PipeChat Digest #3285 - Saturday, December 7, 2002
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #3281 - 12/06/02
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: Acoustics etc
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: Big Organ/Orchestra for MESSIAH
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: Big Organ/Orchestra for MESSIAH
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Large scale Messiah.
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Handel's  Hallelujah Chorus....sing along text.
  by "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
Re: Large scale Messiah.
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Large scale Messiah.
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Large scale Messiah.
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
Re: Steinmeyer
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Crystal Palace organ
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Romantic notions
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Awestruck in Atlanta - Peachtree Road U.M.C.
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Messiah CDs
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
RE: Crystal Palace organ
  by "Barry H Bodie" <bbodie@InfoAve.Net>
RE: Crystal Palace organ
  by "R.E. Malone" <remalone@btinternet.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3281 - 12/06/02 From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:58:16 +0000   We had a fairly extensive discussion on Compton organs not so long ago. Although no subject is ever exhausted, I think it would be difficult to = come up with many new ideas. What can we add to what has already been said? Now = a John Compton web site might be interesting - most living builders have = their own web sites promoting their instruments, but those who are no longer = with us can fall by the wayside. Ivor Buckingham on Second Touch is "THE" = expert on all Compton cinema organs, and he has and there is considerable collective knowledge on the list of Compton Church organs, I am sure. Although Compton organs have undoubted failings, they do have a following, =   and there are still some fine sounding instruments of theirs around such = as Southampton Guildhall, St Luke's, Chelsea, St Mary Magdalene Paddington = and others. To change track, with the year coming to an end the thought crossed my = mind that it might be interesting for list members to post their outstanding moments from 2002 - or perhaps we should wait until after Christmas. John Foss www.johnfoss.gr       www.johnfoss.gr         _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail    
(back) Subject: Re: Acoustics etc From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:14:18 -0000   The 'straight' (?? - er - well, non-theatre) Compton in Derby Cathedral = can be heard on the BBC website - LaunchRadio Player - Radio 2 - The Organist Entertains - first track. A nice accoustic. Organ details on the NPOR = site.   An excellent and very typical Compton theatre is on the second track.   Bruce Miles   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>   Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: Acoustics etc > In fact, there is much to be learned from the work of John = Compton.....now that would be an interesting thread. > Regards, > Colin Mitchell UK    
(back) Subject: Re: Big Organ/Orchestra for MESSIAH From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 07:28:50 -0600   Dale: you gotta remember that's when Bethel Knoche was organist. She wasn't afraid of musical interpretation and usually never missed a note either. ah....those were the dayzzz.     Jon  
(back) Subject: Re: Big Organ/Orchestra for MESSIAH From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:47:38 -0500   There is a tale about Beecham: someone mentioned to him that Handel's own = orchestra and chorus were about equal in size.   So Sir Thomas went out and hired an orchestra of a thousand.   Don't remember about the organ part, but does anyone else remember the = Goosens orchestration a la Wagner that Beecham commissioned?   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Large scale Messiah. From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 10:08:54 -0500   Stan Yoder mentioned the Beecham/Goosens Messiah, I have that on a CD, = it's OK, but not my favourite. It is available on an EMI CD,   My preference is for the performance by Sir Andrew Davis, with the Toronto =   Mendelssohn Choir and the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, which is also available on an EMI CD set. Big and full of roundness, - just the way I like it!   However, my memories go back to the "Grand Old Days" at the Crystal Palace =   in London, in the 1930's where everything, including the kitchen sink was used. A choir of a 1000 voices, with an orchestra to match, - but I don't =   remember if there was an organ in it! There probably was, but the Crystal =   Palace was burned down some time before WW II.   Well, I was only twelve, or thereabouts, so you will have to forgive me! Over the years I have sung in varying sized performances, some with only one or two voices to each part, others with a choir of over 200 voices, - I like them all, but, as I say, the performance that I like = above all others, is the one by the Toronto Choir and Orchestra.   I have also sung in a performance in the Alexandra Palace in North London, =   where there was most certainly an organ part, - again one of the really = big performances of the Messiah. Fun to do, especially when you have to get back home from the heights of the location of "Alley Pally" in a real London peasouper fog!   However it comes, big or small, I like Messiah at any time, - not just at Christmas!   Have a good "sing",   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Handel's Hallelujah Chorus....sing along text. From: "MediaConstituents" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:29:22 -0800 (PST)   I am also interested in seeing it done. How would you display the contrapuntal sections?   Fortunately, there are several new hymnals that have it included in hymnal harmony (close-scoring). I have used the Word Hymnal for Worship and Celebration for several years, which includes the entire Hallelujah Chorus, as well as the complete orchestral parts (compatible with traditional Messiah orchestra).   People love to end our Christmas program with a congregational sing-along of the Hallelujah CHorus right out of the hymnbook. I conduct it with a lot of zest, more like a cheer leader than a musician, I'm afraid, but literally everyone takes an active part!   Paul     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Large scale Messiah. From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 09:30:39 -0600   Bob Conway wrote: > > Stan Yoder mentioned the Beecham/Goosens Messiah, I have that on a CD, = it's > OK, but not my favourite. It is available on an EMI CD, > > My preference is for the performance by Sir Andrew Davis, with the = Toronto > Mendelssohn Choir and the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, which is also > available on an EMI CD set. Big and full of roundness, - just the way I > like it! > > However, my memories go back to the "Grand Old Days" at the Crystal = Palace > in London, in the 1930's where everything, including the kitchen sink = was > used. A choir of a 1000 voices, with an orchestra to match, - but I = don't > remember if there was an organ in it! There probably was, but the = Crystal > Palace was burned down some time before WW II.   Some of the Crystal Palace performances in the 1920's used choirs of as many as 3,000 singers. The Crystal Palace caught fire and burnt down, apparently due to an electric fault while some early experiments in television were being carried on there, I think in 1937. At the time my late father was at college in London and got a grandstand view of the spectacular blaze. You wouldn't have thought a building made almost entirely of iron and glass would have gone up like that, but it sure did and was visible over twenty miles away.   The earliest large Handel performance, with a choir of 525 was held in Westminster Abbey in 1784. One of the organizers of this was a distant kinsman of mine, Sir Watkin Williams-Wynn, so of course I feel very warmly toward it. A special organ was set up for the occasion with the console detached fifty feel from the instrument. This represented quite a feat in those days with tracker action.   Probably the performance at the Auditorium in Independence is unique in using an organ with a 3/4-length 32' reed with straight reed tongues and curved shallot faces. Joseph S. Whiteford incorporated some very interesting experiments into that instrument! The curved shallots were used in a number of other Aeolian-Skinners of the early 1960's.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: Large scale Messiah. From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 10:56:57 -0500   At 09:30 AM 12/7/02 -0600, John Speller wrote:   >Some of the Crystal Palace performances in the 1920's used >choirs of as many as 3,000 singers. The Crystal Palace >caught fire and burnt down, apparently due to an electric >fault while some early experiments in television were being >carried on there, I think in 1937. At the time my late >father was at college in London and got a grandstand view of >the spectacular blaze. You wouldn't have thought a building >made almost entirely of iron and glass would have gone up >like that, but it sure did and was visible over twenty miles >away.   Thanks, John, for the date of the fire,- we also saw it from the vantage point of Primrose Hill in North-West London, - my parents were very much upset about it at the time. Now, do you know if there was an organ there?   Some time around that time, there was a disastrous fire at the HMV showrooms in London's Oxford Street, - although that might have been a = year or two later. We saw that fire from the upper story of the block of flats =   that we lived in. Again, a serious occasion for my father who was an avid =   collector of records!   However, the HMV showrooms arose Phoenix-like from the ashes, and the shop =   was even better than before. Alas, - HMV moved out of there only a few years ago, and is now housed in a shop, just like all the others, - no style or class there now!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Large scale Messiah. From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:20:23 -0500   Hello All, and Merry Christmas! A little bit of web surfing for "The Crystal Palace" brought me to the following site: http://www.victorianstation.com/palace.html   In the description, a reference is made to the "World's Largest Organ." I wonder what happened to it?   Stan Lowkis   Bob Conway wrote: > > Stan Yoder mentioned the Beecham/Goosens Messiah, I have that on a CD, = it's > OK, but not my favourite. It is available on an EMI CD, > > My preference is for the performance by Sir Andrew Davis, with the = Toronto > Mendelssohn Choir and the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, which is also > available on an EMI CD set. Big and full of roundness, - just the way I > like it! > > However, my memories go back to the "Grand Old Days" at the Crystal = Palace > in London, in the 1930's where everything, including the kitchen sink = was > used. A choir of a 1000 voices, with an orchestra to match, - but I = don't > remember if there was an organ in it! There probably was, but the = Crystal > Palace was burned down some time before WW II. > > Well, I was only twelve, or thereabouts, so you will have to forgive > me! Over the years I have sung in varying sized performances, some with > only one or two voices to each part, others with a choir of over 200 > voices, - I like them all, but, as I say, the performance that I like = above > all others, is the one by the Toronto Choir and Orchestra. > > I have also sung in a performance in the Alexandra Palace in North = London, > where there was most certainly an organ part, - again one of the really = big > performances of the Messiah. Fun to do, especially when you have to get > back home from the heights of the location of "Alley Pally" in a real > London peasouper fog! > > However it comes, big or small, I like Messiah at any time, - not just = at > Christmas!    
(back) Subject: Re: Steinmeyer From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:38:00 EST     --part1_18e.12bcdf89.2b237de8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Del:   I had other people than those you mentioned in mind. The ones you did mention did indeed do some strange things on occasion, but not consistantly. I refer to dillatantes not organ builders perse.   Ron   --part1_18e.12bcdf89.2b237de8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Dear Del:<BR> <BR> I had other people than those you mentioned in mind. The ones<BR> you did mention did indeed do some strange things on occasion,<BR> but not consistantly. I refer to dillatantes not organ builders perse.<BR> <BR> Ron</FONT></HTML>   --part1_18e.12bcdf89.2b237de8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Crystal Palace organ From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 09:12:17 -0800   From what I could discover, it was built by Willis, and contained 70 stops, but I wasn't able to find a stoplist ... the Willis archives are under construction ... whether it was the world's largest at the time is open to question (grin). Presumably it was destroyed by the fire in the 1930s.   Cheers,   Bud   Stanley Lowkis wrote: > > Hello All, and Merry Christmas! > A little bit of web surfing for "The Crystal Palace" brought me > to the following site: > http://www.victorianstation.com/palace.html > > In the description, a reference is made to the "World's Largest Organ." > I wonder what happened to it? > > Stan Lowkis > > Bob Conway wrote: > > > > Stan Yoder mentioned the Beecham/Goosens Messiah, I have that on a CD, = it's > > OK, but not my favourite. It is available on an EMI CD, > > > > My preference is for the performance by Sir Andrew Davis, with the = Toronto > > Mendelssohn Choir and the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, which is also > > available on an EMI CD set. Big and full of roundness, - just the way = I > > like it! > > > > However, my memories go back to the "Grand Old Days" at the Crystal = Palace > > in London, in the 1930's where everything, including the kitchen sink = was > > used. A choir of a 1000 voices, with an orchestra to match, - but I = don't > > remember if there was an organ in it! There probably was, but the = Crystal > > Palace was burned down some time before WW II. > > > > Well, I was only twelve, or thereabouts, so you will have to forgive > > me! Over the years I have sung in varying sized performances, some = with > > only one or two voices to each part, others with a choir of over 200 > > voices, - I like them all, but, as I say, the performance that I like = above > > all others, is the one by the Toronto Choir and Orchestra. > > > > I have also sung in a performance in the Alexandra Palace in North = London, > > where there was most certainly an organ part, - again one of the = really big > > performances of the Messiah. Fun to do, especially when you have to = get > > back home from the heights of the location of "Alley Pally" in a real > > London peasouper fog! > > > > However it comes, big or small, I like Messiah at any time, - not just = at > > Christmas! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Romantic notions From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:27:15 EST     --part1_75.3ec37b9.2b238973_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Colin:   I know about the warm sounds of the Dutch organs, and we didn't get that sound for the most part here, except lately from Fritts, Pasi, Bond etc. who all do a fine job. The dry accoustics are not very Baroque friendly, nor do equal temperments present them properly. What we did get for the most part until recently, were cold, stark, and unmusical attempts. The above along with Fisk, and Mander, especially Peachtree UM capture that warm sound we all desire and like. I think that should set the record straight. There were far too many bad organs during that 30 year period than there should have been even among electric, and EP builders. Everybody decided it had to sound nasty to be "Good". That's what I'm waving good by to. The bad and the totally ugly. Hopefully gone are the 25 rank wonders with four mixtures and a pricipal at 4' supported by a miserable 16' soft gedackt. This is what the dillataunts used to drool over. These were characatures of supposedly real organs. (My point) I'm also saying hello to the enlightenment of great new organs being produced now. I don't have anything against any organ actions, tracker or otherwise. My criteria is: The organ is balanced bass to treble, the stops are musical and work together for most music, and that tonal shading is possible, and all the stops are in the right place, and are not orphaned as to useability Krumhorn 8' against cornette de compose and not on the same manual. I really hate wasteful specifications and certain oddities introduced during those terrible 30 years. I think you will have to be in total agreement with me here.   Ron Severin   --part1_75.3ec37b9.2b238973_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Dear Colin:<BR> <BR> I know about the warm sounds of the Dutch organs, and we didn't get<BR> that sound for the most part here, except lately from Fritts, Pasi,<BR> Bond etc. who all do a fine job. The dry accoustics are not very<BR> Baroque friendly, nor do equal temperments present them properly.<BR> What we did get for the most part until recently, were cold, stark,<BR> and unmusical attempts. The above along with Fisk, and Mander,<BR> especially Peachtree UM capture that warm sound we all desire<BR> and like. I think that should set the record straight. There were far<BR> too many bad organs during that 30 year period than there should have <BR> been even among electric, and EP builders. Everybody decided it had<BR> to sound nasty to be "Good". That's what I'm waving good by to.<BR> The bad and the totally ugly. Hopefully gone are the 25 rank wonders<BR> with four mixtures and a pricipal at 4' supported by a miserable 16'<BR> soft gedackt. This is what the dillataunts used to drool over. These<BR> were characatures of supposedly real organs. (My point) I'm also<BR> saying hello to the enlightenment of great new organs being produced<BR> now. I don't have anything against any organ actions, tracker or<BR> otherwise. My criteria is: The organ is balanced bass to treble, the<BR> stops are musical and work together for most music, and that tonal<BR> shading is possible, and all the stops are in the right place, and are<BR> not orphaned as to useability Krumhorn 8' against cornette de compose<BR> and not on the same manual. I really hate wasteful specifications and<BR> certain oddities introduced during those terrible 30 years. I think<BR> you will have to be in total agreement with me here.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_75.3ec37b9.2b238973_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Awestruck in Atlanta - Peachtree Road U.M.C. From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:33:22 EST     --part1_12c.1cfff641.2b238ae2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Colin:   Speak for yourself, As I haven't heard it yet! I particularly like the specification which I have seen.   Ron   --part1_12c.1cfff641.2b238ae2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Colin:<BR> <BR> Speak for yourself, As I haven't heard it yet!<BR> I particularly like the specification which I have seen.<BR> <BR> Ron</FONT></HTML>   --part1_12c.1cfff641.2b238ae2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Messiah CDs From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:48:44 -0500   On re-reading the recent correspondence regarding the Messiah on CD, I looked out my own CD versions.   The Beecham recording is on three RCA CDs, - the third one is an Appendix, =   - it consists of eight numbers that are generally left out in performance. RCA Gold Seal CDs Nos. 09026-61266-2   The tenor soloist is Jon Vickers, and in "Opera Anecdotes" by Ethan = Mordden it has the following entry; "Jon Vickers met Beecham for the first time as they bumped into each = other in a doorway just before the start of rehearsals for a recording of Messiah. It was a touchy moment,for the young, and as yet un-heralded Vickers was apprehensive about his ability to agree with Beecham on the matter of style. The two traded compliments, and Beecham joked about this and that, but Vickers felt he must have it out with the maestro here and now. "First of =   all, Sir Thomas," Vickers began, "I am not an English tenor". And Sir Thomas roared "Thank GOD!"   The Toronto Messiah, under Sir Andrew Davis that I mentioned is on two = CDs; EMI CDCB 49027.   Both are big performances, none of your authentic stuff here!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: RE: Crystal Palace organ From: "Barry H Bodie" <bbodie@InfoAve.Net> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:54:46 -0500   Wasn't the Willis Exhibition organ moved to Winchester Cathedral?   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of quilisma@socal.rr.com Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 12:12 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Crystal Palace organ   From what I could discover, it was built by Willis, and contained 70 stops, but I wasn't able to find a stoplist ... the Willis archives are under construction ... whether it was the world's largest at the time is open to question (grin). Presumably it was destroyed by the fire in the 1930s.   Cheers,   Bud   Stanley Lowkis wrote: > > Hello All, and Merry Christmas! > A little bit of web surfing for "The Crystal Palace" brought me > to the following site: > http://www.victorianstation.com/palace.html > > In the description, a reference is made to the "World's Largest Organ." > I wonder what happened to it? > > Stan Lowkis > > Bob Conway wrote: > > > > Stan Yoder mentioned the Beecham/Goosens Messiah, I have that on a CD, it's > > OK, but not my favourite. It is available on an EMI CD, > > > > My preference is for the performance by Sir Andrew Davis, with the Toronto > > Mendelssohn Choir and the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, which is also > > available on an EMI CD set. Big and full of roundness, - just the way I > > like it! > > > > However, my memories go back to the "Grand Old Days" at the Crystal Palace > > in London, in the 1930's where everything, including the kitchen sink was > > used. A choir of a 1000 voices, with an orchestra to match, - but I don't > > remember if there was an organ in it! There probably was, but the Crystal > > Palace was burned down some time before WW II. > > > > Well, I was only twelve, or thereabouts, so you will have to forgive > > me! Over the years I have sung in varying sized performances, some with > > only one or two voices to each part, others with a choir of over 200 > > voices, - I like them all, but, as I say, the performance that I like above > > all others, is the one by the Toronto Choir and Orchestra. > > > > I have also sung in a performance in the Alexandra Palace in North London, > > where there was most certainly an organ part, - again one of the really big > > performances of the Messiah. Fun to do, especially when you have to get > > back home from the heights of the location of "Alley Pally" in a real > > London peasouper fog! > > > > However it comes, big or small, I like Messiah at any time, - not just at > > Christmas! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: RE: Crystal Palace organ From: "R.E. Malone" <remalone@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:08:10 -0000       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of quilisma@socal.rr.com Sent: 07 December 2002 17:12 To: PipeChat Subject: Crystal Palace organ   >From what I could discover, it was built by Willis, and contained 70 stops, but I wasn't able to find a stoplist ... the Willis archives are under construction ... whether it was the world's largest at the time is open to question (grin). Presumably it was destroyed by the fire in the 1930s.   Cheers,   There were several Organs exhibited. The Willis instrument was revolutionary at that time, As a result of Henry Willis1 insistence that it was tuned early every morning Liverpool decided he would build the St. Georges Hall Organ.   When the exhibition closed the Organ was removed and sold to Winchester Cathedral in a slightly smaller form.   Also present by Royal Invitation was a two manual Schultze, this was also a very successful organ resulting in many orders particularly up here in the north. It also had a radiating pedal board which was seen by Willis and Best. They improved it and claimed it as there own. This Organ was sold to a "Tea Room". Unfortunately no record exists of its demise.   Regards, Richard (UK).