PipeChat Digest #2725 - Tuesday, February 26, 2002
 
HASKELL BASSES
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
All Hallows by the Tower
  by "Dr. Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com>
need suggestions for San Diego Churches to visit (xpost)
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net>
looking for 2 CDs (Xpost)
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net>
organ Real Audio file problems (hopefully corrected this time!)
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net>
RE: need suggestions for San Diego Churches to visit (xpost)
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: All Hallows by the Tower
  by "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com>
RE: Choral Music of Jehan Alain featured in San Francisco & Portl	and are
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: need suggestions for San Diego Churches to visit (xpost)
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: need suggestions for San Diego Churches to visit (xpost)
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
KING OF KINGS - UPDATE
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: RESPONSE need suggestions ...
  by <wchapmn@attglobal.net>
Re: Pros & Cons of Digital Pianos
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: Digital Instruments and such
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Church organist's pay
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Re: Church organist's pay
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Church organist's pay
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Church organist's pay
  by "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net>
Re: Church organist's pay
  by "Margarete Thomsen" <mthomsen@umich.edu>
 

(back) Subject: HASKELL BASSES From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 06:41:50 -0800 (PST)   Does anyone know of any 32' Haskell basses?   I only know of two. One which was made while I was with Aeolian-Skinner -- the one for the Milwaukee Center for the Performing Arts which worked out extremely well.   The other was added to the Aeolian-Skinner at the First Methodist Church in Houston, Texas (by WICKS!!!). It was absolutely horrible. No two notes were alike, and it got exactly what it needed several years ago -- it burned.   Those are the only two I know of that were ever built.   D. Keith Morgan   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D D. Keith Morgan, RPT Pipe Organ & Piano Service 400 Conditt Circle Denton, Texas 76209-4861 (940) 382-0348 (940) 367-1178 (Cell) dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: All Hallows by the Tower From: "Dr. Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 06:58:59 -0800 (PST)   Hi--   I am proud to say that All Hallows by the Tower, built on the ancient Saxon Abbey of Barking and oft called "All Hallows Barking" (in old manuscripts, Barkin or Barken also--I know this more from my studies in English Literature than from organ work!) is the Sister Parish of my own church, The Church of the Epiphany in New York City. I am making a visit to this church in June and will play a recital on the 1957 Harrison and Harrison organ there. (June 6, 12:15 PM.)   The spire of All Hallows, along with the Tower, stike me as the Renaissance equivalent of the Empire State and Chrysler Buildings in NYC--the two distinctive towers that iconized London in so many drawings and manuscripts.   Our church website, www.epiphanynyc.org, contains a link to All Hallows.   Our other sister church, the wonderful parish of Saint Margaret's in the Bronx, does not yet have a website, but their Rector preached up a storm here yesterday.   happy barking!     Jon NYC     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: need suggestions for San Diego Churches to visit (xpost) From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:31:43 -0800   Hello Friends,   I've got the time to get away for a few days this coming weekend to San Diego, and would welcome suggestions for churches to visit... I won't have time for a full-blown organ crawl like I usually do on my trips, but I can make time for a couple of visits, and need suggestions for Sunday... gotta go snoop somewhere! ;-)   Thanks as always....   Jonathan    
(back) Subject: looking for 2 CDs (Xpost) From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:41:37 -0800   Hello folks,   I am attempting to find 2 CDs to round out one of my collections, and have come up against the dreaded "out of issue". The volumes in question are = #4 and #5 of the organ works of Joseph Ahrens, released in 1993 by the Christophorus label. Those of you who know me will remember my = fascination with exploring obscure repertoire, and my CD collection is no exception! I'll be glad to discuss trading or purchasing or any other options, especially if you have the CDs!   Thanks in advance    
(back) Subject: organ Real Audio file problems (hopefully corrected this time!) From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:47:50 -0800   Hello folks,   A number of you still seem to have problems with accessing the RealAudio file I mentioned last week, so I give you one more solution: http://www.theatreorgans.com/giwro/ra/ That link will take you to the directory, and you may click on the file to listen...   Sorry for all the confusion!   Cheers,   Jonathan Orwig    
(back) Subject: RE: need suggestions for San Diego Churches to visit (xpost) From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:42:48 -0500   It's the only church I recall entering in San Diego, and that must have = been way back in 1980, but you shouldn't miss Saint Paul's Episcopal, now the cathedral. It is a handsome neo-gothic structure with a four-manual = Aeolian Skinner that I thought was the cat's meow some twenty years ago. Don't = know if I would admire it quite so unreservedly today, but I certainly recall = it as a complete and very successful example of its type.   There would be at least one old Spanish mission in the area, too, not to = be missed even though there might be no organ at all.   Paul    
(back) Subject: Re: All Hallows by the Tower From: "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:42:30 -0600   Thanks, Jonathan, for bringing back memories.   My career was put on hold early when I was about to be drafted during the Vietnam debacle. I enlisted in the U.S. Army Band program and spent most of the last 2 of my 3 years in Frankfurt, Germany. I arrived there in October 1967, and my wife followed in early December. Our first "vacation" trip was to northern France and the London environs during the Christmas holiday.   Through some London-based American friends, we got hooked on brass rubbing almost immediately, and in those days, one could rub the originals onsite--not impressions of the originals, which I think is what one has to do today at brass-rubbing centres. One of the first interesting places = this new hobby took us to was All Hallows, Barking. Gordon Phillips was = organist there, and he played thousands of noontime recitals during his tenure. We had a good chat after that day's recital, and we were able to rub the Evyngar brass (pleading that we had come all the way from Chicago just to rub that particular brass).   Some years ago I wrote a limerick as I thought of that experience. (We'll assume that the final word here means "smock" and the limerick is "clean".)   A brass-rubbing ace from East Twickett Discovered he'd gotten a ticket For illegal parking By All Hallows, Barking, Whilst rubbing Ms. Evyngar's smicket.   The organ, as I recall, was OK, but I think we were more impressed with the "Flemish" brass. Bob Lind     From: "Dr. Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> on 02/25/2002 08:58 AM     I am proud to say that All Hallows by the Tower, built on the ancient Saxon Abbey of Barking and oft called "All Hallows Barking" (in old manuscripts, Barkin or Barken also--I know this more from my studies in English Literature than from organ work!) is the Sister Parish of my own church, The Church of the Epiphany in New York City. I am making a visit to this church in June and will play a recital on the 1957 Harrison and Harrison organ there. (June 6, 12:15 PM.)   The spire of All Hallows, along with the Tower, stike me as the Renaissance equivalent of the Empire State and Chrysler Buildings in NYC--the two distinctive towers that iconized London in so many drawings and manuscripts.   Our church website, www.epiphanynyc.org, contains a link to All Hallows.   Our other sister church, the wonderful parish of Saint Margaret's in the Bronx, does not yet have a website, but their Rector preached up a storm here yesterday.   happy barking!     Jon NYC    
(back) Subject: RE: Choral Music of Jehan Alain featured in San Francisco & Portl and areas From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:27:07 -0500   I have an apparently scarce LP of his choral music (issued, as I recall, = on the French label Pathe) performed at Monaco Cathedral, with the cathedral choristers and Marie-Claire Alain at the organ. This album seems to be a humbly submitted labor of love; the choir is good without being excellent; the organ neither particularly distinguished nor entirely in tune, etc.   The music, however, glows. This recording is a lot better than none at = all, and I'm grateful to all involved for giving it to the world. This music should be better known.     >If you happen to be in San Francisco or Portland March 17-24, there are opportunities to hear >one of his choral works...   >Pat Maimone >Post Chapel, West Point, NY    
(back) Subject: Re: need suggestions for San Diego Churches to visit (xpost) From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:49:33 EST   Don't forget Balboa Park! There's a Spreckels organ outside, and concerts =   are 2 pm on Sundays.   Here's the website: www.serve.com/sosorgan/   Victoria  
(back) Subject: Re: need suggestions for San Diego Churches to visit (xpost) From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:46:36 EST     --part1_12e.d09817e.29ac18cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/25/2002 11:46:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, pemmons@wcupa.edu writes:     > There would be at least one old Spanish mission in the area, too, not to = be > missed even though there might be no organ at all. >   The San Diego Mission has a 17 rank Wicks, hailed by no less than Jared Jacobsen as "a wonderful organ." Sold and installed by me, voiced by = Douglas Harrison Cable.   Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA   --part1_12e.d09817e.29ac18cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 2/25/2002 11:46:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, pemmons@wcupa.edu writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">There would be at = least one old Spanish mission in the area, too, not to be<BR> missed even though there might be no organ at all.<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> The San Diego Mission has a 17 rank Wicks, hailed by no less than Jared = Jacobsen as "a wonderful organ." Sold and installed by me, voiced by = Douglas Harrison Cable.<BR> <BR> Steven Skinner<BR> Minister of Music<BR> First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant<BR> Erie, PA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_12e.d09817e.29ac18cc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: KING OF KINGS - UPDATE From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:59:16 EST   Please note the time change:   Wednesday, March 27, 7:00 pm "KING OF KINGS" (1927) Accompanied on the church's 1990, V/205 Calvary Grand Moller pipe organ Scott Foppiano, organist Calvary Church Highway 51 at Rea Road Charlotte, North Carolina  
(back) Subject: Re: RESPONSE need suggestions ... From: <wchapmn@attglobal.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:10:31 -0500   Steve:   I always thought Jared did better on the Piano than the Organ but either way he was going to put on a show.   Grant Chapman West Point, NY        
(back) Subject: Re: Pros & Cons of Digital Pianos From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:45:39 -0600   On 2/23/02 9:23 PM, Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote:   > Digital pianos take less time to dust. Everything else is con, IMHO.   Actually, not everything.   Digitals are really, really easy to tune - cause you never have to!   Digitals are much easier to move, so you can take them from the sanctuary = to the parish hall for the special kiddie's service, outside for the Palm Sunday march around the church, etc., etc.   Digitals are much easier to get in tune with your pipe organ - just change the pitch up or down by as many 'cents' as you need. No fuss, no muss - = one button, no waiting.   Digitals in your home are quite convenient - many are small enough to tuck away in a closet if you need the extra room for a non-musical gathering. Also the kids can do all those awful scales on headphones!   As good as a Steinway musically? Well of course not. As good as the nasty old ignored-for-years maybe-Heintzman upright in your parish hall? = Probably considerably better. It all depends what you're comparing it to, doesn't = it?   At my church, we have a Yamaha upright and two digital pianos, a Roland = and a Kurzweil. The parish hall Yamaha is so poor that we've now relegated it = to a semi-permanent position in one corner of the hall under a dustcover. The tone is dull and lifeless, the instrument is a pianissimopiano rather than = a pianoforte - completely useless to lead medium to large groups of people = in song. Horrible little thing. The digitals are much more useful. The Roland has decent tone, volume enough to accompany 200-250 enthusiastic folks in = a reasonably reverberant hall. It must be said, we're not using it to play concerts. But even for that, it would be much better than our Yamaha.   The Kurzweil PC-88 though is an absolute gem. Wonderful piano sounds and a goodly number of truly useful non-piano sounds. Because it's a keyboard rather than a real digital piano, it is much more portable which we've = used to our advantage over and over again. Of course it's no Bosendorfer but without doubt it's a better sounding instrument than any parish hall = upright piano that I've ever experienced down here in the real world.   TTFA, Russ Greene St. Andrew's Anglican Church (Woodhaven)    
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Instruments and such From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:57:53 -0600   On 2/24/02 4:43 PM, Travis L. Evans wrote:   >> Well, for a start, there is no such thing as a "digital piano." A piano = is >> an instrument in which strings are struck by hammers. No hammers or > strings, >> no piano, no piano touch, no piano tone. >> Ross   Well, you know, most folks find it so much more convenient to say "digital piano" even though they know in their hearts that they should be saying "electronic digital sample playback device with samples derived from = actual acoustic pianos through microphones then computer enhanced playable = through a psuedo-piano keyboard with a simple mechanically sprung pivot action and an on-off switch to artificially duplicate the effect of sustaining sounds routed through internal loudspeakers after hands are lifted from the keyboard".   Especially when we all know that it means the same thing.   TTFA, Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: Church organist's pay From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:38:38 +0000     A friend of mine recently applied for a new organist position. The people were nice, the organ interesting, the pay reasonable, the music expectations high. Then came the information that there was no vacation pay. She was told she could take time off but that she would have to pay her substitutes.   Is this a new trend?   Could this be a denominational thing?   Are there so many organists looking for organ jobs that churches can now   do this?   Or is this particular church just out of step?   What goes? Any information on the subject of vacation pay would be welcome.   Del W. Case Pacific Union College        
(back) Subject: Re: Church organist's pay From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:35:32 EST     --part1_34.23427866.29ac5c84_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   No vacation? Pay the substitutes?   Shake the dust off your organ shoes and hit the trail.   This is not a trend. This is abnormal.   Neil B   --part1_34.23427866.29ac5c84_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>No vacation? &nbsp;Pay the substitutes? <BR> <BR>Shake the dust off your organ shoes and hit the trail. <BR> <BR>This is not a trend. &nbsp;This is abnormal. <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_34.23427866.29ac5c84_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Church organist's pay From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:37:57 -0800     --------------1BCC2FDFEC3CDFB7C6770E44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I get four weeks paid vacation, and two weeks paid sick leave ... I'm full-time, but I think that's more-or-less standard, at least around here ...   Cheers,   Bud   Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote:   > No vacation? Pay the substitutes? > > Shake the dust off your organ shoes and hit the trail. > > This is not a trend. This is abnormal. > > Neil B   --------------1BCC2FDFEC3CDFB7C6770E44 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> I get four weeks paid vacation, and two weeks paid sick leave ... I'm = full-time, but I think that's more-or-less standard, at least around here ... <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>No = vacation?&nbsp; Pay the substitutes?</font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Shake the dust off your = organ shoes and hit the trail.</font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>This is not a = trend.&nbsp; This is abnormal.</font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Neil = B</font></font></blockquote>   </body> </html>   --------------1BCC2FDFEC3CDFB7C6770E44--    
(back) Subject: Re: Church organist's pay From: "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:39:24 -0800   The pay at my church sucks, but they do give me two paid days a year. = Also, if I take the choir to sing at another church, they don't count that as vacation. I do get a small raise each January.   Still, there are compensations. With my very hectic work sched., I don't spoend a lot of time at the church, so I don't get any grief about that. The choir is VERY good to work with. They can do anything (well, anything = I can play :-) from classical to contemporary, and the individuals (all but one, anyway) will give 100% even if the music at the time doesn't strike their fancy. In other words, I have a lot of artistic freedom.   Finally, this is the oldest church in Ohio. The congregation was started = in 1799, and Ohiuo became a state in 1801. I think that's an interesting thing.   Best wishes, Mike          
(back) Subject: Re: Church organist's pay From: "Margarete Thomsen" <mthomsen@umich.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 04:18:09 -0500   --On Monday, February 25, 2002 19:38 +0000 Del Case <dcase@puc.edu> wrote:     > A friend of mine recently applied for a new organist position. The > people were nice, > the organ interesting, the pay reasonable, the music expectations high. > Then came the information that there was no vacation pay. She was told > she could take time off but that she would have to pay her substitutes.   When I applied for the part-time position I have had for the last 3 years, =   the pay was not great--this is a poor Lutheran parish--but everything else =   is great--people, pastor, liturgy, etc. They had offered me 2 weeks vacation (with pay), but I get 5 weeks from my other job. So I negotiated =   4 weeks with pay. The only time I pay a substitute is for the Wednesday evening Lenten services because I work at my other job during that time.   I never thought about it at the time, probably because Ihad only missed = two Sundays in 40 years because of illness, but there was no mention of sick time. But when I did have to miss a Sunday because of illness, they still =   paid me as well as the sub.   I don't think expecting vacation pay is out-of-step. Has your friend = tried negotiating some vacation pay?     MARGARETE THOMSEN ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` Mac OS/Comm Consultant : Outside of a dog, a book is http://www.umich.edu/~mthomsen : man's best friend; mthomsen@umich.edu : inside of a dog, it's too : dark to read!