PipeChat Digest #3269 - Sunday, December 1, 2002
 
www.felix-hell.com
  by "Hans-Friedrich Hell" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
Re: Clavinova disrupts Messiah rehearsal
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: My little organ
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: My little organ
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Clavinova disrupts Messiah rehearsal
  by "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
Re: Clavinova disrupts Messiah rehearsal
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: My little organ
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Clavinova disrupts Messiah rehearsal
  by "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3267 - 11/30/02
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3268 - 12/01/02
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: My little organ
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Passion, Dedication, and Faith
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: My little organ
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3268 - 12/01/02
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Expressing ourselves tactfully.
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
 

(back) Subject: www.felix-hell.com From: "Hans-Friedrich Hell" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: 01 Dec 2002 11:03 GMT   Dear listmembers,   for those who are interested, the recital schedule 2003 and the list of pre= vious appearances in the USA on Felix's website has just been updated.   Best wishes   Hans-Friedrich Hell    
(back) Subject: Re: Clavinova disrupts Messiah rehearsal From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:14:05 EST   Was there no organ available? I thought continuo for church use in the = 18th century was violoncello and organ, not harpsichord.  
(back) Subject: Re: My little organ From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:24:13 EST   Have you considered replacing the schwimmerbalgen with real reservoirs? = That might help.  
(back) Subject: Re: My little organ From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 11:42:38 -0500   Hi Seb and others, I wonder if we might hear a bit about Schwimmers vs. Reservoirs, and = why Schwimmers were created in the first place. Is it a space issue? Are = Sshwimmers inherently less reliable or adjustable for maintaining stable pressures? = They must be more difficult to work on due to their need to be maintained "in = place" on the chest. I wonder if Schwimmers create turbulence problems due to the = fact the wind must enter the chest before reaching the Scwimmer to be = regulated? Any information you might be willing to share on this topic would be most appreciated.   Mike     TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > Have you considered replacing the schwimmerbalgen with real reservoirs? = That > might help. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Clavinova disrupts Messiah rehearsal From: "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:46:24 -0800 (PST)   Several years ago I attended a community Messiah performance with a good choir and rather impressive orchestra, but I could not understand the sound of the keyboard. It appeared to be a short studio piano, but it sounded like a clavichord.   I mentioned it almost sounded like a piano with thumbtacks in the hammers.   Well, afterwards, I went down to the orchestra pit to see what kind of instrument it was, and guess what ... It was indeed what I jokingly described it to be ... a small studio piano with thumbtacks in the hammers!   Paul   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Clavinova disrupts Messiah rehearsal From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:09:31 +0000 (GMT)   --0-1489202506-1038762571=3D:20180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit     Hello, Hee Hee! Nice one Sebastian. But I bet T.M. doesn't know that Bononcini (sp?) lived above a Brothel in = London. Regards, Colin Mitchell UK         --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits = your needs   --0-1489202506-1038762571=3D:20180 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit   <P>Hello, <P>Hee Hee!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Nice one Sebastian. <P>But I bet T.M. doesn't know that Bononcini (sp?) lived above a Brothel = in London. <P>Regards, <P>&nbsp; <P>Colin Mitchell UK <P>&nbsp; <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= </P><p><p><br><hr size=3D1><a = href=3D"http://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_xtra/?http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mai= l_storage.html"><b><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">With Yahoo! Mail you = can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your = needs</font></b></a><br> --0-1489202506-1038762571=3D:20180--  
(back) Subject: Re: My little organ From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:16:31 +0000 (GMT)   --0-1431634226-1038762991=3D:78465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit     Hello again, I had thought of the idea, but there simply isn't room. The organ is free = standing and the case is only about 3ft deep, with action filling up the = area behind the console, from the floor to the bottom of the Positive = chest in fact. Apparently, in those early days of Schwimmers in the UK, there were design = faults which caused the flutter problem. (1974) I think we need a new Schwimmer! Regards, Colin Mitchell UK TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:Have you considered replacing the schwimmerbalgen = with real reservoirs? That might help.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org         --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits = your needs   --0-1431634226-1038762991=3D:78465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit   <P>Hello again, <P>I had thought of the idea, but there simply isn't room. The organ is = free standing and the case is only about 3ft deep, with action filling up = the area behind the console, from the floor to the bottom of the Positive = chest in fact. <P>Apparently, in those early days of Schwimmers in the UK, there were = design faults which caused the flutter problem. (1974) <P>I think we need a new Schwimmer! <P>Regards, <P>Colin Mitchell UK <P>&nbsp; <P>&nbsp;<B><I>TubaMagna@aol.com</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Have you considered replacing the schwimmerbalgen with = real reservoirs? That <BR>might help.<BR><BR>"Pipe Up and Be = Heard!"<BR>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; = related topics<BR>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org<BR>List: = mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR>Administration: = mailto:admin@pipechat.org<BR>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: = mailto:requests@pipechat.org<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p><p><br><hr size=3D1><a = href=3D"http://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_xtra/?http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mai= l_storage.html"><b><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">With Yahoo! Mail you = can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your = needs</font></b></a><br> --0-1431634226-1038762991=3D:78465--  
(back) Subject: Re: Clavinova disrupts Messiah rehearsal From: "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:24:42 -0800 (PST)   Thanx, Ron ... for years I have wondered about how they accomplished that, and what instrument it was ... The power of true wind-blown "authentic" sound impressed me as a kid, and I often wonder how we can impress others today.   I'm sure glad I had that opportunity to hear the sound.   Unfortunately, most of us do not have an 18-wheeler to carry an authentic instrument around, or an acoustic environmental space to put it when we arrive.   One thing that is so great about this list, especially for those lurkers like me, is that it increases awareness of true pipe sounds, and draws people together around the common interest.   I hope to install a thestre instrument one of these days. Thanx again for your information.   Paul   =3D=3D=3D Ron Wrote: =3D=3D=3D Dear Paul:   I remember another concert Roger Wagner conducted using a Wicks 7 rank custom organ. Owen Brady played that night. The organ had it's own 18 wheeler. That was between 1962 and 1965 or so. When not in use the organ was stored in the old Morris Premann building. IIRC the console was black with drawknobs. Everything was wired to quick disconnects. It was capable of set up and tuning in around two hours.   Ron Severin   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3267 - 11/30/02 From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:27:47 EST     --part1_4a.152ce74a.2b1ba093_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 11/30/2002 11:44:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:     > Praise God from Who All Blessings Flow, but this is a job that requires > giving many lonely hours at the bench and a deep personal commitment to > excellence. We are ministers too-but this is the part of the job that > comes naturally from > practicing and performing our very best weekly.... without doing extra = work > > or eating shit. > gfc   Guys, Can we pleeeeeeeeeeeeease clean this up a bit. We're an educated bunch, = so can we please find a way to express disappointment, anger, disgust, etc. without stooping to sh-------, f----------, d----------, g---d--------, = etc? If we can't express ourselves any better, then we have no right sitting on = an organ bench playing for a "worship" service - regardless of our technical ability. Keith.   --part1_4a.152ce74a.2b1ba093_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 11/30/2002 11:44:38 PM = Eastern Standard Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Praise God from = Who All Blessings Flow, but this is a job that requires giving many lonely = hours at the bench and a deep personal commitment to excellence.&nbsp; We = are ministers too-but this is the part of the job that comes naturally = from <BR> practicing and performing our very best weekly.... without doing extra = work <BR> or eating shit.<BR> gfc&nbsp; </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> Guys,<BR> Can we pleeeeeeeeeeeeease clean this up a bit.&nbsp; We're an educated = bunch, so can we please find a way to express disappointment, anger, = disgust, etc. without stooping to sh-------, f----------, d----------, = g---d--------, etc?&nbsp; If we can't express ourselves any better, then = we have no right sitting on an organ bench playing for a "worship" service = - regardless of our technical ability.<BR> Keith.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_4a.152ce74a.2b1ba093_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3268 - 12/01/02 From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:15:22 EST     --part1_185.12c2802f.2b1babba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/1/2002 5:03:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:     > If organists are considered as a minister to the people of the = congregation > should they be renumerated in the same measure as the pastors that use   I hate to say it, but this is bordering on the rediculous!!!!! Me, Me, = Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, ad infinitim. That's what I keep hearing. = It's nauseating on one hand, and saddening on the other. I'm not trying = to be "holier than thou" because I share many of the frustrations, I just try = to not let them totally ruin me.   Mark Koontz has expressed much of what I'd like to say. Many people's priorities are way out of proportion.   I love pipe organ music. I love organ music in worship. I like "some" of =   the contemporary Christian music. I like "some" of the contemporary Christian sounds. I do not see in Scripture anywhere where God sanctified =   the pipe organ and made it the only means with which to "enter into His = gates with thanksgiving..." If you can't worship without a pipe organ playing, then you're probably not worshiping at all, you're just getting caught up = in the music the same way that many (not all) simply get caught up in the contemporary. Music is an extremely powerful force in the temporal = shaping of people's attitudes and emotions - whether it be a rock group, a praise band, a pipe organ, a piano, whatever.   Gee, I guess all the tribes in Africa, S. America, and many other cultures =   have no idea how to really worship God, because they don't have pipe = organs being played by highly trained organists who practice hours each day. = Worse yet, they probably have their own poorly tuned instruments made of gourds, =   gut strings, bamboo, bones, etc.   I will hand it to one of the leaders in the contemporary Christian music scene. While I don't like much of his music, I think it was Matt Redmon = who realized that his church was getting so caught up in the music that the people were actually worshiping the music. I admire that attitude because =   much of the music they were worshiping was his music. He decided to cease =   all music at that church for a while, so people could get their priorities =   back into the right perspective. They had to learn how to worship God "in =   spirit and in truth" without all the superficial excitement that music can =   incite - whether it be a "fine" praise band, a "fine" orchestra, or a = "fine" pipe organ.   Music - regardless of its taste - is a supportive element in worship, but = IT IS NOT THE ESSENCE OF WORSHIP. I hope that there are at least a few on = this list who understand what I'm saying.   Thanks for putting up with this, Keith   --part1_185.12c2802f.2b1babba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 12/1/2002 5:03:25 AM Eastern = Standard Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If organists are = considered as a minister to the people of the congregation <BR> should they be renumerated in the same measure as the pastors that use = </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> I hate to say it, but this is bordering on the rediculous!!!!!&nbsp; Me, = Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, ad infinitim.&nbsp; That's what I = keep hearing.&nbsp; It's nauseating on one hand, and saddening on the = other.&nbsp; I'm not trying to be "holier than thou" because I share many = of the frustrations, I just try to not let them totally ruin me.<BR> <BR> Mark Koontz has expressed much of what I'd like to say.&nbsp; Many = people's priorities are way out of proportion. <BR> <BR> I love pipe organ music.&nbsp; I love organ music in worship.&nbsp; I like = "some" of the contemporary Christian music.&nbsp; I like "some" of the contemporary Christian sounds.&nbsp; I do not = see in Scripture anywhere where God sanctified the pipe organ and made it = the only means with which to "enter into His gates with = thanksgiving..."&nbsp; If you can't worship without a pipe organ playing, = then you're probably not worshiping at all, you're just getting caught up = in the music the same way that many (not all) simply get caught up in the = contemporary.&nbsp; Music is an extremely powerful force in the temporal = shaping of people's attitudes and emotions - whether it be a rock group, a = praise band, a pipe organ, a piano, whatever.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Gee, I guess all the tribes in Africa, S. America, and many other cultures = have no idea how to really worship God, because they don't have pipe = organs being played by highly trained organists who practice hours each = day.&nbsp; Worse yet, they probably have their own poorly tuned = instruments made of gourds, gut strings, bamboo, bones, etc.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> I will hand it to one of the leaders in the contemporary Christian music = scene.&nbsp; While I don't like much of his music, I think it was Matt = Redmon who realized that his church was getting so caught up in the music = that the people were actually worshiping the music.&nbsp; I admire that = attitude because much of the music they were worshiping was his = music.&nbsp; He decided to cease all music at that church for a while, so = people could get their priorities back into the right perspective.&nbsp; = They had to learn how to worship God "in spirit and in truth" without all = the superficial excitement that music can incite - whether it be a "fine" = praise band, a "fine" orchestra, or a "fine" pipe organ.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Music - regardless of its taste - is a supportive element in worship, but = IT IS NOT THE ESSENCE OF WORSHIP.&nbsp; I hope that there are at least a = few on this list who understand what I'm saying. <BR> <BR> Thanks for putting up with this,<BR> Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_185.12c2802f.2b1babba_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: My little organ From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:39:10 EST     --part1_ad.27132b0a.2b1bb14e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/1/2002 12:17:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes:     > Apparently, in those early days of Schwimmers in the UK, there were = design > faults which caused the flutter problem. (1974) I think we need a new > Schwimmer! >   It isn't just on the organs built in the UK. I service a Walcker (of = Germany) which has had periodic problems with a flutter in the great and pedal divisions. Aside from a problem with the gate linkage (loosened screws) = and a not-so-wonderfful linkage design, the schwimmer panels were borderline on being too thin and they would flex a bit. I installed stiffeners on the panels and that solved the problem for the most part...after I adjusted = the linkages and tightened the loose screws that held part of the linkage to = the schwimmer plates.   Rick in VA   --part1_ad.27132b0a.2b1bb14e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/1/2002 12:17:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Apparently, in = those early days of Schwimmers in the UK, there were design faults which = caused the flutter problem. (1974) I think we need a new Schwimmer! <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>It isn't just on the organs built in the UK. I service a Walcker (of = Germany) which has had periodic problems with a flutter in the great and = pedal divisions. Aside from a problem with the gate linkage (loosened = screws) and a not-so-wonderfful linkage design, the schwimmer panels were = borderline on being too thin and they would flex a bit. I installed = stiffeners on the panels and that solved the problem for the most = part...after I adjusted the linkages and tightened the loose screws that = held part of the linkage to the schwimmer plates. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ad.27132b0a.2b1bb14e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Passion, Dedication, and Faith From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:45:53 EST   Dear Pipe Chatters: A general rule of success is that you will be successful if you are = doing what you really want to do with your life. This might not immediately = express itself financially, but it certainly will on the emotional plane. And yes, =   you will run into some inherently evil, horrible people (who will also go = out of their way to proclaim how nice they are), who will do shocking things = to you with absolutely no remorse or hint of conscience, BUT -- the joy of = doing what you feel you were MEANT to do will, in time, carry you over such = hurdles. I cannot help but weep when I hear great Christian liturgical music, = or stand before a spectacular painting of Christian imagery, so perfectly conceived or passionately painted as to make me question whether or not I have even a cell of creativity in my soul. In the decades since my Bar Mitzvah, I have been profoundly moved by the dignity and gripping passion = of services of ALL faiths, and work with equal vigor (when permitted by those = in control) for each and every client. Does my Judaism detract from my will = and determination to do my job, either as an organist or organbuilder? Does it =   really mean that I cannot, and do not, respect other people's spiritual = ways? I had a physician whose late middle-aged receptionist attended Mass = three times a day, gobbling lunch at her desk so that her lunch hour could be devoted to church services and the daily trip to the bank. When it was found that in her years of service she had embezzled $500,000.00 from the office, including Medicare payments, insurance = checks, cash brought in by uninsured patients, etc., she went to prison, probably = to spend her remaining days there. Combining her 12:05 trip to church with = her 12:30 meeting with the bank manager (also imprisoned) on a daily basis did =   not seem to bother her. She was certainly religious, but obviously not spiritual or righteous. If being an organist were "just a job," we'd do something else. There =   are much easier jobs out there, with greater remuneration, greater appre ciation, and greater predictability. Likewise, if one particular Christian =   denomination will not hire somebody of a different branch of Christianity because they aren't "Christian enough," they have passed judgment that is most likely not theirs to pass. Many an organist HAS walked away from the instrument, due to frustration, bitterness, anger, the actions of clergy, = or the actions and words of their own fellow organists. Educate the clergy, gently. Educate your friends. Educate strangers at every turn. Do it with a smile, with humor, with joy, and without anger or profanity, two things which rarely provide encouragement to the neophyte. Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: My little organ From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 12:51:36 -0600   Try pantograph type springs, if you don't already have them. The progressive tension can be adjusted to actually increase slightly as the bellows collapses. This can solve many problems and actually simulate the action of a good wedge bellows. They are available from Organ Supply Industries, or Laukhuff. Roy Redman   Colin Mitchell wrote:   > Hello again, > > I had thought of the idea, but there simply isn't room. The organ is > free standing and the case is only about 3ft deep, with action filling > up the area behind the console, from the floor to the bottom of the > Positive chest in fact. > > Apparently, in those early days of Schwimmers in the UK, there were > design faults which caused the flutter problem. (1974) > > I think we need a new Schwimmer! > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > > > TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > Have you considered replacing the schwimmerbalgen with real > reservoirs? That > might help. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that > fits your needs    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3268 - 12/01/02 From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:31:37 +1300   Thank you for your posting, Keith. Commonsense and time it was said.   I'm a music fan, but services at time without music can be very helpful.   A personal note on this: for almost three years after my son and his = fiancee were tragically killed, I couldn't listen to music: it annoyed me = intensely. I'd put the stereo on and then slam it off 15 seconds later. I'd go to church (being a Vicar, I had to go a number of times per week!!) and then get annoyed with intrusiveness of all the music, of whatever kind. I'm = only now beginning to really enjoy it again. I'm sure all of us have situations for a time, or even just one week, where even the St Laurens Alkmaar organ would be a pain to us.   Too, in my country where parishes are small, organs generally likewise, = and where only the cathedrals have the resources for music and organ, and usually then the Director of Music is not paid enough to live on, the mere thought of the Director of Music getting paid as much as the Vicar is laughable.   Practising hard on the organ all week, someone said. Lucky him. To be paid as well? Wow.   Financially, where I live, any suggestion of paying the music folk is a joke, there just isn't the money. In the parishes I've been Vicar of, the musicians have refused any compensation whatever, saying they spend no = more hours working for the parish than the Treasurer, the Florists and = Gardeners, the Sunday School and Youth Group leaders, the Churchwardens, etc. and saw no reason for the music bod to be paid when these other invaluable people were not.   David Moxon, Bishop of Waikato, led our Wellington diocesan clergy school one year. Instead of the usual pounding piano and guitars at these things, he turned his back during the "thinking bit" of the studies he led, and quietly played slow movements from unaccompanied Bach flute sonatas. It = was magical. I've had the same occasionally in parishes where I've been Vicar: silence, or just one instrument like a recorder.   On Iona, there is no organ in the abbey church. A fine grand piano is = played to lead the singing, or a flute maybe. When I was there, I even heard unaccompanied fiddle playing a sparkling strathspey as a "closing voluntary." Every note crystal clear and played superbly, it was exciting, joyful, all I could have hoped for.   We need to be real, not too obsessed with ourselves.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Expressing ourselves tactfully. From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 12:56:33 -0600   Keith Zimmerman wrote:   > Guys,   > Can we pleeeeeeeeeeeeease clean this up a bit. We're an educated bunch, = so can we please find a way to express > disappointment, anger, disgust, etc. without stooping to sh-------, = f----------, d----------, g---d--------, etc? If we can't express = ourselves > any better, then we have no right sitting on an organ bench playing for = a "worship" service - regardless of our technical ability.   PREACH IT!!!!   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL