PipeChat Digest #3063 - Friday, August 16, 2002
 
Re: Notre Dame - Paris
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: I object
  by "straight" <straight@infoblvd.net>
Advent compositons - Delete if not interested!
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
Welcome, New Pipechatter
  by <patmai@juno.com>
Re: Improvisation -practiced is acceptable!
  by "Randy Terry" <williamransomejr@yahoo.com>
Re: In memoriam
  by "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net>
Re: Improvisation - when it is and when it ain't.
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: rebuking Reubke
  by "Scott Davis" <stalan@ix.netcom.com>
Re: "Ballpark" prices
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Price of home organs
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Worshipful Atmosphere/Clapping--Way off topic now
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: Weddings, cyphers and strange stop lists
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Weddings, cyphers in crypts
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: OFF-TOPIC: crypts and Gothic architecture - DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: OFF-TOPIC - Gothic architecture - DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: I object
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:09:16 -0500   A sequencer is an easy addition to any digital organ that has MIDI in/out terminals (most do). It installs in about 5 minutes and costs no more = than $500. You can not only record yourself and play it back later, but also play 1000's of MIDI files readily available in the internet. I use the Yamaha MDF 3, its a great unit.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Notre Dame - Paris     > on 8/16/02 12:48 PM, RonSeverin@aol.com at RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Randy: > > > >... Don't blame the machine, as it can > > never take your job from you. Only you can determine how long your job > > will last, not a machine. A REALITY CHECK! > > > > Ron Severin > > Ron, I agree with you totally. I wasn't the one who complained about > sequencers. Nor did I voice any anxiety about losing my job to a = machine. > Rather, I posted a message in which I tried to draw a distinction = between > barrel-organs, etc. for hymn accompaniment and a sequencer playing > repertoire or improvisations (not live, of course!) in Notre Dame, in which > I meant to convey my approval for the sequencer approach to the Notre = Dame > tourist experience. I'd much rather hear a sequencer repeating the real > performance on the real organ of a real performer than hear a CD coming > through loudspeakers. By the way, I've been to Notre Dame many times (even > played the organ for a few minutes with Jean-Pierre Leguay pulling the > stops), but I've never heard the sequencer play the organ. I'm not = saying > it doesn't happen, just that I missed it. > I wish like anything I had a sequencer so that I could hear myself play > and improve, and also to see how the organ sounds away from the bench. > > > Randy Runyon > Music Director > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio > runyonr@muohio.edu > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: I object From: "straight" <straight@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:34:27 -0400   This is pipeCHAT, and I enjoy it a lot. I hate chatrooms, where everything disappears, you can't save any information, and one is sort of obligated to be there and participate or leave and miss it all. I work a little and read a little, do another job and read a little more. Email waits for me.   Another view, Diane S.  
(back) Subject: Advent compositons - Delete if not interested! From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:20:25 +0100   Those of you who also run choirs...   I've just put my another of my compositions on line for anyone who is interested! The text is that of the Advent Prose so if you're in the = process of thinking about your service music for Advent you may want to take a = look. Because of its chant like nature, the midi playback isn't really up to = much, so there's an mp3 file included too. There's also a picture of me on the home page for you all to laugh at! :os   score: = http://members.sibeliusmusic.com/cgi-bin/showscore.pl?scoreid=3D26151 homepage: http://members.sibeliusmusic.com/sbarker/   Steve Canterbury UK    
(back) Subject: Welcome, New Pipechatter From: <patmai@juno.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:55:06 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ----__JNP_000_2623.38d2.3184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi, Mike,   Welcome to PipeChat! Glad that you have been able to participate in the AGO Pipe Organ Encounters for two years. Where were those held? Who were the teachers?   Are you still in school? Very glad to learn that you love playing hymns.   In her church music and organ workshops, the late famous teacher Mildred Andrews (Boggess) used to say that playing hymns is the most important part of being a church organist, because everyone knows the hymns. Only a few members of the congregation are familiar with the choral and vocal music; even fewer are knowledgeable about the solo organ works which we play for preludes and postludes.   Pat Maimone patmai@juno.com (who now plays two hymns on a good Sunday) Post Chapel West Point, NY III/57 Aeolian-Skinner/Moeller console/Gress-Miles ----__JNP_000_2623.38d2.3184 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; = charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bottomMargin=3D3D0 leftMargin=3D3D3 topMargin=3D3D0 = rightMargin=3D3D3> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Hi,&nbsp;Mike,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Welcome to PipeChat!&nbsp;&nbsp; Glad that you = have=3D been=3D20 able to participate in</DIV> <DIV>the AGO&nbsp;Pipe Organ Encounters for two years.&nbsp; Where were = =3D those=3D20 held? </DIV> <DIV>Who were the teachers?&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you still in school?&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>Very glad to learn that you love playing hymns. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In her church music and organ workshops, the = =3D late=3D20 famous teacher Mildred Andrews (Boggess)&nbsp;used to say that playing =3D hymns is=3D20 the most important part of being a church organist, because everyone knows = =3D the=3D20 hymns.&nbsp; Only a few members of the congregation are familiar with the = =3D choral=3D20 and vocal music; even fewer</DIV> <DIV>are knowledgeable about&nbsp;the solo organ works which we play = for=3D20 preludes and postludes.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Pat Maimone</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:patmai@juno.com">patmai@juno.com</A>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>(who now plays two hymns on a good Sunday)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; Post Chapel</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp; West Point, NY</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; III/57&nbsp; Aeolian-Skinner/Moeller=3D20 console/Gress-Miles<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ----__JNP_000_2623.38d2.3184--     ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.  
(back) Subject: Re: Improvisation -practiced is acceptable! From: "Randy Terry" <williamransomejr@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:27:02 -0700 (PDT)   I won't go through Gerre Hancocks list of helpful hints, but when he = dedicated the large and wonderful organ back at our Cathedral in Alabama, I got to hear him = lecture on the topic, and later as a lone unknown listner, witness how he practices his = art using the same helpful hints he give to those of lesser ability.   If I recall correctly, the top three items on the list were: 1) Just do = it! 2) When in doubt, trill, and along with this, if you play something that sounds = amiss, just repeat the same thing a few times and it is no longer a mistake, and 3) REHEARSE = your improvisations before hand.   The following morning as he was getting ready for the afternoon hymn = festival, I found that he did, in fact, rehearse. I heard him create a French "Plein jeu" = out of the tune "Westminster Abbey," and he experimented with several musical ideas, and = at the service, the introduction was similar to the practiced version.   I now understand why it is helpful, indeed, makes a better musical = statement, to rehearse and try musical ideas before "going public." It is not to "pretend" to be = a better improviser than you are, but to make you a better improviser. With a = rehearsed form, harmonic ideas, subject, etc., you are freed up to create a better piece = altogether since you are familiar with it. We add to our own improvisational tools by = trying new ideas and patterns in a "rehearsal," where we note what works and what "don't." I = have never been able to retain a neat new "trick" that happened in a public setting, in = fact I often wish I could do just that. So everyone out there, PRACTICE that improvisation = to your heart's desire as it will only do good!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com  
(back) Subject: Re: In memoriam From: "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:31:55 -0700   At 01:40 PM 8/16/02 -0400, you wrote: > Elvis did a lot of hymns too! A whole record >full at one point. You can buy it off the TV on >CD now. He was Southern Baptist I think-----at >least to start with. > >Diane   His backup-singers, "The Jordanaires", were gospel singers, too.   Ya'll jealous, eh?? :)   Ron Yost    
(back) Subject: Re: Improvisation - when it is and when it ain't. From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:39:40 EDT     --part1_a6.2acc91d3.2a8ef54c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Well, I used to think "recital" meant "from memory", but that is clearly = not the case.   Improvisation implies "off the cuff" but in reality a little preparation = is a god-send.   While it is true that jazz musicians, for the most part, have tried and = true "licks" that they insert (and some do it so marvelously and creatively), = we organ improvisers have a far wider freedom to explore. However, we also = have some building blocks upon which we can rely -- namely, harmonic = progressions, formal principles (fugue, theme/variation, etc, etc,), and the like.   My axioms of musical life: once is a mistake, twice and thrice are improvisation.   Neil by the very warm Bay   --part1_a6.2acc91d3.2a8ef54c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Well, I used to think "recital" meant "from = memory", but that is clearly not the case.<BR> <BR> Improvisation implies "off the cuff" but in reality a little preparation = is a god-send.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> While it is true that jazz musicians, for the most part, have tried and = true "licks" that they insert (and some do it so marvelously and = creatively), we organ improvisers have a far wider freedom to = explore.&nbsp; However, we also have some building blocks upon which we = can rely -- namely, harmonic progressions, formal principles (fugue, = theme/variation, etc, etc,), and the like.<BR> <BR> My axioms of musical life:&nbsp; once is a mistake, twice and thrice are = improvisation.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Neil by the very warm Bay</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a6.2acc91d3.2a8ef54c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: rebuking Reubke From: "Scott Davis" <stalan@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:01:25 -0500   Subject: rebuking Reubke   > the Rebuke is entirely new to me. At Indiana one > just called it the "Reubke."   Clyde Holloway lingers on...? The Reubke Sonata was Clyde's major aria, and learn it we did! To this day, remember playing that in 407 on the Schantz.   Reubke used the "id=E9e fixe" from his teacher Liszt, and only, none other than Robert Anderson (SMU Dallas) provided a "text" for the final fugue subject, that being, "My butt is sore... from the night before..."   > This is what comes of being an English major as an > undergrad--some essential lore has been withheld from > me! Damn.   Filling in the gaps...   Cheers! Scott I.U. Bloomington, 1981      
(back) Subject: Re: "Ballpark" prices From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:09:04 EDT   Ballpark prices? For two ranks or eight? With independent 16' Subbass or not? Mechanical action, electropneumatic action, or electric action?   The fewer the number of ranks, the more costly the organ. WHY? You pay ONCE for the infrastructure: -building frame -chest joinery -wind supply -keydesk -etc. As stops are added, the burden of the initial investment is divided. Therefore the question of "average cost per rank" (a 2' stop or a 16' = stop?) can NEVER be answered, and will not be satsifactorily answered no matter = how often it is asked. However, letting a builder know what you want, and asking them to BID, =   will give you an EXACT figure. If that figure is beyond your means, ask = them to go back to the drawing board, if you are serious, and they will find inventive tonal solutions to give you a quality instrument, even if some = of it must be prepared for future addition. The best place to start? Look = at a little instrument they've built, and ask, "how much did that cost THEN, = and how much would it cost NOW?" Builders don't throw out their engineering drawings.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Price of home organs From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:26:27 -0500   There's a 7-ranker in New Jersey for free right now--listed on Church = Organ Trader.   My Moller Artiste cost me about $3,000 including flying to get it, getting = a rental truck and driving it 1200 miles back home.   I know of others who have home organs that cost from free to $5,000 for 16-18 ranks.   If you've got the space, you can probably do it if you search diligently.   Dennis Steckley "For I am possessed of a cat, surpassing in beauty, from whom I take occasion to bless Almighty God."    
(back) Subject: Re: Worshipful Atmosphere/Clapping--Way off topic now From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:27:34 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C2456B.BC8141C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Bruce, you mean the hills are not alive with the sound of music.   Jim H ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Cremona502@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Worshipful Atmosphere/Clapping--Way off topic now     In a message dated 8/13/02 7:33:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, =3D RMB10@aol.com writes:=3D20             ummmm... last time I looked, rivers don't have hands, and moutains =3D can't sing.=3D20     Thankye! ;-)=3D20   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres =3D http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502=3D20 ...an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053 = =3D     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C2456B.BC8141C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Bruce, you mean the hills are not = alive =3D with the=3D20 sound of music.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jim H</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DCremona502@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 13, 2002 = =3D 5:55=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Worshipful=3D20 Atmosphere/Clapping--Way off topic now</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a =3D message dated=3D20 8/13/02 7:33:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:RMB10@aol.com">RMB10@aol.com</A> writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 = =3D size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE><FONT =3D size=3D3D2></FONT><BR><BR></FONT><FONT=3D20 lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">ummmm... last time I=3D20 looked, rivers don't have hands, and moutains can't sing. =3D <BR></FONT><FONT=3D20 lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT=3D20 lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Thankye!=3D20 &nbsp;;-) <BR><BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres=3D20 http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health =3D &amp;=3D20 wealth &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0013_01C2456B.BC8141C0--      
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, cyphers and strange stop lists From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:15:48 EDT     --part1_135.13042ad7.2a8f19e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/16/02 3:19:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk writes:     > > Manual I > > Stopped Diapason 8' (B) > Principal 4' (A) > Nazard 2 2/3' (B) > Super Octave (A) > Tierce 1 3/5 (D) > Mixture II 19.22 (C) > > Manual II > > Open Diapason 8' (A) > Stopped Diapason 8' (B) > Flute 4' (B) > Quartane II 12.15 (C) > > Pedal > > Bourdon 16' (B) > Principal 8' (A) > Flute 8' (B) > Octave 4' (A) > Sext II 12.17 (BD) > Fagotto 16' (E) > > snip > >   hmmmmm...... very definitely unusual stoplist.... And, no, I've never seen =   anything remotely similar. Whose name did the builder put on the = nameplate, and do you know what he did to deserve credit for it!!?? Truly bizarre!   Just out of curiosity.... was it impossible to get to the offending cypher = so that you could proceed minus one note? Also, I can't imagine getting married in the crypt of a place like Canterbury (or anywhere for that = matter) with such a gorgeous space above. It doesn't matter how many were in attendance... I guess I'm just not a cozy chapel person.   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_135.13042ad7.2a8f19e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/16/02 3:19:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>Manual I <BR> <BR>Stopped Diapason 8' (B) <BR>Principal 4' (A) <BR>Nazard 2 2/3' (B) <BR>Super Octave (A) <BR>Tierce 1 3/5 (D) <BR>Mixture II 19.22 (C) <BR> <BR>Manual II <BR> <BR>Open Diapason 8' (A) <BR>Stopped Diapason 8' (B) <BR>Flute 4' (B) <BR>Quartane II 12.15 (C) <BR> <BR>Pedal <BR> <BR>Bourdon 16' (B) <BR>Principal 8' (A) <BR>Flute 8' (B) <BR>Octave 4' (A) <BR>Sext II 12.17 (BD) <BR>Fagotto 16' (E) <BR> <BR>snip <BR> <BR>What do others think of this? has anyone come across anything = similar?</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>hmmmmm...... very definitely unusual stoplist.... And, no, I've never = seen anything remotely similar. &nbsp;&nbsp;Whose name did the builder put = on the nameplate, and do you know what he did to deserve credit for it!!?? = &nbsp;&nbsp;Truly bizarre! <BR> <BR>Just out of curiosity.... was it impossible to get to the offending = cypher so that you could proceed &nbsp;minus one note? = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Also, I can't imagine getting married in the crypt of a = place like Canterbury (or anywhere for that matter) with such a gorgeous = space above. &nbsp;&nbsp;It doesn't matter how many were in attendance... = &nbsp;I guess I'm just not a cozy chapel person. <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_135.13042ad7.2a8f19e4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, cyphers in crypts From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:16:29 EDT     --part1_da.1c6b7acc.2a8f1a0d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/16/02 3:23:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > Isn't a wedding in a crypt a little bizarre? Is that common in some = places? > Well, I've heard that the only difference between a weddng and a funeral = is that at a wedding the guy doesn't know he's dead! ;-)   (running running running)     Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_da.1c6b7acc.2a8f1a0d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/16/02 3:23:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Isn't a wedding in = a crypt a little bizarre? Is that common in some places? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Well, I've heard that the only difference = between a weddng and a funeral is that at a wedding the guy doesn't know = he's dead! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>(running running running) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_da.1c6b7acc.2a8f1a0d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: crypts and Gothic architecture - DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:21:01 EDT     --part1_17e.cd78be3.2a8f1b1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/16/02 4:02:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > the nave (the body of the church, the long part of the cross) was only >   Open to grand festivities in 1976 for the Bi-Centennial. I used to have = a recording of the services; they were splendid. It was wonderful to see = the entire completed nave when I was there in 1978. Definitely a building I could live with every day!   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_17e.cd78be3.2a8f1b1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/16/02 4:02:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">the nave (the body = of the church, the long part of the cross) was only <BR>opened fairly recently when the cathedral was finally = completed.</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Open to grand festivities in 1976 for the Bi-Centennial. &nbsp;&nbsp;I = used to have a recording of the services; they were splendid. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It was wonderful to see the entire completed nave when I = was there in 1978. &nbsp;&nbsp;Definitely a building I could live with = every day! <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_17e.cd78be3.2a8f1b1d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC - Gothic architecture - DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:25:15 EDT     --part1_8d.1cc4738a.2a8f1c1b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   An interesting story told to me by the Verger at the National Cathedral = was of one of the workmen whose mother died while the cathedral was being = built. The workman went to the Dean and asked if his mother could be buried in = the crypt. The Dean said he would check into it. The following day he met = the workman and said that because of the many people who would want to be = buried in the crypt that they had to limit burials to certain people, and he = added that he hoped there would be no hard feelings. The workman smiled and = said that everything had been taken care of. His mother's body had been = cremated and the ashes mixed with the motar used to build the cathedral, so she had =   been buried there anyway.     Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_8d.1cc4738a.2a8f1c1b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>An interesting story = told to me by the Verger at the National Cathedral was of one of the = workmen whose mother died while the cathedral was being built. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The workman went to the Dean and asked if his mother could be = buried in the crypt. &nbsp;&nbsp;The Dean said he would check into it. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The following day he met the workman and said that because of = the many people who would want to be buried in the crypt that they had to = limit burials to certain people, and he added that he hoped there would be = no hard feelings. &nbsp;&nbsp;The workman smiled and said that everything = had been taken care of. &nbsp;His mother's body had been cremated and the = ashes mixed with the motar used to build the cathedral, so she had been = buried there anyway. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8d.1cc4738a.2a8f1c1b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: I object From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:30:05 -0700       Charles Peery wrote: > > I'm sorry, but I don't subscribe to a list such as this to have it > treated as a chat room. I belong to several other discussion lists, and > on none of them would it be permissible for one person to post little > separate one-line posts at 2:29, 2:45, 2:59, 3:23, 3:49, 3:52, and       Amen and Amen   Del W. Case