PipeChat Digest #3073 - Monday, August 19, 2002
 
Re: Today's prelude...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Ballroom organ at Buckingham Palace
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
RE: Definitely NOT electronic organs!
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Re: Announcing Hymns
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re: Announcing Hymns
  by "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk>
Re: Announcing Hymns(semi-long)
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
RE: Today's prelude...
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Gold Pipes (HELP)
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: OFF-TOPIC -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@VASSAR.EDU>
Re: Definitely NOT electronic organs!
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Gold Pipes (HELP)
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(back) Subject: Re: Today's prelude... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:48:01 EDT     --part1_74.218c76c3.2a9218d1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/19/02 12:40:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes:     > local legend can go to................. Willis Carrier ( from Syracuse, = NY) > is widely accepted as having invented Air Conditioning. (And the company =   > still bears his name). > >   Well, poop! I'm just going to go throw myself in front of a Trane!!! = ;-)   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_74.218c76c3.2a9218d1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/19/02 12:40:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">local legend can = go to................. Willis Carrier ( from Syracuse, NY) is widely = accepted as having invented Air Conditioning. (And the company still bears = his name). <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Well, poop! &nbsp;&nbsp;I'm just going to go throw myself in front of = a Trane!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_74.218c76c3.2a9218d1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Ballroom organ at Buckingham Palace From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:15:02 +0100     Hello,   Somewhere, I have a detailed history of the organ(s) in Buckingham = Palace, but it is all rather mixed up with the history of the Royal = Pavilion at Brighton and George III.   However, a quick look at the NPOR surveys reminded me of the bare bones = details.   It seems that the Ballroom Organ was based on an eralier organ by = Lincoln (1818) which was installed in the magnificent and "over the top" = Royal Pavilion at Brighton; the play-den of George III. (A riot of gold = gilt and Georgian opulence, THIS is definitely the place to spend a = vacation playing "hunt the thimble").   This organ was, so far as I aware, removed to Buckingham Palace by Gray = & Davison in 1855 and then enlarged/completed in 1856.   In the NPOR survey none of the pitches of the stops are given, but by = deduction, we can assume with some degree of safety that the = specification is as follows:-   Pedal C - f 30 notes   Grand Open Diapason 16ft =20   Swell Organ C-f 54 notes   Bourdon 16 Open Diapason 8 Stopd Diapason 8 Principal 4 Mixture 15.19.22 ?? No. of ranks unknown Cornopean 8 Oboe 8   Great Organ (GG-f 58 notes)   Double Diapason (Bass) 16 Double Diapason (Treble) 16 Open Diapason no.1 8 Open Diapason no.2 8 Stopd Diapason 8 Principal 4 Twelfth 2.2/3 Fiteenth 2 Tierce 1.3/5 Sesqiultera Bass - Sesqiultera Treble - Mixture - Trumpet 8 Clarion 4     Choir Organ GG - f (58 notes) =20 Stopd Diapason 8 Dulciana 8 Principal 4 Flute 4 Fifteenth 2 Bassoon 8     Althought the number of ranks and composition of the Mixtures is unknown = to me for the moment, I would assume (never a wise thing!) that the = divided Sesqiultera would be 17,19,22 and, assuming a 3 rks Mixture, = this would be a Quint Mixture of 15.19.22.   Interestingly, this organ has a C pedal but a GG manual compass for two = of the manuals (perhaps suggesting that these were from the Lincoln = organ of 1818?). Of even greater fascination in the inclusion of a = Great sub-octave to Pedal coupler (called simply Gt-Ped) which = additional ranks on a seperate soundboard.   I can probably find out more about this instrument, but I would prefer = to leave it to others with superior knowledge of this particular phase = in UK organ-building and specialised knowledge of Lincoln and Gray & = Davison.   Knowing what the "family" are like, it is unlikely that the organ will = ever be heard much.   Regards, Colin Mitchell UK   Bruce Cornely asked:-   This evening on Royals A to Z, a very interesting program on E! network, we were taken into Buckingham Palace and shown the grand ballroom. In a gallery in one end was a very handsome organ case with gilded pipes.=20   Can someone enlighten this stoplist junky as to what the instrument is and, of course, its stoplist!!=20  
(back) Subject: RE: Definitely NOT electronic organs! From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:44:45 +0100   Hello,   Rick makes a perfectly feasible case for "experience" and "tonal = finishing" on site....of course, he is absolutely right. However, the = fact that some noted organ builders have resorted to firing cannon in = large churches and using pink/white noise and "expert" acousticians = suggests to me that they, at best, had self-doubts.   (There are a few Canon I would like to fire!)   My brother recalls an amusing incident at a Steel Works. He went along = armed with Gas Spectrometers and temperature measuring equipment; = setting it all up and then climbing to the lip of the molten vat = wearing appropriate protection. He analysed the searing liquid and = suggested it was at the right temperature to "tap". The old man at his = side spat into the vat and said, "Nay, it needs a bit longer yet".   A few minutes later, the old man spat again and watched the "sizzle" and = the speed of it on the surface. "It's ready now", he suggested.   My Brother checked his instruments and realised that he had calibrated = them incorrectly and the old boy with the red face was absolutely right.   So what does this tell us?   The answer must surely be, nothing at all, except that wise old = craftsmen are often right but do not know why..........I am certainly = not questioning that sage-like wisdom.   Now, were I a Tonal Director for arguments sake, I would be less reliant = on "wisdom" and "experience". I "think" I would make very controlled = recordings in studio conditions of various types of pipework....the = quality of reproduction being good enough these days to make this a = valid experiment. I would want to know the relative strength of pipes, the tonal qualities = which might be expected from a given scaling, voicing and wind pressure = treatment IN THE PROPOSED NEW SITE.   In other words, I would be looking for easier ways of ensuring success = than the many, many disasters which litter the buildings of the world. = It seems to me that, at any one time, the number of real = master-voicers/tonal directors in the world is extremely small....hence = our veneration of certain "names".....Schnitger, Silbermann, = Cavaille-Coll, Cliquot, Harrison, Willis etc etc.   Rick suggests various noises and big bangs having been used, but has = anyone considered the digital alternative to this sort of nonsense?   I think I know what white noise is, but pink noise? Sounds interesting! = I think I once heard some when they televised the Sydney Mardi Gras!!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   Rick Maryman wrote:-   Well, over the years, many techniques have been tried attempting to predict the reaction of organ pipes in (particularly large) rooms. One dead-and-gone builder even resorted to firing a cannon down the nave of a large (cathedral) room in Washington DC, but when they put real organ pipes in the same room, the results were markedly different from the original acoustic guesstimates.=20   There are a few builders that work in conjunction with acousticians, utilizing state-of-the-art acoustic analysis (white noise/pink noise with spectrum analyzers) to predict what the scaling of an organ should be, but there is NO substitute for the human ear PLUS the experinece of a tonal director with YEARS of on-site work.=20    
(back) Subject: Re: Announcing Hymns From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:45:07 EDT     --part1_3a.2b30c8bd.2a922633_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/18/2002 2:14:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > I prefer that hymns NOT be announced verbally, particularly if there is = a > worship folder (bulletin) that has them printed. The organist announces =   > the hymn through his/her introduction   Does this happen to any of you?   Our church has not announced hymn for 75 years, and yet I observed while sitting in the congregation (during several weeks of vacation) that = long-time members will sit there, stand during the introduction of the hymn, then, = as if surprised, fumble for the bulletin and hymnal as the beginning of the = hymn starts. I'd think everyone would be looking forward and planning on how to =   maximize the participatory elements!   Ours is an overwhemlemingly R C community, where the job of singing hymns belongs to the cantor/choir. Weddings and funerals with hymns and many community folks are dreadful!   Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA   --part1_3a.2b30c8bd.2a922633_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/18/2002 2:14:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com = writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE = TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I prefer that hymns NOT be announced = verbally, particularly if there is a worship folder (bulletin) that has = them printed.&nbsp; The organist announces the hymn through his/her = introduction</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> Does this happen to any of you?<BR> <BR> Our church has not announced hymn for 75 years, and yet I observed while = sitting in the congregation (during several weeks of vacation) that = long-time members will sit there, stand during the introduction of the = hymn, then, as if surprised, fumble for the bulletin and hymnal as the = beginning of the hymn starts. I'd think everyone would be looking forward = and planning on how to maximize the participatory elements!<BR> <BR> Ours is an overwhemlemingly R C community, where the job of singing hymns = belongs to the cantor/choir. Weddings and funerals with hymns and many = community folks are dreadful!<BR> <BR> Steven Skinner<BR> Minister of Music<BR> First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant<BR> Erie, PA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3a.2b30c8bd.2a922633_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Announcing Hymns From: "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:21:10 +0200   Here's my euro's-worth. In my church (episcopalian) we have the hymn numbers up on the board and we print them in the bulletin. We also announce them, since liturgists like to do everything by threes <g>   And all this to no effect, as the congregation does what it darn well pleases....   As for trying to guess the hymn from the playover, that's a disaster waiting to happen.   Mark Harris All Saints with St Michael, Edmonton, London        
(back) Subject: Re: Announcing Hymns(semi-long) From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:39:01 EDT     --part1_182.cefe596.2a9232d5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Good Monday Morning Pipe Chatters,   We have a wonderful singing congregation and I feel it is partly due = to our hospitality as well as the skills of the fine organists! LOL (Pat = on me back) We announce the hymns or should I say "invite" the assembly to join = us in song as a need as well as a courtesy. Our large sanctuary houses 2 = large, attractive hymn boards in the front of the sanctuary. We have many early birds who like to place bookmarks in the hymnals prior to service time. = Yes, they do get ready to sing!! And THEY sing and sing! And we are = Catholics!! As some of the older people sitting in the back of our large = sanctuary may not be able to see the hymn boards, we announce the hymns. We are also =   located on the eastern central Florida coast about 3 miles from the beach = and we get many visitors who join us for worship. They do not always know our =   worship service order or which of the 2 Hymnals to use, even though I have =   them coded on the hymn boards, so we announce the hymns. You'all have a = good week!!   Sincerely,   Daniel   Our Lady of Hope Catholic Church Port Orange, FL   --part1_182.cefe596.2a9232d5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Moderne" LANG=3D"0">Good Monday Morning Pipe Chatters,<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We have a wonderful singing congregation = and I feel it is partly due to our hospitality as well as the skills of = the fine organists!&nbsp;&nbsp; LOL&nbsp; (Pat on me back) <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We announce the hymns or should I say = "invite" the assembly to join us in song as a <B>need</B> as well as a = <B>courtesy.</B> Our large sanctuary houses 2 large, attractive hymn = boards in the front of the sanctuary. We have many early birds who like to = place bookmarks in the hymnals prior to service time. Yes, they do get = ready to sing!!&nbsp; And THEY sing and sing!&nbsp; And we are = Catholics!!<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As some of the older people sitting = in the back of our large sanctuary may not be able to see the hymn boards, = we announce the hymns. We are also located on the eastern central Florida = coast about 3 miles from the beach and&nbsp; we get many visitors who join = us for worship. They do not always know our worship service order or which = of the 2 Hymnals to use, even though I have them coded on the hymn boards, = so we announce the hymns. You'all have a good week!!<BR> <BR> Sincerely,<BR> <BR> Daniel<BR> <BR> Our Lady of Hope Catholic Church<BR> Port Orange, FL<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_182.cefe596.2a9232d5_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Today's prelude... From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:43:02 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001B_01C2474B.B2BB8BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bruce is correct about the inventor of air conditioning. John Gorrie invented air conditioning, and was a vestryman at Trinity Episcopal Church in Apalachicola, Florida, which still has a very old Henry Erben one-manual pipe organ (perhaps the original one for the church, although there is some question of that). I thought last summer in the Pennsylvania sweltering heat at the regional AGO conference that It is truly a shame that he and Alfred Packer didn't join forces. 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(back) Subject: Gold Pipes (HELP) From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:51:59 EDT     --part1_125.151d993d.2a9235df_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Pipe Chatters,   I need your help and advice. Our installation is about a month = old. We have two beautiful displays of silver pipework on both sides in the = front of the sanctuary. The larger pipes are zinc with coke tin tuners. The rest = of the exposed pipework is gleaming spotted metal. It is quite attractive as well as quality sounding. I have been approached by several members of the congregation = asking me WHY the pipes are not gold as in their previous church. I responded = that gold pipes usually indicate a decorative facade that does not sound and = the fact that silver pipes are the natural look for the best sound quality. I also told them with so many pipes in our exposed facades, gold would be completely overdone. Any suggestions or help for me to explain in my newsletter article? =   Have a good week.   Thanks,   Daniel   --part1_125.151d993d.2a9235df_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Moderne" LANG=3D"0">Dear Pipe Chatters,<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I need your help and advice.&nbsp; = Our installation is about a month old. We have two beautiful displays of = silver pipework on both sides&nbsp; in the front of the sanctuary. The = larger pipes are zinc with coke tin tuners. The rest of the exposed = pipework is gleaming spotted metal. It is quite attractive as well as = quality sounding.<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have been approached by&nbsp; = several members of the congregation asking me WHY the pipes are not gold = as in their previous church. I responded that gold pipes usually indicate = a decorative facade that does not sound and the fact that silver pipes are = the natural look for the best sound quality. I also told them with so many = pipes in our exposed facades, gold would be completely overdone.<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Any suggestions or help for me to = explain in my newsletter article? Have a good week.<BR> <BR> Thanks,<BR> <BR> Daniel<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></HTML>   --part1_125.151d993d.2a9235df_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC -- DELETE IF NOT INTERESTED From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@VASSAR.EDU> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:02:02 -0700   >> > > >It amazes me that those in charge of education are so .... um.. >well... er... STUPID! > >The constant screwing around with the school year calendar is enough >to drive people totally bonkers. There is little point in >starting school before Labor Day, after all, it's still summer! > What's wrong with running the school year from the day after >Labor Day until the first week of June? All of the miscellaneous >holidays and "teacher days" should be eliminated too. We didn't >have all that diversion when I was in school (yes.... there WAS >electricity then!!). > >It's no wonder they're all cranky. > >Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 >...an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   My wife is a music teacher in public school and organist as well(for topicality's sake!). They found that with a all those holidays falling on monday there was a disproportionate number of monday class sessions missing from the 5 day schedule. So they changed to a six day schedule!! that is instead of Mon - Fri, is is now Day A through F. try that one on for size... The teachers AND kids are going nuts trying to remember what day it is....   john V  
(back) Subject: Re: Definitely NOT electronic organs! From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:22:49 EDT   Successful pipe organs have been scaled, voiced, and finished for = centuries without laboratories, oscilloscopes, purple noise, or canon.  
(back) Subject: Re: Gold Pipes (HELP) From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:32:10 EDT   Dear Daniel: Genuine gold leaf looks fine, but the funds should probably be spent = on pipes. Most "gold" facade pipes look like funeral home radiators, because = they use cheap spray paint. Without taking count, I'd venture to say that most pipe organs throughout history have NOT had tacky gold paint on their = facade pipes.   Gilded mouths on plain metal pipes can be an elegant compromise. It = can be done if the pipes have "let in" mouths rather than "flatted" upper = lips, and you get a very crisp look. It's a small amount of gold leaf, so not = that costly, but the real thing LOOKS real. Don't use "Dutch Metal," which is actually a copper or brass leaf product and can turn GREEN over time.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City