PipeChat Digest #2694 - Thursday, February 7, 2002
 
RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity of Anglican Orders	, etc.
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity of Anglican Orders	,etc.
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity of Anglican Orders ,etc.
  by <WmChasBeck@aol.com>
On Swedes & Norwegians in various localities
  by "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net>
On Norwegians & Swedes (second instalment)
  by "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity of Anglican Orders ,etc.
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity ofAnglicanOrders,etc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity ofAnglicanOrders,e	tc.
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: On Norwegians and Swedes
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity ofAnglicanOrders,e		tc.
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validityofAnglicanOrders,e		tc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validityofAnglicanOrders,e			tc.
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validityofAnglicanOrders,e			tc.
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validityofAnglicanOrders,e				tc.
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
en chamade
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: en chamade
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
 

(back) Subject: RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity of Anglican Orders , etc. From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:25:41 -0500   Bravo to you and I double this. And not only that, the Rosses did NOT bash the RC Church. That is a mischaracterization. Personally I think this pope is the antichrist!!! Robert Colasacco Bye all, I guess I'll be banned now.   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 5:14 PM To: PipeChat Subject: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity of Anglican Orders, etc.         Johnny Kash wrote:   > How nice of you to bash Roman Catholicism on the Pipe Organ Chat list. > You really have nothing better to do!? > > J.K.   The RC church has a long history of "bashing" (if you will) anything and anyone with which they disagree ... Galileo, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Index, etc. etc. etc.   "Dominus Iesus", issued on the eve of the most recent Lambeth Conference (the world-wide Synod of the Anglican Communion) declared unequivocally that = not only were Anglican Orders not VALID, the Anglican CHURCH was not a "real" = CHURCH.   Charming.   As usual, we have Cardinal Rat(zinger) to thank for tossing THAT little verbal grenade.   Rome's claim to Universal Primacy cannot be proved by Scripture OR Sacred Tradition. What's more, TWO-THIRDS of CATHOLIC Christendom (the Anglicans, the Eastern Orthodox, the Old Catholics, the Swedish Lutherans, the Copts, the Armenians, etc.) does NOT accept it.   The Apostle Peter was the 1st Bishop of Rome, no more, no less. Claims of universal jurisdiction don't appear until a thousand years later, = beginning with the reign of Gregory the Great, and mostly based upon the (forged) = Decretals of Constantine.   As to the whole business of Leo XIII and Anglican Orders, I'll be happy to post Apostolicae Curae and the reply of the Archbishops of Canterbury and York, if anyone's interested.   Cheers,   Bud             "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity of Anglican Orders ,etc. From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:00:29 -0500     the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Rome is St Paul's, and St Peter's is a much-later parish church only. St Paul Lateran is called   That's St. John Lateran not St. Paul. You're thinking of St. Paul Outside the Walls because it was outside the walls at the time it was built (Paolo fuori le mura) There are four main basilicas in Rome, Santa Maria = Maggiore, San Paolo Fuori le Mura, San Pietro in Vatican e San Giovanni in Laterano which sis in the Lateran district which was just inside the walls of the city at that time. I don't remember to whom each balongs if there not a shism but St. Peter's would be the basilica of the Patriarch of Constantinople, St. John's would be the Bishop of Rome's, and the other = two to the Patriarch of Antioch and the Patriarch of Jerusalem but I don't remember which one gets which. But since there was schism none of those is represented and since the end of the middle ages the pope moved into the vatican (which is the patriarch of constantinople's residence in Rome)and that was because everyone rightfully wanted to kill him but he was = protected by la fortezza di Sant'Angelo or Hadrian's Tomb to many of us. Blah, blah, blah.  
(back) Subject: Re: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity of Anglican Orders ,etc. From: <WmChasBeck@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:02:27 EST     --part1_34.224a2894.2993f103_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/7/2002 6:01:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > since the end of the middle ages the pope moved into the > vatican (which is the patriarch of constantinople's residence in = Rome)and > that was because everyone rightfully wanted to kill him   I really didn't sign on to this list to read hate-speech posts. What a wonderfully Christ-like comment.   William Beck Organist & Director of Music St. Cyril of Jerusalem Church Encino, California   --part1_34.224a2894.2993f103_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#400080" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Book Antiqua" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated = 2/7/2002 6:01:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org = writes:<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">since the end of = the middle ages the pope moved into the<BR> vatican (which is the patriarch of constantinople's residence in = Rome)and<BR> that was because everyone rightfully wanted to kill him </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#400080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Book Antiqua" LANG=3D"0"><BR> I really didn't sign on to this list to read hate-speech posts.&nbsp; What = a wonderfully Christ-like comment.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> William Beck<BR> Organist &amp; Director of Music<BR> St. Cyril of Jerusalem Church<BR> Encino, California</FONT></HTML>   --part1_34.224a2894.2993f103_boundary--  
(back) Subject: On Swedes & Norwegians in various localities From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:52:52 -0600   Dear List,   I have a friend who has nothing short of an Encyclopedic knowledge with respect to matters pertaining to the various church denominations' lineage and history. Following is a post he sent me last evening, and with his permission, I'd like to share this with the list.   Faithfully, Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL   Forwarded posting follows:   > Cleng Peerson, from the Northern IL settlement (commonly known > as the Fox River Norwegian Settlement...which was the very first > permanent Norwegian settlement in the United State...it is in > Kendall, Grundy and LaSalle Counties) went scouting around and > found an area that he thought resembled Norway. That area is > south and slightly southwest of Dallas Fort Worth and north > of Waco. The center of this is Clifton, Texas, and also the > little town of Cranfills Gap, with its St. Olaf Lutheran Church. > They do have a lutefisk festival in one of these towns. The > Norwegians in Texas generally affilicated with the Norwegian > Synod (Decorah, IA) which was the synod that trained its pastors > in St. Louis. They were farther removed from mid-west Norwegians, > and did not split over the predestination controversy that the > Mo. Synod caused up north. They founded Clifton College in > Clifton Texas, which merged in the 1950's with Texas Lutheran > College (ALC) in Segoin sp?). I attended worship in Central > Lutheran in Dallas, and expected that by know there might not > be very many Norwegians (or people with historical awareness) > left, but was surprised to find that it was still a Norwegian > bunch of people. I brought some pictures of the altar and > chancel area of Pontoppidan with me, and when I showed it to > some of the people they began to remark..."Wev'e been there, > that's St. Olaf's, Cranfill's Gap". I of course had to > tell them, "No, this is Pontoppidan, Elliott, IL, and we > are still worshipping in our original building of 1881". > Many of the people at Central Lutheran, Dallas had ties > to the former Cliton College, and one lady said that her > uncle was the last president of Clifton College before > merger. What was the College is now a home for the aged, > and someone had a relative that works at that home. There > are three churches in Dallas that were founded by the > Norwegians, but the third church, "King of Glory" is > the newest congregation, and not really a "Norwegian > place" as such. It was an outreach as the city grew. > To top it all off, they had an interim pastor who was > originally from Lindsborg, Kansas, (which means he is > a Swede) and he knew my friend Peter Nelsons grand- > parents.  
(back) Subject: On Norwegians & Swedes (second instalment) From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:55:15 -0600   Following is a second installment by my friend Bill Ogg with respect to the Swede/Norwegian history.   Faithfully, -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL     Forwarded post follows:   > The Norwegians in America are known as the "tee-totalers" > of American Lutheranism. The Norwegians are the "low church" > people. Denmark ruled Norway for almost 400 years. This is > know in Norwegian history as the "long night of 400 years". > Denmark wanted to make Danish the official language of Norway. > Pastors were trained in Denmark. Then the Church of Denmark > appointed Erik Pontoppidan to be the bishop of Bergen, which > meant bishop of all Norway. Bishop Pontoppidan was very much > an evangelical. He translated Martin Luthers Catechisms into > the Norwegian Language, and added his own commentary and his > own explanation, which is know in Lutheran circles as very > pietistic...emphasis on a personal relationship between the > believer and God. This was the first time the Norwegian people > had the catechism in their own language, and the first time > that the masses had it to read. Next, Bishop Pontoppidan > was responsible for passage of a law in Norway that everyone > must learn to read and write. This was so people could learn > the catechism. This caused a revival in the state controlled > Lutheran Church, and has a pietistic impact on the commoners > or the peasants. Of course the upper class had learned the > Danish Language, and had learned the elements of the faith > without the pietistic emphasis. It was not the uppper > class, but of course the peasants, who ran out of farm > land and ways of supporting themselves, who came to America. > Thus those are the ones with the low church emphasis. This > also explains why some Norwegians spell their last names > with "sen", such as F. Melius Christiansen, because that > was the Danish way. While most of the Norwegians who > lived in remote areas did not learn Danish, and still used > the old Norse (also Icelandic) way...Johnson, Christianson, > and the peasant class changed names every generation, because > John Christianson's son would be Erick Johnson, and his son > would be Lars Erickson, and his son would be Hans Larson, > and his daughter would be Ingrid Hansdottir.  
(back) Subject: Re: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity of Anglican Orders ,etc. From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:51:35 -0500   Dear Mr. Beck,   I hate to use on you that detested phrase "lighten up," because I hate it when it is used on me to shut me up about something I am really serious about. However, you must admit at least that certain of the historical = popes were worthy of being offed at various times now far removed from our own.   Secondly, I must defend my friend Robert from the charge of "hate-speech." Robert has a "wry" relationship with the church from which he sprang, and = a humor about it that you might have missed. Have you ever heard us Episcopalians dishing one another? Robert is incapable of "hate-speech."   Thirdly, may I respectfully suggest that you submit your postings to the list in Plain Text form. Sending in Rich Text, HTML format really = flummoxes quite a number of people on both Pipechat and PipOrg-L to the point where some cannot read the posting at all, or receive them as attachments that they cannot open. Furthermore, if they use the "reply" function to respond to you onlist, their response will be forced into Rich Text format as = well, thereby exacerbating the problem yet more.   I don't mean to be bossy - just trying to be helpful and possibly failing!   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler     ----- Original Message ----- From: WmChasBeck@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:02 AM Subject: Re: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity of Anglican Orders ,etc.   In a message dated 2/7/2002 6:01:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:   since the end of the middle ages the pope moved into the vatican (which is the patriarch of constantinople's residence in Rome)and that was because everyone rightfully wanted to kill him   Mr. Beck responds" "I really didn't sign on to this list to read hate-speech posts. What a wonderfully Christ-like comment."   William Beck Organist & Director of Music St. Cyril of Jerusalem Church Encino, California      
(back) Subject: Re: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity ofAnglicanOrders,etc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:28:40 -0800   Ross & Lynda Wards wrote:   > Well, the Anglican Church in New Zealand would never to submit to any = kind > of primacy of Rome. There was considerable consternation over that > announcement you have referred to. I bet the CofE wouldn't take it = either, > whatever a handful of "spokesmen" might say. > Ross   Neither would THIS Anglican (grin).   The present ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY is in DEEP hot water in the U.S. = RIGHT NOW for invading the dioceses of American bishops without an invitation, and = for trying to exercise some kind of "universal jurisdiction" over American EPISCOPALIANS.   Accept ROME? When pigs become aerodynamic! (grin)   Now, I will grant you, NO scheme of Christian reunion can IGNORE Rome ... that's like trying to ignore the elephant in the front parlour (grin). But = just because Rome is the BIGGEST does NOT make Rome RIGHT on any given issue, INCLUDING universal jurisdiction.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity ofAnglicanOrders,e tc. From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:32:18 -0500       >Accept ROME? When pigs become aerodynamic! (grin)   Careful what you say, Ron, they just may clone one!!  
(back) Subject: Re: On Norwegians and Swedes From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:44:54 EST   arpschneider@starband.net forwards:   >That area is > south and slightly southwest of Dallas Fort Worth and north > of Waco. The center of this is Clifton, Texas, and also the > little town of Cranfills Gap, with its St. Olaf Lutheran Church. > They do have a lutefisk festival in one of these towns. <<   Richard:   Your source must have considerable credibility as his geographic = description of the locale in central Texas is amazingly accurate. Clifton and = Cranfills Gap are located in Bosque County (pronounced Bhas-kee) and are the exact locations I referenced in my original post about Norwegian Lutherans and their heritage.   Texas Lutheran College (now University) is located in Seguin (pronounced suh-geen) and is situated about 35 miles east of San Antonio, Texas. The school was previously located in nearby Brenham, Texas where it was = founded. Texas Lutheran College moved to Sequin in 1912 and is affiliated with the Evangelican Lutheran Church of America.   Obviously this does little for further research into Norwegian Lutheran worship but it does get the geography nailed down. :)   I shall defer to your friend's depth of knowledge and the facts shall = remain weighted in his favor until apparent need to further investigate, which at =   the moment I do not forsee. I rather think that TLU has an organ on = campus. (Just an attempt to keep the discussion on topic) Considering the wealth = of knowlege you have shared with us on this subject (and your source) perhaps = I should investigate the o-r-g-a-n-s of Norwegian Lutherans and leave the geneology of their migration, growth, and faith to others.   Thank you, Richard, for sharing this data with the list. It is an interesting read.   Best wishes, Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity ofAnglicanOrders,e tc. From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:57:58 -0600   Ron?   -----Original Message----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:32 AM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity ofAnglicanOrders,e tc.         >Accept ROME? When pigs become aerodynamic! (grin)   Careful what you say, Ron, they just may clone one!!   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validityofAnglicanOrders,e tc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:04:20 -0800   That was me, BUD, that said that (grin).   "Storandt, Peter" wrote:   > Ron? > > -----Original Message----- > From: COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:32 AM > To: 'PipeChat' > Subject: RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity > ofAnglicanOrders,e tc. > > >Accept ROME? When pigs become aerodynamic! (grin) > > Careful what you say, Ron, they just may clone one!! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validityofAnglicanOrders,e tc. From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:05:03 -0500   Oops. Bud.   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:04 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validityofAnglicanOrders,e tc.     That was me, BUD, that said that (grin).   "Storandt, Peter" wrote:   > Ron? > > -----Original Message----- > From: COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:32 AM > To: 'PipeChat' > Subject: RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validity > ofAnglicanOrders,e tc. > > >Accept ROME? When pigs become aerodynamic! (grin) > > Careful what you say, Ron, they just may clone one!! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validityofAnglicanOrders,e tc. From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:06:07 -0500   Are you sure? And shouldn't that then read, "That was I, BUD."?   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:04 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validityofAnglicanOrders,e tc.     That was me, BUD, that said that (grin).   "Storandt, Peter" wrote:   > Ron? > >  
(back) Subject: RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validityofAnglicanOrders,e tc. From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:08:43 -0600   Now we're getting somewhere....   -----Original Message----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:06 AM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validityofAnglicanOrders,e tc.     Are you sure? And shouldn't that then read, "That was I, BUD."?   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:04 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: *WAY* OFF-TOPIC: Leo XIII and the validityofAnglicanOrders,e tc.     That was me, BUD, that said that (grin).   "Storandt, Peter" wrote:   > Ron? > >   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: en chamade From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:04:31 -0500   Just a day or so ago a bit on the over loud trompette en chamades that = have often "filled" our ears was being tossed about. I just came from St. Thomas's web site (5th ave 53rd st NYC) and remembered back in the 1960s when I last heard that organ and just before around the time of Gil Adams touch, the trompette en chamade there was soooooooooooooo loud and horrid, = I have to say, it really was horrid. Does anyone here know if it's still horrid and freightening? It was almost comical, no it was comical to watch people's faces when anyone used the stop. I can say, fortunately, that = only twice was it used when I attended any concerts, and Germani did not use = it in his complete Bach recitals, thanks be to any and all superior beings in the area.   Robert B. Colasacco Administrative Assistant/Secretary Distinguished Colleagues Population Council One Dag Hammarskjold Plaza New York, NY 10017 Direct Telephone: (212) 339-0685 Main Telephone: (212) 339-0500 Fax: (212) 755-6052 e-mail: rcolasacco@popcouncil.org Visit our web site: www.popcouncil.org    
(back) Subject: RE: en chamade From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:07:29 -0600   In dozens of services and recitals I have attended at that church, I have never heard this stop used. Is it still there?   -----Original Message----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:05 PM To: 'pipechat@pipechat.org' Subject: en chamade     Just a day or so ago a bit on the over loud trompette en chamades that = have often "filled" our ears was being tossed about. I just came from St. Thomas's web site (5th ave 53rd st NYC) and remembered back in the 1960s when I last heard that organ and just before around the time of Gil Adams touch, the trompette en chamade there was soooooooooooooo loud and horrid, = I have to say, it really was horrid. Does anyone here know if it's still horrid and freightening? It was almost comical, no it was comical to watch people's faces when anyone used the stop. I can say, fortunately, that = only twice was it used when I attended any concerts, and Germani did not use = it in his complete Bach recitals, thanks be to any and all superior beings in the area.   Robert B. Colasacco Administrative Assistant/Secretary Distinguished Colleagues Population Council One Dag Hammarskjold Plaza New York, NY 10017 Direct Telephone: (212) 339-0685 Main Telephone: (212) 339-0500 Fax: (212) 755-6052 e-mail: rcolasacco@popcouncil.org Visit our web site: www.popcouncil.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org