PipeChat Digest #3271 - Sunday, December 1, 2002
 
Re: Expressing ourselves untactfully
  by "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net>
ADVENT I - ST. LOUIS CHURCH, AUSTIN, TX (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Harpsichord terminology
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Harpsichord terminology
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Expressing ourselves untactfully
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Schwimmers as winding additia
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
wicks 7rk....was Clavinova eruption...
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Fluttering Pittmans Solved!!!!!
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Breeding tells all?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Fluttering Pittmans Solved!!!!!
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: Breeding tells all?
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Harpsichord terminology (LITTLE Organ content)
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Expressing ourselves untactfully From: "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:37:42 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0037_01C29960.59BA58D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hello all from a lurker, Breeding tells all. BAF II   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0037_01C29960.59BA58D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hello all from a lurker,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Breeding tells all.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>BAF II</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0037_01C29960.59BA58D0--      
(back) Subject: ADVENT I - ST. LOUIS CHURCH, AUSTIN, TX (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:51:09 EST     --part1_27.329045da.2b1bfa6d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ST. LOUIS ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH Austin, Texas   The Rev. Fr. C. Lawrence Covington, Pastor Scott F. Foppiano, Organist-Choirmaster and Director of Music Christopher B. Teel, Assistant Organist-Choirmaster   ADVENT I (YEAR B)   Setting of the Mass: New Plainsong (David Hurd)   Organ Voluntary: Wachet Auf! ruft uns die stimme (J.S. Bach) Processional: Come, O Long Expected Jesus (Stuttgart) Psalm: 80 (adapted by Howard Hughes, Psalm tone by Joseph Gelineau) Gospel Acclamation: Alleluia I (setting: Ed Nowak) Offertory: E'en So, Lord Jesus, Quickly Come (Paul Manz) Communion: The Voice of God Goes Out Through All the World (Toulon) Post Communion: O Jesus, Grant Me Hope and Comfort (Johann Franck) Recessional: O Come, O Come, Emmanuel (Veni, Veni Emmanuel) Organ Voluntary: Nun Komm der Heiden Heiland (J.S. Bach)   -SFF Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.   --part1_27.329045da.2b1bfa6d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">ST. LOUIS ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH<BR> Austin, Texas<BR> <BR> The Rev. Fr. C. Lawrence Covington, Pastor<BR> Scott F. Foppiano, Organist-Choirmaster and Director of Music<BR> Christopher B. Teel, Assistant Organist-Choirmaster<BR> <BR> ADVENT I (YEAR B)<BR> <BR> Setting of the Mass:&nbsp; New Plainsong (David Hurd)<BR> <BR> Organ Voluntary:&nbsp; Wachet Auf! ruft uns die stimme (J.S. Bach)<BR> Processional:&nbsp; Come, O Long Expected Jesus (Stuttgart)<BR> Psalm:&nbsp; 80&nbsp; (adapted by Howard Hughes, Psalm tone by Joseph = Gelineau)<BR> Gospel Acclamation:&nbsp; Alleluia I (setting: Ed Nowak)<BR> Offertory:&nbsp; E'en So, Lord Jesus, Quickly Come (Paul Manz)<BR> Communion:&nbsp; The Voice of God Goes Out Through All the World = (Toulon)<BR> Post Communion:&nbsp; O Jesus, Grant Me Hope and Comfort (Johann = Franck)<BR> Recessional:&nbsp; O Come, O Come, Emmanuel (Veni, Veni Emmanuel)<BR> Organ Voluntary:&nbsp; Nun Komm der Heiden Heiland (J.S. Bach)<BR> <BR> -SFF<BR> <I>Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.</I></FONT></HTML>   --part1_27.329045da.2b1bfa6d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Harpsichord terminology From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 18:56:35 -0500   On 12/1/02 5:45 PM, "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com> wrote:   > Alan Freed wrote: >> ...What does it mean what you say, >> a single manual 2x8, the second a Flemish Double 2x8, 1x4? > > Zuckermann probably offered a model with a single 8' rank of strings at > one time, but by 1979, when I built my first one, two ranks of > same-pitch strings were used.   Why? Just tonal richness? Two unison stops, as it were? Like a Diapason 8' and a Gemshorn 8'?   > I don't recall there being any reason for > an instrument with lute stop to have two levers unless it had two 8' > ranks, and the extra lever was to turn off one of the 8' ranks.   Well, surely "2" ranks means two sets of strings. Mine is only one set.   > It's possible the extra lever is a dummy, provided for future addition = of a > second 8'.   That IS possible, but I kind of b out it.   > The amount of motion to turn on/off the plectra is very > small, maybe 1/32", so it isn't practical to fine-tune the plectra > bite.   Agreed. But then what IS it used for? (Not an important question; purely academic, for me. Gee, I hope someone else is profiting from this.)   > The double that i have now has three controls; an on/off for the > 4', an on/off for one 8', and on/off for the lute. > > Does your instrument have a curved or flat "bent-side"? I seem to > recall that the earliest Zuckermanns (Zuckermenn?) with 1x8 were flat on > the bent-side.   Oh, you've got to explain that (or, I hope you will). You mean the bottom board, beneath the case? *I* think it's quite flat. But until it gets = out of the shop, I won't be able to look. And even then, can I trust my = visual assessment of that? > > That price you are paying for "all that work" sounds very good; they are > probably giving you a price break.   Possibly. It's being done by Robert Turner of Yonkers, NY, who is ALWAYS = in the wings at concerts and recording sessions by Anthony Newman and his = like in the NYC area.   NOTE of ON-topic relevance. Robert Turner's wife's godfather was VIRGIL FOX! > > Reading the literature from Zuckermann, they were pretty clear about the > added maintenance problems of adding the 1x4 - they even had a > single-manual model with 2x8 and 1x4, which they didn't really recommend > because all the extra bracing for the 4' reduced the resonance of the > soundboard.   But Mac, I'm still ignorant of what 1x4 and 2x8 mean--even though I knew = it once, decades ago. Is the first number the number of ranks ("sets of strings"?), and the second number the relationship to A=3D440? Though = surely even more approximate than in an organ, for MY instrument, though at = concert pitch, SURELY has no (actually) eight-foot strings (four (five?) feet at most).   > Some people insist on putting up with extra clatter and > maintenance, just for the added complexity of sound with all strings > "on". But when you are using just one or two 8' it is missing the > singing quality (sustain? Resonance?) of a simple instrument. > Mac, who the heck are you? I'm really appreciating your help.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Harpsichord terminology From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 18:58:25 -0500   On 12/1/02 5:56 PM, "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com> wrote:   > Way says that he also got interested in > harpsichords because of HIS interest in pipe organs.   GREAT! Then we're on topic again!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Expressing ourselves untactfully From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 19:10:09 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3121614609_12393630 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 12/1/02 6:37 PM, "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> wrote:   > Hello all from a lurker, > Breeding tells all. > BAF II > =3D20 > Well, BAF II, that=3DB9s a TRIFLE obscure, but I suspect that you=3DB9re = right, o=3D r > quite close to it. >=3D20 > Alan (who HAS to admire your succintness) >=3D20     --B_3121614609_12393630 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Expressing ourselves untactfully</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 12/1/02 6:37 PM, &quot;firman1&quot; = &lt;fi=3D rman1@prodigy.net&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">Hello all from a lurker,<BR> Breeding tells all.<BR> BAF II<BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"> <BR> Well, BAF II, that&#8217;s a TRIFLE obscure, but I suspect that = you&#8217;r=3D e right, or quite close to it.<BR> <BR> Alan (who HAS to admire your succintness) &nbsp;<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3121614609_12393630--    
(back) Subject: Re: Schwimmers as winding additia From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 18:14:25 -0600   I am not Mr. Speller, but will tell you that most of us, when using this construction, simply use a smaller bellows pressing on the schwimmer plate, and fed by a higher pressure tremulant pulsator valve. This gives a very nice "pressure rise' tremulant. Roy Redman   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > Dear Mr. Speller: > > Is there some kind of cut-out ventil to disengage the action of the > schwimmers when the tremulants are engaged, or do the schwimmers not > noticeably defeat the action of the tremulants? > > Sebastian M. Gluck > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: wicks 7rk....was Clavinova eruption... From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 18:15:12 -0600     Dear Ron:....It really took an 18wheeler to haul a 7rk Wicks?   Gee, we have a 6rker with four handles.....usually 2 to 4 men..just depending upon how many steps..LOL   just wunderin...     Jon B.  
(back) Subject: Fluttering Pittmans Solved!!!!! From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 18:28:38 -0600   Thanks to all who responded to my plea for suggestions for solving fluttering pittman problems, particularly with Pilcher chests. None had actually worked on the problem with Pilcher chests, but had solved the problem in various ways with Moller, Reuter etc. chests. The prize goes to Blaine Ricketts who suggested the solution of restricting the outlet of the stop action valve. Upon experimentation, I did discover that if I moved the valve slower by hand the fluttering did not start. I also discovered that closing the valve slightly stopped fluttering already started. A simple adjustment of the valve so that it did not open so far completely solved the problem!!! Great effort and frustration saved!!!! Perhaps this idea will also help others. Thanks again to all! Roy Redman    
(back) Subject: Breeding tells all? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 00:33:41 +0000 (GMT)   --0-858892748-1038789221=3D:91690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit     Hello, Well.....I think there is a pond-divide here. In the UK, it is always the respectable middle classes who speak = "correctly" and with due reference to poltical niceties and social = fashion. For reasons best known to themselves, it is the aristocracy who come out = with the worst phrases and comments......sometimes very entertainingly! The top ex-military people are by far the worst, with absolutely no = concessions made to good taste, decency or social expectations. It's always the very rich who can afford to be rude. Par example:- The following is a true story, concerning a former General who had retired = to the family manor. His Lordship was a hard-bitten military man to the = core, with scant regard for matters religious. Nevertheless, the local = Vicar managed to persuade him to read a lesson in church. Now, I am not very good at Biblical quotes, but the lesson of the day = included reference to various instruments; the words something like:- "And when they had done this, they praised the Lord on the strings and = pipes, the Lute, the Dulcimer, the Timbrel, harp and the instrument of a = hundred voices" His Lordship always carried a hip-flask full of Brandy, and being a rather = cold morning, he had fortified his bodily resources on the way to = church......regular booster-doses imbibed during Mattins. So, by the time he got up to read the lesson, he was a little unsteady, to = say the least. Drawling out the words, he spoke the lesson; each section concluding with = the bit about, "And when they had done this, they praised the Lord upon = the strings and pipes etc" After many renditions of this repeated section, he was obviously in quite = a bad way. So when it came to the last part, he paused briefly before = concluding........"And when....th....they had ..d....done zith, they = praised the Lo....Lord (Long Pause).....with the same bloody orchestra!" He never got invited back! Regards, Colin Mitchell UK PS: If anyone knows the reference for this particular passage in the = Bible, I will be able to tell this story rather better another time. firman1 <firman1@prodigy.net> wrote:Hello all from a lurker,Breeding = tells all.BAF II       --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits = your needs   --0-858892748-1038789221=3D:91690 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit   <P>Hello, <P>&nbsp; <P>Well.....I think there is a pond-divide here. <P>In the UK, it is always the respectable middle classes who speak = "correctly" and with due reference to poltical niceties and social = fashion. <P>For reasons best known to themselves, it is the aristocracy who come = out with the worst phrases and comments......sometimes very = entertainingly!&nbsp; <P>The top ex-military people are by far the worst, with absolutely no = concessions made to good taste, decency or social expectations. <P>It's always the very rich who can afford to be rude. <P>Par example:- <P>The following is a true story, concerning a former General who had = retired to the family manor. His Lordship was a hard-bitten military man = to the core, with scant regard for matters religious. Nevertheless, the = local Vicar managed to persuade him to read a lesson in church. <P>Now, I am not very good at Biblical quotes, but the&nbsp;lesson of the = day included reference to various instruments; the words something like:- <P>"And when they had done this, they praised the Lord on the strings and = pipes, the Lute, the Dulcimer, the Timbrel, harp and&nbsp;the instrument = of a hundred voices" <P>His Lordship always carried a hip-flask full of Brandy, and being a = rather cold morning, he had fortified his bodily resources on the way to = church......regular booster-doses imbibed during Mattins. <P>So, by the time he got up to read the lesson, he was a little unsteady, = to say the least. <P>Drawling out the words, he spoke the lesson; each section concluding = with the bit about, "And when they had done this, they praised the Lord upon the strings and = pipes etc" <P>After many renditions of this repeated section, he was obviously in = quite a bad way. So when it came to the last part, he paused briefly = before concluding........"And when....th....they had&nbsp;..d....done = zith, they praised the Lo....Lord (Long Pause).....with the same bloody = orchestra!" <P>He never got invited back! <P>Regards, <P>Colin Mitchell UK <P>PS: If anyone knows the reference for this particular passage in the = Bible, I will be able to tell this story rather better another time. <P>&nbsp;<B><I>firman1 &lt;firman1@prodigy.net&gt;</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 = Transitional//EN"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all from a lurker,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Breeding tells all.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BAF II</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><p><p><br><hr size=3D1><a = href=3D"http://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_xtra/?http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mai= l_storage.html"><b><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">With Yahoo! Mail you = can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your = needs</font></b></a><br> --0-858892748-1038789221=3D:91690--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fluttering Pittmans Solved!!!!! From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 18:39:53 -0600   Roy: If only all problems were that easily solved! Several years back, I had to redo pitmans in an entire M=F6ller...they were still in buziness then. The problem resulted from them using material that was too thin, and it all curled. Eventually stops would not play. It's a lotta fun laying on reulators and putting new pittmans and retainers in a M=F6ller chest...I think it was about 46rks worth....   Jon Bertschinger  
(back) Subject: Re: Breeding tells all? From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:54:13 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000E_01C29973.6C444F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear Colin, I must agree with you. I know this is off topic but our dear =3D president, during his campaign was caught with an obvious faux pas with = =3D an open mike. Using that language in public will get you a disorderly =3D conduct charge otherwise. I also have to agree that some of the language = =3D used here at times leaves much to be desired as most on this list are =3D educated. Unfortunately their emotions get the best of them. Paul ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Colin Mitchell=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 7:33 PM Subject: Breeding tells all?     Hello,=3D20   =3D20   Well.....I think there is a pond-divide here.=3D20   In the UK, it is always the respectable middle classes who speak =3D "correctly" and with due reference to poltical niceties and social =3D fashion.=3D20   For reasons best known to themselves, it is the aristocracy who come =3D out with the worst phrases and comments......sometimes very =3D entertainingly! =3D20   The top ex-military people are by far the worst, with absolutely no =3D concessions made to good taste, decency or social expectations.=3D20   It's always the very rich who can afford to be rude.=3D20   Par example:-=3D20   The following is a true story, concerning a former General who had =3D retired to the family manor. His Lordship was a hard-bitten military man = =3D to the core, with scant regard for matters religious. Nevertheless, the = =3D local Vicar managed to persuade him to read a lesson in church.=3D20   Now, I am not very good at Biblical quotes, but the lesson of the day = =3D included reference to various instruments; the words something like:-=3D20   "And when they had done this, they praised the Lord on the strings and = =3D pipes, the Lute, the Dulcimer, the Timbrel, harp and the instrument of a = =3D hundred voices"=3D20   His Lordship always carried a hip-flask full of Brandy, and being a =3D rather cold morning, he had fortified his bodily resources on the way to = =3D church......regular booster-doses imbibed during Mattins.=3D20   So, by the time he got up to read the lesson, he was a little =3D unsteady, to say the least.=3D20   Drawling out the words, he spoke the lesson; each section concluding =3D with the bit about, "And when they had done this, they praised the Lord = =3D upon the strings and pipes etc"=3D20   After many renditions of this repeated section, he was obviously in =3D quite a bad way. So when it came to the last part, he paused briefly =3D before concluding........"And when....th....they had ..d....done zith, =3D they praised the Lo....Lord (Long Pause).....with the same bloody =3D orchestra!"=3D20   He never got invited back!=3D20   Regards,=3D20   Colin Mitchell UK=3D20   PS: If anyone knows the reference for this particular passage in the =3D Bible, I will be able to tell this story rather better another time.=3D20   firman1 <firman1@prodigy.net> wrote:=3D20   Hello all from a lurker, Breeding tells all. BAF II             -------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D ----- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that =3D fits your needs     ------=3D_NextPart_000_000E_01C29973.6C444F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear Colin,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I must agree with = =3D you. I know=3D20 this is off topic but our dear president, during his campaign was caught = =3D with an=3D20 obvious faux pas with an open mike. Using that language in public will =3D get you a=3D20 disorderly conduct charge otherwise. I also have to agree that some of =3D the=3D20 language used here at times leaves much to be desired as most on this =3D list are=3D20 educated. Unfortunately their emotions get the best of =3D them.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Paul</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dcmys13085@yahoo.co.uk =3D href=3D3D"mailto:cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk">Colin=3D20 Mitchell</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 01, 2002 = =3D 7:33=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Breeding tells =3D all?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>Hello,=3D20 <P>=3D20 <P>Well.....I think there is a pond-divide here.=3D20 <P>In the UK, it is always the respectable middle classes who speak=3D20 "correctly" and with due reference to poltical niceties and social =3D fashion.=3D20 <P>For reasons best known to themselves, it is the aristocracy who =3D come out=3D20 with the worst phrases and comments......sometimes very =3D entertainingly!&nbsp;=3D20 <P>The top ex-military people are by far the worst, with absolutely no = =3D   concessions made to good taste, decency or social expectations.=3D20 <P>It's always the very rich who can afford to be rude.=3D20 <P>Par example:-=3D20 <P>The following is a true story, concerning a former General who had = =3D retired=3D20 to the family manor. His Lordship was a hard-bitten military man to =3D the core,=3D20 with scant regard for matters religious. Nevertheless, the local Vicar = =3D managed=3D20 to persuade him to read a lesson in church.=3D20 <P>Now, I am not very good at Biblical quotes, but the&nbsp;lesson of = =3D the day=3D20 included reference to various instruments; the words something = like:-=3D20 <P>"And when they had done this, they praised the Lord on the strings = =3D and=3D20 pipes, the Lute, the Dulcimer, the Timbrel, harp and&nbsp;the =3D instrument of a=3D20 hundred voices"=3D20 <P>His Lordship always carried a hip-flask full of Brandy, and being a = =3D rather=3D20 cold morning, he had fortified his bodily resources on the way to=3D20 church......regular booster-doses imbibed during Mattins.=3D20 <P>So, by the time he got up to read the lesson, he was a little =3D unsteady, to=3D20 say the least.=3D20 <P>Drawling out the words, he spoke the lesson; each section =3D concluding with=3D20 the bit about, "And when they had done this, they praised the Lord =3D upon the=3D20 strings and pipes etc"=3D20 <P>After many renditions of this repeated section, he was obviously in = =3D quite a=3D20 bad way. 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(back) Subject: Re: Harpsichord terminology (LITTLE Organ content) From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:24:50 EST   In a message dated 12/1/02 7:59:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes:   << But Mac, I'm still ignorant of what 1x4 and 2x8 mean--even though I = knew it once, decades ago. Is the first number the number of ranks ("sets of strings"?), and the second number the relationship to A=3D440? Though = surely even more approximate than in an organ, for MY instrument, though at = concert pitch, SURELY has no (actually) eight-foot strings (four (five?) feet at most). >>   I think the "1X4" means one set of strings sounding an octave higher than written (kinda like a 4' stop). The "2X8" would mean two sets of strings sounding at written pitch. There may have been some tonal difference = between these two sets, but I believe that the main reason for using both sets was =   for more volume, and using only one set would allow the player to play = with less volume (Remember, this was before the Forte-Piano). The player can decide, via "stops", which set or sets of strings to use.   As far as 8-foot strings go, they aren't in your harpsichord, but by = wrapping the lower sounding strings in more wire (and making them fatter), they can =   pretend that they're really longer than they are. You'll notice at some point going up the scale, the strings stop being wrapped and instead get shorter to play the higher pitches.   When you sit down to tune your harpsichord (something you'll grow to adore =   doing) (grin), you can tune it to whatever pitch you like (within limits). = You may tune it to 440 or 415 or ????? (OR, if you're really lucky, there will be a doo-hickey which-a-ma-call-it which will allow you to move the keyboard down one string so instead of the A key plucking the A-440 = string, it will pluck the A-flat=3D415 string, or in the new position -- A=3D415. = But doing this will eliminate the lowest C on the instrument [unless there is another string there just for this occurance]).   And while we're talking about harpsichords, here's a link which is rather interesting:   <A HREF=3D"http://www.henrylim.org/Harpsichord.html">Click here: = Harpsichord</A> (Please excuse me if this has already made it to this list).   Richard