PipeChat Digest #3293 - Thursday, December 12, 2002
 
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  by "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
RE:
  by "David Smit" <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com>
Passau/Steinmeyer
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Passau/Steinmeyer
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Passau/Steinmeyer
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: Passau/Steinmeyer
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
The Passau/Steinmeyer Ballpark
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: The Passau/Steinmeyer Ballpark
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Passau/Steinmeyer
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: The Passau/Steinmeyer Ballpark
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: The Passau/Steinmeyer Ballpark
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: From: "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:52:41 -0200   Hi, list.   I have the Werckmeister's book, "On testing and examining new organs", (is a English translation). I don't know if someone can help me, but in my book, in chapter fourteen, (page 27), seems to be incomplete. The last sentence doesn't have final point, and it finishes like this: "I shall not discuss scaling, as I have already been accused of merely abetting the bunglers in this litle book. I have already answered these charges, though, by stating that all organ builders who" In the next page, begins the next chapter.     Have somebody this book, or know you somebody who have this book that can verify this?   Regards, Domitila       --- UOL, o melhor da Internet http://www.uol.com.br/    
(back) Subject: RE: From: "David Smit" <DavidS@astrolabegroup.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:06:46 +0200   I have a copy of it, but I can only give you a reply on Friday. Will do though...   D   -----Original Message----- From: dballesteros [mailto:dballesteros@uol.com.br] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:53 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject:     Hi, list.   I have the Werckmeister's book, "On testing and examining new organs", (is a English translation). I don't know if someone can help me, but in my book, in chapter fourteen, (page 27), seems to be incomplete. The last sentence doesn't have final point, and it finishes like this: "I shall not discuss scaling, as I have already been accused of merely abetting the bunglers in this litle book. I have already answered these charges, though, by stating that all organ builders who" In the next page, begins the next chapter.     Have somebody this book, or know you somebody who have this book that can verify this?   Regards, Domitila       --- UOL, o melhor da Internet http://www.uol.com.br/     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Passau/Steinmeyer From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:31:52 +0000 (GMT)   --0-888522374-1039627912=3D:53272 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit     Hello,   I was listening to a recording of Passau earlier to-day and, at the same = time, perusing the enormous specification of this remarkable instrument.   Something leapt off the page of the specification......the names of the = consultants involved in the original design, who included A.Piecheler, = P.Griesbacher, A.Schmid and, most significantly "the maker of Organists" = himself, Prof Karl Straube (Leipzing) and Dr.C Marenholz.   The influence of the early "Organ Reformists" is very evident; especially = in the seperate Chororgel, with its very Baroque stop-list.   Very few people dislike this instrument; the word "rich" used recently on = this list to describe the tone. Someone else (I cannot recall whom) = suggested that the Steinmeyer sound was "right in the ballpark".....which = took a little time for me to interpret!   I recall that, many moons ago, I wrote something about the Schulze = influence on T C Lewis in the UK, (and the influence this had on G = Donald Harrison)........one of the most positive examples of = cross-fertilisation of ideas and tonal concepts.   I went on to suggest that the T C Lewis style of instrument is very much = the sort of organ we should now be looking towards, because the = instruments are bright, low pressure affairs, but with a leisurely = intonation which somehow, never seems to offend the ear in even the least = generous acoustic. (Once again, I would make a distinction between "lack = of reverberation" and "high absorbency"....two very different effects).   If T C Lewis had a fault, it was in the over-use of the fashionable = Libelich Gedacts which Schulze made popular....whole families of the = critters!   Maybe, with the benefit of "organ reform" knowledge, the examples of = Lewis, G Donald Harrison and Steinmeyer, there is scope for an eclectic = sound which could fulfill most, if not all, of the requirements of an = organ in the 21st century.   Now that I understand the term, I would agree that, "this is in the = ballpark" ....."spot on"....."A-OK" ......"Beaut!" (Choose your own = expletive!)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK           --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits = your needs   --0-888522374-1039627912=3D:53272 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit   <P>Hello,</P> <P>I was listening to a recording of Passau earlier to-day and, at the = same time, perusing the enormous specification of this remarkable = instrument.</P> <P>Something leapt off the page of the specification......the names of the = consultants involved in the original design, who included A.Piecheler, = P.Griesbacher, A.Schmid and, most significantly "the maker of Organists" = himself, Prof Karl Straube (Leipzing) and Dr.C Marenholz.</P> <P>The influence of the early "Organ Reformists" is very evident; = especially in the seperate Chororgel, with its very Baroque stop-list.</P> <P>Very few people dislike this instrument; the word "rich" used recently = on this list to describe the tone. Someone else (I cannot recall whom) = suggested that the Steinmeyer sound was "right in the ballpark".....which = took a little time for me to interpret!</P> <P>I recall that, many moons ago, I wrote something about the Schulze = influence on&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; T C Lewis in the UK, (and the = influence this had on G Donald Harrison)........one of the most positive = examples of cross-fertilisation of ideas and tonal concepts.</P> <P>I went on to suggest that the T C Lewis&nbsp;style of = instrument&nbsp;is very much the sort of organ we should now be looking = towards, because the instruments are bright, low pressure affairs, but = with a leisurely intonation which somehow, never seems to offend the ear = in even the least generous acoustic. (Once again, I would make a = distinction between "lack of reverberation" and "high absorbency"....two = very different effects).</P> <P>If T C Lewis had a fault, it was in the over-use of the fashionable = Libelich Gedacts which Schulze made popular....whole families of the = critters!</P> <P>Maybe, with the benefit of "organ reform" knowledge, the examples of = Lewis, G Donald Harrison and Steinmeyer, there is scope for an eclectic = sound which could fulfill most, if not all, of the requirements of an = organ in the 21st century.</P> <P>Now that I understand the term, I would agree that, "this is in the = ballpark" ....."spot on"....."A-OK" ......"Beaut!" (Choose your own = expletive!)</P> <P>Regards,</P> <P>Colin Mitchell UK</P> <P>&nbsp;</P><p><p><br><hr size=3D1><a = href=3D"http://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_xtra/?http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mai= l_storage.html"><b><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">With Yahoo! Mail you = can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your = needs</font></b></a><br> --0-888522374-1039627912=3D:53272--  
(back) Subject: Re: Passau/Steinmeyer From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:36:55 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3122462215_1566428 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 12/11/02 12:31 PM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > Now that I understand the term, I would agree that, "this is in the = ballp=3D ark" > ....."spot on"....."A-OK" ......"Beaut!" (Choose your own expletive!) >=3D20 Colin: I don=3DB9t get much conversation with Brits, though I had dinner = with two of them last evening, so I=3DB9m thinking I must now be an expert. I = think you=3DB9re not quite on target with it yet. I invite corrections from = other Yanks, but I submit that =3DB3in the ballpark=3DB2 means not = =3DB3spot-on,=3DB2 but =3DB3approximately right.=3DB2 A ballpark occupying some acres (square = furlongs?) it neither connotes nor denotes precision, but, deliberately, =3DB3approximation.=3DB2 =3D20   No?   Alan     --B_3122462215_1566428 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Passau/Steinmeyer</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 12/11/02 12:31 PM, &quot;Colin = Mitchell&quo=3D t; &lt;cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">Now that I understand = the t=3D erm, I would agree that, &quot;this is in the ballpark&quot; = .....&quot;spot=3D on&quot;.....&quot;A-OK&quot; ......&quot;Beaut!&quot; (Choose your own = exp=3D letive!)<BR> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">Colin: &nbsp;I = don&#8217;t=3D get much conversation with Brits, though I had dinner with two of them = last=3D evening, so I&#8217;m thinking I must now be an expert. &nbsp;I think = you&#=3D 8217;re not quite on target with it yet. &nbsp;I invite corrections from = oth=3D er Yanks, but I submit that &#8220;in the ballpark&#8221; means not = &#8220;s=3D pot-on,&#8221; but &#8220;approximately right.&#8221; &nbsp;A ballpark = occup=3D ying some acres (square furlongs?) it neither connotes nor denotes = precision=3D , but, deliberately, &#8220;approximation.&#8221; &nbsp;<BR> <BR> No?<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3122462215_1566428--    
(back) Subject: Re: Passau/Steinmeyer From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:52:45 -0600   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --Boundary_(ID_aGhggGZMHdjnDtVT39FsWw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 12/11/02 1:36 PM, Alan Freed wrote:   > Colin: I don=3DB9t get much conversation with Brits, though I had = dinner wit=3D h two > of them last evening, so I=3DB9m thinking I must now be an expert. I = think y=3D ou=3DB9re > not quite on target with it yet. I invite corrections from other Yanks, = =3D but I > submit that =3DB3in the ballpark=3DB2 means not =3DB3spot-on,=3DB2 but = =3DB3approximately rig=3D ht.=3DB2 > A ballpark occupying some acres (square furlongs?) it neither connotes = no=3D r > denotes precision, but, deliberately, =3DB3approximation.=3DB2 >=3D20 > No?   Absolutely right. Or, as one of my co-workers in Amsterdam translated some years ago, =3DB3quite inside the stadium=3DB2.   TTFN, Russ Greene   --Boundary_(ID_aGhggGZMHdjnDtVT39FsWw) Content-type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Passau/Steinmeyer</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">On 12/11/02 1:36 PM, Alan Freed wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Colin: &nbsp;I = don&#8217;t get much conversation with Brits, though I had dinner with two = of them last evening, so I&#8217;m thinking I must now be an expert. = &nbsp;I think you&#8217;re not quite on target with it yet. &nbsp;I invite = corrections from other Yanks, but I submit that &#8220;in the = ballpark&#8221; means not &#8220;spot-on,&#8221; but &#8220;approximately = right.&#8221; &nbsp;A ballpark occupying some acres (square furlongs?) it = neither connotes nor denotes precision, but, deliberately, = &#8220;approximation.&#8221; &nbsp;<BR> <BR> No?<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Absolutely right. Or, as one of my co-workers in Amsterdam translated some = years ago, &#8220;quite inside the stadium&#8221;.<BR> <BR> TTFN,<BR> Russ Greene</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --Boundary_(ID_aGhggGZMHdjnDtVT39FsWw)--  
(back) Subject: Re: Passau/Steinmeyer From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:02:17 EST     --part1_1bf.175531cb.2b28f3c9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Alan:   In the Ballpark the way I used the term means that the most important elements are present in the instrument, and gives tacit agreement for a successful organ. If I say they missed the train, the opportunity is gone for success. It failed the test. Your analysis of the term is spot on.   Ron Severin   --part1_1bf.175531cb.2b28f3c9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Dear Alan:<BR> <BR> In the Ballpark the way I used the term means that the most<BR> important elements are present in the instrument, and <BR> gives tacit agreement for a successful organ. If I say <BR> they missed the train, the opportunity is gone for success.<BR> It failed the test. Your analysis of the term is spot on.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1bf.175531cb.2b28f3c9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: The Passau/Steinmeyer Ballpark From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:11:18 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0201_01C2A149.157E2BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Perhaps further clarification comes from the very common expression we =3D have all used. We get it as Organ builders, and my garage mechanic gets = =3D it from me: "Can you give me a ballpark figure of what this will cost?" = =3D Just an approximation.   Cheers from right field,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com=3D20     ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: RonSeverin@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Passau/Steinmeyer     Dear Alan:   In the Ballpark the way I used the term means that the most important elements are present in the instrument, and=3D20 gives tacit agreement for a successful organ. If I say=3D20 they missed the train, the opportunity is gone for success. It failed the test. Your analysis of the term is spot on.   Ron Severin ------=3D_NextPart_000_0201_01C2A149.157E2BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Perhaps further clarification comes = =3D from the=3D20 very&nbsp;common expression we have all used. We get it as Organ =3D builders, and=3D20 my garage mechanic gets it from me: "Can you give me a ballpark figure =3D of what=3D20 this will cost?" Just an approximation.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers from right field,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Malcolm Wechsler</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.mander-organs.com">www.mander-organs.com</A> =3D </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DRonSeverin@aol.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com">RonSeverin@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 11, = =3D 2002 3:02=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =3D Passau/Steinmeyer</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Dear Alan:<BR><BR>In the Ballpark the way I used = =3D the term=3D20 means that the most<BR>important elements are present in the =3D instrument, and=3D20 <BR>gives tacit agreement for a successful organ. If I say <BR>they =3D missed the=3D20 train, the opportunity is gone for success.<BR>It failed the test. =3D Your=3D20 analysis of the term is spot on.<BR><BR>Ron Severin</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0201_01C2A149.157E2BB0--      
(back) Subject: Re: The Passau/Steinmeyer Ballpark From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:55:32 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3122481332_2691946 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   On 12/11/02 7:11 PM, "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote:   > "Can you give me a ballpark figure of what this will cost?" Just an > approximation.   Exactly.   Uh, well, close enough.   Alan   --B_3122481332_2691946 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: The Passau/Steinmeyer Ballpark</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 12/11/02 7:11 PM, &quot;Malcolm = Wechsler&qu=3D ot; &lt;manderusa@earthlink.net&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial"> &quot;Can = you give me=3D a ballpark figure of what this will cost?&quot; Just an = approximation.<BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Exactly.<BR> <BR> Uh, well, close enough.<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3122481332_2691946--    
(back) Subject: Re: Passau/Steinmeyer From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:21:58 +0000 (GMT)   --0-781478104-1039677718=3D:63764 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit     Hello, Ah! I see! Regards, Colin Mitchell UK Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote:On 12/11/02 12:31 PM, "Colin = Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   Now that I understand the term, I would agree that, "this is in the = ballpark" ....."spot on"....."A-OK" ......"Beaut!" (Choose your own = expletive!)   Colin: I don=92t get much conversation with Brits, though I had dinner = with two of them last evening, so I=92m thinking I must now be an expert. = I think you=92re not quite on target with it yet. I invite corrections = from other Yanks, but I submit that =93in the ballpark=94 means not = =93spot-on,=94 but =93approximately right.=94 A ballpark occupying some = acres (square furlongs?) it neither connotes nor denotes precision, but, = deliberately, =93approximation.=94   No?   Alan         --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits = your needs   --0-781478104-1039677718=3D:63764 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit   <P>Hello, <P>Ah!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I see! <P>Regards, <P>Colin Mitchell UK <P>&nbsp; <P>&nbsp;<B><I>Alan Freed &lt;acfreed0904@earthlink.net&gt;</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">On 12/11/02 12:31 PM, = "Colin Mitchell" &lt;cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk&gt; wrote:<BR><BR></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Now that I understand the term, = I would agree that, "this is in the ballpark" ....."spot on"....."A-OK" = ......"Beaut!" (Choose your own = expletive!)<BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3D"Times New = Roman">Colin: &nbsp;I don=92t get much conversation with Brits, though I = had dinner with two of them last evening, so I=92m thinking I must now be = an expert. &nbsp;I think you=92re not quite on target with it yet. &nbsp;I = invite corrections from other Yanks, but I submit that =93in the = ballpark=94 means not =93spot-on,=94 but =93approximately right.=94 = &nbsp;A ballpark occupying some acres (square furlongs?) it neither = connotes nor denotes precision, but, deliberately, =93approximation.=94 = &nbsp;<BR><BR>No?<BR><BR>Alan<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><p><p><br><hr = size=3D1><a = href=3D"http://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_xtra/?http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mai= l_storage.html"><b><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">With Yahoo! Mail you = can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs</font></ --0-781478104-1039677718=3D:63764--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Passau/Steinmeyer Ballpark From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:27:24 +0000 (GMT)   --0-97222696-1039678044=3D:28413 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit     Hello, Hee Hee! He maybe can, but will he? Tut Tut Regards, Colin Mitchell UK Malcolm Wechsler <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote:Perhaps further = clarification comes from the very common expression we have all used. We = get it as Organ builders, and my garage mechanic gets it from me: "Can you = give me a ballpark figure of what this will cost?" Just an approximation. = Cheers from right field, Malcolm Wechslerwww.mander-organs.com ----- = Original Message ----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org = Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:02 PMSubject: Re: Passau/Steinmeyer Dear Alan:   In the Ballpark the way I used the term means that the most important elements are present in the instrument, and gives tacit agreement for a successful organ. If I say they missed the train, the opportunity is gone for success. It failed the test. Your analysis of the term is spot on.   Ron Severin       --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits = your needs   --0-97222696-1039678044=3D:28413 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit   <P>Hello, <P>Hee Hee! <P>He maybe can, but will he? <P>Tut Tut <P>Regards, <P>Colin Mitchell UK <P>&nbsp; <P>&nbsp;<B><I>Malcolm Wechsler &lt;manderusa@earthlink.net&gt;</I></B> = wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 = Transitional//EN"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Perhaps further clarification comes from = the very&nbsp;common expression we have all used. We get it as Organ = builders, and my garage mechanic gets it from me: "Can you give me a = ballpark figure of what this will cost?" Just an = approximation.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers from right field,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Malcolm Wechsler</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A = href=3D"http://www.mander-organs.com/">www.mander-organs.com</A> = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com" = title=3DRonSeverin@aol.com>RonSeverin@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" = title=3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 11, 2002 = 3:02 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: = Passau/Steinmeyer</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT face=3DArial lang=3D0 = size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Dear Alan:<BR><BR>In the Ballpark the way I = used the term means that the most<BR>important elements are present in the = instrument, and <BR>gives tacit agreement for a successful organ. If I say = <BR>they missed the train, the opportunity is gone for success.<BR>It = failed the test. Your analysis of the term is spot on.<BR><BR>Ron = Severin</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><p><p><br><hr size=3D1><a = href=3D"http://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_xtra/?http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mai= l_storage.html"><b><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">With Yahoo! Mail you = can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your = needs</font></b></a><br> --0-97222696-1039678044=3D:28413--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Passau/Steinmeyer Ballpark From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:30:14 +0000 (GMT)   --0-497218800-1039678214=3D:85966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit     Hello, I think we call Baseball "Rounders", or something like that. How do the rules differ from Cricket? :) Regards, Colin Mitchell UK Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote:On 12/11/02 7:11 PM, = "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote:   "Can you give me a ballpark figure of what this will cost?" Just an = approximation.   Exactly.   Uh, well, close enough.   Alan       --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits = your needs   --0-497218800-1039678214=3D:85966 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit   <P>Hello, <P>I think we call Baseball "Rounders", or something like that. <P>How do the rules differ from Cricket? <P>:) <P>Regards, <P>Colin Mitchell UK <P>&nbsp; <P>&nbsp;<B><I>Alan Freed &lt;acfreed0904@earthlink.net&gt;</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">On 12/11/02 7:11 PM, = "Malcolm Wechsler" &lt;manderusa@earthlink.net&gt; wrote:<BR><BR></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>"Can you give me a ballpark = figure of what this will cost?" Just an = approximation.<BR></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3D"Times New = Roman"><BR>Exactly.<BR><BR>Uh, well, close enough.<BR><BR>Alan</FONT> = </BLOCKQUOTE><p><p><br><hr size=3D1><a = href=3D"http://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_xtra/?http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mai= l_storage.html"><b><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">With Yahoo! Mail you = can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your = needs</font></b></a><br> --0-497218800-1039678214=3D:85966--