PipeChat Digest #3065 - Saturday, August 17, 2002
 
Re: "Ballpark" prices
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
RE: Weddings, cyphers and strange stop lists
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Cryptology....get my meaning?
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: Weddings, cyphers and strange stop lists
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
RE: Weddings, cyphers and strange stop lists
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Elvis the King Sunday
  by <Viquetor@aol.com>
Re: Advent compositons - Delete if not interested!
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: A dash of Dutch (Part One - LONG)
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
RE: Prices for practice pipe organs
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Cryptology....get my meaning? (NOC)
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: OFF-TOPIC -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re:
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
software/was sequencers.
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
A dash of Dutch (Part 2) LONG
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Cornopeans...<sigh>
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: OFF-TOPIC -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: OFF-TOPIC -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: "Ballpark" prices From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 05:53:02 -0500   Sage advice Sebastian. Thank you for your reply.   Tim    
(back) Subject: RE: Weddings, cyphers and strange stop lists From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:08:09 +0100     Hello,   This sounds very similar to the Chancel Organ at Grimsby Parish Church = (with Choir School)....a small extention organ used for accompaniment = purposes because the main organ is a bus ride away at the West End!   It works and it has real pipes....what more can one ask?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK      
(back) Subject: Cryptology....get my meaning? From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:23:20 +0100     Hello,   I find this obsession with tombs and dank holes in the ground odd, to = say the leat. Since when did Classical Organists emerge from their pits = to scrape the mould from their faces? I always thought that this was = the preserve of Theatre Organists!   However, I do have friends who have a crypt, but I have never dared = venture into it.....I can take their word that they have piped organ = music down there.   I also had a friend who got rid of Jehovas Witnesses very quickly when = they knocked on the door. He lived with a large family with many = children. Answering the door, some child or other would come to = investigate who it was.....it worked every time as he yelled at the kid = "Get back on that altar!"   :) =20   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK      
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, cyphers and strange stop lists From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:30:13 +0100   "hmmmmm...... very definitely unusual stoplist.... And, no, I've never = seen anything remotely similar. Whose name did the builder put on the nameplate, and do you know what he did to deserve credit for it!!?? = Truly bizarre!   "Just out of curiosity.... was it impossible to get to the offending = cypher so that you could proceed minus one note? Also, I can't imagine = getting married in the crypt of a place like Canterbury (or anywhere for that matter) with such a gorgeous space above. It doesn't matter how many = were in attendance... I guess I'm just not a cozy chapel person. "   The builder was Brownes, a Canterbury based builder who has a monopoly on most church organs in the area - fortunately the organ that I play in my parish church which is also a Brownes is much more 'normal'!   Unfortunately I couldn't get to the pipe... the whole organ is enclosed = and there were only 3 minutes until the bride was to arrive! The Bishop just said "don't worry, use the piano"!   Steve    
(back) Subject: RE: Weddings, cyphers and strange stop lists From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:48:56 +0100   A-ha!   What a co-incidence.....the Grimsby organ is also by Brownes of = Canterbury!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     Stephen Barker wrote:-   The builder was Brownes, a Canterbury based builder who has a monopoly = on most church organs in the area=20    
(back) Subject: Elvis the King Sunday From: <Viquetor@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:32:43 EDT     --part1_19d.7206499.2a8faa7b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   A Prayer for Sunday   O Almighty God, who has created, redeemed and sustained us all our days, = and showered us with unmerited grace and manifold blessings, we humbly thank = you for the marvelous gift of music, through which we offer back to you in = praise and thanksgiving as we endeavor to perfect the praises of your people, employing our talents in the positions you have entrusted to us as responsible leaders of worship. May all that we do, as your servants, = bring glory to you alone. But, this Sunday, O Lord, we humbly ask you to lighten = up a little as we borrow the crown of Christ the King to adorn the head of = the King of Rock and Roll. After all, Elvis did sing a lot of gospel songs and =   other stuff we'd like to play, cause it'll get a good reaction and the congregation will love it. And, the best part, we'll get lots of = compliments. So, if you'll explain all this to your Son, while you're slipping the = crown off his thorn-pierced head, I'll have time to get the music ready for = Elvis the King Sunday. Amen.   --part1_19d.7206499.2a8faa7b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">A Prayer for Sunday<BR> <BR> O Almighty God, who has created, redeemed and sustained us all our days, = and showered us with unmerited grace and manifold blessings, we humbly = thank you for the marvelous gift of music, through which we offer back to = you in praise and thanksgiving as we endeavor to perfect the praises of = your people, employing our talents in the positions you have entrusted to = us as responsible leaders of worship. May all that we do, as your = servants, bring glory to you alone. But, this Sunday, O Lord, we humbly = ask you to lighten up a little as we borrow the crown of Christ the King = to adorn the head of the King of Rock and Roll. After all, Elvis did sing = a lot of gospel songs and other stuff we'd like to play, cause it'll get a = good reaction and the congregation will love it. And, the best part, we'll = get lots of compliments. So, if you'll explain all this to your Son, while = you're slipping the crown off his thorn-pierced head, I'll have time to = get the music ready for Elvis the King Sunday. Amen.</   --part1_19d.7206499.2a8faa7b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Advent compositons - Delete if not interested! From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:19:50 EDT   steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk wrote:       > I've just put my another of my compositions on line for > anyone who is > interested!   Very nice work, Steve! Thanks for sharing it.   Victoria  
(back) Subject: Re: A dash of Dutch (Part One - LONG) From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:28:03 EDT   cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:   > > (In part 2.... crabs, mean tone, carillons and dancing in > the street)   Eagerly awaiting Part 2! Thanks for such detailed and beautiful descriptions, that one could almost see the city and the church.   Victoria  
(back) Subject: RE: Prices for practice pipe organs From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:47:35 -0500   I for one am very sorry Sebastian did not take seriously my request 2-3 years ago for a ballpark figure for an organ, particularly inasmuch as he initiated the discussion. The economy was good and I had money to burn, and offered to pay for preliminary plans. When one is in a true marriage partnership, however, there is compromise and in order to realize my agendas I have to concede to the husband's agendas also. With my organ money I bought a Honda CRV, a Yamaha grand piano (having rejected the more expensive Steinway because it did not sound as good) and a Harley Davidson Road King, and paid off some bills. If that was not sufficient money to purchase a 2-3 rank 2 manual practice organ for a corner of my home, then I for one am priced out of the market.   I am a lawyer and businesswoman and don't go in for haggling. I walk into a store and want to know the price for the features I want. I generally do some research and comparison before purchasing. When I invested in building a house, the contractor was able to give me a ballpark figure, and we went from there. I just think an organbuilder can do the same. I am not going to hand someone $100K and say, "Just give me what you think I should have for that."   At this point my interest in having an organ is waning, and there are greenhouses, gazebos, telescope observatories, trips, new farm equipment and the like vying for my hard-earned money. So because no organ builder was interested in my money 2-3 years ago I will probably never have one of my own now. Maybe in a few years I can part with the thousands of dollars of organ music I have collected and used.   Regards,   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of TubaMagna@aol.com   The worst residence organ inquiries are along the lines of, "I'm deciding whether I want an organ or a new car. Even then, my husband wants new golf clubs, so he may not contribute." I'm NOT making this up. How much time is the builder going to spend at the drafting table for such a request?        
(back) Subject: Re: Cryptology....get my meaning? (NOC) From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:53:07 EDT   In a message dated 8/17/02 7:21:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk writes:   << I also had a friend who got rid of Jehovas Witnesses very quickly when they knocked on the door. >>   I keep a couple of copies of Luther's Small Catechism by the front door. They aren't interested in hearing about my religion, and don't want to = take one in exchange for their Watchtower......  
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:02:29 -0500   I'm not usually one to use the reply button alot, but this one deserves it. Surely everyone realizes that educators on lists note the calandar date, dreading the first day back at school, only to go on vacation for "Labor Day", and then again try to gain control in the class room.   This is probably the reason for testy manners on lists.   Some friends of mine have suggested that if we could have just one shot on the first day, things would be much better the rest of the school year <G>.   Jon Bertschinger     "Storandt, Peter" wrote: > > Shut up! > > -----Original Message----- > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 4:07 PM > To: pipechat > Subject: OFF-TOPIC -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED > > Sheesh! Would somebody check the star-charts, please? Is Mercury in > retrograde or WHAT? I've never SEEN so much bitching and complaining on > JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE LIST I'm on ... music, fanfic, etc. > > Bud > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics> = HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org       > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org   > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:08:20 -0500   Welcome to the list Mike:   I play all sorts of "stuff". Lately though, I've been usurped by a CD player and people with microphones (they actually think they sing in tune too!). As result, I may be adding a second post and playing an older ADC....(people will know what I mean). It's really awful, and full organ isn't quite as loud as an 8' Bourdon that I'm used to using.   Hope you learn a lot from the list. I know there's always....er make that usually something interesting going on here.     jon bertschinger  
(back) Subject: software/was sequencers. From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:17:09 -0500   Dear list: I know this is almost off topic, but since I intend to use it mainly for organ work, I'm gonna ask anyway. reply pvtly to keep the adm. happy here <G>.   What are the joys/pitfalls of music writing/composing/printing software? I'd appreciate some specifics from people that use these, and especially if you've had experience with several different "brands". I want to be able to use my keyboard (MIDI) and sit and compose real time. I don't want to have to take a college course and spend hours editing and "placing" notes, etc. I really really really HATE to write out music by hand!!!! (and besides, I can't read it several years after LOL)     thanks in advance.     jon bertschinger  
(back) Subject: A dash of Dutch (Part 2) LONG From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:44:21 +0100     Crabs, carillons and Dancing in the Street     Nothing could be as good as Haarlem.....could it?   With much of Europe under water, we were extremely fortunate. Zandvoort = has a wonderful beach and a great racing car circuit, so after Haarlem = came a day of debauched relaxation and sunbathing; with a quick visit to = watch a few cars practise at the circuit.   It pays to allow a little time if a visit to Alkmar is planned on a = Friday; traffic being heavy and parking only available after extensive = searching. Alkmaar is very much a tourist trap due to the famous Cheese = Market, which seems to consist of grown men dressing in silly clothes = and rushing through the streets with cheeses precariously balanced on = what appear to be dog-sleds!   Annoyed and alarmed by all this obsession with cheese, we found a = parking place and sprinted to St.Laurent's church; old ladies falling = into cobbled gutters and beggars mercilessly cast aside as we made rapid = progress through the crowded streets. Nothing is more ruthless than the = sight of an organist on the trail of a Schnitger organ! Mark trailed = the rear, apologising and comforting the fallen and wounded.=20   Like Haarlem, St Laurent's Alkmaar has two organs.....a Koororgel close = to the crossing and, of course, the great West End instrument by Frans = Casper Schnitger, but based on the original Hagbeer instrument of 1640.   As things turned out, the second half of the organ konzert played by = Gijs van Schoonhoven commenced with the playing of the very old (1511) = Koororgel built by Jan van Covelens and recently restored by Flentrop.   This organ is tuned to mean tone, and the two pieces heard were the = Prelude in D by Scheidemann and a piece unkown to me entitled "Daphne" = by that Mr Anonymous again.   Now, it is some time since I listened to anything tuned in mean tone, = and it really comes as an audible shock to hear truly pure intervals and = the occasional "wolf". This organ sounded quite magnificent and very, = very loud in spite of its small size....the restoration has clearly been = a great success. There is something slightly surreal about listening to an organ almost = 500 years old, and still sounding so good.=20   Then came the moment when the recitalist moved swiftly down the church, = up the stairs and into the console of the Grote Organ at the West End.   Although I spent an hour on this instrument in 1982, this was before the = restoration by Flentrop and when the organ was not only a bit decrepit, = but also out of tune. Even then, I was aware of a fine sound, but being = wedged between the main case and the positiv is not a good place to hear = an instrument.........the echo sounded OK though!   This time, the organ was in tune, splendidly restored and I was in the = right place in the middle of the nave. To say that I was stunned by the = Toccata in A by Krebs would be an understatement....the sheer restrained = brilliance of the chorus work, the very thin chorus reeds which merely added colour = and, above all, the fabulous pedal reeds. I now realise that this organ = is every bit the equal of the Baavo organ, but in a very different and = purer way. The Alkmaar masterpiece does not, and cannot enjoy the same degree of = musical flexibility, but for the great Baroque polyphonic masterwork = Preludes and Fugues, there is nothing to compare to the sound of = Schnitger.   Although the organ SOUNDS loud, it probably isn't really THAT loud. It = is more a question of sonority, musical balance and voicing perfection = in what is not actually a vast church.....about 2/3 the size of Haarlem.   Having being bowled over by the full pleno and those glorious pedal = reeds, nothing could prepare me for the beauty of the quieter registers = and solo possibilities. Whether it was the beautiful Cornet or the 2rk = 8ft- Pirncipal used a solo register above 8 & 4ft Flute; the effect was = ravishing The latter combination was used for the beautiful "Ach Gott, = erhor mein seufzen" by Krebs.   In true Dutch tradition, unlike the Haarlem concert, Gijs van = Schoonhoven ended his half hour second half with an improvisation on the = "Old 100th". It was during this fine improvisation that I heard, for the first time, = the extraordinary tubular bell effect made possible by the use of Flutes = and the famous Cymbel Mixtur. At Alkmaar, the Cymbel contains not only = the unison and quint ranks, but also a fourth sounding rank (C plays F). = The effect is nothing short of astonishing and, as a solo combination, = perhaps unique in the world. (Are there other examples?)   The improvisation ended on full organ....possibly using as few as 20 = stops, with those magnificent pedal reeds strutting their stuff......a = fine ending if ever there was one.   The usual standing ovation was well deserved, but I was surprised to = note that almost no-one waited to thank the organist. I was glad that I = waited and shook his hand, his face breaking into a grateful grin = ......the recital was not virtuosic, but it was well prepared, well = executed and thoroughly musical ....what more could anyone ask?   Sadly it was time to go....but I had first to find Mark! I need not = have worried, for there he sat in church in the coffee area.....drinking = a bottle of Bier and smoking a cigarette!! There are certain things in = Holland which still take me by surprise, but at least he wasn't smoking = hash like the two teenagers on the next table!!   It was time to go and eat lunch, and as we wandered down a narrow = street, we passed groups of adolescents and children playing various = instruments....drums, guitars, an accordian and a flute; each with a = small hat for donations. A few yards further, and a street organ = bellowed out "Tulips from Amsterdam". Mark seized the moment by grasping = the hand of a Dutch girl and briefly waltzing past the = instrument......the admixture of fear, alarm and delight which her = expression converyed was magical. Her uncontrollable laughter followed = us down the street..   No sooner had we sat down to eat in a cafe, than the beautiful sound of = the town carillon chimed up.....so much music to enjoy on the streets = and only a limited time to enjoy it. We were soon back in Zandvoort for = a ittle more sun worship; the Saturday morning following, our last day, = before sailing back to the UK.   Saturday dawned and we were up early for once.....a chance to wander the = streets of Rotterdam and make a visit to St.Laurent's Cathedral. One of = the four organs was being played quietly as we entered, but alas, the = great Marcussen west end orgel stood there in brooding silence; a riot = of burnished tin and red casework. Mark was utterly staggered by the = photographs taken after the bombing raid on Rotterdam during WWII; a = completely flattened lanscape with the burned out shell of St.Laurent's = Church standing alone.....a poignant reminder of the inhumanity of war = and the hard won freedoms enjoyed in Holland to-day.   I had intended spending a little time investigating the open-air = Maritime Museum in the harbour area, but as we approached, all hell = broke loose on the streets. Unwittingly, we had happened upon the start = of a pop parade which snaked its way through the city of Rotterdam. = Rotterdam is a very young and vibrant city, and this was youth culture = with a vengeance.   What happened next took me completely by surprise. I was aware of the = fact that Mark had indulged in championship dancing, but when his feet = started tapping and his eyes watched the choreography of the = professional dancers on the street, I didn't QUITE expect him to = suddenly join in......with a passion! Nothing short of sensational, = just as he was "wowed" by my world and the organ at Haarlem = (especially), I too was "wowed" by his world....the sheer joy of life.   Still, I think it is best left to the up-to-twenty-something age group = rather than we "pipechatters". My own contribution to dance is now = restricted to increasingly scholarly performances of Bach's "Gigue = Fugue".   As the cacophony of pop music died away, the distant sound of bells was = heard as the town Carilloneur struck up with a Gershwin medley which = included "Love is here to stay" and "Summertime".   Suddenly, I knew why I loved Holland so much.......it is a sane and = balanced country in which can be found freedom of expression, great = energy, modernity, tolerance and people unafraid to enjoy themselves. = The balance is in the respect for traditions, old fashioned virtues and = a cultural heritage second to none.   For organists and lovers of art, Holland is a treasure-house which has = the power to draw back the weary and spiritually refresh them time after = time.   Until next year!     Colin Mitchell UK            
(back) Subject: Cornopeans...<sigh> From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:28:41 -0500   My question to the list would be: why bother with one? If you have an 8' Diapason and a skinny string...it's about the same affect. Last time I used a Cornopean, I wondered if it wasn't a real waste of material and time. I'd rather have a GOOD trompete with some character and body.   I'm sure there are Cornopean lovers out there that will be most willing to through some rotten fruit my way now <G>.   jon bertschinger  
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:15:53 EDT     --part1_bd.259206cd.2a906b69_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Why doesn't school start after Labor Day like it did when I was in school? = As a substitute, things are chaotic at first as it is, and then it is like =   starting over again. Our schools have changed schedules as well as = closing one school, deleting much of the music. This seems to be the trend in = this part of the country. If anyone knows of a grant that can be had for a = violin program in the grade schools, please let me know. Someone said there was, =   but I have not been able to locate where to get it to complete the forms. = Lee     --part1_bd.259206cd.2a906b69_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Why doesn't school = start after Labor Day like it did when I was in school? &nbsp;As a = substitute, things are chaotic at first as it is, and then it is like = starting over again. &nbsp;Our schools have changed schedules as well as = closing one school, deleting much of the music. &nbsp;This seems to be the = trend in this part of the country. &nbsp;If anyone knows of a grant that = can be had for a violin program in the grade schools, please let me know. = &nbsp;Someone said there was, but I have not been able to locate where to = get it to complete the forms. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bd.259206cd.2a906b69_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:40:11 -0700   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0052_01C2462E.483B9720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Lee,   My wife found a possible grant for you - shall I send you the =3D information?   :-)   Jonathan ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Chicaleee@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED     If anyone knows of a grant that can be had for a violin program in the = =3D grade schools, please let me know. Someone said there was, but I have =3D not been able to locate where to get it to complete the forms. Lee=3D20     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/02   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0052_01C2462E.483B9720 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Lee,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My wife found a possible grant for = you =3D - shall I=3D20 send you the information?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>:-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jonathan</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:Chicaleee@aol.com"=3D20 title=3D3DChicaleee@aol.com>Chicaleee@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org"=3D20 title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 17, 2002 = =3D 8:15=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: OFF-TOPIC -- =3D DELETE IF NOT=3D20 INTERESTED</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>If anyone knows of = a =3D grant that=3D20 can be had for a violin program in the grade schools, please let me =3D know.=3D20 &nbsp;Someone said there was, but I have not been able to locate where = =3D to get=3D20 it to complete the forms. &nbsp;Lee</FONT> <FONT =3D size=3D3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2><BR>---<BR>Outgoing = =3D mail is=3D20 certified Virus Free.<BR>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>).<BR>Version: = =3D 6.0.380=3D20 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date:=3D20 7/24/02</FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0052_01C2462E.483B9720--