PipeChat Digest #2705 - Thursday, February 14, 2002
 
Re: Ash Wednesday for the unrepentent  masses
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
How my Lent really began...
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
Re: How my Lent really began...
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Cincinnati
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: How my Lent really began...
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
PIPORG-L
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: PIPORG-L
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Service music
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Service music
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Lenten Guestion?
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Lenten Guestion?
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, LONGVIEW, TEXAS
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
Re: How my Lent really began...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: How my Lent really began...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Ash Wednesday for the unrepentent masses From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:52:26 -0600   At 09:18 AM 2/14/02 -0800, you wrote:     >We had a good crowd last night, So did we...the church was full and the majority opted to go forward for the ashes. Music was also good. Our choir seems to grow every time we get =   together.   jch    
(back) Subject: How my Lent really began... From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:00:27 -0500   Our UMC Ash Wednesday Service was designed to be a "blended" affair. This to foreshadow the debut of our new Contemporary Worship Service this Sunday at 11. The "traditional service" having been bumped off its 10:15 timeslot to an asymmetric 9:40 A.M. Twenty minutes between services. But that's another matter.   We used organ on the first hymn only; that's why I was there. (Oh, I played during Communion, and some piano/organ duets. I live to serve.) Then the new Contemporary Worship Music director took over at the piano. As a musician, I was shocked that I couldn't really participate in the singing, because, despite the text projected on a huge new screen which covered the regular altar and cross (ironic symbolism there..), I couldn't follow the melodies or learn them quickly enough. I must be retarded in some aural way. They were pretty tunes, but unpredictable. Here a long-held note, here a quick jazzy rhythm, then an extended melisma on a word that didn't really merit it. The new director has a nice voice, great keyboard skills. I think I would have been happier just listening, I felt inadequate as a singer. (I teach high school chorus all day, so... it's not like singing is foreign. I'll chalk this up to me being paper trained and being BEHIND the screen, which made the backwards words somewhat exotic to follow.   But the thing which almost brought me to tears or a fit of pique was when the new contemporary lady said to me "This Ash Wednesday thing is really irrelevant to MY faith. I was brought up Southern Baptist, EVERY Sunday is Easter to me, and I certainly don't need forty days to think about it." Perhaps it was the smiling, self-confident delivery. I held onto myself very well. It was later at home that I launched into a violent fit of housecleaning.   Perhaps only people on this list could appreciate the sinking feeling of despair, the realism of "this is where the church is", and the sadness at the the increasing loss of the Liturgical Year in American worship. The Methodist churches I've served have never been THAT liturgical, but to hear this philosophy from the newest member of our staff was daunting indeed.   Chuck Peery Cincinnati    
(back) Subject: Re: How my Lent really began... From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:02:55 -0500   Is there not a senior minister here with a brain and a modicum of taste? = Is the make up of the congregation such that they really want this to happen = - the death of the use of the organ in worship? Your despair about thinking that "this is where the church is" is, I hope, not entirely accurate for = the church at large. The two UMC churches around here that I know pretty well would have a riot on their hands if anyone tried to impose what you = describe on them. They are proud of their strong Methodist tradition of singing the great hymns of the church, and both have good and well-kept organs, one of these churches just having replaced an electronic substitute with a fine instrument from the Organ Clearing House. They respect and support their organists, who have built and maintained for them choirs that add great beauty to their worship.   I can't pretend to know if up here in Fairfield County, CT, we are in some specially blessed place, breathing pure air and thinking only pure thoughts - the area has the reputation of being very rich. It is a true = fact (!) however that one of these churches does not have great wealth, and has to work hard for everything it gets. It was a great parish effort that = made possible the acquisition of a fine old pipe organ, saving enormous amounts of money over what a new one would have cost, and providing a good and loving home to an instrument of real worth. The other UMC church is the biggest in the area, an old and stable congregation that has been well shepherded over the years.   I feel your pain. If the congregation does not want the organ, and the senior minister is happy to go along, I hope in Cincinnati somewhere, = there is another church that will want what you have to offer.   Good luck to you,   Malcolm Wechsler   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: How my Lent really began...     > Our UMC Ash Wednesday Service was designed to be a "blended" affair. > This to foreshadow the debut of our new Contemporary Worship Service > this Sunday at 11. The "traditional service" having been bumped off its > 10:15 timeslot to an asymmetric 9:40 A.M. Twenty minutes between > services. But that's another matter. > > We used organ on the first hymn only; that's why I was there. (Oh, I > played during Communion, and some piano/organ duets. I live to serve.) > Then the new Contemporary Worship Music director took over at the > piano.      
(back) Subject: Cincinnati From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:27:26 -0800   Cincinnati isn't the greatest pickings, liturgy-wise OR music-wise.   The old anglo-catholic church, St. Michael and All Angels in Avondale, has gone the way of all flesh in both departments, unless somebody has taken it over recently.   I don't know what some of the formerly snake's-belly-low churches are doing now ...   I hear they use INCENSE occasionally at Christ Church Cathedral (chuckle). This is the place where, when it was still a parish church, they had MORNING PRAYER on EASTER DAY, *unless* it fell on the first Sunday of the month (grin).   Old St. Mary's RC in Over-the-Rhine maintains a respectable Novus Ordo Mass in Latin, with mostly renaissance polyphony and a small paid choir.   Unfortunately, St. Gertrude the Great RC, the renegade Tridentine parish out in Sharonville, doesn't do much of anything.   There's a sanctioned Tridentine Mass at St. Monica's in Clifton, and they got a small Holtkamp to replace their moribund Kilgen, but I don't know anything about the music.   I understand the music at St. Peter-In-Chains RC Cathedral is FINALLY in competent hands, but I don't know details.   Rick Foegler has been at St. Catharine of Siena RC in Westwood practically ever since we graduated from college, but I don't know what kind of program he has now ... it used to be men and boys under the late Michael Mantz.   I don't know much about the protestant churches, obviously (grin) ... I guess there ARE some (chuckle), but Cincinnati is more than 60% Roman Catholic.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: How my Lent really began... From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:49:32 +1300   As an Anglican clergyman, I would have been shocked also - and probably sacked the person on the spot, if she had somehow got the job without my discovering first what she was like. I, too, have had lots of experience in choirs - including the Cathedral choir in Wellington where I was Assistant Organist, yet increasingly I = find I can't join in the music (I've retired recently to another parish) for several reasons: 1. the music is total junk melodically 2. the music is total junk harmonically 3. the words are total junk theologically 4. the words are total junk poetically 5. ther tessitura is too high for a basso profundo like me, and yet there is no possibility of improvising a bass part 6. the rhythms (so-called) are unable to be sung by people without a = great deal of practice 7. fitting the words to the music is worse than Anglican chant, where at least the irregularities were consistent (if you know what I mean)   Regarding my No.6 here - if a lot of this new stuff is so simple, why do = the music groups need to practise so many hours before they "lead" the singing on Sundays?   At the Ash Wednesday service in the parish here, there was no music at = all, as presumably the Vicar forgot to organise some. I could have played, = better than the organist, but no one asked me.   Ssssccccccrrrrrrrreeeeeeeaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmm!!!!!!   Ross (in NZ)     -----Original Message----- From: Charles Peery <cepeery@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:01 AM Subject: How my Lent really began...     >Our UMC Ash Wednesday Service was designed to be a "blended" affair. >This to foreshadow the debut of our new Contemporary Worship Service >this Sunday at 11. The "traditional service" having been bumped off its >10:15 timeslot to an asymmetric 9:40 A.M. Twenty minutes between >services. But that's another matter. > >We used organ on the first hymn only; that's why I was there. (Oh, I >played during Communion, and some piano/organ duets. I live to serve.) >Then the new Contemporary Worship Music director took over at the >piano. As a musician, I was shocked that I couldn't really participate >in the singing, because, despite the text projected on a huge new screen >which covered the regular altar and cross (ironic symbolism there..), I >couldn't follow the melodies or learn them quickly enough. I must be >retarded in some aural way. They were pretty tunes, but unpredictable. >Here a long-held note, here a quick jazzy rhythm, then an extended >melisma on a word that didn't really merit it. The new director has a >nice voice, great keyboard skills. I think I would have been happier >just listening, I felt inadequate as a singer. (I teach high school >chorus all day, so... it's not like singing is foreign. I'll chalk this >up to me being paper trained and being BEHIND the screen, which made the >backwards words somewhat exotic to follow. > >But the thing which almost brought me to tears or a fit of pique was >when the new contemporary lady said to me "This Ash Wednesday thing is >really irrelevant to MY faith. I was brought up Southern Baptist, EVERY >Sunday is Easter to me, and I certainly don't need forty days to think >about it." Perhaps it was the smiling, self-confident delivery. I held >onto myself very well. It was later at home that I launched into a >violent fit of housecleaning. > >Perhaps only people on this list could appreciate the sinking feeling of >despair, the realism of "this is where the church is", and the sadness >at the the increasing loss of the Liturgical Year in American worship. >The Methodist churches I've served have never been THAT liturgical, but >to hear this philosophy from the newest member of our staff was daunting >indeed. > >Chuck Peery >Cincinnati > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: PIPORG-L From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:29:38 -0600   I think Bud must have some sort of prophetic powers by mentioning removal from the above-named. Rick downloaded my e-mail for me tonight, and there was a message that I was removed from PIPORG-L. No stated reason - I have no idea of my transgression(s), although I'm certain they are legion. I think it is a sign from God, and will not be seeking to return.   However, if anything was posted about my sins, I am curious - someone please let me know (preferably someone sympathetic). During Lent is the time to repent.   Regards,   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Re: PIPORG-L From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:48:54 -0800   I am moved to start something akin to the old "Cardinal's Carpet Club" in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles (grin) ... priests who had been chewed out = by old Cardinal McIntyre (chuckle).   No reason given, huh? I received a THOROUGH tongue-lashing by Master Chi before I was put to "no-post," calling into question ... oh what the hell .... why go into all THAT? That's why PipeChat and OrganChat EXIST, or at least why they STARTED.   Glenda wrote:   > I think Bud must have some sort of prophetic powers by mentioning > removal from the above-named. Rick downloaded my e-mail for me tonight, > and there was a message that I was removed from PIPORG-L. No stated > reason - I have no idea of my transgression(s), although I'm certain > they are legion.   For starters, you wrote about (shudder, gasp) CHURCH organ things. There = ARE no organs in churches, or organists who play them. Didn't you KNOW that? (grin)   "Read the GUIDELINES."   > I think it is a sign from God, and will not be seeking > to return.   I think God has very little to do with it (chuckle). But then, unlike = some, I don't propose to speak for God, OR exercise His powers (grin).   > However, if anything was posted about my sins, I am curious - someone > please let me know (preferably someone sympathetic). During Lent is the > time to repent. > > Regards, > > Glenda Sutton >   All joking aside, when one person tells another what to say or think ... = "on that road lies danger", to quote the Bene Gesseret.   Cheers,   A TOTALLY Unrepentant and NEVER Silent Bud    
(back) Subject: Service music From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:48:40 -0600   Someone wrote me regarding the Schubert service music, which made me wonder what your favorite service music set is to play and/or sing. Of all that I've experienced, I really like the Willan Gloria and Agnus Dei.   Just curious.   Glenda Sutton            
(back) Subject: Re: Service music From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:16:35 -0800   ABM, ABW.   ANYTHING *but* Merbecke; ANYTHING *but* Willan (chuckle).   I'm about as old as the 1940 Hymnal; it's time to retire us both (grin).   I like the 3rd Service (Oldroyd) and the 4th Service (Mass IX), but we = only get to do them sporadically when You-Know-Who is in a good mood.   I tried to introduce the Yon "Missa Pastorale" at Christmastime; my congregation HATED it. THAT has to be a FIRST *ever* (grin).   AH! The Bairstow Service in E Flat (the Sanctus is #737 in the back of the 1940); it's a "Complete Day's Service" ... the Mag and the Nunc are nice too. I don't know the Morning Canticles.   I'm rather fond of the Langlais Missa in simplicitate, though I don't care much for the Gloria or Credo. But THAT would set their HAIR on fire (chuckle). Maybe I'll specify it for my FUNERAL (grin).   The de Klerk Missa ad Modum Tubae is fun, but very few people in this country have it or know of it. I think Annie Bank Editions in Holland = still publishes it.   I like the Schubert Mass in C better than his Mass in G, for no particular reason.   Cheers,   Bud   Glenda wrote:   > Someone wrote me regarding the Schubert service music, which made me > wonder what your favorite service music set is to play and/or sing. Of > all that I've experienced, I really like the Willan Gloria and Agnus > Dei. > > Just curious. > > Glenda Sutton > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Lenten Guestion? From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:57:52 -0500   Did Jesus ever hear a pipe organ or the Roman equivalent?   What instruments did He hear in his lifetime   And how can this be conveyed to all of the faithful in your churches?   Stan    
(back) Subject: Re: Lenten Guestion? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:39:47 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> To: <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu>; "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: Lenten Guestion?     > Did Jesus ever hear a pipe organ or the Roman equivalent?   The answer to this question is probably yes. The organ was invented a couple centuries before Christ by Ctesibus of Alexandria, and was in = fairly widespread use throughout the Roman Empire by the first century CE. This particular form of organ was known as a "hydraulis" or water-organ owing = to the use of water to stabilise the wind pressure. There was a single keyboard of an octave or two and generally three or four stops. There is known to have been an organ (presumably connected with the Roman garrison) in Jerusalem at the time of Christ, and it is said that it was so powerful that it could be heard from the Mount of Olives outside the city. So = Jesus may well have heard it. The instrument was frowned on in Jewish circles, being associated with the colonial power, and in particular with pagan entertainments such as gladiatorial shows, throwing people to the lions, etc. The Emperor Nero is said to have been a particularly fine player, so instead of fiddling while Rome burned ...   John Speller    
(back) Subject: FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, LONGVIEW, TEXAS From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:29:11 -0800 (PST)   I have had several requests for the stoplist of the Aeolian-Skinner organ at the First Bsptist Church of Longview, Texas. Here it is:   AEOLIAN-SKINNER ORGAN, OPUS 1173, 1951.   GREAT:   16' Quintaton - 61 pipes 8' Principal - 61 pipes 8' Flute Harmonique - 61 pipes 8' Spitzflote - 61 pipes 4' Octave - 61 pipes 4' Flute Couverte - 61 pipes 2 2/3' Twelfth - 61 pipes 2' Fifteenth - 61 pipes Fourniture VI - 366 pipes Cymbel IV - 244 pipes Tremulant (on blank drawknob) Harp - 49 notes Celesta (from Harp) Chimes (25 notes)   SWELL:   16' Gedeckt - 73 pipes 8' Geigen Principal - 73 pipes 8' Gedeckt - 12 pipes 8' Viole de Gambe - 73 pipes 8' Viole Celeste - 73 pipes 8' Flute Celeste II - 134 pipes 4' Principal - 73 pipes 4' Flute Triangulaire - 73 pipes 2 2/3' Nazard - 61 pipes 2' Octavin - 61 pipes Plein Jeu III - 183 pipes Scharff III -183 pipes 16' Bombarde - 73 pipes 8' Trompette - 73 pipes 8' Hautbois - 73 pipes 8' Vox Humana - 73 pipes 4' Clairon - 73 pipes Tremulant   POSITIV:   8' Cor de Nuit - 61 pipes 4' Nachthorn - 61 pipes 2 2/3' Nasat - 61 pipes 2' Blockflote - 61 pipes 1 3/5' Terz - 61 pipes 1' Sifflote - 61 pipes   CHOIR:   8' Concert Flute - 73 pipes 8' Viola - 73 pipes 8' Viola Celeste - 73 pipes 8' Dolcan - 73 pipes 8' Dolcan Celeste - 61 pipes 8' Gamba Celeste II - 146 pipes 4' Spitzprinzipal - 73 pipes Kleinmixtur III - 183 pipes 16' Fagot - 73 pipes 8' Trompette - 73 pipes 8' English Horn - 73 pipes 4' Cromorne - 73 pipes Tremulant Harp (Gt.) Celesta (Gt.)   BOMBARDE:   16' Bombarde (prep) 8' Trompette Harmonique - 61 pipes (hooded) 4' Clairon Harmonique - 61 pipes (hooded) Cornet VI - 306 pipes   GALLERY:   8' Bourdon - 61 pipes 4' Principal - 61 pipes Plein Jeu IV - 244 pipes Chimes (Gt.)   PEDAL:   32' Bourdon - 5 pipes (CCCC-FFFF#, Resultant; GGGG- BBBB, real 32' pipes) 16' Contre Bass - 32 pipes (wood) 16' Bourdon - 32 pipes 16' Contre Viola - 32 pipes 16' Gedeckt (Sw.) 16' Quintaton (Gt.) 8' Principal - 32 pipes 8' Spitzflote - 32 pipes 8' Bourdon - 12 pipes 8' Viola - 12 pipes 8' Gedeckt (Sw.) 4' Choral Bass - 32 pipes 4' Nachthorn - 32 pipes Fourniture III (5 1/3', 2 2/3', 2') 32' Bombarde - 12 pipes (in Sw., half length) 16' Ophecleide - 32 pipes 16' Bombarde (Sw.) 8' Posaune - 12 pipes 4' Clarion - 12 pipes 16' Gallery Bourdon - 12 pipes         =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D D. Keith Morgan, RPT Pipe Organ & Piano Service 400 Conditt Circle Denton, Texas 76209-4861 (940) 382-0348 dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: How my Lent really began... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:45:52 EST     --part1_82.179e662f.299dfa90_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/14/02 7:03:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, manderusa@earthlink.net writes:     > Is there not a senior minister here with a brain and a modicum of taste? = Is > the make up of the congregation such that they really want this to = happen - > the death of the use of the organ in worship? Your despair about = thinking > that "this is where the church is" is, I hope, not entirely accurate for = the > church at large.   Come south, Malcolm. THe UMCs are getting worserer and worserer. I've =   been taught that the architecture of a church building reflects the = theology. A perfect example is a new UMC recently built here. From the road is looks like a hugh cathedral with a large cruciform building with a great tower, a dome, and a large stained glass window on the front. Alas, = they have no "sanctuary" at this point. The cruciform building is the = fellership hall complete with 8' hung acoustical tile ceilings, wall-to-wall-to-wall-to-wall carpeting complete with lines for playing basketball! The music "stuff" makes the room look like a Marriott = ballroom ready for a Grand Ole Oprey awards dinner. The great dome simply houses = a stairwell, and the stained glass window is not visible from inside of the building. This building says, "Our religion is all external... we are really here to have fun!"   Vive la mega churches!   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_82.179e662f.299dfa90_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 2/14/02 7:03:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, manderusa@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Is there not a = senior minister here with a brain and a modicum of taste? Is <BR>the make up of the congregation such that they really want this to = happen - <BR>the death of the use of the organ in worship? Your despair about = thinking <BR>that "this is where the church is" is, I hope, not entirely accurate = for the <BR>church at large.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Come south, Malcolm. &nbsp;&nbsp;THe UMCs are getting worserer and = worserer. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I've been taught that the architecture of a = church building reflects the theology. &nbsp;&nbsp;A perfect example is a = new UMC recently built here. &nbsp;&nbsp;From the road is looks like a = hugh cathedral with a large cruciform building with a great tower, a dome, = and a large stained glass window on the front. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Alas, they have no "sanctuary" at this point. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The cruciform building is the fellership hall complete with 8' = hung acoustical tile ceilings, wall-to-wall-to-wall-to-wall carpeting = complete with lines for playing basketball! &nbsp;&nbsp;The music "stuff" = makes the room look like a Marriott ballroom ready for a Grand Ole Oprey = awards dinner. &nbsp;&nbsp;The great dome simply houses a stairwell, and = the stained glass window is not visible from inside of the building. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This building says, "Our religion is all external... we = are really h <BR> <BR>Vive la mega churches! <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_82.179e662f.299dfa90_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: How my Lent really began... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:47:26 EST     --part1_192.2479f4f.299dfaee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/14/02 7:31:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes:     > Regarding my No.6 here - if a lot of this new stuff is so simple, why do = the > music groups need to practise so many hours before they "lead" the = singing > on Sundays? >   A contemporary group practices???? cool!   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_192.2479f4f.299dfaee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 2/14/02 7:31:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Regarding my No.6 = here - if a lot of this new stuff is so simple, why do the <BR>music groups need to practise so many hours before they "lead" the = singing <BR>on Sundays? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>A contemporary group practices???? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;cool! <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_192.2479f4f.299dfaee_boundary--