PipeChat Digest #3273 - Tuesday, December 3, 2002
 
"New" words - was Re: My little organ (Spelling error)
  by "Mickey Sadler" <msadler@netset.com>
Re: Clavinova disrupts Messiah rehearsal
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Schwimmers and pneumatics.
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
Re: Fluttering Pittmans Solved!!!!!
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Breeding tells all?
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Harpsichord stuff (somewhat relevant to organs. long post.)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: www.felix-hell.com
  by "Hans-Friedrich Hell" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
RE: Who controls the volume?   ARGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Who controls the volume?   ARGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
  by "Steve Chandler" <stevec@open-tech.com>
Re: Harpsichord terminology
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Re: www.felix-hell.com
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@optonline.net>
Re: Who controls the volume?   ARGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Harpsichord terminology
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Organ recitals in Florida, Alabama, Georgia
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
timbrel, et al.
  by "Jonathan" <jhumbert@ptd.net>
How to prove a Steady wind supply?
  by "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net>
 

(back) Subject: "New" words - was Re: My little organ (Spelling error) From: "Mickey Sadler" <msadler@netset.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:22:00 -0500   At 5:38 PM -0600 12/1/02, PipeChat wrote: > >Subject: Re: My little organ (Spelling error) >From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> >Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:03:34 +1300 > >Endlessly fascinating to me, too. > >I came across a good one right here just the other day: something made of >unobtainium. That's a great new word. Mind you, there are squillions of >wonderful words that are now obsolete but deserve to be revived. > >Ross   Hi All,   Unobtainium has been around for quite a while. Check the definition of unobtainium at Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia at http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium or search for it with Google to see some of the amazing products available.   I ran across a new "verb" the other day. Someone had been looking for something and wrote "I googled xyz part and found ........". Interesting the way new words and uses are put into the language.   Back to lurking.   Mickey -- Mickey E. Sadler Dublin, Ohio  
(back) Subject: Re: Clavinova disrupts Messiah rehearsal From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:46:51 -0500   Last year (and again next week) I played/will play a Clavinova for a Messiah sing-in. So far, no boogie demo- but I'm forwarned. I didn't bring my harpsichord (a kit-built Hubbard French double) over, due to space limitations, and I was pleasantly surprised by the harpsichord sound on = the Clavinova- it worked pretty well. What was odd was having this decent harpsichord sound come while playing piano-weighted keys. It came in = handy, though, for the Hallelujah Chorus, when I realized I could play it like a piano- big chords in the right hand, and octaves in the bass throughout, the object being to make as much noise as possible. Kind of fun!   Paul   http://www.sover.net/~popel/agomain.html      
(back) Subject: Re: Schwimmers and pneumatics. From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:19:11 -0500   One line of pneumatic Rotary Actuators is "PNEU-TURN" by Bimba Mfg. Co. in Illinois, and they have adjustable rotation angle. However, the cost is considerably higher than a linear double-acting pneumatic cylinder.   Either rotary or linear, a feedback system (either linearly proportional = or incremental switches) is needed for control, unless a separate actuator is used for each shade. Such a system sounds good, but it needs a source of = at least 25 PSIG air. The compressor could be down in the basement with the organ blower. Exhaust mufflers and speed-control valves are available = for the cylinders (or rotaries).   Ed, in Maine   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 6:19 PM Subject: Schwimmers and pneumatics.   > It would also be interesting to experiment with pneumatic Rotary > Actuators for Swell Shade control. There are many times where more > "horsepower" is needed for larger sets of Swell shades than what > Peterson engines can do. The older bellows-type pneumatics seem a bit > sluggish by comparison. > > Just to modify the subject a little bit. . . Faithfully, G.A.> -- > Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO > SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc.      
(back) Subject: Re: Fluttering Pittmans Solved!!!!! From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:00:49 -0600   This is a common problem with those Mollers that were built with cork pitmans, and as you say it is a miserable job sitting under the chests and replacing them all. One thing that helps is using the nozzle of a cannister-style vacuum cleaner attached to the hole at the end of the pitman rail with duct tape to keep the pitmans in place while you glue on the pitman retainers. After you have put three or four pitmans in place, there is usually enough of a vacuum to keep all the others up on the pitman rail, and then gluing the pitman retainers on is much easier.   John Speller   jon bertschinger wrote: > > Roy: If only all problems were that easily solved! Several > years back, I had to redo pitmans in an entire M=F6ller...they were > still in buziness then. The problem resulted from them using > material that was too thin, and it all curled. Eventually stops > would not play. It's a lotta fun laying on reulators and putting > new pittmans and retainers in a M=F6ller chest...I think it was > about 46rks worth....  
(back) Subject: Re: Breeding tells all? From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:11:58 EST     --part1_140.3f19167.2b1cc42e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   This is off topic, but funny to me. I went out with a guy last week with = the last name of Breeding who told me much too much. Lee   --part1_140.3f19167.2b1cc42e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">This is off topic, but funny to me.&nbsp; I went = out with a guy last week with the last name of Breeding who told me much = too much.&nbsp; Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_140.3f19167.2b1cc42e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Harpsichord stuff (somewhat relevant to organs. long post.) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:15:55 -0500   On 12/1/02 9:51 PM, "Jerry Ripley" <JA.Ripley@gte.net> wrote:   > I know that this has been quite a long read, if you've consumed it all! > I'll hope that it has been helpful to some of you! > Jerry, you've been IMMENSELY helpful. I'm printing out your piece and sharing it with others. Thank you for your effort and time to write about your instruments.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: www.felix-hell.com From: "Hans-Friedrich Hell" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: 02 Dec 2002 14:49 GMT   Thanks, Mike, for the compliments. Regarding the organ I don't know, whether it is a "mean" Casavant or not (Whatever "mean" means here!!). I haven't seen it, and I haven't heard it. But I recall, that Felix performed on a brandnew Casavant of about the same size last year in Poughkeepsie/NY, and that was a v e r y fine instrument. I doubt, however, that Felix would consider to perform Liszt's "Ad Nos" on an instrument of this size and tonal design.   Hans     "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> wrote:   Hi Glenda, I can tell you from experience that Felix plays a mean Casavant. be sur= e to take Rick with you if Felix is playing the Ad Nos. The foot trills sound like he's starting his Harley with his leg speed matching the pistons. Seriously, I have heard him play 4 older Casavants in Canada, and I'm s= ure he will give you a treat on a newer one as well. Don't miss it.   Cheers Mike   Hans-Friedrich Hell wrote:   > Hi Glenda et al., > > the organ is a 29-rank Casavant, built and designed > for the 1997-renovated sanctuary. The church > describes the acoustics as "lovely" and reports, > that Diane Bish and Paul Jacobs have performed > on their series. > > Hans-Friedrich Hell > > "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> wrote: > > I notice that Felix is playing at a Palms Presbyterian Church in > > Jacksonville Beach on February 16, 2003. The web site mentions the ter= m > > "pipe organ", but I didn't find much about it. Does anyone know > > anything about the organ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Glenda Sutton > > gksjd85@direcway.com     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     ------  
(back) Subject: RE: Who controls the volume? ARGHHHHHHHH!!!!!! From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:08:19 -0600   Jeff:   The participants in this spat need to see Eminem's new movie "Eight Mile." That's how a real performance battle is played out....   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Jeff White [mailto:reedstop@prodigy.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:21 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Who controls the volume? ARGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!   > For all those considering coupling an organ with the church's sound > system, DON'T. TRUST ME!!!!! You nearly can't make a worse decision. > Dennis   Dennis.....what a pain that guy was!! I have to say this, but please, = it's TOTALLY tongue-in-cheek....you just made a good argument FOR a pipe organ! <HUGE GRIN>   I have a similar problem that just came up this past week, although it doesn't involve the organ, but an over-zealous praise band keyboardist/leader (not me) who insists on controlling it all from a separate mixer from the churches. Folks, if you come to my church in the next couple of weeks, wear boots and rain gear because the mess is going = to hit the rotating cooling device!! (I wasn't even THERE; I was taking a vacation day...and i spent the morning subbing at my home church's three services. GRIN)   Back to your case, Dennis...YOU should control the organ, and ONLY you. Tell the mixer guy to keep his mitts off. :-)   Jeff     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Who controls the volume? ARGHHHHHHHH!!!!!! From: "Steve Chandler" <stevec@open-tech.com> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:11:08 -0600   > Sebastian wrote: > > Now is the time for us to seriously evaluate how an entire church > community gets to the point at which this type of thing is seen as = "perfectly > okay." No real liturgical accompanimental instrument, with an ignorant = nerd > at the P.A. potentiometer, and nobody noticing that the visiting = musician > cannot make music.   I realize the protocol at a worship service will be different than what = would be typical for a band at a club. Having said that, in church's that = use sound technicians and club style equipment the protocol used by most club performers is perhaps necessary. What I mean is when a singer = or instrumentalist can't hear himself he tells the sound technician over = the PA. It's very public and the audience understands immediately there's a problem shifting the onus for a poor performance = onto the sound technician. Of course this assumes you have a mic at your = mouth, that not being the case try pointing to the instrument and using your hand palm up to indicate greater volume is desired. In other = words don't get mad, just communicate. It works in the clubs (I know I was = there in my youth) why shouldn't it work at churches that use club style PAs?   Steve Chandler      
(back) Subject: Re: Harpsichord terminology From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:22:58 -0500   >Since it's in the shop, I can't look to confirm this, but as I recall = there >are TWO little levers to adjust; one is the lute stop, of course; what's = the >other? Plectra adjustment for light or heavy bite?   Yes, that's exactly what it is. Zuckerman called it a "half stop". You = had the option of controlling it with the second lever or adding a "knee = pedal". The top jack guide (I don't know what it's called, properly) moves left = and right, a little like a slider, to move the jacks away from the strings. Voicing is a bear.   Dick Meckstroth  
(back) Subject: Re: www.felix-hell.com From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@optonline.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:43:09 -0500   I've looked at the 2003 schedule for Felix and I've >noticed that thus far there are no concerts listed >in the New York/New Jersey area. > >Here's my Christmas wish list: > >I would love to hear Felix on the Schantz in Newark, NJ; >I would love to hear Felix on the Tellers in >Ridgwood, NJ; >I would love to hear Felix on the Mander at St. >Iggy's in NY, NY. > >How about it???? > >Marika       Hans-Friedrich Hell wrote:   >Thanks, Mike, for the compliments. >Regarding the organ I don't know, whether >it is a "mean" Casavant or not (Whatever >"mean" means here!!). I haven't seen it, and I >haven't heard it. But I recall, that Felix >performed on a brandnew Casavant of about the same >size last year in Poughkeepsie/NY, and that was a > v e r y fine instrument. I doubt, however, >that Felix would consider to perform Liszt's >"Ad Nos" on an instrument of this size and tonal design. > >Hans > > >"Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> wrote: > >Hi Glenda, > I can tell you from experience that Felix plays a mean Casavant. be = sure >to take Rick with you if Felix is playing the Ad Nos. The foot trills = sound >like he's starting his Harley with his leg speed matching the pistons. > Seriously, I have heard him play 4 older Casavants in Canada, and I'm = sure >he will give you a treat on a newer one as well. Don't miss it. > > Cheers > Mike > >Hans-Friedrich Hell wrote: > > > >>Hi Glenda et al., >> >>the organ is a 29-rank Casavant, built and designed >>for the 1997-renovated sanctuary. The church >>describes the acoustics as "lovely" and reports, >>that Diane Bish and Paul Jacobs have performed >>on their series. >> >>Hans-Friedrich Hell >> >>"Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> wrote: >> >> >>>I notice that Felix is playing at a Palms Presbyterian Church in >>>Jacksonville Beach on February 16, 2003. The web site mentions the = term >>>"pipe organ", but I didn't find much about it. Does anyone know >>>anything about the organ? >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Glenda Sutton >>>gksjd85@direcway.com >>> >>> > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >------ > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >   -- Jungian Type: INTJ        
(back) Subject: Re: Who controls the volume? ARGHHHHHHHH!!!!!! From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:59:21 -0500   On 12/2/02 12:11 PM, "Steve Chandler" <stevec@open-tech.com> wrote:   > Of course this assumes you have a mic at your mouth, that not being the = case > try pointing to the instrument and > using your hand palm up to indicate greater volume is desired. In other = words > don't get mad, just communicate. It works in the clubs (I know I was = there in > my youth) why shouldn't it work at churches that use club style PAs?   Steve: I THINK I understand what you're saying. But I'm not sure. A fuller paragraph or so about it would be welcomed by me. To tip my hand, I'm in favor of electronics at a service at the Mexico City Stadium, but = not (except for recording purposes, or assistance for hard-of-hearing) in ANY church seating 1000 or fewer.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Harpsichord terminology From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:10:19 -0500   On 12/2/02 12:22 PM, "support@opensystemsorgans.com" <support@opensystemsorgans.com> wrote:   >> Since it's in the shop, I can't look to confirm this, but as I recall = there >> are TWO little levers to adjust; one is the lute stop, of course; = what's the >> other? Plectra adjustment for light or heavy bite? > > Yes, that's exactly what it is. Zuckerman called it a "half stop". You = had > the option of controlling it with the second lever or adding a "knee = pedal". > The top jack guide (I don't know what it's called, properly) moves left = and > right, a little like a slider, to move the jacks away from the strings. > Voicing is a bear. > > Dick Meckstroth > Dick: Thank you! You almost make it sound like I know what I'm talking about (which I most certainly do NOT), which means that your input, and = that of several others, whom I have not acknowledged, has been so VERY helpful = to me.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Organ recitals in Florida, Alabama, Georgia From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:03:54 -0600   I would just really like to hear Felix do some of his "new" stuff, but he is not coming anywhere near me with an organ large enough to do the Ad nos, and I'm not going to Germany or the Northeast this year. This year will be our 25th wedding anniversary, and I gotta take Rick to the Grand Canyon - not sure either or both of us will survive the trip.   I was hoping that the Jacksonville Beach venue would boast an organ of a size to allow something on the scale of the "Ad nos", but with what Hans has said about the organ, a 7:00 pm Sunday evening recital time, and a full court docket the next morning in DeFuniak (a good 5-6 hour drive), I don't know. I'm not twenty-something anymore.   I was also hoping to hear the new Gainesville Fisk in January, but I've heard that Marilyn Keiser is not performing, and I've already heard Joan Lippincott this year. There's Ken Cowan at Spivey Hall on January 18, but the Music at Christ Church schedule is not exciting and otherwise my immediate future of organ performance enjoyment looks rather bleak.   Is there anything organic going on at Coral Ridge or the Kirk at Dunedin after the first of the year? Any other suggestions for organ performance in Florida, the lower half of Alabama or Georgia?   Maybe we could book Felix at the Mormon Tabernacle while I am out there!   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: timbrel, et al. From: "Jonathan" <jhumbert@ptd.net> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:54:32 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0063_01C29A4D.6549F460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear Colin,   I think I found the passage that you are looking for from the =3D reading that that military man attempted. It should be found in Psalm =3D 150:3-5 or thereabouts. I already deleted your post and forget the =3D actual composition of the phrase. Hope this helps.   Regards, Jonathan   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0063_01C29A4D.6549F460 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style">Dear Colin,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I think I found = =3D the=3D20 passage that you are looking for from the reading that that military man = =3D   attempted.&nbsp; It should be found in Psalm 150:3-5 or =3D thereabouts.&nbsp; I=3D20 already deleted your post and forget the actual composition of the =3D phrase.&nbsp;=3D20 Hope this helps.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old Style">Regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Bookman Old =3D Style">Jonathan</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0063_01C29A4D.6549F460--    
(back) Subject: How to prove a Steady wind supply? From: "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:33:58 -0700   I have a four-rank set of dual chests, each with spring-loaded chest = floors (sort of Austin, I'm told). I've been trying to tune some of the higher-pitched pipes, and am finding it nearly impossible to do so using = the differential-beat method (the chests are connected to my Rodgers 760 Concord). I suspect the wind supply (likely the blower) may be unstable, showing up as a fast tremolo-style pitch changes.   Ergo, the question: how does one tell if the wind supply is stable? --Sam Sam Vause, Chandler, AZ