PipeChat Digest #3068 - Sunday, August 18, 2002
 
Announcing Hymns
  by "Paul Austin" <paulaustin1@btopenworld.com>
Re: Announcing Hymns
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: Announcing Hymns
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Wedding "Recessionals" for an Organist
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Announcing Hymns
  by <RVScara@aol.com>
Today's prelude...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Prices for practice pipe organs
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: Today's prelude...
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Announcing Hymns
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Announcing Hymns From: "Paul Austin" <paulaustin1@btopenworld.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:53:08 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C246E0.1CA6B060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear listers,   I did not play at my usual church this morning, but I was asked to play = =3D elsewhere. When I arrived at the church I was told by the vicar that =3D none of the hymns would be announced. I was to start the hymns at the =3D correct time and the congregation / choir would join in. Unfortunately = =3D the service order was completely new to me and I didn't have a clue =3D where to come in. I explained this to the vicar in the hope that on =3D this occasion he would announce them. No! Fortunately I spoke to a =3D very kind chorister who offered to signal me when hymns were due. =3D Without this I would have been stumped!   Is it common practice not to announce hymns?? I have never come across = =3D this before. It must be very confusing for visitors It certainly was =3D for me! =3D20   I should mention the organ......It was a 2 manual Abbot and Smith built = =3D around 1900, and desperate need of a tuning!!   Paul paulaustin1@btopenworld.com   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C246E0.1CA6B060 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear listers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I did not play at my usual church = this =3D morning, but=3D20 I was asked to play elsewhere.&nbsp; When I arrived at the church I was = =3D told by=3D20 the vicar that none of the&nbsp;hymns would be announced.&nbsp; I was to = =3D start=3D20 the hymns at the correct time and the congregation / choir would join =3D in.&nbsp;=3D20 Unfortunately the service order was completely new to me and I didn't =3D have a=3D20 clue where to come in.&nbsp; I explained this to the vicar in the hope =3D that on=3D20 this occasion he would announce them.&nbsp; No!&nbsp; Fortunately I =3D spoke to a=3D20 very kind chorister who offered to signal me when hymns were due.&nbsp; = =3D Without=3D20 this I would have been stumped!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Is it&nbsp;common practice&nbsp;not = to =3D announce=3D20 hymns??&nbsp; I have never come across this before.&nbsp; It must be =3D very=3D20 confusing for visitors&nbsp; It certainly was for me!&nbsp; =3D </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I should mention the organ......It = was =3D a 2 manual=3D20 Abbot and Smith built around 1900, and desperate need of a =3D tuning!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Paul</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:paulaustin1@btopenworld.com">paulaustin1@btopenworld.com</= =3D A></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C246E0.1CA6B060--    
(back) Subject: Re: Announcing Hymns From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:13:31 -0400   Generally, liturgical churches do not verbally announce hymns, or anything = else for that matter, "Let us spray" excepted. Of course, reading aloud the parish announcements = in the bulletin is another matter!   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Announcing Hymns From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:22:16 -0400   Hi Paul, What an astoundingly arcane custom. The plight of a working church organist amazes me to no end when you are asked to substitute. You are expected to assimilate the instrument, sight read the music, and figure out the order of service as though you were simply driving someone else's car. Incredible! To create a bizarre analogy, that would be like me, a trumpet player, arriving at a gig to find out the instrument is a Tuba, the music is written for Piccolo, and I'm not permitted to know when to play, so I must guess. God love the wandering organist. An unenviable position indeed. I salute your ingenuity.   Happy Sunday Mike   Paul Austin wrote:   > Dear listers, I did not play at my usual church this > morning, but I was asked to play elsewhere. When I > arrived at the church I was told by the vicar that > none of the hymns would be announced. I was to start > the hymns at the correct time and the congregation / > choir would join in. Unfortunately the service order > was completely new to me and I didn't have a clue > where to come in. I explained this to the vicar in > the hope that on this occasion he would announce > them. No! Fortunately I spoke to a very kind > chorister who offered to signal me when hymns were > due. Without this I would have been stumped! Is it > common practice not to announce hymns?? I have never > come across this before. It must be very confusing > for visitors It certainly was for me! I should > mention the organ......It was a 2 manual Abbot and > Smith built around 1900, and desperate need of a > tuning!! Paulpaulaustin1@btopenworld.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding "Recessionals" for an Organist From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:31:54 EDT     --part1_e.23a95394.2a91340a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/18/02 1:01:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = OrganNYC@aol.com writes:     > The bride's sister and niece will perform on piano and flute before the > service, and during. I was asked to play something at the end. This is =   > the second wedding for the bride, who is an organist (and my boss, btw), =   > and the first for the groom. The groom's father is a well-known = organist > in the Philly area, but, being in his 80s, has declined to participate = on > the organ bench, citing he'd need to come in and get used to the big = organ > at Heavenly Rest, etc. > > What would you suggest for a going-out piece? Everyone will be in the > choir stalls, and it will probably be hot and humid. There will be no > movement of people, so they'll all just sit and listen. I want to play > something not usually heard at weddings   I have been enjoying using the Voluntary in G (IX, p 38, vol 29 of Tallis = to Wesley series). It's bright and cheery, but light and dancing. It can = be played in a variety of ways. I enjoy introducing it with principals 16, 8 =   and 4 (maybe 2), and using flutes 8, maybe 4, and 2 for the echo parts. = The fugue which follows the Largo Staccato is cheerful and can be played on a variety of interesting registrations. The piece is impressive = sounding, but above bright and cheery, and I think perfect for a wedding.   An arrangement of a Handel organ concerto would be fun, as well.   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_e.23a95394.2a91340a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/18/02 1:01:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, OrganNYC@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The bride's sister = and niece will perform on piano and flute before the service, and during. = &nbsp;I was asked to play something at the end. &nbsp;This is the second = wedding for the bride, who is an organist (and my boss, btw), and the = first for the groom. &nbsp;The groom's father is a well-known organist in = the Philly area, but, being in his 80s, has declined to participate on the = organ bench, citing he'd need to come in and get used to the big organ at = Heavenly Rest, etc. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>What would you suggest for a going-out piece? &nbsp;Everyone will be = in the choir stalls, and it will probably be hot and humid. &nbsp;There = will be no movement of people, so they'll all just sit and listen. I want = to play something not usually heard at weddings </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I have been enjoying using the Voluntary in G (IX, p 38, vol 29 of = Tallis to Wesley series). &nbsp;&nbsp;It's bright and cheery, but light = and dancing. &nbsp;&nbsp;It can be played in a variety of ways. &nbsp;I = enjoy introducing it with principals 16, 8 and 4 (maybe 2), and using = flutes 8, maybe 4, and 2 for the echo parts. &nbsp;The fugue which follows = the Largo Staccato is cheerful and can be played on a variety of = interesting registrations. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The piece is impressive = sounding, but above bright and cheery, and I think perfect for a wedding. <BR> <BR>An arrangement of a Handel organ concerto would be fun, as well. <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e.23a95394.2a91340a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Announcing Hymns From: <RVScara@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:35:44 EDT     --part1_94.2b10b500.2a9134f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I've played in RC churches for 54 years and at least since the "revitalization" of the 1970s, the Organist, or a Cantor, announces the = hymn number and title and in which book (hymnal or missalette) it can be found. = Hymn Boards are used in some places but not everyone can discern the = numbers if some distance, or poor lighting, is involved. We went to boards = (someone decided to donate them "In Memorium" and stopped announcing until we got complaints from older members, like me, who can't see the numbers from the =   back. I have played at a number of non-RC services where Service = Bulletins, containing the hymn numbers, were handed out and no announcement was necessary.   --part1_94.2b10b500.2a9134f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial Black" LANG=3D"0">I've played in RC churches for 54 years = and at least since the "revitalization" of the 1970s, the Organist, or a = Cantor, announces the hymn number and title and in which book (hymnal or = missalette) it can be found.&nbsp; Hymn Boards are used in some places but = not everyone can discern the numbers if some distance, or poor lighting, = is involved.&nbsp; We went to boards (someone decided to donate them "In = Memorium"&nbsp; and stopped announcing until we got complaints from older = members, like me, who can't see the numbers from the back. I have played = at a number of non-RC services where Service Bulletins, containing the = hymn numbers, were handed out and no announcement was = necessary.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_94.2b10b500.2a9134f0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Today's prelude... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:37:32 EDT     --part1_174.d34859f.2a91355c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Prelude Modal ... Jean Langlais   Without consultation with the minister, the prelude perfectly fit the = sermon title, "Intimacy with God." I preceded the prelude with a short introduction to Langlais and a brief suggestion for symbolism of the = piece.. The "modes" are part of a system of making music and can symbolize our methods of praying; the piece alternates A and B sections, with the A sections seeming to suggest our speaking to God, and the B sections, = which are simple and somewhat more etherial suggest the Holy Spirit speaking to = us.   I received lots of nice comments and was especially glad that most of them =   included that they really like the Prelude Modal itself.   What did you play?     Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_174.d34859f.2a91355c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Prelude Modal ... = &nbsp;Jean Langlais <BR> <BR>Without consultation with the minister, the prelude perfectly fit the = sermon title, "Intimacy with God." &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I = preceded the prelude with a short introduction to Langlais and a brief = suggestion for symbolism of the piece.. &nbsp;&nbsp;The "modes" are part = of a system of making music and can symbolize our methods of praying; the = piece alternates A and B sections, with the A sections seeming to suggest = our speaking to God, &nbsp;and the B sections, which are simple and = somewhat more etherial suggest the Holy Spirit speaking to us. = &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>I received lots of nice comments and was especially glad that most of = them included that they really like the Prelude Modal itself. <BR> <BR>What did you play? <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_174.d34859f.2a91355c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Prices for practice pipe organs From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:56:28 -0500   Antoni,   I wouldn't say all of the digitals sound so bad... Many pipe organ = builders are now augmenting real organs with "digital ranks" quite successfully for their clients. There are a few digi-org makers out there that use the = same or similar modular pipe emulation technology. The realism and sound = quality is amazing...   And no, I am not a digi-org dealer. I do, however, admit freely to being an owner of such a digi-fraud using this technology. Happily so ... Gees, for $30K I could have had the new organ and a nice vacation!   Cheers,   Tim    
(back) Subject: Re: Today's prelude... From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:03:34 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3112524214_359089_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   on 8/18/02 1:37 PM, Cremona502@cs.com at Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   Prelude Modal ... Jean Langlais   Without consultation with the minister, the prelude perfectly fit the = sermo=3D n title, "Intimacy with God." I preceded the prelude with a short introduction to Langlais and a brief suggestion for symbolism of the = piece.=3D .. The "modes" are part of a system of making music and can symbolize our methods of praying; the piece alternates A and B sections, with the A sections seeming to suggest our speaking to God, and the B sections, = which are simple and somewhat more etherial suggest the Holy Spirit speaking to us. =3D20   I received lots of nice comments and was especially glad that most of them included that they really like the Prelude Modal itself.   What did you play?=3D20     Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon50=3D 2 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053         I am familiar with Langlais's Huit Pieces Modales, of which the first is a real charmer, but not the Prelude Modal.   August 18, 2002 Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio 8:00 a.m. and 10:30 a.m. Moller 3/50-something ca. 1934   Prelude: My Soul Doth Magnify the Lord Marcel Dupr=3DE9 Hymn: I Love Your Kingdom, Lord (St. Thomas) Solo: Deep River arr. Harry T. Burleigh Dick Ruby, baritone (with piano accompaniment) Hymn: My Faith Looks Up to Thee (Olivet) Offertory: He Hath Exalted the Humble and Meek Marcel Dupr=3DE9 Communion Hymn: Now We Join in Celebration (Schmucke dich) Music during communion (unannounced): Schmucke dich, Max Reger; Rorate caeli, Jeanne Demessieux; Elevation no. 1, Marcel Dupr=3DE9) Hymn: Shall We Gather at the River Postlude: Gloria Marcel Dupr=3DE9   A brass quartet accompanied the organ on the first, second, and fourth hymns.   As the children departed after the children's sermon, I played a fragment = o=3D f Aura Lee (aka Love Me Tender): my tribute to the great American tradition of sentimental Civil War ballads, which only a wrong-minded person would = in any way connect to the Tupelo tunester who died 25 yrs. ago Friday.   We switched back to LBW setting 1 after having lived with setting 2 for = onl=3D y God knows how long. The transition seems to have been painless, and in = fac=3D t they appeared to sing with a bit more gusto than usual. I even changed = the Psalm tune, too.   The following announcement appeared in the bulletin: Piping Up (Notes from the Music Director) I have chosen movements from Marcel Dupr=3DE9=3DB9s Magnificat to honor = Mary, Mother of Our Lord, whose festival day is August 15 (see LBW p. 34). = Marti=3D n Luther wrote in 1521: =3DB3One should honor Mary as she herself wished and = as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How = then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise = o=3D f God's grace . . . Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the = sake of Christ . . . Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God.=3DB2 The Magnificat is the song of praise Mary sang when she visited = her kinswoman Elizabeth, as recorded in Luke 1:46-55 (and which presents an interesting parallel to the song of thanksgiving Hannah sang for the birth of Samuel, found in I Samuel 2: 1-10).     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu           --MS_Mac_OE_3112524214_359089_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Today's prelude...</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> on 8/18/02 1:37 PM, Cremona502@cs.com at Cremona502@cs.com wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2">Prelude Modal ... &nbsp;Jean Langlais <BR> <BR> Without consultation with the minister, the prelude perfectly fit the = sermo=3D n title, &quot;Intimacy with God.&quot; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I = prec=3D eded the prelude with a short introduction to Langlais and a brief = suggestio=3D n for symbolism of the piece.. &nbsp;&nbsp;The &quot;modes&quot; are part = of=3D a system of making music and can symbolize our methods of praying; the = piec=3D e alternates A and B sections, with the A sections seeming to suggest our = sp=3D eaking to God, &nbsp;and the B sections, which are simple and somewhat = more =3D etherial suggest the Holy Spirit speaking to us. &nbsp;&nbsp;<BR> <BR> I received lots of nice comments and was especially glad that most of them = =3D included that they really like the Prelude Modal itself. <BR> <BR> What did you play? <BR> <BR> <BR> Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon50=3D 2 <BR> ....an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC=3D 2053</FONT> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Hoefler Text"><BR> I am familiar with Langlais's Huit Pieces Modales, of which the first is a = =3D real charmer, but not the Prelude Modal. <BR> <BR> August 18, 2002<BR> Zion Lutheran Church<BR> Hamilton, Ohio<BR> 8:00 a.m. and 10:30 a.m.<BR> Moller 3/50-something ca. 1934<BR> <BR> Prelude: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My Soul Doth Magnify the Lord = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D Marcel Dupr=3DE9<BR> Hymn: &nbsp;&nbsp;I Love Your Kingdom, Lord (St. Thomas)<BR> Solo: = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Dee=3D p River = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ar=3D r. Harry T. Burleigh<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Dick = Rub=3D y, baritone (with piano accompaniment)<BR> Hymn: &nbsp;&nbsp;My Faith Looks Up to Thee (Olivet)<BR> Offertory: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He Hath Exalted the Humble and Meek = &nbsp;&nbs=3D p;&nbsp;Marcel Dupr=3DE9<BR> Communion Hymn: &nbsp;Now We Join in Celebration (Schmucke dich)<BR> Music during communion (unannounced): &nbsp;Schmucke dich, Max Reger; = Rorat=3D e caeli, Jeanne Demessieux; Elevation no. 1, Marcel Dupr=3DE9)<BR> Hymn: &nbsp;&nbsp;Shall We Gather at the River<BR> Postlude: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Gloria = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;M= a=3D rcel Dupr=3DE9<BR> <BR> A brass quartet accompanied the organ on the first, second, and fourth = hymn=3D s.<BR> <BR> As the children departed after the children's sermon, I played a fragment = o=3D f Aura Lee (aka Love Me Tender): &nbsp;my tribute to the great American = trad=3D ition of sentimental Civil War ballads, which only a wrong-minded person = wou=3D ld in any way connect to the Tupelo tunester who died 25 yrs. ago = Friday.<BR=3D > <BR> We switched back to LBW setting 1 after having lived with setting 2 for = onl=3D y God knows how long. &nbsp;The transition seems to have been painless, = and =3D in fact they appeared to sing with a bit more gusto than usual. &nbsp;I = even=3D changed the Psalm tune, too.<BR> <BR> The following announcement appeared in the bulletin:<BR> Piping Up (Notes from the Music Director)<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have chosen movements from Marcel Dupr=3DE9=3DB9s = Magnificat t=3D o honor Mary, Mother of Our Lord, whose festival day is August 15 (see LBW = p=3D .. 34). &nbsp;Martin Luther wrote in 1521: =3DB3One should honor Mary as = she hers=3D elf wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for = hi=3D s deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor = of =3D God, the praise of God's grace . . . Mary is nothing for the sake of = herself=3D , but for the sake of Christ . . . Mary does not wish that we come to her, = b=3D ut through her to God.=3DB2 &nbsp;The Magnificat is the song of praise = Mary sang=3D when she visited her kinswoman Elizabeth, as recorded in Luke 1:46-55 = (and =3D which presents an interesting parallel to the song of thanksgiving Hannah = sa=3D ng for the birth of Samuel, found in I Samuel 2: 1-10).<BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT>Randy Runyon<BR> Music Director<BR> Zion Lutheran Church<BR> Hamilton, Ohio<BR> runyonr@muohio.edu<BR> <BR> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Hoefler Text"><BR> <BR> </FONT></FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3112524214_359089_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Re: Announcing Hymns From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:13:06 EDT     --part1_35.2b7d4f34.2a913db2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I prefer that hymns NOT be announced verbally, particularly if there is a worship folder (bulletin) that has them printed. The organist announces = the hymn through his/her introduction.   Neil Brown   --part1_35.2b7d4f34.2a913db2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I prefer that hymns NOT be announced verbally, = particularly if there is a worship folder (bulletin) that has them = printed.&nbsp; The organist announces the hymn through his/her = introduction.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Neil Brown</FONT></HTML>   --part1_35.2b7d4f34.2a913db2_boundary--