PipeChat Digest #3091 - Monday, August 26, 2002
 
E.M.Skinner up for sale (x-posted)
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: Strange requests
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: E.M.Skinner up for sale (x-posted)
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: E.M.Skinner up for sale (x-posted)
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
RE: Strange requests
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Need copy of "St. Lawrence Sketches" (Alexander Russell)
  by <OrganNYC@aol.com>
Re: music in society/education/ was strange requests.
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: music in society/education/ was strange requests.
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: E.M.Skinner up for sale (x-posted) From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:56:23 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C24C58.57F67D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Greetings,   I just found out that First Church of Christ, Scientist in Syracuse is =3D up for sale. This edifice contains a three manual, 1927 E.M Skinner =3D instrument in beautiful condition. For more information on the organ =3D you may contact Ben Merchant at www.kernerandmerchant.com or by phone at = =3D 315-463-8023. Ben has maintained this instrument and will have all the =3D complete stoplist and history.=3D20   I played this gem for five years before moving on to a new position at =3D St. James Church and it was certainly a marvelous organ to perform =3D on....from the strings to the Clarinet and French Horn and even the =3D 32'.......a perfect combination of typical E.M. Skinner sound. =3D20   Cheers,   Bonnie Beth   Bonnie Beth Derby, B. Mus; M. Mus Organist and Director of Music, St. James Roman Catholic Church, =3D Syracuse, New York Producer and Announcer, "Orgelwerke" and "Choral Traditions", WCNY-FM, =3D Syracuse; WUNY-FM, Utica; WJNY-FM, Watertown and live-on-the-web at =3D www.wcny.org =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C24C58.57F67D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Greetings,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I just found out that&nbsp;First = Church =3D of Christ,=3D20 Scientist in Syracuse is up for sale.&nbsp; This edifice contains a =3D three=3D20 manual, 1927 E.M Skinner instrument in beautiful condition.&nbsp; For =3D more=3D20 information on the organ you may contact Ben Merchant at <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.kernerandmerchant.com">www.kernerandmerchant.com</A> = =3D or by=3D20 phone at 315-463-8023.&nbsp;Ben has maintained this instrument and will = =3D have all=3D20 the&nbsp;complete stoplist and history.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I played this gem for five years = before =3D moving on=3D20 to a new position at St. James Church and&nbsp;it was certainly a=3D20 marvelous&nbsp;organ to perform on....from the strings&nbsp;to the =3D Clarinet and=3D20 French Horn and&nbsp;even the 32'.......a&nbsp;perfect combination=3D20 of&nbsp;typical E.M. Skinner sound.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Bonnie Beth</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Bonnie Beth Derby, B. Mus; M. =3D Mus</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Organist and Director of Music, St. = =3D James Roman=3D20 Catholic Church, Syracuse, New York</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Producer and Announcer, "Orgelwerke" = =3D and "Choral=3D20 Traditions", WCNY-FM, Syracuse; WUNY-FM, Utica; WJNY-FM, Watertown = and=3D20 live-on-the-web at <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.wcny.org">www.wcny.org</A>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></D= =3D IV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C24C58.57F67D80--    
(back) Subject: Re: Strange requests From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:46:45 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3113149605_950391 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 8/25/02 8:46 AM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> wrote:   > I must be in a rare locale because I really don't get much of this = within=3D the > 4 churches I've served. Granted the first three were LCMS and this one = n=3D ow is > ELCA....could it be that the Lutherans are just tougher on policy? I do = =3D not > doubt that isn't the case. >=3D20 > **Double negative? So you DO doubt that that IS the case? But you = don=3DB9t > define your =3DB3locale=3DB2--do I recall Iowa in your case? I DO think = that > Lutherans ARE tougher on policy. And I=3DB9m sickened by the exceptions = to t=3D hat > generality. >=3D20 > =3D20 > I know we just had this discussion, but I still say that it's up to the = c=3D hurch > to set the limits, and I feel that we as the organists should enforce = the > policy. (Anything beyond policy has to be approved by the minister.) = Th=3D at's > usually what I tell my couples and in the 20 years I've been playing for > weddings have never encountered any resistance to that. Just lucky? > Maybe...I don't know. > =3D20 > I just played a wedding where the soloist sang a (5 minute!!) song = during=3D the > lighting of the unity candle, and it was nice, but I found out later was > secular. She sang it to a CD, although I do know that the pastor does = NO=3D T > like recorded tracks. (Hear all the listers who hate tracks cheer!) = But=3D , he > allows it for weddings as long as its tasteful, but I will never use one = =3D for > choir now! >=3D20 > **See? =3DB3he allows it=3DB2 for weddings. Next he=3DB9ll allow it on = Christmas Ev=3D e. I > think YOUR standards sound better than his. But YOU =3DB3found out = later=3DB2 . =3D .. . > who=3DB9s running this ship? >=3D20 > =3D20 > As to funerals, well, I just haven't done enough of them since I work = ful=3D l > time outside the church, but again, they've always been with organ music = =3D only, > and always of my choosing. Maybe the Lutherans in this area are just = mor=3D e > traditional, I really don't know....that's a curiosity! >=3D20 > **I think you=3DB9re probably right, if my Iowa memory is right. But = even th=3D ere, > things are slipping. Even in your parish. >=3D20 > =3D20 > At any rate, my particular take is that both of these are worship = service=3D s and > should be with the same dignity and reverence as any other worship = servic=3D e > held in the House of God. I've never had any objection to that. :-) > =3D20 AMEN, Jeff. You are saying it JUST RIGHT. Help beef up your pastor. You could be a great team.   Alan       --B_3113149605_950391 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Strange requests</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 8/25/02 8:46 AM, &quot;Jeff = White&quot; &lt=3D ;reedstop@prodigy.net&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">I must be in a rare locale = because I =3D really don't get much of this within the 4 churches I've served. = &nbsp;Grant=3D ed the first three were LCMS and this one now is ELCA....could it be that = th=3D e Lutherans are just tougher on policy? &nbsp;I do not doubt that isn't = the =3D case. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> **Double negative? &nbsp;So you DO doubt that that IS the case? &nbsp;But = y=3D ou don&#8217;t define your &#8220;locale&#8221;--do I recall Iowa in your = ca=3D se? &nbsp;I DO think that Lutherans ARE tougher on policy. &nbsp;And = I&#8217=3D ;m sickened by the exceptions to that generality.<BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> &nbsp;<BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">I know we just had this discussion, but I = still s=3D ay that it's up to the church to set the limits, and I feel that we as the = o=3D rganists should enforce the policy. &nbsp;(Anything beyond policy has to = be =3D approved by the minister.) &nbsp;That's usually what I tell my couples and = i=3D n the 20 years I've been playing for weddings have never encountered any = res=3D istance to that. &nbsp;Just lucky? &nbsp;Maybe...I don't know.<BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"> <BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">I just played a wedding where the soloist = sang a =3D (5 minute!!) song during the lighting of the unity candle, and it was = nice, =3D but I found out later was secular. &nbsp;She sang it to a CD, although I = do =3D know that the pastor does NOT like recorded tracks. &nbsp;(Hear all the = list=3D ers who hate tracks cheer!) &nbsp;But, he allows it for weddings as long = as =3D its tasteful, but I will never use one for choir now!<BR> <BR> **See? &nbsp;&#8220;he allows it&#8221; for weddings. &nbsp;Next = he&#8217;l=3D l allow it on Christmas Eve. &nbsp;I think YOUR standards sound better = than =3D his. &nbsp;But YOU &#8220;found out later&#8221; . . . who&#8217;s running = t=3D his ship? &nbsp;<BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> &nbsp;<BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">As to funerals, well, I just haven't done = enough =3D of them since I work full time outside the church, but again, they've = always=3D been with organ music only, and always of my choosing. &nbsp;Maybe the = Luth=3D erans in this area are just more traditional, I really don't = know....that's =3D a curiosity!<BR> <BR> **I think you&#8217;re probably right, if my Iowa memory is right. = &nbsp;Bu=3D t even there, things are slipping. &nbsp;Even in your parish.<BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> &nbsp;<BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">At any rate, my particular take is that both = of t=3D hese are worship services and should be with the same dignity and = reverence =3D as any other worship service held in the House of God. &nbsp;I've never = had =3D any objection to that. &nbsp;:-)<BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">AMEN, Jeff. &nbsp;You are = saying it =3D JUST RIGHT. &nbsp;Help beef up your pastor. &nbsp;You could be a great = team.=3D <BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3113149605_950391--    
(back) Subject: Re: E.M.Skinner up for sale (x-posted) From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 20:36:32 -0500     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C24C77.19BAFFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Speaking of available Skinners, check out the 4man Skinner for sale on = th=3D e www.organclearinghouse.com site. Organ will be destroyed with the = chur=3D ch if no one takes it soon.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Bonnie Beth Derby Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 4:03 PM To: PipeChat; PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu Subject: E.M.Skinner up for sale (x-posted)   Greetings,   I just found out that First Church of Christ, Scientist in Syracuse is = up=3D for sale. =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C24C77.19BAFFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY BGCOLOR=3D3D"#ffffff" STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; = border:none;b=3D ackground-color:#ffffff; "><DIV>Speaking of available Skinners, check = out=3D the 4man Skinner for sale on the <A = href=3D3D"http://www.organclearinghous=3D e.com">www.organclearinghouse.com</A> site.&nbsp; Organ will be = destroyed=3D with the church if no one takes it soon.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> = <BLOCKQ=3D UOTE style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BO=3D RDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: = 10p=3D t Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: = #e4=3D e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> Bonnie Beth = Derby</DIV=3D > <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 25, 2002 = 4:=3D 03 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> PipeChat; = PIPORG-L=3D @listserv.albany.edu</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt = Arial"><B>Subject:</B=3D > E.M.Skinner up for sale (x-posted)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <META = conten=3D t=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> = <DIV><FONT=3D face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Greetings,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT = face=3D3DArial si=3D ze=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I just = found =3D out that&nbsp;First Church of Christ, Scientist in Syracuse is up for = sal=3D e.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C24C77.19BAFFE0--  
(back) Subject: Re: E.M.Skinner up for sale (x-posted) From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:00:39 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003F_01C24C82.D9147050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Oh gosh....a Skinner for $10,000!! if only I could win the lottery! =3D :-)   BB Derby ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Ray Ahrens=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: Re: E.M.Skinner up for sale (x-posted)     Speaking of available Skinners, check out the 4man Skinner for sale on = =3D the www.organclearinghouse.com site. Organ will be destroyed with the =3D church if no one takes it soon.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Bonnie Beth Derby Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 4:03 PM To: PipeChat; PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu Subject: E.M.Skinner up for sale (x-posted)   Greetings,   I just found out that First Church of Christ, Scientist in Syracuse = =3D is up for sale.=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003F_01C24C82.D9147050 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; FONT: 10pt = =3D verdana; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; =3D BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=3D20 bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>Oh gosh....a Skinner for $10,000!!&nbsp; if only = =3D I could=3D20 win the lottery!&nbsp; :-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial>BB Derby</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DRay_Ahrens@msn.com href=3D3D"mailto:Ray_Ahrens@msn.com">Ray = =3D Ahrens</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 25, 2002 = =3D 9:36=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: E.M.Skinner up for = =3D sale=3D20 (x-posted)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Speaking of available Skinners, check out the 4man Skinner for =3D sale on=3D20 the <A =3D href=3D3D"http://www.organclearinghouse.com">www.organclearinghouse.com</A>= =3D =3D20 site.&nbsp; Organ will be destroyed with the church if no one takes it = =3D   soon.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 Bonnie Beth Derby</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 25, 2002 = =3D 4:03=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> PipeChat; <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu">PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu= =3D </A></DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> E.M.Skinner up for = =3D sale=3D20 (x-posted)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>   <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Greetings,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I just found out that&nbsp;First = =3D Church of=3D20 Christ, Scientist in Syracuse is up for=3D20 sale.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003F_01C24C82.D9147050--    
(back) Subject: RE: Strange requests From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:17:00 -0500   Alan replied:   **Double negative? So you DO doubt that that IS the case? But you don=92= t define your =93locale=94--do I recall Iowa in your case? I DO think that Lutherans ARE tougher on policy. And I=92m sickened by the exceptions to= that generality.   I'm in MO. I wondered if someone would pick up that double negative. No= , I doubt that it was the case. I should never write emails right after gett= ing out of bed!     **See? =93he allows it=94 for weddings. Next he=92ll allow it on Christ= mas Eve. I think YOUR standards sound better than his. But YOU =93found out later= =94 . . .. who=92s running this ship?   No, his standards are higher than mine.     **AMEN, Jeff. You are saying it JUST RIGHT. Help beef up your pastor. = You could be a great team.   We are, Alan...trust me. :-)   Jeff    
(back) Subject: Need copy of "St. Lawrence Sketches" (Alexander Russell) From: <OrganNYC@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:33:33 EDT     --part1_186.d13d1e7.2a9b099d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   A former teacher is searching for a copy of the above piece. Actually, = she has all of the movements EXCEPT the first, which is titled, "Citadel of Quebec." The Library of Congress has the score, but they tell her it will = be about 8 weeks before they copy and mail it. It is long out of print. = She'd like to start learning it soon.   If any of you have this score, please contact me privately, and we'll make =   arrangements.   Does anyone know much about Alexander Russell?   Thanks,   Steve Lawson - NYC   --part1_186.d13d1e7.2a9b099d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>A former teacher is = searching for a copy of the above piece. &nbsp;Actually, she has all of = the movements EXCEPT the first, which is titled, "Citadel of Quebec." = &nbsp;The Library of Congress has the score, but they tell her it will be = about 8 weeks before they copy and mail it. &nbsp;It is long out of print. = &nbsp;She'd like to start learning it soon. <BR> <BR>If any of you have this score, please contact me privately, and we'll = make arrangements. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Does anyone know much about Alexander Russell? <BR> <BR>Thanks, <BR> <BR>Steve Lawson - NYC </FONT></HTML>   --part1_186.d13d1e7.2a9b099d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: music in society/education/ was strange requests. From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:50:20 EDT     --part1_190.c23fd0f.2a9b0d8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Ron,   I know what you are talking about. I, too, went to school in the (40s), 50's and 60's. We had a concert band that did symphonic music and toured. = We also had a music theory class in High School. In Grade School, we had music class every day, and the teacher had us singing in 3 parts. In Jr. High, I started band in the 7th grade, marching and concert, and there was = a choir that met the same time. Our High School choir was one of the best = in Ok. and had an honors a capella choir. Music was as important as sports then.   My first experience with the organ was at the age of 4 when I heard the = pipe organ for the first time. I begged every organist we had to give me = lessons, and they all said I would have to wait until my legs were longer, but let = me play my piano lessons on the manuals. At 12 I finally began organ = lessons, and at 16 was enrolled in the OCU preparatory music school and gave a few concerts. These opportunities are no longer available to high school students, and there are few organ majors in the Universities here.   This year at our schools, the choral teacher has to share the music room = with the English and French teachers -- all teaching at the same time on the stage. There is a choir at the 5th grade center, but no music, except by = the home room teachers, in the lower grades. My attempts to write a grant for = a violin program here has fallen on deaf ears. No one wants it. One of the =   smaller towns did have someone write a grant for a choral program 5 years ago, and the program is still going. But when there are cuts the "frills" = as OK calls music, are the first to go. I have been re-reading "The Mozart Effect" by Don Campbell again. He really brings up a lot of good points about the power of music, healing the body, strengthening the mind and unlocking the creative spirit in people. I worked with people with disabilities for many years, using music with them, reaching some of them when nothing else worked. Once they had a success in music, they could go = on and have successess in other areas. I have a good friend on the School = Board with whom I am going to share this book. I have also talked to our = district Representative about the situation in the schools and the need for music. = I will go before the legislature if I have to before I am finished. As I am =   retired now from full time work, I have time to advocate -- for music in = the schools, better services for the residents of nursing homes (I am a = certified Ombudsman for the state), and better medical care for the elderly (as I = find I am now one). When I play the piano or have sing-alongs in the nursing homes, it is accepted with great appreciation and anticipation for the = next time I am there. Music opens so many doors to the mind. One lady is a retired music teacher, but has Alzheimers. However, she remembers the old =   songs, and for those minutes we are singing, she feels "normal." She is = also able to communicate with others for longer periods of time after the music =   sessions in her lucid mind. I will stop. I could go on. Lee   --part1_190.c23fd0f.2a9b0d8c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ron, <BR> <BR>I know what you are talking about. &nbsp;I, too, went to school in the = &nbsp;(40s), 50's and 60's. &nbsp;We had a concert band that did symphonic = music and toured. &nbsp;We also had a music theory class in High School. = &nbsp;In Grade School, we had music class every day, and the teacher had = us singing in 3 parts. &nbsp;In Jr. High, I started band in the 7th grade, = marching and concert, and there was a choir that met the same time. = &nbsp;Our High School choir was one of the best in Ok. and had an honors a = capella choir. &nbsp;Music was as important as sports then. <BR> <BR>My first experience with the organ was at the age of 4 when I heard the pipe organ for the first time. &nbsp;I begged = every organist we had to give me lessons, and they all said I would have = to wait until my legs were longer, but let me play my piano lessons on the = manuals. &nbsp;At 12 I finally began organ lessons, and at 16 was enrolled = in the OCU preparatory music school and gave a few concerts. &nbsp;These = opportunities are no longer available to high school students, and there = are few organ majors in the Universities here. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>This year at our schools, the choral teacher has to share the music = room with the English and French teachers -- all teaching at the same time = on the stage. &nbsp;There is a choir at the 5th grade center, but no = music, except by the home room teachers, in the lower grades. &nbsp;My = attempts to write a grant for a violin program here has fallen on deaf = ears. &nbsp;No one wants it. &nbsp;One of the smaller towns did have = someone write a grant for a choral program 5 years ago, and the program is = still going. &nbsp;But when there are cuts the "frills" as OK calls music, = are the first to go. &nbsp;I have been re-reading "The Mozart Effect" by = Don Campbell again. &nbsp;He really brings up a lot of good points about = the power of music, healing the body, strengthening the mind and unlocking = the creative spirit in people. &nbsp;I worked with people with = disabilities for many years, using music with them, reaching some of them = when nothing else worked. &nbsp;Once they had a success in music,   --part1_190.c23fd0f.2a9b0d8c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: music in society/education/ was strange requests. From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:02:44 EDT   Dear Lee:   Our sad story about music in the schools and the lack of it, really can be seen in the story, The Lion, The witch, and the Wardrobe. We have allowed states to usurp local control of our schools, withhold funding, and foist the will of a few on the many. In the story, evil turned the earth into a winter wasteland (The Witch) and only the Lion could turn on the Sunshine and return the earth back to the living. State educational systems must be returned to local school board control. States must give up control and return it to the local communities. They have been effective only in destroying learning, and subsituting their own political agendas. NEA has been instrumental in this type of socialist destruction. It's time to take our schools back from these evil intentioned people. They have done significant violence to our children and learning opportunities. Local schools. local taxes, and turn the states out. When we went to school, funds, and control were always local, and educational facilities produced excellent results. We need to fight to return our schools to learning facilities and away from agenda cesspools.   Ron Severin