PipeChat Digest #3088 - Saturday, August 24, 2002
 
Re: hymn gude
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: hymn gude
  by "J. Nathan" <jnatpat@infi.net>
The St. Anne as a wedding processional
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
St. John's College, Cambridge
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Strange requests
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: St. John's College, Cambridge
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Strange requests
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: Strange requests
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Strange requests
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Strange requests
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
RE.: STRANGE REQUESTS
  by "Douglas Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
music in society/education/ was strange requests.
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: RE.: STRANGE REQUESTS
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: music in society/education/ was strange requests.
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Re:BR Flentrop
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: hymn gude From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:05:23 EDT     --part1_102.1a31c1e0.2a995d23_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/24/2002 3:10:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, highnote@mhtc.net writes:     > Slightly off topic, but you guys are the experts. Is there a hymn guide = much > like the Episcopal Musicians Hnadbook which follows the lectionary and > references several Protestant hymnals. I would even find a general guide > which just provides suggested first lines a big help without any = reference >   Presbyterian Assoc. of Musicians >used to< (maybve still does, ...I'm not sure) published a quarterly magazine that listed the upcoming quarter (3 months) lectionery readings, suggested hymns and choir anthems and organ prelude, offertory, and postlude suggestions, mostly hymn-tune related.   AGO magazine also publishes a monthly column by Marilyn Stulken (sp?) with =   similar music suggestions.   Rick in VA   --part1_102.1a31c1e0.2a995d23_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/24/2002 3:10:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, highnote@mhtc.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Slightly off = topic, but you guys are the experts. Is there a hymn guide much <BR>like the Episcopal Musicians Hnadbook which follows the lectionary and <BR>references several Protestant hymnals. I would even find a general = guide <BR>which just provides suggested first lines a big help without any = reference <BR>to a specific hymnal. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Presbyterian Assoc. of Musicians &gt;used to&lt; (maybve still does, = ...I'm not sure) published a quarterly magazine that listed the upcoming = quarter (3 months) lectionery readings, suggested hymns and choir anthems = and organ prelude, offertory, and postlude suggestions, mostly hymn-tune = related. <BR> <BR>AGO magazine also publishes a monthly column by Marilyn Stulken (sp?) = with similar music suggestions. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_102.1a31c1e0.2a995d23_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: hymn gude From: "J. Nathan" <jnatpat@infi.net> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:44:14 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001C_01C24B9E.3E524450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi~ The United Methodist Publishing House publishes a yearly guide to =3D liturgy, hymns, anthem suggestions and other helpful information. I am = =3D at home and don't have mine available, but it is available from =3D Concordia at a reasonable price.   Good luck!   JNP FUMC - Organist =3D20 St. Peter's Episcopal - Organist/Choirmaster Paducah, Ky     In a message dated 8/24/2002 3:10:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =3D highnote@mhtc.net writes:=3D20       Slightly off topic, but you guys are the experts. Is there a hymn =3D guide much=3D20 like the Episcopal Musicians Hnadbook which follows the lectionary =3D and=3D20 references several Protestant hymnals.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001C_01C24B9E.3E524450 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Palatino Linotype">Hi~<BR>The United Methodist =3D Publishing House=3D20 publishes a yearly guide to liturgy, hymns, anthem suggestions and other = =3D helpful=3D20 information.&nbsp; I am at home and don't have mine available, but it is = =3D   available from Concordia at a reasonable price.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Palatino Linotype"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Palatino Linotype">Good luck!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Palatino Linotype"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Palatino Linotype">JNP</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Palatino Linotype">FUMC - = Organist&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Palatino Linotype">St. Peter's Episcopal -=3D20 Organist/Choirmaster</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Palatino Linotype">Paducah, Ky</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a =3D message dated=3D20 8/24/2002 3:10:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:highnote@mhtc.net">highnote@mhtc.net</A> writes: =3D <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">Slightly off topic, but you guys are the experts. Is =3D there a=3D20 hymn guide much <BR>like the Episcopal Musicians Hnadbook which =3D follows the=3D20 lectionary and <BR>references several Protestant=3D20 hymnals.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001C_01C24B9E.3E524450--      
(back) Subject: The St. Anne as a wedding processional From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:37:39 -0500   I caught the end of some TV movie named "Grace Kelly" today, and for the wedding processional the music was unmistakably the E flat prelude. Grace was before my time - does anyone know whether it was actually used for her wedding processional?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: St. John's College, Cambridge From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:43:04 -0500   Today I was perusing my CD collection, and found one of the choir of St. John's College, Cambridge, with George Guest. Organists included Guest, Stephen Cleobury, Peter White, and Brian Runnett.   However, the CD had no liner notes. I was wondering about the organ(s) of St. John's, if anyone can provide the information.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Strange requests From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:44:50 -0500     Several years ago, I played "last minute" for a wedding mass at a neighborhood church. Father knew my style and judgment, so I was pretty much at ease. I knew what to expect from him in the service as well, and that he usually included information about corned beef and cabbage somewhere in his messages (no, I'm really serious!).   During the middle of the prelude, a small boy clambered up the steps and passed me a piece of sheet music. His sister (THE BRIDE) wanted it during communion. I asked the boy if Father had approved it, and he said yes (I now wonder if it was the boy's father he thought I was speaking of.) I laid the piece on top of the console face down, ready to pull onto the music rack.   At the appropriate time, I opened the piece. To my horror it was "Hawaiian Wedding Song", complete with a picture of Don Ho on the cover, and hula girls all around (they were good looking too!) I did my best to "liturgicalize" the music, and managed to get all the right notes.   After the service, Father approached me "Jon, I know I've heard that piece someplace before. It was very nice and seemed very appropriate during the Mass. Could you leave me a copy?"   I explained to him what happened, he had a big laugh, and I did leave the copy for him.     jon bertschinger  
(back) Subject: Re: St. John's College, Cambridge From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:45:59 -0400   Hi Glenda and Others,   The organ on the recordings would have been the old Hill, Norman & Beard, = if I am not mistaken, which I could be. The present Organ is a mechanical instrument by Mander, 1994 (about which I am NOT mistaken), retaining the old and historic <en chamade> reed (electric action). You can find = complete information and a specification on our website, address below. Click on "Portfolio," and scroll down to St. John's.   Enjoy,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 8:43 PM Subject: St. John's College, Cambridge     > Today I was perusing my CD collection, and found one of the choir of St. > John's College, Cambridge, with George Guest. Organists included Guest, > Stephen Cleobury, Peter White, and Brian Runnett. > > However, the CD had no liner notes. I was wondering about the organ(s) > of St. John's, if anyone can provide the information. > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com >        
(back) Subject: Re: Strange requests From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:58:09 -0500   > Paul Austin wrote:   > to Shania Twain. What ever happpened to Bach, Mendelsshon and > Wagner!!! > How times are changing. > Paul. Paul and List: I bet if we were to "go on the street" and ask about Bach, Mendelssohn and Wagner, most "kids" would just give us a blank stare. A big problem with most music programs in public teaching is that they are "optional"...unlike football or basketball. And so many institutions feed junk to the kids, just to keep the music programs going. Maybe later in this century Bach and others will be "rediscovered".   jon bertschinger  
(back) Subject: Re: Strange requests From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:15:05 EDT     --part1_c1.25d1dd96.2a9997a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Most of the weddings in this area are now using taped music, thus not = giving the organists (what few there are here) an opportunity to play for them. There are very few traditional weddings here now. Most of them are = outside in a garden or park.   The most unusual request I had for a wedding recessional was "Take Me Out = to the Ball Game." Lee (Just back from New York and a wonderful visit with Alan, as well as having Communion at St. Luke's)   --part1_c1.25d1dd96.2a9997a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Most of the weddings in = this area are now using taped music, thus not giving the organists (what = few there are here) an opportunity to play for them. &nbsp;There are very = few traditional weddings here now. &nbsp;Most of them are outside in a = garden or park. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>The most unusual request I had for a wedding recessional was "Take Me = Out to the Ball Game." &nbsp;Lee (Just back from New York and a wonderful = visit with Alan, as well as having Communion at St. Luke's)</FONT></HTML>   --part1_c1.25d1dd96.2a9997a9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Strange requests From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:19:42 EDT   Dear Jon:   Hasn't it occured to you yet, that music programs have been dropped more or less on purpose. Parents who home teach are well aware of it. The name of the game is to dumb kids down. I know, because I was having none of it as a teacher for 30+ years. Music was dropped because it offered kids an opportunity to grow in poise and mastery. Classical music never hurt anybody, in fact I prefer it to listen to. When the = people wake up, they'll realize, poise and mastery was not part of the agenda. I encouraged music for children, and I didn't make many friends among the agenda crowd. I encouraged kids to read, and write too, and take mathmatics seriously. Boy, was I out of step with this crowd. Solution: Parents take back local control of your child's educatrion, and don't be silent bystanders. Disenfranchise state controlled education, and make school boards ultimately responsible again. If education is going to meet the needs of children, or your grandchildren, then the nonsense must be stopped.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Strange requests From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:29:40 EDT     --part1_81.207b4e9d.2a999b14_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Ron,   There are many grants available to schools to enhance or start a music program. The problem is that many teachers do not know about them. They = are on the Internet under Government grants. Lee   --part1_81.207b4e9d.2a999b14_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ron, <BR> <BR>There are many grants available to schools to enhance or start a music = program. &nbsp;The problem is that many teachers do not know about them. = &nbsp;They are on the Internet under Government grants. = &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_81.207b4e9d.2a999b14_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE.: STRANGE REQUESTS From: "Douglas Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:33:48 -0700 (PDT)   These pseudo-ecclesiastical racketteers (a.k.a. ministers) have turned the church into a multi-billion-dollar-a-year racket, and the present day philosophy is to throw good taste (if any) to the wind and give the people what they want instead of establishing standards and maintaining them.   If these "modern youngsters" know in advance that the church will not allow anyone to turn it into a hootenanny, they'll know in advance not to ask for inappropriate "music" and go elsewhere to a place where they know they can do any type of trash they want.   If a church has thrown standards aside and adopted a "Give the people what they want" policy, why bother with it? I am not going to subject myself to a "Christian Orgy" when I leave the church wondering why   the hell I bothered to go in the first place.   D. Keith Morgan     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: music in society/education/ was strange requests. From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:55:11 -0500   Dear Ron:   When I was an active member in Illinois State Music Teachers Assn. and MTNA (? it's been so long ago, I've forgotten), we were working with the local school district to allow students piano/organ lessons during school hours, just like band students. We were soundly defeated each time. There were school districts in Illinois at that time that did allow piano lessons during school hours, but not ours. At that time I had over 80 students, adult and children, beginning, intermediate and one or two advanced. Scheduling lessons to fit other school needs was pure hell at times. Needless to say, I got burnt out, and returned to organ and piano service work (in my youth, one of my instructors encouraged me to do that....she knew I'd never make it in the big leagues <G>). Sadly it's much easier for a "jock" to be well liked and "famous" than a good student and musician/artist/mathmetician/etc. I'm actually thankful to not have children and grandchildren in the world...worrying about what is to come of society and their lives in the near future. While I'm certainly not a genius or was never a really good student, I do appreciate brain power, something that we are losing in our society.   just my humble thoughts.  
(back) Subject: Re: RE.: STRANGE REQUESTS From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:47:03 EDT     --part1_a4.2b004950.2a99ad37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Keith, I agree with you. Most of the churches where I have played went = with the bride's wishes. Only one had strict rules, and no one objected. Now, = it seems, anything goes. Lee   --part1_a4.2b004950.2a99ad37_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Keith, &nbsp;I agree = with you. &nbsp;Most of the churches where I have played went with the = bride's wishes. &nbsp;Only one had strict rules, and no one objected. = &nbsp;Now, it seems, anything goes. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a4.2b004950.2a99ad37_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: music in society/education/ was strange requests. From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:16:40 EDT   Dear Lee and Jon:   During the 50's and 60's when I was in school, we had classroom music, music appreciation (listening to classical music) and parocial and public schools had choral and band programs. I joined the choir. We toured singing polyphany and carols during the Christmas season, choral concerts in church. The band people had similar things to do. In many cases average students, because of these programs became top grade earners, on the honor rolls. The organ became a major interest of mine because of this. I walked up to the organist one day and said, You've got to show me how to play. I was very shy, but I threw caution to the wind, as I wanted it that bad. He finally got tired of my prodding and granted my wish. Well that was nearly 50 years ago, but it still seems like just yesterday. I loved every minute of it, challenges and all. He worked for a pipe organ factory in LA. Guess where I began to haunt and set up shop next. You guessed it, the organ factory. Everyday that we had a school holiday, I was there like a fly on the wall. It became another facit of my educating myself. It was a hard 10 mile ride by bike, but I was gonzo hooked. I wore out two bikes, and finally when I was 16 began borrowing the family car.   What do smart, bright kids have to look foreward to now? Mindless TV game machines, Gangsta Rap, and cult heros. Their minds have been taken over by agenda education.   I haven't forgotten you Lee. Grants or not, the school district I worked = for for over 25 years couldn't rid itself of all music fast enough. They made life very miserable for music teachers. No place for the band to practice except at odd times in the lunch shelter. They got rained on and = complained about by the mindless ninnies they hired for teachers. Choral teachers = were dispensed with and classroom teachers, if they wanted a choir had to do it on their own time. It was a blatant anti music agenda. The last band teacher retired the same year I did. I was his only supporter. Discipline went right out the window, and kids who couldn't read got bumper stickers for their parent's cars saying they were good kids, got flowers and their picture taken for the big bulletin in the cafeteria. Somehow it was ok to be a poor student, and report cards became a hopeless joke. That's agenda education!   I kid you not,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Re:BR Flentrop From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:28:02 -0700   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0320_01C24BB5.20727150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: TRACKELECT@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 7:27 AM Subject: Re:BR Flentrop         I heard the Flentrop at the OHS convention in Boston several years =3D ago, and=3D20 my impression is basically the same as yours. The organ has a more = =3D gentle=3D20 presence than one would expect from the Biggs recordings.     >The engineers at Columbia knew what they were doing. The Biggs =3D recordings probably had multiple microphones, near field - far >field, =3D and were mixed to get the kind of sound that Biggs and Kazdin (the =3D producer) wanted. Recordings can be deceptive in >that way. Even more =3D shenanigans can occur in the studio, editing, equalization, compression, = =3D artificial reverb, etc. Although I >think the Biggs recordings are free = =3D from most post production hocus pocus. However, it has been said that =3D multiple takes were >used and edited together to get complete cuts free = =3D from mistakes. I don't know if this is true. Fox made several direct to = =3D disc >recordings that allowed absolutely no post production =3D manipulation. One is often disappointed with the live sound of an organ = =3D >previously heard on a recording. Modern digital recordings usually use = =3D only 2 microphones set in an ideal spot. This was not >true in the good = =3D old days of analog LP's.   Alan B=3D20   I've spent a few hours listening to Biggs Columbias over the last few = =3D days -- not just Busch-Reisinger, but the dreadful St. George's NY as =3D well. The engineers at Columbia may have known what they were doing, but = =3D they delivered a flawed product. Us audiophiles sometimes get a bad name = =3D for being picky, but I think history has amply justified our =3D longstanding viewpoint on this one: the minimally-miked RCAs and =3D Mercurys of that period -- not to mention scores of privately made =3D recordings -- still sound as good as the best of contemporary recordings = =3D (allowance made for the tape hiss and minuscule pitch variations native = =3D to earlier technology). What the Busch-Reisinger Columbias, and maybe =3D most/all Columbias, don't get right, is the coherent sense of music =3D within a space. The percussive attack of the BR Flentrop -- no, I have =3D never heard it in the flesh, but if I am wrong on this I will =3D voluntarily renounce the sense of hearing hereafter -- is a function of = =3D the way Columbia recorded it. Close, as though Biggsy, or his microphone = =3D surrogate, were hearing the Rugpositief and Hoofdwerk stops at the same = =3D distance as the Borstwerk. Every sound the organ makes on those =3D recordings is real up-close and personal, and quite unreal for that =3D reason. And what is lost is the sense of the instrument as a whole: from = =3D any one perspective, those four divisions should be tempered by the =3D space around them, and they're not. It is not a realistic portrayal of =3D an organ in a coherent space. I didn't listen to all of the Biggs BR =3D records, but I can't imagine that at some point they repented of their =3D sins...   I am convinced -- you can even call it one of my hobby-horses -- that = =3D in the years thereafter, life came to imitate art (not an unknown =3D phenomenon), and these obviously unrealistic recordings were one of the = =3D engines that led to ever squeakier and chiffier and less musical =3D instruments. In that context, we could talk about St. George's NY: did =3D EPB really think that was a better vehicle for French music -- even his = =3D rather odd version of French music -- or Rheinberger than the Symphony =3D Hall organ he had earlier used?   Michael Fox     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0320_01C24BB5.20727150 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DTahoma size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DTRACKELECT@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:TRACKELECT@cs.com">TRACKELECT@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 21, =3D 2002 7:27=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:BR Flentrop</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">I heard the Flentrop at the OHS convention in Boston =3D several=3D20 years ago, and <BR>my impression is basically the same as =3D yours.&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 The organ has a more gentle <BR>presence than one would expect from = =3D the=3D20 Biggs recordings.</BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR><BR>&gt;The engineers at Columbia knew what they were doing. = =3D The=3D20 Biggs recordings probably had multiple microphones, near field - = far=3D20 &gt;field, and were mixed to get the kind of sound that Biggs and =3D Kazdin (the=3D20 producer) wanted.&nbsp; Recordings can be deceptive in &gt;that way. =3D Even more=3D20 shenanigans can occur in the studio, editing, equalization, =3D compression,=3D20 artificial reverb, etc. Although I &gt;think the Biggs recordings are = =3D free=3D20 from most post production hocus pocus. However, it has been said that = =3D multiple=3D20 takes were &gt;used and edited together to get complete cuts free from = =3D   mistakes. I don't know if this is true. Fox made several direct to =3D disc=3D20 &gt;recordings that allowed absolutely no post production =3D manipulation. One is=3D20 often disappointed with the live sound of an organ &gt;previously =3D heard on a=3D20 recording. Modern digital recordings usually use only 2 microphones =3D set in an=3D20 ideal spot. This was not &gt;true in the good old days of analog=3D20 LP's.<BR><BR>Alan B</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I've spent a few hours listening to Biggs =3D Columbias over the=3D20 last few days -- not just Busch-Reisinger, but the dreadful St. =3D George's NY as=3D20 well. The engineers at Columbia may have known what they were doing, =3D but they=3D20 delivered a flawed product. Us audiophiles sometimes get a bad name =3D for being=3D20 picky, but I think history has amply justified our longstanding =3D viewpoint on=3D20 this one: the minimally-miked RCAs and Mercurys of that period -- not = =3D to=3D20 mention scores of privately made recordings -- still sound as good as = =3D the best=3D20 of contemporary recordings (allowance made for the tape hiss and =3D minuscule=3D20 pitch variations native to earlier technology). What the =3D Busch-Reisinger=3D20 Columbias, and maybe most/all Columbias, don't get right, is the =3D coherent=3D20 sense of music within a space. The percussive attack of the BR =3D Flentrop -- no,=3D20 I have never heard it in the flesh, but if I am wrong on this I = will=3D20 voluntarily renounce the sense of hearing hereafter -- is a function =3D of the=3D20 way Columbia recorded it. Close, as though Biggsy, or his = microphone=3D20 surrogate, &nbsp;were hearing the&nbsp;Rugpositief and Hoofdwerk stops = =3D at the=3D20 same distance as the Borstwerk.&nbsp;Every sound the organ makes on =3D those=3D20 recordings is real up-close and personal, and quite unreal for that =3D reason.=3D20 And what is lost is the sense of the instrument as a whole: from any =3D one=3D20 perspective, those four divisions should be tempered by the space =3D around them,=3D20 and they're not. It is not a realistic portrayal of an organ in a =3D coherent=3D20 space. I didn't listen to all of the Biggs BR records, but I can't =3D imagine=3D20 that at some point they repented of their sins...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I&nbsp;am convinced -- you can even call it one of = =3D my=3D20 hobby-horses -- that in the years thereafter, life came to imitate art = =3D (not an=3D20 unknown phenomenon), and these obviously unrealistic recordings were =3D one of=3D20 the engines that led to ever squeakier and chiffier and less = musical=3D20 instruments. In that context, we could talk about St. George's NY: did = =3D EPB=3D20 really think that was a better vehicle for French music -- even his =3D rather odd=3D20 version of French music -- or Rheinberger than the Symphony Hall organ = =3D he had=3D20 earlier used?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Michael Fox</FONT></DIV> <DIV></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0320_01C24BB5.20727150--