PipeChat Digest #3315 - Saturday, December 21, 2002
 
Re: O Holy Night dilemma
  by "Scott Rollins" <srollins@primus.ca>
Guilmant and Australian organists
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
RE: Pray for 1st Pres in Oakland, CA
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: Embellishments
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: O Holy Night dilemma
  by "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net>
Re: O Holy Night dilemma
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Trill please, shaken, not stirred....
  by "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net>
Re: Embellishments
  by "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net>
Re: Guilmant and Australian organists
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Bach's Music
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Embellishments
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: O Holy Night dilemma
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: O Holy Night dilemma From: "Scott Rollins" <srollins@primus.ca> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 05:16:13 -0500 (EST)   Yesterday, Robert Eversman wrote:   > Need help on this one. We are having a carol sing at my church the = Sunday > following Christmas Day. 10 people requested O Holy Night ! I have = never > heard of doing this as a congregational "hymn".   Well, not as a hymn, but it will be played twice during one of our Christmas Eve services this year.   As a prelude, I and a handbell soloist will be playing it, and then during communion, a soloist will sing it (with somebody else accompanying). As for myself, I can't wait for next week to be done with. December's been so busy and stressful, and I am so looking forward to returning to routine, not to mention grateful that we have a visiting choir one Sunday in January.   Scott   Scott Rollins * srollins@primus.ca * Arnprior, Ontario, Canada Organist/Choir Director, Grace-St. Andrew's United Church ------------------------------------------------------------------- "There's a clarity in letter writing that goes beyond all forms of communication." -- DB      
(back) Subject: Guilmant and Australian organists From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:39:33 +0000   (Originally posted to PIP-ORG list) Dear list,   This is to wish Agnes Armstrong good luck in her Paris recital. A couple = of weeks ago Andrew Grahame sent me two CD's from Australia which he had put together for me of my good friend Michael Dudman playing a variety of Australian organs, including Sydney Town Hall, Sydney Opera House,and = those at Newcastle Cathedral and the Newcastle Conservatorium where Michael was Director of the College and Cathedral organist. Magnificent playing and = fine sounding instruments. It would be interesting to trace the history of = organ teaching and performance in Australia, a tradition which has produced such =   outstanding organists as George Thalben Ball, Norman Johnson and Michael Dudman. Michael was never really acknowledged as the virtuoso he was while =   in England, but on his return to Australia his genius was recognised and = he became one of the country's leading organists, giving regular recitals and =   broadcasts for the ABC, including an American tour. Anyway, one of the pieces he played was the Guilmant Noel on a Polish carol, of which he gave = a stunning performance. I was so enamored with it that I ordered it immediately and picked it up in London yesterday after descending from my flight from Mount Olympus. (Ikarus was not one of the Olympian Gods, so we =   had no trouble with our wings falling off, and Olympic Airways serves reasonably good food for an airline!). It is in a book of noels by = Guilmant which are all well within the capability of the average parish church organist. If you are looking for relatively easy French music of charm for =   Christmas, which sounds impressive, these are highly recommended! The collection isn't too expensive, either. (This was originally posted to PIP-ORG list, but due to a technical problem with my ISP my email is a bit =   "etsi-ketsi" at the moment.)   John Foss. Mount Olympus.   www.johnfoss.gr   _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail&xAPID=3D42&PS=3D47575&PI=3D73= 24&DI=3D7474&SU=3D http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=3D1216hotmailtaglines_stopmore= spam_3mf    
(back) Subject: RE: Pray for 1st Pres in Oakland, CA From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:54:44 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000F_01C2A8C6.39E38C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Pray they had adequate insurance....   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of = John Jarvis Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 12:48 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Pray for 1st Pres in Oakland, CA   I am fortunate to be taking organ lessons from Ron McKean at the 1st Presbyterian Church in Oakland, CA. They have a wonderful Rosales tracker pipe organ of about 73 ranks that is marvelous. Yesterday afternoon, the torrential rains in Northern California turned a small leak in the ceiling into a small portion of the ceiling collapsing on this wonderful = instrument. Fortunately, the Pipe Tuner was inside the organ when this happened and = was able to react quickly. They were able to cover many of the pipes that were most exposed but there isn't much you can do to cover a 32ft pipe in the pedal. There are days that no one goes into the sanctuary so things could have been a lot worse than they are. Everyone is afraid to turn on the organ until things have dried out for fear of shorting out the pumps and more specifically the electronic capture for the pistons. At last report, Sunday morning will be with piano only and hopes are to be able to use the organ on Christmas Eve. 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(back) Subject: Re: Embellishments From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:38:09 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   This is definitely not going to be my best reply of the year!   I am not a Bach "scholar" in the accepted sense, but I do play the music. The question of embellishments is not all that taxing in, say, the first Eb Trio Sonata, but then play "O mensch bewein". It is very difficult to be consistent in the approach to the embellishments.   Ron Severin make a valid point.....follow your heart, and if it works, stick to it.   The important point should surely be that embellishments should be just that, and not draw the attention of the listener away from the music.....a common criticism in the otherwise excellent playing of Ton Koopman. However, Ton Koopman knows his stuff, and his performance practice is ever fascinating.   The French were much more precise in the use of ornamentation; though each composer "did their own thing" (what's new!) and wrote out tables de agreements etc.   It is perhaps important to remember that spontaneous improvisation and embellishment were a common feature of Baroque performance; so one should not lose sleep about absolute correctness.   Incidentally, the Widor edition of Bach Organ Works goes into great detail (not that I have ever read it beyond the first few paragraphs.......I was bored with the sermon!). Willi Apel's excellent "Keyboard Music" is a veritable tour de force, despite that fact that it was written so long ago.....he did his homework!   So, by all means study, but be aware of the fact that music making is more important than scholarship, correctness or sheer eccentricity. After all, much of the music we know as Bach comes to us in the hands of the copiest.   Like I said, this is not a great reply!   Regards, Colin Mitchell UK       __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: O Holy Night dilemma From: "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:00:00 -0800   > Has anyone else on the list done this (O Holy Night) as a group?   Yep. Doing it tomorrow, in fact. We are currently without a minister, = and the gal leading the service want's this one done as a hymn. I know I have it in different books, including 1 for cello and piano, but after 2 moves, do you think I can find it? One of the church ladies came to the rescue with a version taken from a Reader's Digest quickie favorites book, or something like that. It's not the greatest, having the underlying notes = as 8th notes rather than triplets, but on short notice, It gets the job done.   With te extra stuff at church, 2 orchestra concerts last weekend, and 1 tonight, things have been busy. Moravian Christmas eve services are = mostly music since we do a lovefeast and the candle thing. We do about 20 hymns = by the time it's all said and done. I'll be glad for a break!   Best wishes, Mike          
(back) Subject: Re: O Holy Night dilemma From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:05:13 EST     --part1_179.133eac7b.2b35cf19_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I am pretty sure it's also in the Armed Services hymnal in a "hymn" = setting. My copy is at the office and I'm at home so I can't be absolutely certain. =   Offer void in Pennsylvania, South Dakota, and the eastern half of West Virginia, or where prohibited by law. Cash value 1/10c.   --part1_179.133eac7b.2b35cf19_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I am pretty sure it's also in the Armed Services = hymnal in a "hymn" setting. My copy is at the office and I'm at home so I = can't be absolutely certain. Offer void in Pennsylvania, South Dakota, and = the eastern half of West Virginia, or where prohibited by law. Cash value = 1/10c. </FONT></HTML>   --part1_179.133eac7b.2b35cf19_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Trill please, shaken, not stirred.... From: "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:16:59 -0800   Lee,   Maybe I'm way off base here, but I've come to the conclusion that there's = no one "right" way to embellish. A lot of the different embellishments have the same names or similar characteristics, but everyone has a different = way to do them. A lot of the old classical French organists included a table = of embellishments in their books to tell the organist how they performed = them, and there are differences among those. Bach's ornamentation is more elaborate than his German contemporaries. He liked the French organ = music, so I'm sure he was thinking of that when he played. Also, I imaging = things like acoustics or the action of the organ had an effect on how these = things came across.   Organists in Bach's day were expected to improvise. I'll bet the bottom line is that embellishments were imrovised too. The organist just did what he was moved to do. I'll bet it you could somehow capture and record = Bach's own playing, you'd find that he never did the same thing exactly twice.   Best wishes, Mike      
(back) Subject: Re: Embellishments From: "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:29:12 -0800   > improvisations Bach did in his day. And if they were improvisations, = why did > he write them, and why don't we have those copies now?   Bach's idea in writing the Orgelbuechlein was as an instructional aid. I don't have mine here right now, but I believe he wrote in the preface something like "For the Glory of God and the Instruction of my Neighbor." He was showing us different ideas to use for improvising our own chorales. I'm sure he'd shake his head in amazement to find that most of us just = play straight from his book rather than do as he intended.   I've got Riemenschneider, but don't care for all the page turns. Since college, I've used the Robert Clark edition. I like it because it lays flat, is easy to read, and has minimal page turns.   Best wishes, Mike          
(back) Subject: Re: Guilmant and Australian organists From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:14:13 EST     --part1_12c.1e5f7593.2b35fb65_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi John:   The Organ Historical Society has a CD of French music in pdf format including the Guilmant pieces you mention for $20.00 US. You can print the music for pieces you want to perform. These are all public domain. The CD of course is copyrighted. Each CD contains approx. 1,800 pages of music. Everything is neatly indexed for use, you just set your printer to print only the pieces you want. I use plastic sleeves and insert them in my three ring play book.   Ron Severin   --part1_12c.1e5f7593.2b35fb65_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Hi John:<BR> <BR> The Organ Historical Society has a CD of French music in<BR> pdf format including the Guilmant pieces you mention for<BR> $20.00 US. You can print the music for pieces you want to<BR> perform. These are all public domain. The CD of course is<BR> copyrighted. Each CD contains approx. 1,800 pages of<BR> music. Everything is neatly indexed for use, you just set<BR> your printer to print only the pieces you want. I use plastic<BR> sleeves and insert them in my three ring play book.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_12c.1e5f7593.2b35fb65_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach's Music From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:23:07 EST     --part1_1bd.18a4ee61.2b360b8b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Chatters:   About every 20 to 40 years a new crop of experts pop up with new editions of Bach's music. The Bach opus list shrinks leaving out so called spurious pieces, but touting their scholarly value. I call this marketing. At $54.00 to $60.00 per volume rather pricy, so you need a gimick to get people to part with their hard earned cash. The Widor/Schweitzer is easier to read, but more page turns. Peeters edition more plain, Reimenschneider, Dupre for those who like fingerings and pedal written in. They are all Bach works with varying degrees of editing and all good. Young new players who have limited funds may wish to consider picking up used copies from retireing organists at cents on the dollar compared to new. You might find some interesting editing done by the previous owner.   As to the so called spurious pieces, if they were at one time included in the Bach opus, give the Old Master credit, He most probably did write it. The jury is still out on all this. Karl Straube was an outstanding Bach scholar, who spent a lot of time pouring over manuscripts and copies. We can thank Felix Mendelshonn Bartoldy for making the initial rediscovery which sparked the on going search. Surprises occasionally come to light with the discovery of new choral preludes of 30 or 40 years ago. I'm sure there are still pieces of Bach's music to be rediscovered. We just have to follow the paper trail, private collections, attics, trunks etc. It's an indeed interesting pursuit. Experts really need to think through their decisions, before making them public, with more concrete explainations rather than merely muddying the waters and expunging known Bach works. About 60 to 80 years ago this got to be rather a fetish, and attention getting more than anything concrete or useful scholarship.   Donning my flame proof tux,   Ron Severin   --part1_1bd.18a4ee61.2b360b8b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Dear Chatters:<BR> <BR> About every 20 to 40 years a new crop of experts pop up<BR> with new editions of Bach's music. The Bach opus list<BR> shrinks leaving out so called spurious pieces, but touting<BR> their scholarly value. I call this marketing. At $54.00 to <BR> $60.00 per volume rather pricy, so you need a gimick<BR> to get people to part with their hard earned cash. The<BR> Widor/Schweitzer is easier to read, but more page turns.<BR> Peeters edition more plain, Reimenschneider, Dupre<BR> for those who like fingerings and pedal written in. They are<BR> all Bach works with varying degrees of editing and all good.<BR> Young new players who have limited funds may wish to<BR> consider picking up used copies from retireing organists<BR> at cents on the dollar compared to new. You might find<BR> some interesting editing done by the previous owner.<BR> <BR> As to the so called spurious pieces, if they were at one<BR> time included in the Bach opus, give the Old Master<BR> credit, He most probably did write it. The jury is still out<BR> on all this. Karl Straube was an outstanding Bach scholar,<BR> who spent a lot of time pouring over manuscripts and copies.<BR> We can thank Felix Mendelshonn Bartoldy for making the <BR> initial rediscovery which sparked the on going search. Surprises<BR> occasionally come to light with the discovery of new choral <BR> preludes of 30 or 40 years ago. I'm sure there are still pieces<BR> of Bach's music to be rediscovered. We just have to follow the<BR> paper trail, private collections, attics, trunks etc. It's an indeed<BR> interesting pursuit. Experts really need to think through their<BR> decisions, before making them public, with more concrete<BR> explainations rather than merely muddying the waters and expunging<BR> known Bach works. About 60 to 80 years ago this got to be<BR> rather a fetish, and attention getting more than anything concrete<BR> or useful scholarship.<BR> <BR> Donning my flame proof tux,<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1bd.18a4ee61.2b360b8b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Embellishments From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:43:48 EST     --part1_1be.18a87df9.2b361064_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/21/2002 7:39:22 AM Central Standard Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes:     >   I like his playing, but his ornamentation makes laugh = sometimes!-Literally!   --part1_1be.18a87df9.2b361064_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/21/2002 7:39:22 AM Central Standard Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ton = Koopman</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>I like his playing, but his ornamentation makes laugh = sometimes!-Literally!</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1be.18a87df9.2b361064_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: O Holy Night dilemma From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:37:51 EST     --part1_146.5c80504.2b362b1f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/20/02 11:59:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, highnote@mhtc.net writes:     > 10 people requested O Holy Night ! I have never > heard of doing this as a congregational "hymn". > > Has anyone else on the list done this as a group? >   Robert, O Holy Night is like the Halleluja Chorus (Messiah) and The Lord's Prayer = by Mallotte. Everyone knows it and can sing it with the accompaniment as written. I've done this with congregations many times at carol sings, = and even a couple of times as congregational hymns. My suggestion is to select a medium or low voice edition and just play it = and enjoy. You might even get a pianist to share the accompaniment with you. = It's great fun and the congregation will love it and thank you for it.   Remember..... it's Christmas. One of the few times during the = liturgical year when you can actually get away with being nice (unless you're in an evangelical church, in which case you can be nice year 'round!! ;-) = ...).   Enjoy... and happy howlidays...   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 check out <A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">Vision Success </A>       --part1_146.5c80504.2b362b1f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/20/02 11:59:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, highnote@mhtc.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">10 people = requested O Holy Night ! &nbsp;&nbsp;I have never <BR>heard of doing this as a congregational "hymn". <BR> <BR>Has anyone else on the list done this as a group? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Robert, <BR>O Holy Night is like the Halleluja Chorus (Messiah) and The Lord's = Prayer by Mallotte. &nbsp;&nbsp;Everyone knows it and can sing it with the = accompaniment as written. &nbsp;&nbsp;I've done this with congregations = many times at carol sings, and even a couple of times as congregational = hymns. <BR>My suggestion is to select a medium or low voice edition and just play = it and enjoy. &nbsp;&nbsp;You might even get a pianist to share the = accompaniment with you. &nbsp;It's great fun and the congregation will = love it and thank you for it. <BR> <BR>Remember..... &nbsp;it's Christmas. &nbsp;&nbsp;One of the few times = during the liturgical year when you can actually get away with being nice = (unless you're in an evangelical church, in which case you can be nice = year 'round!! &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;...). <BR> <BR>Enjoy... and happy howlidays... <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;check out &nbsp;&nbsp;<A = HREF=3D"http://www.visionsuccess.com/BC2053">Vision Success </A> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_146.5c80504.2b362b1f_boundary--