PipeChat Digest #3277 - Thursday, December 5, 2002
 
RE: Victorian note values
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Subject: Amy and a Pipe Organ
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: wicks 7rk....was Clavinova eruption...
  by "noel jones, aago" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Clavinovas and electronic keyboards
  by "Carol Scott" <dclscott@skyenet.net>
Open Console results
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Open Console results
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
The High Desert Touring Classical Organ
  by "Bob Richardson" <bob@peak.org>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Victorian note values From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:20:14 +0000 (GMT)   --0-2037764246-1039018814=3D:70939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit     Finally, (before I go to work) Indeed Paul....but of course, the whole working-class music movement was = highly politicised. It's interesting that the Burgers and mill-owners = proudly built the Town Halls as a source of "edification" and to be a = "civilising influence". The trade unions, led by the non-conformists (Conregational liberals and = the Methodists) had better ideas. "They" gave us music, but "we'll" show them how to do it properly! They made their point! Regards, Colin Mitchell UK "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote:Thank you, Colin, for reminding = me of these counterexamples to my suggestion (which, as I said, I *want* to see refuted).   There is also the whole choral society movement, which was especially = strong in the industrial north of England. Weren't all those huge town halls with huge organs built mainly to house performances by large choirs of working-class folk?           --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits = your needs   --0-2037764246-1039018814=3D:70939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit   <P>Finally, (before I go to work) <P>Indeed Paul....but of course, the whole working-class music movement = was highly politicised. It's interesting that the Burgers and mill-owners = proudly built the Town Halls as a source of "edification" and to be a = "civilising influence". <P>The trade unions, led by the non-conformists (Conregational liberals = and the Methodists) had better ideas. <P>"They" gave us music, but "we'll" show them how to do it properly! <P>They made their point! <P>Regards, <P>Colin Mitchell UK <P>&nbsp;<B><I>"Emmons, Paul" &lt;pemmons@wcupa.edu&gt;</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Thank you, Colin, for reminding me of these = counterexamples to my suggestion<BR>(which, as I said, I *want* to see = refuted).<BR><BR>There is also the whole choral society movement, which = was especially strong<BR>in the industrial north of England. Weren't all = those huge town halls with<BR>huge organs built mainly to house = performances by large choirs of<BR>working-class = folk?<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p><p><br><hr size=3D1><a = href=3D"http://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_xtra/?http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mai= l_storage.html"><b><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">With Yahoo! Mail you = can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your = needs</font></b></a><br> --0-2037764246-1039018814=3D:70939--  
(back) Subject: Re: Subject: Amy and a Pipe Organ From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:55:18 EST     --part1_aa.15e75bd7.2b1f8d76_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/4/02 9:16:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, docamy@alltel.net writes: > I guess the reason I joined this > list was so I could learn about them and assist in making a reasonable > decision about what to get if the chance to get a pipe organ should = arise.   Hi Amy, I missed your orginal post, but assume that you are looking for a pipe = organ for your home. What you want, of course, is something beautiful and pleasant to listent to that will, ultimately, "do the work."   There are so many small, independent builders doing wonderful work, and = some of the larger builders are now considering the beauty and function of = small organs.   I'm the organist for First Baptist Church - Gainesville FL and play a 3/44 =   Casavant built in 1975 (spec and pictures on my webpage at "Pipe Organs" - =   url below). Even with this moderately large instrument, I spend most of = my time practicing on the Great Principal 8 and the Pedal Octave 8. These = are incredibly beautiful sounds, and are clean, warm and easy to listen to for = an extended time; and they don't disturb everyone in the building! When = I'm playing trios I use the Great Spitzflute 4 and the Positive Koppelflote 4, =   with the Swell Rohrflote 8 coupled to the Pedal, or the Pedal Gedekt 8. It's a very light, pleasing sound that does not tire my ears and provides great clarity.   So, for me a practice organ could easily be: Great: Princpal 8, Spitzflote 4 Positiv: Koppelflote 4 Pedal: Spitzflute 8 (I prefer open flutes in the pedal since they are = less "weighty")   Hope this helps. Please keep us up to date on your dreams and your = project.   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 check out <A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">Vision Success </A>       --part1_aa.15e75bd7.2b1f8d76_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/4/02 9:16:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, docamy@alltel.net writes: <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I guess the reason = I joined this <BR>list was so I could learn about them and assist in making a reasonable <BR>decision about what to get if the chance to get a pipe organ should = arise.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Hi Amy, <BR>I missed your orginal post, but assume that you are looking for a pipe = organ for your home. &nbsp;&nbsp;What you want, of course, is something = beautiful and pleasant to listent to that will, ultimately, "do the work." =   <BR> <BR>There are so many small, independent builders doing wonderful work, = and some of the larger builders are now considering the beauty and = function of small organs. <BR> <BR>I'm the organist for First Baptist Church - Gainesville FL and play a = 3/44 Casavant built in 1975 (spec and pictures on my webpage at "Pipe = Organs" - url below). &nbsp;&nbsp;Even with this moderately large = instrument, I spend most of my time practicing on the Great Principal 8 = and the Pedal Octave 8. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;These are incredibly beautiful = sounds, and are clean, warm and easy to listen to for an extended time; = and they don't disturb everyone in the building! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When = I'm playing trios I use the Great Spitzflute 4 and the Positive = Koppelflote 4, with the Swell Rohrflote 8 coupled to the Pedal, or the = Pedal Gedekt 8. &nbsp;&nbsp;It's a very light, pleasing sound that does = not tire my ears and provides great clarity. <BR> <BR>So, for me a practice organ could easily be: <BR>Great: &nbsp;Princpal 8, Spitzflote 4 <BR>Positiv: &nbsp;Koppelflote 4 <BR>Pedal: &nbsp;Spitzflute 8 &nbsp;(I prefer open flutes in the pedal since they are less "weighty") <BR> <BR>Hope this helps. &nbsp;Please keep us up to date on your dreams and = your project. <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;check out &nbsp;&nbsp;<A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">Vision Success </A> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_aa.15e75bd7.2b1f8d76_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: wicks 7rk....was Clavinova eruption... From: "noel jones, aago" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:55:09 -0400   Don Borden traveled tuning it for awhile and marveled at the consistency and ease of keeping it going.     > The organ dollies allowed the tech to move the organ parts > around by himself.   -- noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa ------------------------------- frog music press rodgers organ users group www.frogmusic.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Clavinovas and electronic keyboards From: "Carol Scott" <dclscott@skyenet.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:32:27 -0500     Margo wrote: "I have a Kurzweil with weighted keys that I take to gigs on the road, so = to speak. And it also has a pretty good harpsichord sound - woudn't pass in = a solo concert, but a good fake in a continuo setting. The problem I fight = with it is physical - when my ears hear harpsichord, my arms and hands = automatically change techniques and start playing without arm-weight. Before long it = becomes painful. I have great difficulty playing the "harpsichord" with piano technique. But I find I have to be constantly aware, or I really could = strain things. If I just play and ignore it, I am sore for some time afterwards. (And when I play with organ sound, I have to keep reminding my left hand = that it has to play my feet's part. Oh, well - maybe it is just my weak = mind.....) But it might be something to think about if any of you find your arms sore after playing other sounds on piano-weighted keys." ---------- I don't have enough experience on a real harpsichord to have the first = problem-- but I do find it very disconcerting to play with piano = technique-- weighted keys, sustain pedal-- when the sound is that of an = 'organ.'   Carol Scott Stevensville United Methodist Church, Michigan      
(back) Subject: Open Console results From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:16:27 EST     --part1_6b.38e2646.2b1fe6cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Greetings all,   Recently the choir of the Worthington United Methodist Church held a = silent auction at their fund raising Chefs & Clefs supper/entertainment. = Auctioned off were the services of various choir members and other interested = people.   As my service, I once again offered an Open Console in which I gave an = organ crawl and a 45 minute at the console of the church's Schlicker.   Last year, the Open Console was won by a 7 year old daughter of a choir member. She had been playing the piano for only six months, and was most eager to play on the organ the only song she knew very well.   This year, the same young lady, now with 18 months of piano lessons behind =   her, overbid an adult to gain the same privileges again. This time she was =   prepared with seven songs that she had practiced for the occasion. Never = mind that she played several songs two or three times; she was really playing = the organ this time! Was she proud!   Has anyone else experienced such occasions lately? The seed is planted for =   the next generation to love organ music!   Musically, Stan Krider   --part1_6b.38e2646.2b1fe6cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Greetings all,<BR> <BR> Recently the choir of the Worthington United Methodist Church held a = silent auction at their fund raising Chefs &amp; Clefs = supper/entertainment. Auctioned off were the services of various choir = members and other interested people.<BR> <BR> As my service, I once again offered an Open Console in which I gave an = organ crawl and a 45 minute at the console of the church's Schlicker.<BR> <BR> Last year, the Open Console was won by a 7 year old daughter of a choir = member. She had been playing the piano for only six months, and was most = eager to play on the organ the only song she knew very well.<BR> <BR> This year, the same young lady, now with 18 months of piano lessons behind = her, overbid an adult to gain the same privileges again. This time she was = prepared with seven songs that she had practiced for the occasion. Never = mind that she played several songs two or three times; she was really = playing the organ this time! Was she proud! <BR> <BR> Has anyone else experienced such occasions lately? The seed is planted for = the next generation to love organ music!<BR> <BR> Musically,<BR> Stan Krider</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6b.38e2646.2b1fe6cb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Open Console results From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:58:46 EST     --part1_191.11505ce5.2b204516_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     you wrote---As my service, I once again offered an Open Console in which I =   gave an organ crawl and a 45 minute at the console of the church's = Schlicker.   That darling little child could be playing Bach chorales if she had an = organ to practice on 2 or 3 hours a week and a mentor. Come on--take advantage = of the talent and love this little one has! Give her parents the keys to the =   church and instructions about how to use the organ, a copy of the the = Nilson pedal book, the Bach orgelbuchlein and bi monthly lessons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!If you are going to talk about = cultivating, DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   One shouldn't have to bid to pracitce on an organ in thier own church or = for a tour of an organ their tithe pays to maintain. It is thier organ-they = pay you to play it. I sure don't lock my console. I hope you all don't = either. About the only way someone could hurt an organ would be to beat the keys = with a hammer or yank on drawknobs as hard as possible! If anything, it discourages curiousity of an already too small field of interest. Who = will they bother, a secretary down a hallway 100 feet away?   This story bothers me.... Sorry, Gfc   --part1_191.11505ce5.2b204516_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2> <BR>you wrote---As my service, I once again offered an Open Console in = which I gave an organ crawl and a 45 minute at the console of the church's = Schlicker. <BR> <BR>That darling little child could be playing Bach chorales if she had an = organ to practice on 2 or 3 hours a week and a mentor. &nbsp;Come on--take = advantage of the talent and love this little one has! &nbsp;Give her = parents the keys to the church and instructions about how to use the = organ, a copy of the the Nilson pedal book, the Bach orgelbuchlein and bi = monthly lessons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!If you are going to talk about = cultivating, DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <BR> <BR>One shouldn't have to bid to pracitce on an organ in thier own church = or for a tour of an organ their tithe pays to maintain. &nbsp;It is thier = organ-they pay you to play it. &nbsp;I sure don't lock my console. &nbsp;I = hope you all don't either. &nbsp;About the only way someone could hurt an = organ would be to beat the keys with a hammer or yank on drawknobs as hard = as possible! &nbsp;If anything, it discourages curiousity of an already = too small field of interest. &nbsp;Who will they bother, a secretary down = a hallway 100 feet away? <BR> <BR>This story bothers me.... <BR>Sorry, <BR>Gfc &nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_191.11505ce5.2b204516_boundary--  
(back) Subject: The High Desert Touring Classical Organ From: "Bob Richardson" <bob@peak.org> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 01:04:02 -0800   Hi All -   Some of you may remember me prattling on about my organ project last = summer - to create a touring instrument capable of visiting the desert for an outdoor concert.   Well, I've finally produced a web page chronicling the results. It's at:   http://www.bobrichardson.com/desert_organ_1.html   I invite you to check it out and let me know what you think.   Best wishes, Bob Richardson