PipeChat Digest #3066 - Sunday, August 18, 2002
 
Re: Weddings, cyphers and strange stop lists
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Prices for practice pipe organs
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: OFF-TOPIC -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Cornopeans...<sigh>
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Wedding "Recessionals" for an Organist
  by <OrganNYC@aol.com>
Re: Cornopeans...<sigh>
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, cyphers and strange stop lists From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:46:53 EDT     --part1_8d.1cce299c.2a9072ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/17/02 8:30:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk writes:     > The builder was Brownes, a Canterbury based builder who has a monopoly = on > most church organs in the area - fortunately the organ that I play in my >   It would be interesting to learn more of this builder's work. I'd be interested in the organ in your own parish church, being a stoplist = junky!! ;-)   At lest the Bishop didn't whip a little keyboard or guitar from beneath = his vestments!   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_8d.1cce299c.2a9072ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/17/02 8:30:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The builder was = Brownes, a Canterbury based builder who has a monopoly on <BR>most church organs in the area - fortunately the organ that I play in = my <BR>parish church which is also a Brownes is much more = 'normal'!</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>It would be interesting to learn more of this builder's work. = &nbsp;I'd be interested in the organ in your own parish church, being a = stoplist junky!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>At lest the Bishop didn't whip a little keyboard or guitar from = beneath his vestments! <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8d.1cce299c.2a9072ad_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Prices for practice pipe organs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:00:12 EDT     --part1_17e.ce364bd.2a9075cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/17/02 10:50:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes:     > At this point my interest in having an organ is waning, and there are > greenhouses, gazebos, telescope observatories, trips, new farm equipment > and the like vying for my hard-earned money. So because no organ > builder was interested in my money 2-3 years ago I will probably never > have one of my own now. Maybe in a few years I can part with the >   Glenda, Your note really saddens me, especially since I have been through similar feelings in the past two years. It is bitter-sweet to learn that there = are other things than can capture our creative affection and bring joy and fulfillment to us, if not as much as, but at least in place of a pipe = organ.   I'm counting on being able to have a house in Vermont and a pipe organ in = the next few years, but I've also learned that there are other things that can =   bring joy to my life. I'm glad that you're finding them as well, but hope =   that you don't have to give up completely on our beloved instrument.   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_17e.ce364bd.2a9075cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/17/02 10:50:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At this point my = interest in having an organ is waning, and there are <BR>greenhouses, gazebos, telescope observatories, trips, new farm = equipment <BR>and the like vying for my hard-earned money. &nbsp;So because no organ <BR>builder was interested in my money 2-3 years ago I will probably never <BR>have one of my own now. &nbsp;Maybe in a few years I can part with the <BR>thousands of dollars of organ music I have collected and = used.</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Glenda, <BR>Your note really saddens me, especially since I have been through = similar feelings in the past two years. &nbsp;&nbsp;It is bitter-sweet to = learn that there are other things than can capture our creative affection = and bring joy and fulfillment to us, if not as much as, but at least in = place of a pipe organ. <BR> <BR>I'm counting on being able to have a house in Vermont and a pipe organ = in the next few years, but I've also learned that there are other things = that can bring joy to my life. &nbsp;I'm glad that you're finding them as = well, but hope that you don't have to give up completely on &nbsp;our = beloved instrument. <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_17e.ce364bd.2a9075cc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:33:35 EDT     --part1_119.15eb854c.2a907d9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/17/02 3:02:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jonberts@magiccablepc.com writes:     > > I'm not usually one to use the reply button alot, but this one > deserves it. Surely everyone realizes that educators on lists > note the calandar date, dreading the first day back at school, > only to go on vacation for "Labor Day", and then again try to >   It amazes me that those in charge of education are so .... um.. well... = er... STUPID!   The constant screwing around with the school year calendar is enough to = drive people totally bonkers. There is little point in starting school before =   Labor Day, after all, it's still summer! What's wrong with running = the school year from the day after Labor Day until the first week of June? = All of the miscellaneous holidays and "teacher days" should be eliminated too. = We didn't have all that diversion when I was in school (yes.... there WAS electricity then!!).   It's no wonder they're all cranky.   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_119.15eb854c.2a907d9f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/17/02 3:02:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jonberts@magiccablepc.com = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>I'm not usually one to use the reply button alot, but this one <BR>deserves it. &nbsp;Surely everyone realizes that educators on lists <BR>note the calandar date, dreading the first day back at school, <BR>only to go on vacation for "Labor Day", and then again try to <BR>gain control in the class room.</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>It amazes me that those in charge of education are so .... um.. = well... er... STUPID! <BR> <BR>The constant screwing around with the school year calendar is enough = to drive people totally bonkers. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There is little point = in starting school before Labor Day, after all, it's still summer! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What's wrong with running the school year = from the day after Labor Day until the first week of June? = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;All of the miscellaneous holidays and "teacher days" = should be eliminated too. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We didn't have all that = diversion when I was in school (yes.... there WAS electricity then!!). <BR> <BR>It's no wonder they're all cranky. <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_119.15eb854c.2a907d9f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Cornopeans...<sigh> From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:40:16 EDT     --part1_19d.7275f26.2a907f30_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/17/02 8:28:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jonberts@magiccablepc.com writes:     > My question to the list would be: why bother with one? If you > have an 8' Diapason and a skinny string...it's about the same > affect. > Last time I used a Cornopean, I wondered if it wasn't a real > waste of material and time. I'd rather have a GOOD trompete with >   I had never heard a good Cornopean until I joined OHS. I have heard counteless wretched Trompets and Trompettes. Strangely, very few bad Trumpets. But, too often the name is not an adequate assurance of what = will happen when you draw the stop and press the key. My experience with = good Cornopeans gives them my preference over Trompettes; French reed stops = just don't seem to do well in our American buildings... they don't blend, and they are most often just ugly... all harmonics and no foundation. The germanic trompets I have heard have been consistently good reeds. I'm amazed at the consistency.   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_19d.7275f26.2a907f30_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/17/02 8:28:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jonberts@magiccablepc.com = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My question to the = list would be: &nbsp;why bother with one? &nbsp;If you <BR>have an 8' Diapason and a skinny string...it's about the same <BR>affect. <BR>Last time I used a Cornopean, I wondered if it wasn't a real <BR>waste of material and time. &nbsp;I'd rather have a GOOD trompete with <BR>some character and body.</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>I had never heard a good Cornopean until I joined OHS. &nbsp;&nbsp;I = have heard counteless wretched Trompets and Trompettes. &nbsp;Strangely, = very few bad Trumpets. &nbsp;&nbsp;But, too often the name is not an = adequate assurance of what will happen when you draw the stop and press = the key. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My experience with good Cornopeans gives them = my preference over Trompettes; &nbsp;French reed stops just don't seem to = do well in our American buildings... &nbsp;they don't blend, and they are = most often just ugly... all harmonics and no foundation. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The germanic trompets I have heard have been = consistently good reeds. &nbsp;&nbsp;I'm amazed at the consistency. <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_19d.7275f26.2a907f30_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Wedding "Recessionals" for an Organist From: <OrganNYC@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:00:29 EDT     --part1_9a.2a3a87d6.2a9083ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Listers: I need some ideas from this stellar list.   I have been asked to play for a very small wedding in which the 14 in attendance will be sitting in the choir stalls. The bride's sister and = niece will perform on piano and flute before the service, and during. I was = asked to play something at the end. This is the second wedding for the bride, = who is an organist (and my boss, btw), and the first for the groom. The = groom's father is a well-known organist in the Philly area, but, being in his 80s, =   has declined to participate on the organ bench, citing he'd need to come = in and get used to the big organ at Heavenly Rest, etc.   What would you suggest for a going-out piece? Everyone will be in the = choir stalls, and it will probably be hot and humid. There will be no movement = of people, so they'll all just sit and listen. I want to play something not usually heard at weddings (althought playing all of the Mendelssohn might = be very fun). I was hoping for something which could start on the back organ =   (which doesn't have much: 8, 8, 8, celeste and State Trumpet, plus Pedal = 16, 8, and all the couplers) which might move between the front organ in sections. A good college friend suggested (and faxed to me) Grayson Ives' =   "Intrada" which looks pretty good; it was written for Queen Elizabeth's = 25th anniversary service at St. Paul's London. I'll give it a try after church =   tomorrow to see if it can work. It's only 4 pages and seems to fit the = bill. But before I choose...   What would you play for a colleague organist who has a father-in-law = organist where everyone's in the stalls and none of them need or especially want to =   hear the usual, or be blasted out with something heroic and loud?   The wedding is September 7.   Thanks!   Steve Lawson, Assistant Church of the Heavenly Rest, NYC   --part1_9a.2a3a87d6.2a9083ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dear Listers: &nbsp;I = need some ideas from this stellar list. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I have been asked to play for a very small wedding in which the 14 in = attendance will be sitting in the choir stalls. &nbsp;The bride's sister = and niece will perform on piano and flute before the service, and during. = &nbsp;I was asked to play something at the end. &nbsp;This is the second = wedding for the bride, who is an organist (and my boss, btw), and the = first for the groom. &nbsp;The groom's father is a well-known organist in = the Philly area, but, being in his 80s, has declined to participate on the = organ bench, citing he'd need to come in and get used to the big organ at = Heavenly Rest, etc. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>What would you suggest for a going-out piece? &nbsp;Everyone will be = in the choir stalls, and it will probably be hot and humid. &nbsp;There = will be no movement of people, so they'll all just sit and listen. I want = to play something not usually heard at weddings (althought playing all of = the Mendelssohn might be very fun). &nbsp;I was hoping for something which = could start on the back organ (which doesn't have much: &nbsp;8, 8, 8, = celeste and State Trumpet, plus Pedal 16, 8, and all the couplers) which = might move between the front organ in sections. &nbsp;A good college = friend suggested (and faxed to me) Grayson Ives' "Intrada" which looks = pretty good; it was written for Queen Elizabeth's 25th anniversary service = at St. Paul's London. &nbsp;I'll give it a try after church tomorrow to = see if it can work. &nbsp;It's only 4 pages and seems to fit the bill. = &nbsp;But before I choose... &nbsp; <BR> <BR>What would you play for a colleague organist who has a father-in-law = organist where everyone's in the stalls and none of them need or = especially want to hear the usual, or be blasted out with something heroic = and loud? <BR> <BR>The wedding is September 7. <BR> <BR>Thanks! <BR> <BR>Steve Lawson, Assistant <BR>Church of the Heavenly Rest, NYC</FONT></HTML>   --part1_9a.2a3a87d6.2a9083ed_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Cornopeans...<sigh> From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:35:52 +1200   You must have struck some pretty dud ranks of pipes. Good Cornopeans are excellent reeds and not at all skinny or weak. Lots of fire, wonderful in chorus blending well with diapasons and mixtures and, in small organs, working well with 8ve and 16ve couplers, too. Ross   >My question to the list would be: why bother with one? If you >have an 8' Diapason and a skinny string...it's about the same >affect. >Last time I used a Cornopean, I wondered if it wasn't a real >waste of material and time. > >