PipeChat Digest #3316 - Sunday, December 22, 2002
 
Re: Bach's Music
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Re: Trill please, shaken, not stirred....
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Embellishments
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Trill please, shaken, not stirred....
  by <AFberlin3@aol.com>
Re: Embellishments
  by <AFberlin3@aol.com>
Re: O Holy Night dilemma
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Editions of Bach's Organ Music (was: Re: Bach's Music)
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Re: Stop Motor help
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Editions of Bach's Organ Music (was: Re: Bach's Music)
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Embellishments
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
GdO - Arbeitskreis Hausorgel
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Bach's Music From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:13:58 -0800 (PST)   --0-326804341-1040505238=3D:59304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: Dear Chatters:   About every 20 to 40 years a new crop of experts pop up with new editions of Bach's music. The Bach opus list shrinks leaving out so called spurious pieces, but touting their scholarly value. I call this marketing. At $54.00 to $60.00 per volume rather pricy, so you need a gimick to get people to part with their hard earned cash. The Widor/Schweitzer is easier to read, but more page turns. Peeters edition more plain, Reimenschneider, Dupre for those who like fingerings and pedal written in.   ------------------   Ahem:   Does anyone know why the JSB Reimenschneider edition of The Eighteen Great = Chorales is no longer in print? Why was it allowed to go out of print, = and yet his edition of the Orgelbuchlein is still in print...   A sincere, interested individual would like to know...   Best wishes to all...     Morton Belcher   fellow list member....   ------------------------------------       Ron Severin       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-326804341-1040505238=3D:59304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>&nbsp; <P>&nbsp;<B><I>RonSeverin@aol.com</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #1010ff 2px solid"> <P><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Dear Chatters:<BR><BR>About every 20 to 40 years a = new crop of experts pop up<BR>with new editions of Bach's music. The Bach = opus list<BR>shrinks leaving out so called spurious pieces, but = touting<BR>their scholarly value. I call this marketing. At $54.00 to = <BR>$60.00 per volume rather pricy, so you need a gimick<BR>to get people = to part with their hard earned cash. The<BR>Widor/Schweitzer is easier to = read, but more page turns.<BR>Peeters edition more plain, Reimenschneider, = Dupre<BR>for those who like fingerings and pedal written = in.</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">------------------</FONT></FONT></P> <P>Ahem:</P> <P>Does anyone know why the JSB Reimenschneider edition of The Eighteen = Great Chorales is no longer in print?&nbsp; Why was it allowed to go out = of print, and yet his edition of the Orgelbuchlein is still in = print...</P> <P>A sincere, interested individual would like to know...</P> <P>Best wishes to all...</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>Morton Belcher</P> <P>fellow list member....</P> <P>------------------------------------</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Ron Severin</FONT> = </P></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><p><br><hr size=3D1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com">Yahoo!= Mail Plus</a> - Powerful. Affordable. <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com">Sign = up now</a> --0-326804341-1040505238=3D:59304--  
(back) Subject: Re: Trill please, shaken, not stirred.... From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:21:25 EST     --part1_19c.e0bbf08.2b363555_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Mike, I tend to agree with you. I was just wanting the opinion of the = rest of the chat. Lee   --part1_19c.e0bbf08.2b363555_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Mike, I tend to agree with you.&nbsp; I was just = wanting the opinion of the rest of the chat.&nbsp; Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_19c.e0bbf08.2b363555_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Embellishments From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:42:39 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   I would never laugh at Ton Koopman.....he is one of the very greatest scholars/performers of Bach's music alive to-day!   Hear him in the right acoustic, playing the right organ and you might begin to understand.   He is, above all, a very great interpreter.....he is, in effect, bringing us Bach in the spirit of improvised inflections and ornamentation.....the true spirit of the Baroque.   The Dutch academics/performers are extremely intellectual in their approach and take their Bach very, very seriously.......learn from them! (Which is not the same as suggesting that we COPY them).   Regards, Colin Mitchell UK     --- Gfc234@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/21/2002 7:39:22 AM Central > Standard Time, > cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > > > > > I like his playing, but his ornamentation makes > laugh sometimes!-Literally! >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Trill please, shaken, not stirred.... From: <AFberlin3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:10:01 EST     --part1_178.13d68c5e.2b3640b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     In a message dated 12/21/02 3:18:40 PM, mswal@adelphia.net writes:     > Organists in Bach's day were expected to improvise.=3DA0 I'll bet the = bottom > line is that embellishments were imrovised too. The organist just did = what > he was moved to do.=3DA0 I'll bet it you could somehow capture and = record=3D20 > Bach's > own playing, you'd find that he never did the same thing exactly twice. >=3D20   Bravo, Mike!   --part1_178.13d68c5e.2b3640b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = FACE=3D3D"Geneva" F=3D AMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D3D"2"><BR> In a message dated 12/21/02 3:18:40 PM, mswal@adelphia.net writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE CITE STYLE=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px;=3D20=3D MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px" TYPE=3D3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#0=3D 00000" FACE=3D3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D3D"2">Organists in = Bach's d=3D ay were expected to improvise.=3DA0 I'll bet the bottom<BR> line is that embellishments were imrovised too. The organist just did = what<B=3D R> he was moved to do.=3DA0 I'll bet it you could somehow capture and record = Bach=3D 's<BR> own playing, you'd find that he never did the same thing exactly = twice.<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" FACE=3D3D"Geneva" = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSE=3D RIF" SIZE=3D3D"2"><BR> <BR> Bravo, Mike!</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" FACE=3D3D"Geneva" = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSER=3D IF" SIZE=3D3D"2"></FONT></HTML>   --part1_178.13d68c5e.2b3640b9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Embellishments From: <AFberlin3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:11:26 EST     --part1_76.2794767a.2b36410e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     In a message dated 12/21/02 7:44:29 PM, Gfc234@aol.com writes:     >=3D20 > Ton Koopman >=3D20 >=3D20 > I like his playing, but his ornamentation makes laugh = sometimes!-Literally=3D ! >=3D20   Check out the following two websites for more information on = embellishments.=3D =3D20 It made me laugh!   I wish you a most blessed holiday season.=3DA0 God bless you all. Alexander Frey<A = HREF=3D3D"http://www.madblast.com/funflash/swf/operababy.swf"=3D >   http://www.madblast.com/funflash/swf/operababy.swf</A>   http://www.madblast.com/view.cfm?type=3D3DFunFlash&display=3D3D1838   --part1_76.2794767a.2b36410e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = FACE=3D3D"Geneva" F=3D AMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D3D"2"><BR> In a message dated 12/21/02 7:44:29 PM, Gfc234@aol.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE CITE STYLE=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px;=3D20=3D MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px" TYPE=3D3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#0=3D 00000" FACE=3D3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D3D"2"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" FACE=3D3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = SIZE=3D3D"=3D 2">Ton Koopman<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" FACE=3D3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = SIZE=3D3D"=3D 2"><BR> <BR> I like his playing, but his ornamentation makes laugh = sometimes!-Literally!<=3D BR> </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" FACE=3D3D"Geneva" = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSE=3D RIF" SIZE=3D3D"2"><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" FACE=3D3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = SIZE=3D3D"2=3D "><B>Check out the following two websites for more information on = embellishm=3D ents.&nbsp; It made me laugh!<BR> <BR> I wish you a most blessed holiday season.=3DA0 God bless you all.<BR> Alexander Frey</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000FF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSE=3D RIF" SIZE=3D3D"2"><A = HREF=3D3D"http://www.madblast.com/funflash/swf/operababy.sw=3D f"><BR> <BR> http://www.madblast.com/funflash/swf/operababy.swf</A></FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"=3D #000000" FACE=3D3D"Arial" FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D3D"2"><BR> <BR> http://www.madblast.com/view.cfm?type=3D3DFunFlash&amp;display=3D3D1838</B>= </FON=3D T><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" FACE=3D3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = SIZE=3D3D"2"></=3D FONT></HTML>   --part1_76.2794767a.2b36410e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: O Holy Night dilemma From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:08:35 -0600   O holy night used to be standard fare at school Christmas concerts when I was a kid. It was always the last thing on the program, and EVERYONE sang...   it's not unusual to use as a "congregationally" sung piece.     Jon  
(back) Subject: Editions of Bach's Organ Music (was: Re: Bach's Music) From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:42:48 -0800 (PST)   --0-108007514-1040524968=3D:67825 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Ladies and Gentlemen of the List: A previous e-mail that I sent didn't come through on the computer like I = meant it to... Moreover, I have decided to reword my earlier post a bit... Your = indulgence is respectfully requested. Now to my slightly revised post: Ahem: Does anyone know why the JSB Reimenschneider edition of The Eighteen Great = Chorales is no longer in print? Why did the publisher let it go out of = print? And why did the same publisher keep the Reimenschneider edition of = the Orgelbuchelin in print? A sincere, interested individual would like to know... Best wishes to all.. Morton Belcher fellow list member... "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> wrote: RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: Dear Chatters:   About every 20 to 40 years a new crop of experts pop up with new editions of Bach's music. The Bach opus list shrinks leaving out so called spurious pieces, but touting their scholarly value. I call this marketing. At $54.00 to $60.00 per volume rather pricy, so you need a gimick to get people to part with their hard earned cash. The Widor/Schweitzer is easier to read, but more page turns. Peeters edition more plain, Reimenschneider, Dupre for those who like fingerings and pedal written in. Ron Severin       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now     --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-108007514-1040524968=3D:67825 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>&nbsp; <P>Ladies and Gentlemen of the List: <P>A previous e-mail that I sent didn't come through on the computer like = I meant it to... <P>Moreover, I have decided to reword my earlier post a bit...&nbsp; Your = indulgence is respectfully requested.&nbsp; Now to my slightly revised = post: <P>Ahem: <P>Does anyone know why the JSB Reimenschneider edition of The Eighteen = Great Chorales is no longer in print?&nbsp; Why did the publisher let it = go out of print?&nbsp;&nbsp;And&nbsp;why did the same publisher keep the = Reimenschneider edition of the Orgelbuchelin in print?&nbsp; <P>A sincere, interested individual would like to know... <P>Best wishes to all.. <P>&nbsp; <P>Morton Belcher <P>fellow list member... <P>&nbsp;<B><I>"littlebayus@yahoo.com" = &lt;littlebayus@yahoo.com&gt;</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #1010ff 2px solid"> <P> <P>&nbsp;<B><I>RonSeverin@aol.com</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #1010ff 2px solid"> <P><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Dear Chatters:<BR><BR>About every 20 to 40 years a = new crop of experts pop up<BR>with new editions of Bach's music. The Bach = opus list<BR>shrinks leaving out so called spurious pieces, but = touting<BR>their scholarly value. I call this marketing. At $54.00 to = <BR>$60.00 per volume rather pricy, so you need a gimick<BR>to get people = to part with their hard earned cash. The<BR>Widor/Schweitzer is easier to = read, but more page turns.<BR>Peeters edition more plain, Reimenschneider, = Dupre<BR>for those who like fingerings and pedal written = in.</FONT></FONT><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial = size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Ron Severin</FONT> = </P></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT> <P><BR> <HR SIZE=3D1> Do you Yahoo!?<BR><A = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com">Yahoo!= Mail Plus</A> - Powerful. Affordable. <A = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com">Sign = up now</A></BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=3D1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com">Yahoo!= Mail Plus</a> - Powerful. Affordable. <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com">Sign = up now</a> --0-108007514-1040524968=3D:67825--  
(back) Subject: Re: Stop Motor help From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:16:31 -0600   OSI supplies replacement Slic motors, which should be an exact fit. The = are also quite improved from the original versions. Consult your organ = technician! Roy Redman   Jeff White wrote:   > My home church has a 1976 Schlicker with slider chests. The stop motors > that move the sliders are kinda oblong/round, with a lever on top that > rotates to move the slider. Tonight, the 8' Principal in the Great, and > then the 4' Octave decided not to work. The organist got the 8' going = again > by moving the lever (and thus freeing it up), but the 4' was more = stubborn. > > I thought I heard that these particular motors are obsolete. Can anyone > tell me if this is so, and are you familiar with these particular = motors, > and what can be done? Granted, it could be a wiring issue, as well. = This > organ has functioned like new for 26 years, and it's just now starting = to > have some problems, luckily all small, but annoying!! > > I played it tonight for the Children's service, and I had to have the 8' = and > 4' ON the entire time. No using flutes tonight!! :-) > > Thanks for any advice! I'll forward replies on to John, the minister of > music there. > > Jeff White > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Editions of Bach's Organ Music (was: Re: Bach's Music) From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:08:49 EST     --part1_1a2.dea26f4.2b36cd11_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/21/2002 8:44:09 PM Central Standard Time, littlebayus@yahoo.com writes:     > Does anyone know why the JSB Reimenschneider edition of The Eighteen = Great > Chorales is no longer in print?   Maybe he thought people ought to improve their clef reading ! lolololololololololol   --part1_1a2.dea26f4.2b36cd11_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/21/2002 8:44:09 PM Central Standard Time, littlebayus@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Does anyone know = why the JSB Reimenschneider edition of The Eighteen Great Chorales is no = longer in print? &nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Maybe he thought people ought to improve their clef reading ! = lolololololololololol</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1a2.dea26f4.2b36cd11_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Embellishments From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:11:05 EST     --part1_154.1954078f.2b36cd99_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I know Koopman is wonderful! His ornamentation tends to be very dramatic, =   and if it catches you off guard, as it did me, you may just laugh. gfc   --part1_154.1954078f.2b36cd99_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I know Koopman is = wonderful! &nbsp;His ornamentation tends to be very dramatic, and if it = catches you off guard, as it did me, you may just laugh. <BR>gfc</FONT></HTML>   --part1_154.1954078f.2b36cd99_boundary--  
(back) Subject: GdO - Arbeitskreis Hausorgel From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 04:44:04 EST     --part1_15.55c608c.2b36e364_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   List,   I was surfing around the website for the "Arbeitskreis Hausorgel" which appears to be a division of the Gesellschaft der Orgelfreunde. As the = name suggests, these members diseminate information about organs suitable for houses. Some of it sounds pretty technical.   I've forgotten most of the German I learned while in college, but I was = able to figure out some of it. I e-mailed the director to inquire about membership. I hope he's able to figure out my German. Chances are, he speaks English as well as I.   Anyway, do any of y'all have any experience with this group? I'd like to hear from you. This could serve as a way for me to brush up and keep up = with my German.   Thanks, Keith   --part1_15.55c608c.2b36e364_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">List,<BR> <BR> I was surfing around the website for the "Arbeitskreis Hausorgel" which = appears to be a division of the Gesellschaft der Orgelfreunde.&nbsp; As = the name suggests, these members diseminate information about organs = suitable for houses.&nbsp; Some of it sounds pretty technical.<BR> <BR> I've forgotten most of the German I learned while in college, but I was = able to figure out some of it.&nbsp; I e-mailed the director to inquire = about membership.&nbsp; I hope he's able to figure out my German.&nbsp; = Chances are, he speaks English as well as I.<BR> <BR> Anyway, do any of y'all have any experience with this group?&nbsp; I'd = like to hear from you.&nbsp; This could serve as a way for me to brush up = and keep up with my German.<BR> <BR> Thanks,<BR> Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_15.55c608c.2b36e364_boundary--