PipeChat Digest #3288 - Sunday, December 8, 2002
 
Re: Winchester Cathedral
  by "John Mackey" <johnmackey@mindspring.com>
Re: Winchester Cathedral
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Winchester Cathedral
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
RE: Misconception Questionnaire
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Winchester Cathedral
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Winchester Cathedral
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Available Theatre Organ in N.C.
  by "Bob and Jane Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net>
Re: Misconception Questionnaire
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Winchester Cathedral
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Misconception Questionnaire
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Winchester Cathedral From: "John Mackey" <johnmackey@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 07:02:47 -0500       Gfc234@aol.com wrote: > > John, > What you say is possible... > but... > Anyway-who knows- > good evening, > gfc   You're right too... I certainty wasn't around in 980 although sometimes I feel old enough to have been! BTW, the T&B organ at Holy Cross may be played with electric blower or people power. there are two sets of treads (for up to two people) along with it's own music rack so that the blowers may follow the music and know when more wind is needed. speaking of wind, I was surprised to see how much organ could be drawn with only one person blowing (probably not full organ though) or, at least not for long.   John Mackey   PS E. Power Biggs speculates on one of his album cover notes that probably 7 and not 70 men might have used to blow the organ at Winchester.  
(back) Subject: Re: Winchester Cathedral From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:04:33 -0500   On 12/8/02 7:02 AM, "John Mackey" <johnmackey@mindspring.com> wrote:   > E. Power Biggs speculates on one of his album cover notes that > probably 7 and not 70 men might have used to blow the organ at > Winchester.   Another remote possibility: Write the numeral "10" in a fanciful antique European fashion, and see if it does not look an awful lot like "70." But that seems too simplistic an answer.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Winchester Cathedral From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:12:28 -0600   Alan Freed wrote: > > On 12/8/02 7:02 AM, "John Mackey" <johnmackey@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > E. Power Biggs speculates on one of his album cover notes that > > probably 7 and not 70 men might have used to blow the organ at > > Winchester. > > Another remote possibility: Write the numeral "10" in a fanciful = antique > European fashion, and see if it does not look an awful lot like "70." = But > that seems too simplistic an answer.   Arabic numerals did not come into use in England until around the thirteenth century, but in Wulstan's account it is in fact written out in full --   .... quos agitant validi septuaginta viri ...   The whole passage reads: "You made these organs larger, so that such are seen nowhere else, built on two levels. There are twelve bellows on the upper level, fixed together in order, and fourteen on the lower level. Their alternating breaths produce a great deal of wind, which seventy strong men produce, moving their arms and sweating profusely, each encouraging their companions to pump with all their strength, causing the massive chest to roar, which by itself holds four hundred musas (muses, tone generators, pipes?) in order, which the hand skillful at playing the organ controls. It opens the closed valves and opens the closed ones in turn, as the musical composition requires, and two brothers sit in harmony, each guiding his own alphabet, and there are hidden holes in forty tongues (levers? sliders?), and each holds ten in its proper order. Here some tongues run, and others run back, keeping the proper holes for the right notes. They strike up the seven joyful tones, mixed with the lyric half-tones. The iron voice beats upon the ears like thunder, so that they can hear nothing else. The sound is so loud, echoing around the building, that a man may cover his ears and can hardly abide to approach as the various sounds ring out. The melody of the muses (?pipes) is heard all over the city, and the fame of it spreads through the whole land."   It is not entirely clear from this account whether there are stops or whether this instrument is a blockwerk. There does not at this period seem to have been a balanced keyboard, as in modern instruments and in the old Roman water organs, but rather all the pipes seem to have been operated by levers drawing sliders as in a tracker stop action. One suggestion has been that the organ was built as a matrix in which the two organists sat at right angles to each other, one controlling the sliders for the notes, and the other the sliders for the stops. Otherwise it is unclear why two organists would have been required. The "forty tongues or levers each holding ten in its proper order" might refer to forty notes and ten stops. Or then again it all might mean something else <g>   John Speller   John Speller  
(back) Subject: RE: Misconception Questionnaire From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:43:43 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C29EA6.B46A72B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Instead of so many yes/no and perhaps leading questions, why don't you come up with two or three multiple choice ones out of your original questions? Such as:     I think organ music is:   (a) exciting;   (b) boring;   (c) some of both;   (d) other ________________.     I think the organ:   (a) would be an interesting instrument to learn to play;   (b) is too hard for most people to play;   (c) is too complex for me to understand;   (d) other _________________.     Or words to that effect. Or this:     True False The organ is a sad sounding instrument.   True False The pipe organ has many sounds.   Etc.     Chances are if they are attending, they have some interest in the organ, or like you, or had nothing better to do. People are leery of tests, so make it short.     Thanks for the Palm Presbyterian specs.     Glenda Sutton   gksjd85@direcway.com               ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C29EA6.B46A72B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html>   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">   <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Footlight MT Light"; panose-1:2 4 6 2 6 3 10 2 3 4;} @font-face {font-family:"Colonna MT"; panose-1:4 2 8 5 6 2 2 3 2 3;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.MsoEnvelopeReturn, li.MsoEnvelopeReturn, div.MsoEnvelopeReturn {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Footlight MT Light";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; 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Or =3D this:</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>True&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D False&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The organ is a sad sounding instrument.</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>True&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D False&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The pipe organ has many sounds.</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Etc.</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Chances are if they are attending, = =3D they have some interest in the organ, or like you, or had nothing better to =3D do.&nbsp; 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(back) Subject: Winchester Cathedral From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:37:09 -0600   I was not in the area in the 900s, having been consigned to the body of a rodent in what is now known as Utah, but I remember a pop song in the 1960s about Winchester Cathedral. All I remember is a vague tune with a yodel motif at the end, and the words "Winchester Cathedral, you're bringing me down; . . . my baby left town."   I have been told on good authority that the organ was the source of the problems. It seems that the narrator and his girl were to be married at the cathedral. He wanted organ music, and she did not, because the organ had no stops and her family could not afford to hire the 70 bellows pumpers. Therefore, she left, marrying a barber in a nearby borough with no organ.   They took her dowry and moved to Seville. Their plans were to start an opera club, but they were informed by the city officials that they were a few centuries too early. However, he became a renowned surgeon and she a seamstress and flamenco dancer, and lived contentedly until they died, at which time their lives were over.   Can anyone confirm this story? Is that indeed the subject matter of the song in question?   Of course, no one took a picture of the church or the organ back then, and the Norman cathedral was not begun there until around 1079, after the Normans did their thing (inasmuch as it was too hard to build a Norman cathedral before the Normans did their thing).   What is the organ sound like now?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Winchester Cathedral From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 13:33:09 -0500   on 12/8/02 12:37 PM, Glenda at gksjd85@direcway.com wrote:   > All I remember is a vague tune with a > yodel motif at the end, and the words "Winchester Cathedral, you're > bringing me down; . . . my baby left town." > Found these lyrics on the web:   Winchester Cathedral You're bringing me down You stood and you watched as My baby left town=20 You could have done something But you didn't try=20 You didn't do nothing You let her walk by =A0 Now everyone knows just how much I needed that gal She wouldn't have gone far away If only you'd started ringing your bell Winchester Cathedral You're bringing me down You stood and you watched as My baby left town=20 =A0 Oh-bo-de-o-do oh-bo-de-o-do Oh-bo-de-o-do de-do- duh     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Available Theatre Organ in N.C. From: "Bob and Jane Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:08:57 -0500   List members, About that Hammond-1000 theatre organ available 1 mile off I-95 in North Carolina: Asking price for a church organist, or any individual = or group needing an instrument for a church: FREE. Asking price for an individual, just looking for a practice instrument: $500.00. Jane Hanudel ........hanudel@schoollink.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Misconception Questionnaire From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:13:39 EST     --part1_12a.1cd0fdce.2b24f3e3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   Vicki,=3D20 Thanks for your suggestion. They were phrased like that because=3D20 misconceptions are usually/hopfully negative.   I could alter the questions to read:   So far I have come up with the following questions: > 1) Do you think the pipe organ is a =3DE2=3D80=3D9Csad=3DE2=3D80=3D9D = or "happy" soun=3D ding   > instrument? > 2) Do you think the pipe organ has many sounds? > 3) Do you think organ music is dull or colorful? > 4) Do you think the pipe organ is a very difficult > instrument or easy to play? > 5) Do you think the pipe organ is a fun instrument to > play? 6) Do you think a pipe organ needs more than one keyboard? (has = been=3D20 added)   The questions will be asked before and after the program. Hopefully = this=3D20 will reveal that some misconceptions have been rectified.   Thanks for your suggestion.     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres=3D20 http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 check out <A = HREF=3D3D"http://www.=3D visionsuccess.com/BC2053">Vision Success </A>       --part1_12a.1cd0fdce.2b24f3e3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Vicki,=3D20 <BR>Thanks for your suggestion. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They were phrased like = tha=3D t because misconceptions are usually/hopfully negative. <BR> <BR>I could alter the questions to read: <BR> <BR>So far I have come up with the following questions: <BR>&gt; 1) &nbsp;Do you think the pipe organ is a = =3DE2=3D80=3D9Csad=3DE2=3D80=3D9D or=3D20=3D "happy" sounding<BR>&gt; instrument? <BR>&gt; 2) &nbsp;Do you think the pipe organ has many sounds? <BR>&gt; 3) &nbsp;Do you think organ music is dull or colorful? <BR>&gt; 4) &nbsp;Do you think the pipe organ is a very difficult <BR>&gt; instrument or easy to play? <BR>&gt; 5) &nbsp;Do you think the pipe organ is a fun instrument to <BR>&gt; play? <BR>6) &nbsp;&nbsp;Do you think a pipe organ needs more than one keyboard? = &=3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(has been added) <BR> <BR>The questions will be asked before and after the program. = &nbsp;Hopefull=3D y this will reveal that some misconceptions have been rectified. <BR> <BR>Thanks for your suggestion. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D check out &nbsp;&nbsp;<A = HREF=3D3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">Vision=3D Success </A> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_12a.1cd0fdce.2b24f3e3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Winchester Cathedral From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:25:36 EST     --part1_7d.31ea094e.2b24f6b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ---They took her dowry and moved to Seville. Their plans were to start an opera club, but they were informed by the city officials that they were a few centuries too early.=3DA0 However, he became a renowned surgeon and she a seamstress and flamenco dancer, and lived contentedly until they died, at which time their lives were over.=3DA0=3D20   In Italian baroque opera, there are many roles for "castradi", which=3D20 literally means castrated-for the purpose of retaining a high voice. = The=3D20 castrations took place in the back rooms of Italian barber shops. It = is=3D20 possible that the barber became a surgeon.       --part1_7d.31ea094e.2b24f6b0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>---They took her = dowry an=3D d moved to Seville. Their plans were to start an <BR>opera club, but they were informed by the city officials that they = were <BR>a few centuries too early.=3DA0 However, he became a renowned surgeon = and <BR>she a seamstress and flamenco dancer, and lived contentedly until they <BR>died, at which time their lives were over.=3DA0=3D20 <BR> <BR>In Italian baroque opera, there are many roles for "castradi", which = lit=3D erally means castrated-for the purpose of retaining a high voice. = &nbsp;The=3D20=3D castrations took place in the back rooms of Italian barber shops. &nbsp;It = i=3D s possible that the barber became a surgeon. <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_7d.31ea094e.2b24f6b0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Misconception Questionnaire From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:32:11 EST     --part1_114.1bbec5ac.2b24f83b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bruce and Others,   I like the idea of some type of questionnaire. It would be nice to = include some general questions about styles of music, in general.   Sorry, I don't have any suggestions about the questions, but I'd like to = make a couple general suggestions about the recital. I'm offering these as = coming from somebody who wants to listen to a recital, not from somebody planning = to "give" a recital.   1. On one hand, I'd recommend starting with the Bach's T&F in Dm, since = so many people are familiar with it, then toning down. But....... I really = like your idea of starting out with softer, more basic registrations, and gradually bring in more and varied stops throughout the course of the recital.   2. Don't do too much talking/teaching (that would definitely be my problam!). IOW, your church has a nice pipe organ, so, at some point in time, somebody knew what they were doing. But, if there are a lot of = people who aren't that familiar with what all a pipe organ can do, don't try to = put it all in a crash course in one evening.   3. Play pieces that you think many people might even listen to if they = were given a CD of it. Don't play the dissonant, loud, or weirdly = contemplative pieces that only organ majors want to listen to. I won't mention any = certain composers, because I don't want to get one of those arguments started.   4. Since it is in church, why not play something like Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring, or Wauchet auf. You might play the actual hymn, itself first, = then Bach's arrangement. As I understand it, the Chorale Preludes are embellishments of the hymns of the day. Somewhere within all the moving around of the hands and feet, is a hymn. I think people hear these pieces = at weddings and don't realize that they are fancy versions of old hymns. = Lest we always feel unappreciated, I was told that Bach himself came under some =   criticizm for his preludes being much too showy or embellished. Churches today aren't the only ones who have musicians who like to show off.   5. Related to #3, I would like to hear music that pleases my ears, I'd rather not have to listen to music (at least at an "into to the pipe = organ" recital) that is designed to make me think, to question my motives, etc. = I'm talking about music that's supposed to present political views. That's probably more of an issue in the visual or acting performing arts as = opposed to the playing of music.   I just remember a recital our organist had after some work had been done = on the pipe organ where I grew up (back in around 1970 when the romantic = organ was trying to become a baroque one). Our organist introduced a particular =   piece. Expressed in this piece musically were forces of good and evil battling back and forth. I remember dad commenting on the way home that = he wasn't sure who had actually won after the piece.   6. If there's a way to some Christian, but non-liturgical, music, that = might be nice. Our church has a couple books of fancy organ arrangements of Gaither pieces. They're not CCM, they're traditional gospel favorites arranged for organ. Something like "Let's Just Praise The Lord", "Because = He Lives".   That might provide some kind of bridge to the thought that the pipe organ = can be used in more contemporary settings. I think people may think of the = pipe organ in either of two ways. On one end of the spectrum, it's the = serious, often loud, thunderous instrument of very formal and cold churches. On = the other end, when it's not serious, it the playful "vulgar" instrument of = the theatre. Unfortunately, they forget about the large "middle" area.   I'd love to hear the recital. It's only 6 hours away, though.   I still like the little ditty somebody quoted on this site. You might include it on your printed program somewhere:   "When the organ plays, it reveals God's majestey; when it stops, it = reveals His mercy".   Sometimes, there's some truth to that.   Good luck, Keith Zimmerman   --part1_114.1bbec5ac.2b24f83b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Bruce and Others,<BR> <BR> I like the idea of some type of questionnaire.&nbsp; It would be nice to = include some general questions about styles of music, in general.<BR> <BR> Sorry, I don't have any suggestions about the questions, but I'd like to = make a couple general suggestions about the recital.&nbsp; I'm offering = these as coming from somebody who wants to listen to a recital, not from = somebody planning to "give" a recital.<BR> <BR> 1.&nbsp; On one hand, I'd recommend starting with the Bach's T&amp;F in = Dm, since so many people are familiar with it, then toning down.&nbsp; = But....... I really like your idea of starting out with softer, more basic = registrations, and gradually bring in more and varied stops throughout the = course of the recital.<BR> <BR> 2.&nbsp; Don't do too much talking/teaching (that would definitely be my = problam!).&nbsp; IOW, your church has a nice pipe organ, so, at some point = in time, somebody knew what they were doing.&nbsp; But, if there are a lot = of people who aren't that familiar with what all a pipe organ can do, = don't try to put it all in a crash course in one evening.<BR> <BR> 3.&nbsp; Play pieces that you think many people might even listen to if = they were given a CD of it.&nbsp; Don't play the dissonant, loud, or = weirdly contemplative pieces that only organ majors want to listen = to.&nbsp; I won't mention any certain composers, because I don't want to = get one of those arguments started.<BR> <BR> 4.&nbsp; Since it is in church, why not play something like Jesu, Joy of = Man's Desiring, or Wauchet auf.&nbsp; You might play the actual hymn, = itself first, then Bach's arrangement.&nbsp; As I understand it, the = Chorale Preludes are embellishments of the hymns of the day.&nbsp; = Somewhere within all the moving around of the hands and feet, is a = hymn.&nbsp; I think people hear these pieces at weddings and don't realize = that they are fancy versions of old hymns.&nbsp; Lest we always feel = unappreciated, I was told that Bach himself came under some criticizm for = his preludes being much too showy or embellished.&nbsp; Churches today = aren't the only ones who have musicians who like to show off.<BR> <BR> 5.&nbsp; Related to #3, I would like to hear music that pleases my ears, = I'd rather not have to listen to music (at least at an "into to the pipe = organ" recital) that is designed to make me think, to question my motives, = etc.&nbsp; I'm talking about music that's supposed to present political = views.&nbsp; That's probably more of an issue in the visual or acting = performing arts as opposed to the playing of music.<BR> <BR> I just remember a recital our organist had after some work had been done = on the pipe organ where I grew up (back in around 1970 when the romantic = organ was trying to become a baroque one).&nbsp; Our organist introduced a = particular piece.&nbsp; Expressed in this piece musically were forces of = good and evil battling back and forth.&nbsp; I remember dad commenting on = the way home that he wasn't sure who had actually won after the piece.<BR> <BR> 6.&nbsp; If there's a way to some Christian, but non-liturgical, music, = that might be nice.&nbsp; Our church has a couple books of fancy organ = arrangements of Gaither pieces.&nbsp; They're not CCM, they're traditional = gospel favorites arranged for organ. Something like "Let's Just Praise The = Lord", "Because He Lives".<BR> <BR> That might provide some kind of bridge to the thought that the pipe organ = can be used in more contemporary settings.&nbsp; I think people may think = of the pipe organ in either of two ways.&nbsp; On one end of the spectrum, = it's the serious, often loud, thunderous instrument of very formal and = cold churches.&nbsp; On the other end, when it's not serious, it the = playful "vulgar" instrument of the theatre.&nbsp; Unfortunately, they forget about the large "middle" area.<BR> <BR> I'd love to hear the recital.&nbsp; It's only 6 hours away, though.<BR> <BR> I still like the little ditty somebody quoted on this site.&nbsp; You = might include it on your printed program somewhere:<BR> <BR> "When the organ plays, it reveals God's majestey; when it stops, it = reveals His mercy".<BR> <BR> Sometimes, there's some truth to that.<BR> <BR> Good luck,<BR> Keith Zimmerman</FONT></HTML>   --part1_114.1bbec5ac.2b24f83b_boundary--