PipeChat Digest #3331 - Saturday, December 28, 2002
 
Re: Trinity Wall Street Gets new @#$%%^ Organ LINK
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Cornet/Sesquialtera - Solo/Chorus
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@stpetersrwc.org>
re: Which Harmonic
  by "Bro. Lawrence" <st_lawrence40@yahoo.com>
Re: Cats and Music
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Blue Christmas?
  by "Bro. Lawrence" <st_lawrence40@yahoo.com>
My new organ music cabinet
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
New song website
  by <AFberlin3@aol.com>
Septiemes and Nones
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Blue Christmas?
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Beginning organ student
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: Beginning organ student
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3330 - 12/27/02
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Re: Trinity Wall Street Gets new @#$%%^ Organ LINK
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
Re: Which Harmonic
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Re: fundamentals and harmonics
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Re: Which Harmonic
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Question of the day
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Trinity Wall Street Gets new @#$%%^ Organ LINK From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:33:02 -0500   On 12/27/02 4:45 PM, "danielwh1" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:   > Need I say more > Check out this link > http://www.trinitywallstreet.org/congregation/article_146.shtml > A friend of mine who is intimately familiar with the Wall Street situation comments:   "It's even worse than that. They are paying $600,000 for it."     Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: Cornet/Sesquialtera - Solo/Chorus From: "Randy Terry" <randy@stpetersrwc.org> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:56:47 -0800   I think since it was common to draw the sesquialtera in the plena on baroque era (un-equal temperment) instruments, one has the choice to draw it in chorus registrations in baroque literature, and even much romantic literature since the cornet was part of the reed ensemble in French instruments of all eras, and tierce mixtures were common in early English organs on up through Willis and Harrison, so I am sure English composers such as Stanford, Howells, and Parry would have played instruments with tierce mixtures.   Most of my friends around here would not dare draw a flute mutation into the plenum, and certainly not a tierce of any sort. The instrument I just finished has a simi-principal (on the sw) Nasat and Terz, both voiced boldly, and an independent great Twelfth. The Nasat also plays at 5-1/3 on the great and 1-1/3 in the swell. The acoustics are very live and I like the tierce especially in the "positiv" registration derrived among the swell stops in dialogue with the larger scaled great chorus.   I think one should register using one's creative side and ears, rather than thinking that (blank) can't be used for this or that because it says so in "X" book, or "that's the way I learned it in college." The basic rules are very important and must be our guide, but there is so much diversity in music and instruments that I think we do ourselves (as well as our instrument) a disservice if we never stretch the "rules!" -- Randy Terry, Curator of Instruments and Assisting Organist   The Episcopal Church of St. Peter 178 Clinton Street Redwood City, CA 94062 www.stpetersrwc.org  
(back) Subject: re: Which Harmonic From: "Bro. Lawrence" <st_lawrence40@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:58:25 -0800 (PST)   --0-1932902872-1041033505=3D:891 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Harry and all: May I sing the value of the septieme? The 21st harmonic = [which is *very* flat] is an inexpensive but exceedingly useful little = stop. Though not loud it is capable of changing the color of virtually any = stop, stop group, and especially a 5-rank cornet quite dramatically. Use = it with anything to find out all it works with. But do get it if you have = the opportunity. Then teach your tuner how to tune it. I requested one in a 3/39 Schantz in 1978. Didn't have money for a mixture = on the choir, but found the septieme to be a very good substitute. And I = did have to teach my tuner that the only way I knew to tune it was against = its fundamental. He finally admitted he couldn't find any other way that = worked. LawrenceSubject: RE: Which Harmonic From: "Harry E. Martenas" Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:03:45 -0500   There's a simple way of looking at harmonics - have seen it on the lists before, but it has helped me a lot. Corrections welcomed...   Pitch Harmonic Ratio Pitch Common name 8' 1st 8/1 8' (Diapason/Principal) 8' 2nd 8/2 4' (Principal/Octave) 8' 3rd 8/3 2 2/3'(Twelfth/Nasard) 8' 4th 8/4 2' (Fifteenth/Super Octave) 8' 5th 8/5 1 3/5'(Seventeenth/Tierce) 8' 6th 8/6 1 1/3'(Nineteenth/Larigot) 8' 7th 8/7 1 1/7'(Twentyfirst/Septi=E8me) 8' 8th 8/8 1' (Twenty-second)   /Harry Martenas       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1932902872-1041033505=3D:891 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>Harry and all: May I sing the value of the septieme? The 21st harmonic = [which is *very* flat] is an inexpensive but exceedingly useful little = stop. Though not loud it is capable of changing the color of virtually any = stop, stop group, and especially&nbsp;a 5-rank cornet quite dramatically. = Use it with anything to find out all it works with. But do get it if you = have the opportunity. Then teach your tuner how to tune it. <P>I requested one in a 3/39 Schantz in 1978. Didn't have money for a = mixture on the choir, but found the septieme to be a very good substitute. = And I did have to teach my tuner that the only way I knew to tune it was = against its fundamental. He finally admitted he couldn't find any other = way that worked. <P>Lawrence <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #1010ff 2px solid">Subject: RE: Which Harmonic<BR>From: "Harry E. = Martenas" <HARRYM@EPIX.NET><BR>Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:03:45 = -0500<BR><BR>There's a simple way of looking at harmonics - have seen it = on the lists<BR>before, but it has helped me a lot. Corrections = welcomed...<BR><BR>Pitch Harmonic Ratio Pitch Common name<BR>8' 1st 8/1 8' = (Diapason/Principal)<BR>8' 2nd 8/2 4' (Principal/Octave)<BR>8' 3rd 8/3 2 = 2/3'(Twelfth/Nasard)<BR>8' 4th 8/4 2' (Fifteenth/Super Octave)<BR>8' 5th = 8/5 1 3/5'(Seventeenth/Tierce)<BR>8' 6th 8/6 1 = 1/3'(Nineteenth/Larigot)<BR>8' 7th 8/7 1 = 1/7'(Twentyfirst/Septi=E8me)<BR>8' 8th 8/8 1' = (Twenty-second)<BR><BR>/Harry Martenas<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr = size=3D1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com">Yahoo!= Mail Plus</a> - Powerful. Affordable. <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com">Sign = up now</a> --0-1932902872-1041033505=3D:891--  
(back) Subject: Re: Cats and Music From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:06:12 +0000     "Remember, Humans have the mental age of a one-week-old blind kitten. They =   cannot express themselves in body language because they have no tail and = no whiskers; their hair can't stand up and their ears are completely inflexible. They can learn only a few words from the huge body-language feline vocabulary." (From 100 ways for A CAT TO TRAIN ITS HUMAN) And a click on http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/harfo32/lst?.dir=3D/ORGANS&.src=3Dph&.order= =3D&.view=3Dt&.done=3Dhttp%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ will take you to geoffrey playing his theme tune. Incidentally, Geoffrey = has been joined by Six Dinner Sid who even outrivals The Rum Tum Tugger in his =   insatiable appetite.   www.johnfoss.gr         _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=3Ddept/dialup&xAPID=3D42&PS=3D47575&PI=3D7324&DI= =3D7474&SU=3D http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=3D1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8i= shere_3mf    
(back) Subject: Blue Christmas? From: "Bro. Lawrence" <st_lawrence40@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:09:34 -0800 (PST)   --0-2142829728-1041034174=3D:37896 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Lee: I empathize with you fully. Several years ago my wife and I decided = that our marriage would most likely survive an a healthier state if she = would flee to her family some 200 miles from home about two days before = Christmas eve there to remain until New Years eve. After the last = festivity Christmas eve I go home and hybernate. A friend and I call each = other with greetings of "Bah! Humbug!" and somehow the burden slowly = evaporates. Hope you can get rid of the migraines! Let us know how Sunday = goes, please.   Lawrence   >>Lee wrote:   Same to you, Stan, and all on the list. I hope everyone isn't going = through the "after Christmas blues," as I am. I suppose it is designated in DSM IV (or V), but I haven't looked. The only keys I have hit this week are the ones on the computer. But, I have to snap out of it before Sunday. The migraine hasn't helped, either. Sorry to be complaining, but maybe someone out there can relate. Lee         --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-2142829728-1041034174=3D:37896 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica>Lee: I = empathize with you fully. Several years ago my wife and I decided that our = marriage would most likely survive an a healthier state if she would flee = to her family some 200 miles from home about two days before Christmas eve = there to remain until New Years eve. After the last festivity Christmas = eve I go home and hybernate. A friend and I call each other with greetings = of "Bah! Humbug!" and somehow the burden slowly evaporates. Hope you can = get rid of the migraines! Let us know how Sunday goes, = please.</FONT></FONT></P> <P>Lawrence</P> <P><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica>&gt;&gt;Lee = wrote:</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica>Same to you, = Stan, and all on the list. I hope everyone isn't going through<BR>the = "after Christmas blues," as I am. I suppose it is designated in DSM = IV<BR>(or V), but I haven't looked. The only keys I have hit this week are = the<BR>ones on the computer. But, I have to snap out of it before Sunday. = The<BR>migraine hasn't helped, either. Sorry to be complaining, but maybe = someone<BR>out there can relate. Lee<BR></P></FONT></FONT><p><br><hr = size=3D1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com">Yahoo!= Mail Plus</a> - Powerful. Affordable. <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com">Sign = up now</a> --0-2142829728-1041034174=3D:37896--  
(back) Subject: My new organ music cabinet From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:09:49 -0600   Christmas was very, verry good to me this year. Among my several nice presents was a huge unwrapped box. When I opened it, it contained pieces/parts for my new organ music cabinet.   I had searched antique and furniture stores in vain for the last couple years for a nice cabinet to house my music scores. Every time I thought I had found something and ran home to measure space for it, it would be sold when I returned or be out of stock when I ordered. I had despaired of ever finding one, and was resigned to letting all that organ music rot in document boxes.   Rick found an armoire in a JC Penney sales catalog for under $200, made from MFB and about 33.5" X 15" X 54". At first we both thought that this would be a horrible idea, and would only find use as a template for Rick to build me a cabinet. However, it was very sturdy, laminated white all over, and quite charming. I had it almost put together the day after Christmas (there was no heat at the courthouse, so even though I was warmly dressed in my Christmas sweater, new Land's End brogans and sweater socks, I took off work after lunch).   Well, today there was nothing much going on at work, so I decided to stay home and start loading the armoire with music. It took all day, but now that it is organized it looks like I have lots less music. In reviewing and sorting all the music I had, I was amazed and humbled by all the music that had been sent me in the past by fellow list members and friends. Some were "originals"; some were review copies with info so that I could obtain my own (which I have already done in many cases). Each page was a reminder to me of the generosity from people, many faceless to me, who share a common love for the instrument. I even found music I had written and hidden away from myself!   Even though I am not currently playing, thanks to you all for keeping the inspiration flowing. May the new year find your music cabinets and hearts overflowing with music and God's grace.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: New song website From: <AFberlin3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:22:47 EST     --part1_187.137e0584.2b3e48d7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Here is a new piece on a website that might interest some of us with a = sense of humor:   http://www.madblast.com/view.cfm?type=3DFunFlash&display=3D1662   --part1_187.137e0584.2b3e48d7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Here is a new piece on a website that = might interest some of us with a sense of humor:<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = SIZE=3D"2"> = http://www.madblast.com/view.cfm?type=3DFunFlash&amp;display=3D1662<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = SIZE=3D"2"></FONT></HTML> --part1_187.137e0584.2b3e48d7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Septiemes and Nones From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:34:29 -0800   A lot of us of "a certain age" learned how to use mutations on the old Hammond tonewheelers at a time when a 2' Piccolo on the Swell of your local 3m Moller was considered "baroque" and "radical" (grin).   Very late in the life of the original Hammond organization, they introduced the Septieme and None drawbars ... two black ones above the 1' drawbar, as I recall ... I think it was on the H-series, but I'm not sure. The number of tolerable string and reed sounds you could get out of the beast increased exponentially as a result. A pinch of Septieme was particularly favorable to string combinations; a dash of None gave a certain "clang" to reed combinations. Unfortunately they weren't around long enough to be included in the various Hammond registration books, and Suzie/Fester One-Foot didn't have a CLUE what to do with them.   Wasn't it Widor who remarked that the Gros Septieme at St. Sulpice made the pedals sound "like a muster of double-basses"?   They're itty-bitty pipes, and they're not all that 'spensive ... I agree that they should be more widely used.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Blue Christmas? From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:42:40 EST     --part1_104.231fc69f.2b3e4d80_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Thanks, Lawrence. Tomorrow being Saturday, I think, Sunday is almost = here. Hopefully I can function by then. At least I have the music all prepared = and in a folder. Lee   --part1_104.231fc69f.2b3e4d80_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Thanks, Lawrence.&nbsp; Tomorrow being Saturday, = I think, Sunday is almost here.&nbsp; Hopefully I can function by = then.&nbsp; At least I have the music all prepared and in a folder.&nbsp; = Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_104.231fc69f.2b3e4d80_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Beginning organ student From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:26:04 -0600   You're welcome Donald. Best of luck in your search for an organ. I spent more than a year comparing the pros and cons of the various digiorg makers before I decided on Cantor.   Tim   ----- Original Message ----- From: <dsmith5195@att.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: Re: Beginning organ student     > Tim, thanks for the recommendation. I'm going to check Cantor out on = the > internet right now. I'll let you know what happens. > > Thanks, > Donald Smith > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/2002    
(back) Subject: Re: Beginning organ student From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:33:50 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_009A_01C2ADDE.E20F6580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Robert,   Comparable to say a Johannus Sweelinck in price, though Cantor Positive = =3D is a far superior build and sound IMHO.   Tim ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: r=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 7:25 AM Subject: Re: Beginning organ student     I purchased a Cantor Positive this year . . .   The description you provided piqued my interest. I don't mean to pry, = =3D but could you give a ballpark figure for the cost of the specification =3D that you ordered?   Thanks, Robert Clooney     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/2002 ------=3D_NextPart_000_009A_01C2ADDE.E20F6580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Robert,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Comparable to say a Johannus = Sweelinck =3D in price,=3D20 though Cantor Positive is a far superior build and sound =3D IMHO.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tim</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dbasset3@hvc.rr.com = href=3D3D"mailto:basset3@hvc.rr.com">r</A> =3D </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 27, 2002 = =3D 7:25=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Beginning = organ=3D20 student</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I purchased a Cantor Positive this = =3D year . .=3D20 .</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The description you provided piqued = =3D my=3D20 interest.&nbsp; I don't mean to pry, but could you give a ballpark =3D figure for=3D20 the cost of the specification that you ordered?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Robert Clooney</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><BR>---<BR>Outgoing mail is = certified =3D Virus=3D20 Free.<BR>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>).<BR>Version: = =3D 6.0.431=3D20 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date:=3D20 12/17/2002</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_009A_01C2ADDE.E20F6580--    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3330 - 12/27/02 From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:15:36 EST     --part1_140.63f2463.2b3e6348_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Cats and music by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>       --part1_140.63f2463.2b3e6348_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Cats and music<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; by "Colin Mitchell" = &lt;cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk&gt;<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_140.63f2463.2b3e6348_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Trinity Wall Street Gets new @#$%%^ Organ LINK From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:27:27 -0500   The Insurance Company did o.k. Maybe they split the difference with 'organ co.'   Listen to the Trinity Christmas CD before the organ was destroyed.   http://store.yahoo.com/ohscatalog/chrisattrinw.html   Happy New Year to each one of you, Stan   Alan Freed wrote: > > On 12/27/02 4:45 PM, "danielwh1" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > Need I say more > > Check out this link > > http://www.trinitywallstreet.org/congregation/article_146.shtml > > > A friend of mine who is intimately familiar with the Wall Street = situation > comments: > > "It's even worse than that. They are paying $600,000 for it." > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Which Harmonic From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:44:35 -0500   >From: Kzimmer0817@aol.com >Subject: Which Harmonic   >Additionally, are the terms, "harmonics", "overtones", and "partials" >synonymous?     I've always understood that the terms "harmonic" and "partial" were = synonymous, numbered from 1 and starting at the fundamental. So the octave is the = second harmonic and the second partial. Hence the common description of stopped = flues as emphasizing the odd partials.   On the other hand, I've heard the term "non-harmonic partials" applied to bells, so "partial" may be used a little more loosely, at least when the partials aren't numbered. Or partially numbered. Or something.   The term "overtone" starts from 1 at the octave. So the second overtone = is the third partial, the quint.   Dick Meckstroth  
(back) Subject: Re: fundamentals and harmonics From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:04:59 -0500   ---- Original message ---- >From: "Ray Kimber" <ray@kimber.com> >Subject: fundamentals and harmonics   >We have a similar mis-speak with "polarity" and "phase" regarding speaker >systems, lots of folks (most who know better) say that a speaker is "out = of >phase", when they really mean "out of polarity" Phase is a shift in = time, >polarity is swapped leads. same would be true on microphones.   I probably shouldn't be waxing pedagogical so much, because I don't really = know what I'm talking about, but I think phase is actually a shift in angle on = the unit circle. So the sine function and the cosine function are identical, = but out of phase by ninety degrees. I think that speakers that are out of = polarity are indeed out of phase, by 180 degrees.   If you alter phase by shifting a signal in time, the shift in phase is not = just a function of the time interval. You have to take frequency into account. = If you delay a 440 Hz. wave by 1 880th of a second, you'll shift its phase = 180 degrees. But if you delay an 880 Hz. wave by the same interval, you'll = wrap right around the unit circle and put it back into phase.   Dick  
(back) Subject: Re: Which Harmonic From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:38:36 +1300   I think there are various areas that organists and organbuilders need to = be aware of and listen to. One we're speaking of at the moment seems to be about partials in a pipe's tone that are not in phase, i.e. not within the harmonic series. It seems to me, on doing a very great deal of listening over many years, that Principal/Diapason pipes need out-of-phase harmonics to some extent, if they are to be good ranks that sound alive. Electronic "organs" often sound dead because they don't have these things. I'm = looking forward to hearing the word "inharmonicity" expanded on, as it seems it might be looking at this area.   The strength of the harmonics certainly differs from organ to organ in the various stops, as it does even in pianos. For example, the shorter you = make a piano string, the weaker the fundamental is, so you have to thicken the wire to get the bass to work. By doing this, you decrease the fundamental, though, and increase the 17th, i.e. the 5th harmonic. As this is = out-of-tune with the tempered scale, a good piano tuner will tune his low notes more = to the this 5th harmonic rather than to the fundamental/first harmonic. If you're still with me, this means that a small upright piano is not in tune with a long-stringed grand, and not in tune with an organ, either.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Question of the day From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:48:11 -0500       "D. Keith Morgan" wrote: > > Dear List Members: > > Several people have indicated an interest for me to > elaborate on Inharmonicity. > > I plan soon to do just that, but right now I'm having > computer difficulties, and my computer is in the > hospital undergoing major surgery. > > I'm writing now from the Public Library, so with your > patience, I'll be getting on this subject shortly. > > D. Keith Morgan   My rat's patoot My cat hates trains - Lionel Trains specifically Does a well voiced tibia border on a state of inharmicity?   Major Surgery is doing better, much less crestfallen from the miner stuff. There is a Colonel of truth in this.   Is the Atlantic City Kimball bigger than the RCMH?   Youth in Jersey,