I think it's a both/and. <BR> <BR> I improvise by the seat of my pants.&nbsp; Because I know I can, I do.<BR> <BR> I also prepare improvisations ahead of time, not written but planned so I = know where I want to go and where I hope to end up.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Neil by the Bay<BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_bd.2582d157.2a8e986d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Sequencers From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:08:32 EDT   Dear Jonathan:   Sequencers working with a score writing program, can actually print out your improvisations in organ score (Three Staves). Print them on your printer, and send to the publisher if they are good enough. Every computer program will approximate your playing, and you can go in and make adjustments before printing. Cake Walk claims to be able to do this. I'm sure there are others out there too.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: In memoriam - popular toons From: "Paul Austin" <paulaustin1@btopenworld.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:07:46 +0100     It takes all the fun out of it when you aim to disguise the fact the you = are playing a popular song as opposed to piece specifically written for the organ. I regularly play popular music. One of my favourites as the = choir exit is REM's Endgame. I get a lot of pleasure in seeing the faces of the congregation when they suddenly realise what it is. When England = gloriously beat Argentina in the world cup, I played........you guessed it 'Don't cry for me Argentina'. The congregation loved it and I got lots of nice comments. This is not something I would normally play, but I knew it = would get a good reaction. Anyone who is considering an Elvis medley this = Sunday, don't let it go unnoticed!!   Paul.   > I did it once with "Wait til the Mid-night Hour" at communion. No one = was > any the wise. I used strings mit tremulant. > > It ought to be possible to play it in such a way that it would be > undetected. > > Randy Runyon > Music Director > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio > runyonr@muohio.edu > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: RE: Improvisation - when it is and when it ain't. From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:16:14 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24551.01AE1A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   I guess it's a matter of definition and maybe different opinions. Yes, I agree you would plan an improvisation so you can get from here to there. = But I think even you would admit that if you play the same exact piece of = music that you've invented at the console the first time, it is no longer an improvistion! To me that would defy the definition of improvisation as anyone would think it. Something to be created out of one's intellect and presented almost spontaneously. I avoid saying off the top of one's head precisely because, again, as you point out, you do have to schematize something to start and finish with and work out a way of getting from the one to the other. So a recording of an improvisation is just that. It's been performed and recorded but not played again. If you want to listen to it a million times and write it down to play another time, then you have a piece composed = from an improvisation. Maybe I have a peculiar definition in my mind of what improvisation is. After all I don't improvise musically on any instrument, unfortunately. I don't think you can seriously tell me that if you sit = down and play that same "improvsation" over and over and over again that it's still an improvisation. RBC -----Original Message----- From: Innkawgneeto@cs.com [mailto:Innkawgneeto@cs.com] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:03 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Improvisation - when it is and when it ain't.     I think it's a both/and.   I improvise by the seat of my pants. Because I know I can, I do.   I also prepare improvisations ahead of time, not written but planned so I know where I want to go and where I hope to end up.   Neil by the Bay       ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24551.01AE1A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4916.2300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D041140618-16082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000>I guess it's a matter of definition and maybe different = opinions. Yes, I agree you would plan an improvisation so you can get from here to = there. But I think even you would admit that if you play the same exact piece of = music that you've invented at the console the first time, it is no longer an improvistion! To me that would defy the definition of improvisation as = anyone would think it. Something&nbsp;to be created out of one's intellect and presented almost spontaneously. I avoid saying off the top of one's head precisely because, again, as you point out, you do have to schematize = something to start and finish with and work out a way of getting from the one to the =   other.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D041140618-16082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000>So a recording of an improvisation is just that. It's been =   performed and recorded but not played again. If you want to listen to it a =   million times and write it down to play another time, then you have a = piece composed from an improvisation. Maybe I have a peculiar definition in my = mind of what improvisation is. After all I don't improvise&nbsp;musically on any instrument, unfortunately. I don't think you can seriously tell me that if = you sit down and play that same "improvsation" over and over and over again = that it's still an improvisation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D041140618-16082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000>RBC</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Innkawgneeto@cs.com [mailto:Innkawgneeto@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 16, 2002 2:03 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Improvisation - when it is and when it ain't.<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">I think it's a both/and. <BR><BR>I improvise by the seat of my pants.&nbsp; = Because I know I can, I do.<BR><BR>I also prepare improvisations ahead of time, not written but planned so I know where I want to go and where I hope to end up.&nbsp; <BR><BR>Neil by the Bay<BR><BR></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24551.01AE1A90--  
(back) Subject: RE: In memoriam - popular toons From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:18:46 -0400   I love it....   When England gloriously beat Argentina in the world cup, I played........you guessed it 'Don't cry for me Argentina'. Paul.    
(back) Subject: Re: Prices for practice pipe organs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:25:25 EDT     --part1_115.15dce782.2a8e9d95_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/16/02 9:35:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > A Buxtehude XL450ZTC999K model costs this much and that's it.   But the Buxtehude XL450ZTC666S costs less, but has equal temperament!! = ;-)   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_115.15dce782.2a8e9d95_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/16/02 9:35:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A Buxtehude = XL450ZTC999K model costs this much and that's it. </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>But the Buxtehude XL450ZTC666S costs less, but has equal temperament!! = &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_115.15dce782.2a8e9d95_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Elvis' religious music--off topic From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:25:34 EDT     --part1_10c.162d8b0d.2a8e9d9e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Diane had mentioned Elvis being Southern Baptist....actually he was raised =   Pentecostal Holiness, from what I'm told. I'm sure those old-time Pentecostals were just horrified about his dancing, since dancing is a = sin, unless it's dancing in the Holy Spirit. (I can speak of this from first = hand knowledge, being a member of the Church of God, Cleveland, TN)   Anyway, being a full-time funeral director now, I see lots of interesting things at funerals. One family I waited on told me that they didn't want = any organ or piano music at the service because they were bringing CD's of the =   deceased's favorite Gospel music. I always try to steer people into = having good music, but if they want something that will personalize a service, I = let them have their way, as long as it's not sacreligious. (They are also = paying a hefty bill, so I give them some latitude.....but I digress...) Well the =   day of the funeral, they came in and handed me a CD.....Elvis' Greatest Gospel Favorites. Being a lover of Southern Gospel music, I have to say = that the CD wasn't too bad....I prefer Vestal Goodman, but Elvis wasn't all = that bad. The family was so pleased that I'd let them bring in their own = music. I still thought that I should have gotten an organist to play at least = while the family processed in, just to add a little more dignity to the service, =   but they wanted Elvis....     Monty Bennett   --part1_10c.162d8b0d.2a8e9d9e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Diane had mentioned Elvis being = Southern Baptist....actually he was raised Pentecostal Holiness, from what = I'm told.&nbsp; I'm sure those old-time Pentecostals were just horrified = about his dancing, since dancing is a sin, unless it's dancing in the Holy = Spirit.&nbsp; (I can speak of this from first hand knowledge, being a = member of the Church of God, Cleveland, TN)<BR> <BR> Anyway, being a full-time funeral director now, I see lots of interesting = things at funerals.&nbsp; One family I waited on told me that they didn't = want any organ or piano music at the service because they were bringing = CD's of the deceased's favorite Gospel music.&nbsp; I always try to steer = people into having good music, but if they want something that will = personalize a service, I let them have their way, as long as it's not = sacreligious. (They are also paying a hefty bill, so I give them some = latitude.....but I digress...)&nbsp; Well the day of the funeral, they = came in and handed me a CD.....Elvis' Greatest Gospel Favorites.&nbsp; = Being a lover of Southern Gospel music, I have to say that the CD wasn't = too bad....I prefer Vestal Goodman, but Elvis wasn't all that bad.&nbsp; = The family was so pleased that I'd let them bring in their own = music.&nbsp; I still thought that I should have gotten an organist to play = at least while the family processed in, just to add a little more dignit <BR> <BR> Monty Bennett</FONT></HTML>   --part1_10c.162d8b0d.2a8e9d9e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Prices for practice pipe organs From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:29:12 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24552.D156D9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   That's why I wouldn't buy the XL450ZTC666S were I looking for another = organ nor the XF350ZT776D3174WQY, for that matter. RBC I don't want to grow up. -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:25 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Prices for practice pipe organs     In a message dated 8/16/02 9:35:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:         A Buxtehude XL450ZTC999K model costs this much and that's it.       But the Buxtehude XL450ZTC666S costs less, but has equal temperament!! = ;-)   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502   ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24552.D156D9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4916.2300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D347212618-16082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000>That's why&nbsp;I wouldn't buy the XL450ZTC666S were I = looking for another organ nor the XF350ZT776D3174WQY, for that = matter.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D347212618-16082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000>RBC</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D347212618-16082002><FONT face=3D"Footlight MT Light" color=3D#800000>I don't want to grow up.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D347212618-16082002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 16, 2002 2:25 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Prices for practice pipe organs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT = face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In a message dated 8/16/02 9:35:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">A Buxtehude XL450ZTC999K model costs this much and that's = it. </FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial = color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>But the Buxtehude XL450ZTC666S costs = less, but has equal temperament!! &nbsp;;-) <BR><BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; =   wealth &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24552.D156D9C0--  
(back) Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:29:13 EDT     --part1_4c.100ebcda.2a8e9e79_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/16/02 9:37:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > Here you go, THIS is my point. > RBC > > The only problem with midi playing the organ in a church is the fact = that > some enterprising board member or minister may try to save money and > collect recordings to knock the organist out of the loop completely. >   Sadly, I think it would work the same way with a CD, and it's a heck of a = lot cheaper to purchase a sound system and a CD player for playing the pewsak than it is to have the real instrument and a reproducible player. it = just depends upon how "enterprising" the board member or minister is.   I had this discussion with a Methodist minister once when he informed the organ committee that many churches were moving to recorded music so that = they got better quality for less money. I asked him to please be sure to = order some good sermons when he ordered the music recordings. The committee applauded! ;-)     Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_4c.100ebcda.2a8e9e79_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/16/02 9:37:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Here you go, THIS = is my point. <BR>RBC <BR> <BR>The only problem with midi playing the organ in a church is the fact = that some enterprising board member or minister may try to save money and = collect recordings to knock the organist out of the loop completely. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Sadly, I think it would work the same way with a CD, and it's a heck = of a lot cheaper to purchase a sound system and a CD player for playing = the pewsak than it is to have the real instrument and a reproducible = player. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;it just depends upon how "enterprising" the = board member or minister is. <BR> <BR>I had this discussion with a Methodist minister once when he informed = the organ committee that many churches were moving to recorded music so = that they got better quality for less money. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I asked him = to please be sure to order some good sermons when he ordered the music = recordings. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The committee applauded! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_4c.100ebcda.2a8e9e79_boundary--