PipeChat Digest #2713 - Tuesday, February 19, 2002
 
Re: Wildlife in Ipswich
  by "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Re: What to do for a depressed friend?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: What to do for a depressed friend?
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: What to do for a depressed friend?
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Trivia question: "Only a musician"
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: What to do for a depressed friend?
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: What to do for a depressed friend?
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
RE: A pleasant sort of macabre Lent in hell
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Wildlife in Ipswich
  by "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com>
doing the job
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: What to do for a depressed friend?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: What to do for a depressed friend?
  by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net>
Movie Organ x-posted
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Wildlife in Ipswich From: "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:16:53 -0500   Stan,   When I stop ROFLMAO, I will reply. Right now am working on resume as = State is laying me, and 300 others in my office, off within the next two weeks.   Mack     Stanley Lowkis wrote:   > an Idiot replies: > > We had a situation in our family recently with a Culturally well = Veneered > sociopath-organist wedged himself between our family and friends in > New York State. > > This is NOT Arthur. Mack, you may know the name of the Sociopath that > I am speaking about. > > and how are you doing, Mack? Things are ok in Ipswich. > > ..and I never did get a good response to the overhead chicken wire Post. > Hmmph! > > Stan > :) :) :) > > "The Ozone Makes It all Worthwhile" > > seriously folks, I have a skunk runnin' around the house and garage. > It smells bad and woke me up. Pretty animal, but very thin. > Jasmine, my cat, gets 'nuts' when this skunk shows up. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: What to do for a depressed friend? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:49:23 EST     --part1_190.27a81a4.29a2ed03_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/18/02 12:45:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, pemmons@wcupa.edu writes:     > I am worried about an organist friend whom I used to get together with = often > but, after he changed jobs a few months ago, our paths just don't cross, = so > I haven't seen him for awhile. >   Paul, It deeply saddens me that your friend is experiencing the results of = career let-down. I, too have been through this... off and on for the past ten years, but consistently and intensely for the past two years. I really hesitate to write this to the whole list, but will in hopes that just = maybe some lives may be touched and others changed.   First of all, many (not all) churches are severely lacking in sympathy and =   support for organists and other traditional church musicians.   Even worse, organists (not all, but, again, many) are notious for being uncaring and even cruel to their colleagues. Just read a few posts on = the "lists." I see very little evidence of organists caring for each other = as colleagues or as "other people." It almost seems as though many/some = enjoy doing damage to other people.   In recent weeks I have experienced significant encouragment and prayerful help from friends on non-organist lists. I NEVER again will expose = myself to the venom and cruelty of other organists.   My advice to you regarding your friend is to seek him out, talk to him and =   find out/discern what he needs, and then do your best to help him. Not = just lip service and pats on the back, but real and significant help. It = might even cost money, but very often the cause of clinical depression is not as =   much "chemical" as it is "financial."   If you friend is, indeed, becoming self-destructive or suicidal NOW is the =   time to help. Suicidal behavior is not necessarily a "cry for help" but = in many cases is simply a response to being emotionally neglected (unappreciated) by others and feeling that nothing they do is worthwhile. = If financial problems are present, the feeling of uselessness is exacerbated = by them. It just become too apparent to the person that there is just no reason to go on, and if they did decide to persevere that the world is not =   the kind of place they want to live in anyway.   You friend needs to know that he is cared for and that you are willing to = go the extra mile for him, even to the point of significant financial help if =   that is part of the problem. We are told in Scripture to give out of our need, not out of our bounty.   I hope that you will keep me posted on his progress.   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_190.27a81a4.29a2ed03_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 2/18/02 12:45:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, pemmons@wcupa.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am worried about = an organist friend whom I used to get together with often <BR>but, after he changed jobs a few months ago, our paths just don't = cross, so <BR>I haven't seen him for awhile. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Paul, <BR>It deeply saddens me that your friend is experiencing the results of = career let-down. &nbsp;I, too have been through this... &nbsp;off and on = for the past ten years, but consistently and intensely for the past two = years. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I really hesitate to write this to the whole = list, but will in hopes that just maybe some lives may be touched and others changed. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>First of all, many (not all) churches are severely lacking in sympathy = and support for organists and other traditional church musicians. <BR> <BR>Even worse, organists (not all, but, again, many) are notious for = being uncaring and even cruel to their colleagues. &nbsp;&nbsp;Just read a = few posts on the "lists." &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I see very little evidence of = organists caring for each other as colleagues or as "other people." = &nbsp;&nbsp;It almost seems as though many/some enjoy doing damage to = other people. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>In recent weeks I have experienced significant encouragment and = prayerful help from friends on non-organist lists. &nbsp;&nbsp;I NEVER = again will expose myself to the venom and cruelty of other organists. <BR> <BR>My advice to you regarding your friend is to seek him out, talk to him = and find out/discern what he needs, and then do your best to help him. = &nbsp;Not just lip service and pats on the back, but real and significant = help. &nbsp;&nbsp;It might even cost money, but very often the cause of = clinical depression is not as much "chemical" as it is "financial." = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>If you friend is, indeed, becoming self-destructive or suicidal NOW is = the time to help. &nbsp;&nbsp;Suicidal behavior is not necessarily a "cry = for help" but in many cases is simply a response to being emotionally = neglected (unappreciated) by others and feeling that nothing they do is = worthwhile. &nbsp;If financial problems are present, the feeling of = uselessness is exacerbated by them. &nbsp;&nbsp;It just become too = apparent to the person that there is just no reason to go on, and if they = did decide to persevere that the world is not the kind of place they want = to live in anyway. <BR> <BR>You friend needs to know that he is cared for and that you are willing = to go the extra mile for him, even to the point of significant financial = help if that is part of the problem. &nbsp;We are told in Scripture to = give out of our need, not out of our bounty. <BR> <BR>I hope that you will keep me posted on his progress. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_190.27a81a4.29a2ed03_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: What to do for a depressed friend? From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:08:45 -0600   Many times a depressed person has to be convinced that he is so, i.e., that there is something wrong which warrants a doctor's visit. And it is sad that one can go so long in that condition nowadays with the advent of such new non-habit-forming drugs with smaller incidences of side effects that can help give one "umph" again.   If you were my friend, I would hope you would talk to me about it.   Glenda Sutton          
(back) Subject: Re: What to do for a depressed friend? From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:14:30 EST   pemmons writes:     > I am worried about an organist friend whom I used to get together with = often > but, after he changed jobs a few months ago, our paths just don't cross, = so > I haven't seen him for awhile. <<   Paul, I could not add substantively to the expressions already shared with =   you by others on list. But I can pray for your friend and for you, which = I shall do daily in hopes that God will restore hope and reward charitable concern.   Best wishes, Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: Trivia question: "Only a musician" From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:39:18 +1300   I'm sure it was Byrd. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Emmons, Paul <pemmons@wcupa.edu> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: Trivia question: "Only a musician"     >A Tudor, probably the Elizabethan, regime, was about to hassle one of its >greatest composers for being a Roman Catholic. Someone interceded for = him, >pleading that he was "only a musician," i.e. notoriously weird generally, >and too insignificant to be worth the trouble of prosecuting. > >Who was this composer? > >Someone asked me this question today, and I'm afraid I wasn't sure. It = was >probably either Byrd or Tallis. Byrd, at least, remained RC, and with = both >their Latin church music is, on the whole, much finer than their English >settings. > >If you recall more details, such as who said this and when, they would be >interesting. The queen herself liked these composers too well, probably, to >want to see any harm come to them. > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: What to do for a depressed friend? From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:14:52 EST     --part1_165.8aabab0.29a30f1c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Paul,   Just be there for him. And as others have suggested, advise him to see a doctor as soon as possible. Don't try to play psychologist, just be a friend. For some reason, people "give up" easily on people with = depression and think they can "pull themselves out of it." If it is chemical, he certainly needs to be back on medication. But don't give up on him. Be there and be his friend. Lee (who has been there)   --part1_165.8aabab0.29a30f1c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Paul, <BR> <BR>Just be there for him. &nbsp;And as others have suggested, advise him = to see a doctor as soon as possible. &nbsp;Don't try to play psychologist, = just be a friend. &nbsp;For some reason, people "give up" easily on people = with depression and think they can "pull themselves out of it." &nbsp;If = it is chemical, he certainly needs to be back on medication. &nbsp;But = don't give up on him. &nbsp;Be there and be his friend. &nbsp;Lee (who has = been there)</FONT></HTML>   --part1_165.8aabab0.29a30f1c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: What to do for a depressed friend? From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:19:58 EST     --part1_cd.13627401.29a3104e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bruce, you are so right in all you said. And Prayer does change things, = if only to give his friend the energy to get help. I am sure Paul = appreciates your post. Lee   --part1_cd.13627401.29a3104e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bruce, you are so right = in all you said. &nbsp;And Prayer does change things, if only to give his = friend the energy to get help. &nbsp;I am sure Paul appreciates your post. = &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_cd.13627401.29a3104e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: A pleasant sort of macabre Lent in hell From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:53:50 -0500   Oh that's all right Glenda. I know how you feel. Finally, after living here for 40 yrs., after church one Sunday I was invited to join the local Eastern Star chapter ----because their pianist is about 80, had an operation, and wanted to retire. I smiled a lot, said thanks for the invitation, put on my coat and went home.   Diane S.   <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<I was invited to the Valentine's Dinner being given next week for the women of the church by the men of the church, and then was asked to come up with entertainment, so I politely declined. I took it wrong, as sort of a slap - I'm not a woman of the church, just an employee. I'm sure that's not how it was meant, but I'm not paid to do piano bar music for others to enjoy their dinner and wine.          
(back) Subject: Re: Wildlife in Ipswich From: "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:57:43 -0800 (PST)   Hey folks, I think you should all lay off of Arthur. Some of you may like him, some may not. Who are any of us to be so judgemental? Everyone deserves another chance.   I frankly find some of the references to Arthur on this list to border on the cruel side. Are we not all ourslves at times cantankerous, moody and eccentric?   Let's try to find a little more kindness within. When we make a cruel reference, it says more about us than the person to whom we are refering.   RW   --- Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> wrote: > an Idiot replies: > > We had a situation in our family recently with a > Culturally well Veneered > sociopath-organist wedged himself between our family > and friends in > New York State. > > This is NOT Arthur. Mack, you may know the name of > the Sociopath that > I am speaking about.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: doing the job From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:35:35 +1300   However much we love our job, not one of us likes being used, I am sure, = so I sympathise with those who are asked to "do music" for everything in a parish.   I'm in the perhaps-strange position of having been ordained for 25 years (I'm a New Zealand-type Anglican) yet used to be Organist & Choirmaster at various parishes before ordination. Too, I ran the choir at my last = parish, at their request, and played the organ for every 10am Wednesday and 8am Sunday Holy Communion, in addition to celebrating - lucky the console was only 15ft from the altar.   I, too, have put my foot down over both music and "clergy" things. For example, I refused to play "the organ" at my aunt's funeral, as the "instrument" was a spinet electronic of singularly ugly sound, especially = as my cousin wanted me to play some Bach. This was in a Presbyterian church = and I was honoured, though, to be taking the funeral itself, with me being an Anglican. My aunt attended the Cathedral Evensong sometimes, after the morning service at her own church. So, we did an odd thing, at the = family's suggestion and with the Bishop's approval. We held the Funeral in the Presbyterian Church, me wearing Anglican robes, then all went to the Cathedral 5 mins away by car. There, I played a 45-minute organ recital, including the Bach "O Lamm Gottes" (what a fantastic great piece!!), with the hearse back door open, backed up to the cathedral west door. Then we = all went in solemn cortege to the graveside and I carried out the Committal, though by now I'd taken off my Anglican robes and showed I was wearing the kilt underneath. After pronouncing the Blessing, I picked up my pipes and played a funeral lament.   An odd service, that, but all at my cousin's very earnest request.   I have often turned down the invitation to say Grace when invited to a parishioner's home for a meal. I tell the people I am not the host, and = it's not my house, so must defer to those who have invited me. Said with a = smile, it has always been happily accepted.   In January I took two services at the parish I was Vicar of from 1986 to 1992, at the Vicar's request (she was going on holiday). I was asked, please, play the organ as well. So I did. I find it flattering, though = it's mighty hard to do both jobs well at once. But I won't play complicated-rhythm "prayze" stuff, or indeed anything at all, on an electronic "piano" and the organ must be worth playing, i.e. not = electronic. In the parish I've retired to 4 months ago, I now seem to be called on several times a month to play the "organ" - I hate the sound of allen electronics, but at least the console isn't too bad and there are some useable sounds, so I comply. As an amusing aside to this, the Vicar told = me after my first Service-playing in this parish - "So many people say = they've never heard the instrument sound so good since its installation 6 years = ago. What did you do?" My answer was, "I know what an organ sounds like, and I make every effort through tricky registration to make this electronic = thing sound like an organ."   And now that I've probably offended everyone on this List, I'd better shut up again. :-)   Kind regards, all, Ross        
(back) Subject: Re: What to do for a depressed friend? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:20:26 EST     --part1_a5.22ff862e.29a32c8a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/18/02 9:20:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chicaleee@aol.com writes:     > Bruce, you are so right in all you said. And Prayer does change things, = if >   Thanks..... Having been through this, I can attest that psychiatry is not =   helpful and, in fact, often dredges up things that were previously dealt = with and stored away. Drugs are not the answer either. The treatment that = he really needs is GOOD PEOPLE! I'll admit they are much harder to find = these days than drugs!   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & = Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   --part1_a5.22ff862e.29a32c8a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 2/18/02 9:20:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chicaleee@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Bruce, you are so = right in all you said. &nbsp;And Prayer does change things, if only to = give his friend the energy to get help. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Thanks..... &nbsp;Having been through this, I can attest that = psychiatry is not helpful and, in fact, often dredges up things that were = previously dealt with and stored away. &nbsp;&nbsp;Drugs are not the = answer either. &nbsp;&nbsp;The treatment that he really needs is GOOD = PEOPLE! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'll admit they are much harder to find these = days than drugs! <BR> <BR> Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: = &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + = http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a5.22ff862e.29a32c8a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: What to do for a depressed friend? From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:28:45 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C1B8D4.02572E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   While I have not been through this personally, I have had several friends that have.   First of all, there are all sorts of depression which need to be properly diagnosed by a psychiatric professional. However, clinical depression is = not an emotional problem by a chemical one. And it can be treated chemically.   Secondly, counseling is needed to deal with the secondary problems brought about by the clinical depression.   I feel there are a lot of indicators where drug and psychiatric = intervention are proper.   Charles E. Brown     -----Original Message---- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Cremona502@cs.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:20 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: What to do for a depressed friend?     In a message dated 2/18/02 9:20:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chicaleee@aol.com writes:       Bruce, you are so right in all you said. And Prayer does change = things, if only to give his friend the energy to get help.     Thanks..... Having been through this, I can attest that psychiatry is = not helpful and, in fact, often dredges up things that were previously dealt with and stored away. Drugs are not the answer either. The treatment that he really needs is GOOD PEOPLE! I'll admit they are much harder to find these days than drugs!   Bruce Cornely < Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi < http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 + http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely >   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C1B8D4.02572E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2713.1100" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D111312304-19022002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>While=3D20 I have not been through this personally, I have had several friends that = =3D   have.&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D111312304-19022002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D111312304-19022002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>First=3D20 of all, there are all sorts of depression which need to be properly =3D diagnosed by=3D20 a psychiatric professional. However, clinical depression is&nbsp;not = an=3D20 emotional problem by a chemical one. And it can be treated=3D20 chemically.&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D111312304-19022002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D111312304-19022002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Secondly, counseling is needed to deal with the secondary=3D20 problems&nbsp;brought about by the clinical=3D20 depression.&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D111312304-19022002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D111312304-19022002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>I feel=3D20 there are a lot of indicators where drug and psychiatric intervention =3D are=3D20 proper.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D111312304-19022002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D111312304-19022002><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Charles E. Brown</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D111312304-19022002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D111312304-19022002>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of=3D20 </B>Cremona502@cs.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 18, 2002 = 11:20=3D20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: What to =3D do for a=3D20 depressed friend?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT =3D face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D2>In a message dated 2/18/02 9:20:26 PM Eastern Standard = Time,=3D20 Chicaleee@aol.com writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">Bruce, you are so right in all you said. &nbsp;And =3D Prayer does=3D20 change things, if only to give his friend the energy to get help.=3D20 </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Thanks..... &nbsp;Having been through this, I can = =3D attest=3D20 that psychiatry is not helpful and, in fact, often dredges up things =3D that were=3D20 previously dealt with and stored away. &nbsp;&nbsp;Drugs are not the =3D answer=3D20 either. &nbsp;&nbsp;The treatment that he really needs is GOOD PEOPLE! = =3D   &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'll admit they are much harder to find these days =3D than=3D20 drugs! <BR><BR>Bruce Cornely &lt; Cremona502@cs.com &gt;<I> =3D </I><BR>with the=3D20 Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit = =3D Howling=3D20 Acres <I>&nbsp;</I>and meet the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, =3D Molly=3D20 &amp; Dewi <BR>&lt; http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 +=3D20 http://prepaidlegal.com/go/brucecornely &nbsp;&gt;</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C1B8D4.02572E50--    
(back) Subject: Movie Organ x-posted From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:35:47 -0600   Saturday one of my favorite movies was on, "The Three Amigos." I realized today that it's about 14 or 15 years old, but I still like it. In the movies, the Amigos are first seen on a silent movie screen accompanied by a small church organ. I'm curious if anyone knows about where the organ sound in this movie came from, because it's very good, in that it's very bad. The top is out of tune, the organist occasionally misses notes, and it's not a theatre organ sound, at all, but that of a small church organ, just like one would expect to find in the setting of the movie. Was this a mistake on the part of the filmmakers to just throw something down, or did someone really go out of their way to find the sound of a mediocre organ and organist. Either way, I love it! Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.geocities.com/organwebring The Organ Classifieds http://www.organclassifieds.com