PipeChat Digest #2625 - Friday, January 4, 2002
 
Re: Rector from Hell
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE:slider chests
  by "Michael David" <msdavid@wwa.com>
Re: Hutchings , Organ Builder
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: The Rectum From Hell (X-posted)
  by "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted)
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
clergy and organists
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: slider chests
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: slider chests
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted)
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Rector from Hell From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:41:46 EST     --part1_18f.164beda.2966625a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/3/02 6:33:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, koehnken@comsys.net writes:     > Couldn't help but read all the comments. Maybe that's why I am = perfectly > content to not be a church organist anymore!!! >   A friend told me early on in my career...... "if you work in churches long =   enough you will realize why Christians were thrown to the lions.!   Yup Yup Yup....   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_18f.164beda.2966625a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 1/3/02 6:33:45 PM Eastern = Standard Time, koehnken@comsys.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE = style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><B>Couldn't help but read all the comments. = &nbsp;Maybe that's why I am perfectly content to not be a church organist = anymore!!!</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"></B> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>A friend told me early on in my career...... "if you work in churches = long enough you will realize why Christians were thrown to the lions.! <BR> <BR>Yup Yup Yup.... <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_18f.164beda.2966625a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE:slider chests From: "Michael David" <msdavid@wwa.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:45:12 -0600     I assume from the immense gap between the multiple academic degrees and chairmanships in your signature and the level of your questions that you = are administering a test assess the collective wisdom of the assembled Pipe Chatters.   You do know the answers, don't you?   Michael - with one (non-music) degree and functioning eyes and ears   Subject: slider chests From: "DP" <dpitzer@sonic.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 18:55:26 -0800   Fellow Members,   First: Other than simplicity of design, what, if any, are the artistic advantages of so-called "key-channel," slider operated windchests?   > >much snipping >     Fourteenth: What percentage (generally) of organ literature benefits significantly from a full-length resonator horizontal reed? Is such a stop *generally* worth the extra expense?   I appreciate your thoughtful responses to this questions.   Daniel Pitzer, PhD., DM., D Mus. Chairman, Adjunct Organ Committee Co-Chairman, Architectural Planning Committee St. John's Cathedral, ECUS San Francisco/Novato    
(back) Subject: Re: Hutchings , Organ Builder From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:57:15 EST     --part1_aa.45f87cb.296665fb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   There is a rumor that E M Skinner finished this organ, but, of course, no = one really knows and he didn't write any obscenities on the inside of the chest!!! ;-) (I've seen some really good ones over the years... now THAT =   would be a book!!).   Fortunately, there is no room in the case for additions so anything done = will not really be part of the organ and the original integrity can be = maintained. It doesn't need a mixture, because the Gamba on the Great is so incisive =   that it does the trick.   The Trumpet was not put back in its original place because Hutchins = inserted the Melodia in that place on the Great chest. It's really beautiful and = I'd hate to have it lost. The trumpet sits in front of the West window on = the "south" side on a chromatic chest. The Harmonic Flute 4 is from the = organ at First Methodist - Jax, and was procured when it was discarded = therefrom! It sits on another chromatic chest in the same position as the Trumpet, = but on the north side. The Great is unenclosed. The upperwork doesn't = work because it screamy loud and very poorly finished (if at all).   The chests are a very interesting design with individual "frog mouth" pneumatics for each note. There is interior channeling for the stop and primary action, a design which further leads me to the conclusion that the =   organ was tubular pneumatic. The primary action is now electric with exhaust valves "working" the channels. When I was there the interior of the Swell chests were out, having been = "helf for ransom" by one of the local service people (a really awful situation). = I did a little releathering in the Great to fix the few dead notes that = there were. The leather was fine. The leathering job on the Swell was apparently one of those "there are three dead notes and the rest are ready = to go" situations. They action was eventually returned and I did get to = hear the organ two years ago, but the tuning was so bad that it was hard to = tell exactly how wonderful the organ would sound. The Great I do remember = from when I was there before (having tuned it myself -- equal, even!). The = Second Open Diapason is just scrumptious. The Gross Flute is a hoot = (literally)!!! but still wonderful in its own right.   This is one of those organs that I would love to see completely removed = and professionally restored and returned to its original configuration.   I really love these old organs!!   bruce   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_aa.45f87cb.296665fb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>There is a rumor that E = M Skinner finished this organ, but, of course, no one really knows and he = didn't write any obscenities on the inside of the chest!!! &nbsp;;-) = &nbsp;(I've seen some really good ones over the years... now THAT would be = a book!!). <BR> <BR>Fortunately, there is no room in the case for additions so anything = done will not really be part of the organ and the original integrity can = be maintained. &nbsp;&nbsp;It doesn't need a mixture, because the Gamba on = the Great is so incisive that it does the trick. <BR> <BR>The Trumpet was not put back in its original place because Hutchins = inserted the Melodia in that place on the Great chest. &nbsp;It's really = beautiful and I'd hate to have it lost. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The trumpet sits = in front of the West window on the "south" side on a chromatic chest. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The Harmonic Flute 4 is from the organ at First Methodist - = Jax, and was procured when it was discarded therefrom! &nbsp;&nbsp;It sits = on another chromatic chest in the same position as the Trumpet, but on the north side. &nbsp;&nbsp;The &nbsp;Great is unenclosed. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The upperwork doesn't work because it screamy loud and = very poorly finished (if at all). &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>The chests are a very interesting design with individual "frog mouth" = pneumatics for each note. &nbsp;There is interior channeling for the stop = and primary action, a design which further leads me to the conclusion that = the organ was tubular pneumatic. &nbsp;&nbsp;The primary action is now = electric with exhaust valves "working" the channels. <BR> &nbsp; <BR>When I was there the interior of the Swell chests were out, having = been "helf for ransom" by one of the local service people (a really awful = situation). &nbsp;&nbsp;I did a little releathering in the Great to fix = the few dead notes that there were. &nbsp;The leather was fine. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The leathering job on the Swell was apparently one of = those "there are three dead notes and the rest are ready to go" = situations. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They action was eventually returned and I = did get to hear the organ two years ago, but the tuning was so bad that it = was hard to tell exactly how wonderful the organ would sound. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The Great I do remember from when I was there before = (having tuned it myself -- equal, even!). &nbsp;The Second Open Diapason = is just scrumptious. &nbsp;&nbsp;The Gross Flute is a hoot (literally)!!! = &nbsp;but still wonderful in its own right. <BR> <BR>This is one of those organs that I would love to see completely = removed and professionally restored and returned to its original = configuration. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>I really love these old organs!! <BR> <BR>bruce <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_aa.45f87cb.296665fb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:14:43 EST     --part1_148.74a3165.29666a13_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/3/02 5:35:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > Yeah, well, I avoid him as much as possible, but HE has to approve the > music-lists. No way around THAT. And the schedule of Holy Days to be > observed. > And when choir practices can be held. Oh, he's very MUCH in CONTROL   I repeat again: WHY?!?!?!?   Have you ASKED him why he doesn't TRUST you as the music director to = perform your job?   I can see, perhaps, you AND he going over music on RARE occasion (such as = the big feasts of the church year) but WHY does he have say as to when choir rehearsals may be held??????   Scott Foppiano   --part1_148.74a3165.29666a13_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/3/02 5:35:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yeah, well, I = avoid him as much as possible, but HE has to approve the<BR> music-lists. No way around THAT. And the schedule of Holy Days to be = observed.<BR> And when choir practices can be held. Oh, he's very MUCH in = CONTROL</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> I repeat again:&nbsp; WHY?!?!?!?<BR> <BR> Have you ASKED him why he doesn't TRUST you as the music director to = perform your job?<BR> <BR> I can see, perhaps, you AND he going over music on RARE occasion (such as = the big feasts of the church year) but WHY does he have say as to when = choir rehearsals may be held??????<BR> <BR> Scott Foppiano</FONT></HTML>   --part1_148.74a3165.29666a13_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Rectum From Hell (X-posted) From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:35:45 -0600   Bud Clark <quilisma@socal.rr.com> wrote:     > I'm twenty years older; I'm a life-long Anglican; he's not; he never = went to > seminary or otherwise acquired an MDiv; he's spent his entire priesthood = at St. > Matthew's, from the time he was a deacon. He thinks the service-lists I = send him > from Anglican-Music are "heretical", because the CHURCHES are = "heretical" ... in > other words, he pays no attention to anything that goes on in Anglican = churches > that are still in communion with Canterbury, which has "fallen into = heresy" > according to him.     Question: Doesn't that stance put him into a state of Aposticy? I thought the Anglican Catholic Church *WAS* in Communion with Canterbury, or am I wrong?   If not Canterbury, then WHO ARE they in communion with?? There has to be some kind of Apostolic succession, I thought. . .   > Translation: he ignores or denigrates the Anglican musical tradition in = toto. > He's never HEARD of most things you and I learned 40 and 50 years ago.   Sounds like he needs some *real* Seminary training.     > The VESTRY knows he has no people or management skills ... he's gone = through > three secretaries in the four years I've been there ... but they won't = do > anything about it.     Why not?   > Pitchforks and torches? (grin) > Thank you, Malcolm, and everybody else who's written me with words of > encouragement and support.     Sounds like this guy needs unseated from his self-appointed throne! Seems to me it's supposed to be CHRIST on the Throne, and NOT the Rectum!   Faithfully,   Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted) From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:56:32 EST     --part1_6e.159c338c.296673e0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   A question just popped into my head, primarily directed to Bud, but I'll = ask it publicly anyway....   Could your rector possibly be suffering from a medical condition, perhaps even a chemical imbalance that heretofore did not show itself?   I do not mean to take his side, of course, but there is ALWAYS a reason = why behavior is as it is. What you describe in your posts, Bud, does not = sound like a coherent person, or a happy person, or a healthy person.   God bless you Bud, and may He heal your Rector, or cause him to get on his =   everloving knees!!   Neil Brown     --part1_6e.159c338c.296673e0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>A question just popped into my head, primarily directed to Bud, = but I'll ask it publicly anyway.... <BR> <BR>Could your rector possibly be suffering from a medical condition, = perhaps even a chemical imbalance that heretofore did not show itself? <BR> <BR>I do not mean to take his side, of course, but there is ALWAYS a = reason why behavior is as it is. &nbsp;What you describe in your posts, = Bud, does not sound like a coherent person, or a happy person, or a = healthy person. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>God bless you Bud, and may He heal your Rector, or cause him to get on = his everloving knees!! <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_6e.159c338c.296673e0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 19:11:03 -0800     --------------F8397ABAC675C3719F11FC9E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       ScottFop@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 1/3/02 5:35:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > > >> Yeah, well, I avoid him as much as possible, but HE has to approve >> the >> music-lists. No way around THAT. And the schedule of Holy Days to be >> observed. >> And when choir practices can be held. Oh, he's very MUCH in CONTROL > > I repeat again: WHY?!?!?!? > > Have you ASKED him why he doesn't TRUST you as the music director to > perform your job?   Repeatedly ... either he just yells at me or he changes the subject.   > I can see, perhaps, you AND he going over music on RARE occasion (such > as the big feasts of the church year) but WHY does he have say as to > when choir rehearsals may be held??????   BECAUSE HE'S THE RECTOR AND HE THINKS IT'S THE HIGH MIDDLE AGES AND HE'S A NOBLEMAN AND I'M A SERF.   I think that about covers it. Notice I am NOT (grinning) ... He really BELIEVES it's the "privilege of the reverend clergy" to treat people like shit ... he NEVER says "thank-you" or "I'm sorry" to ANYONE for ANY reason. What's done for him is his DUE ... no more, no less.   Bud   --------------F8397ABAC675C3719F11FC9E Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> &nbsp; <p>ScottFop@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 1/3/02 5:35:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Yeah, well, I avoid him as much as possible, but HE has to approve = the</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>music-lists. No way = around THAT. And the schedule of Holy Days to be observed.</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>And when choir = practices can be held. Oh, he's very MUCH in CONTROL</font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>I repeat again:&nbsp; = WHY?!?!?!?</font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Have you ASKED him why = he doesn't TRUST you as the music director to perform your = job?</font></font></blockquote> Repeatedly ... either he just yells at me or he changes the subject. <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>I = can see, perhaps, you AND he going over music on RARE occasion (such as the big feasts of the church year) but WHY does he have say as to when choir rehearsals may be held??????</font></font></blockquote> BECAUSE HE'S THE RECTOR AND HE THINKS IT'S THE HIGH MIDDLE AGES AND HE'S A NOBLEMAN AND I'M A SERF. <p>I think that about covers it. Notice I am NOT (grinning) ... He really BELIEVES it's the "privilege of the reverend clergy" to treat people like shit ... he NEVER says "thank-you" or "I'm sorry" to ANYONE for ANY = reason. What's done for him is his DUE ... no more, no less. <p>Bud</html>   --------------F8397ABAC675C3719F11FC9E--    
(back) Subject: Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:53:00 EST     --part1_9.21265155.2966811c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/3/02 10:13:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > I think that about covers it. Notice I am NOT (grinning) ... He really > BELIEVES it's the "privilege of the reverend clergy" to treat people = like > shit ... he NEVER says "thank-you" or "I'm sorry" to ANYONE for ANY = reason. > What's done for him is his DUE ... no more, no less.   Sounds like one I just left.............   --part1_9.21265155.2966811c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/3/02 10:13:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com = writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I think that about = covers it. Notice I am NOT (grinning) ... He really BELIEVES it's the = "privilege of the reverend clergy" to treat people like shit ... he NEVER = says "thank-you" or "I'm sorry" to ANYONE for ANY reason. What's done for = him is his DUE ... no more, no less.</BLOCKQUOTE> </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Sounds like one I = just left.............</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_9.21265155.2966811c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: clergy and organists From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:30:03 +1300   Dear Bud etc., We do all sympathise with you. Sure, there are indeed clergy-from-hell, as this List so wonderfully puts it. Remember, one from Westminster Abbey got rid of Martin Neary not so long ago - and he was a dear and loveable = family man as well as being one of the world's best Directors of Music. But, but, as a just-retired Vicar, I must add at least that there are also organists-from-hell. One organist I had in a parish said that unless he = had 100% say over all the music, including all the hymntunes and all the words for them, he'd make my life miserable and then walk out. So I told him to minimise his efforts and go immediately. At least in an Anglican Church in New Zealand, the Vicar is charged by the Bishop to be in actual charge of everything that goes on in the church building itself - and that includes the music, so the Vicar is, by the Bishop's fiat, Director of Music. In practice, of course, any Vicar that tries to carry that out to the letter, especially without consultation, is a bloody idiot, to put it mildly, but the Bishop's direction remains. In my parishes, I have always preprared a hymnbook supplement of things = not in the regular hymnbook, that I particularly like, and in the last parish this amounted to 388 items to be used in conjunction with Ancient & = Modern, but in fact two thirds of the time. Three times a year I would go through the church year with the Organist & Choirmaster (one person) and we'd sort out hymns together, both tunes and words, with both of us chipping in as hard as we could, no holds barred. I'd do this at the Org.ChM's home. I would always reserve the right to change something with a week's notice = if I felt it had to be for some reason, e.g. a parishioner dying, the Bishop coming, or whatever. In addition, about 6 times a year I'd remind the congregation in the weekly newsletter that they could always "order" a particular hymn for a special Sunday if they wished to, or even all four hymns, provided we had about 8 weeks' notice. Again, though, I had to reserve a veto. In practice, things worked out like this. 1st Sunday We'd use the Celtic Communion, with organ and grand piano, sometimes together, with me on the organ. 2nd Sunday Family Sunday, with the music group (unamplified) both singers and musicians. Shortened Holy Communion Liturgy. 3rd Sunday Choral Eucharist, with organ and choir 4th Sunday An alternative Communion Liturgy, piano and organ, mostly the latter. 5th Sunday open to negotiation. I always played the organ for the more-conservative 8am service. In practice, I never the chose the hymns for either the 2nd, 4th or 5th = Sundays in the month as the people became very adept at choosing right and good things to go with the particular Sunday's theme and feeling. And we never had an argument or a fight, ever. :-) Of course, before I was ordained, I did serve under some peculiar clergy, but it's not always one way. In none of this am I criticising Bud at all, merely commenting generally. Keep with us on this List, Bud, whatever you = do next! Regards, Ross      
(back) Subject: RE: slider chests From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:16:49 -0600   > From: COLASACCO, ROBERT > At what point does the resultant become "ineffective" and become just = two > stops on one note? I resultantize only the last note of a = piano/pianissimo > piece where only the Bourdon 16' is in the pedal and the final chord is = C, > i.e., I'm left footing CC and right footing the G above it. > Robert Colasacco   The closer you get to the tenor C in the pedal (central pedalboard), the more obvious it is that it's quinted rather than a true 32'. I had a resultant in my previous position, and if you played the low B, you could hear the F# above it rather clearly.   Jeff    
(back) Subject: RE: slider chests From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:59:21 -0800 (PST)   I have never heard a 32' Resultant that I liked, but one which was the most effective I have ever heard was quinted from low CCCC to low FFFF with the quint ABOVE the unison, and from low FFFF# to BBBB, the quint broke BACK an octave. In other words, No. 1 to No. 7 was 16' and 10 2/3'; No. 8 to No. 12 was 21 1/3' and 16'. The entire quint was in one octave. That way, it wasn't really obvious that a quint was playing when you were just below 8' C.   One other with which I am familiar has No 1 to No. 7 as Resultant, from low GGGG to BBBB are real 32' Bourdon pipes. The low CCCC plays 16' CCC and 32' GGGG. The quints were BELOW the unisons. Even so, when I play this organ, I do not go below low GGGG into the Resultants. When a note is written there, I play it an octave higher. I just do not like the sound of those Resultants. When you compare them to the real 32' Bourdons, they just don't make it. I hear that damned quint.   D. Keith Morgan           --- Jeff White <reedstop@prodigy.net> wrote: > > From: COLASACCO, ROBERT > > At what point does the resultant become > "ineffective" and become just two > > stops on one note? I resultantize only the last > note of a piano/pianissimo > > piece where only the Bourdon 16' is in the pedal > and the final chord is C, > > i.e., I'm left footing CC and right footing the G > above it. > > Robert Colasacco > > The closer you get to the tenor C in the pedal > (central pedalboard), the > more obvious it is that it's quinted rather than a > true 32'. I had a > resultant in my previous position, and if you played > the low B, you could > hear the F# above it rather clearly. > > Jeff > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted) From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 02:12:30 -0500   At 02:33 PM 03/01/2002 -0800, Bud wrote: >Oh, he's very MUCH in CONTROL. In any interaction, you only get control when someone else gives it to you. I know it's "uncomfortable" or "improper" or "taboo" or = <insert obscure mythological curse here> to simply NOT give up control to him....but "improper" is far from "impossible". Time to get over the "polite" barrier, IMHO....it's just getting you treated in an abusive = manner.   At 01:43 PM 03/01/2002 -0800, Bud wrote: >I give up. But he's going to have to FIRE me, AND explain to the >congregation WHY. They love you. They know he's a j@#^%$$, but they seem to be having trouble addressing the problem. Evidently they need a push to deal =   with his behavior, so why not give them what they need?   Crank up a paper trail like Rodney wisely suggests, and be prepared to put it on the table faster than charismaboy can BS the group...then go do the music RIGHT, and prepare for theatre on the spot. Don't forget to rehearse a snappy show tune for Rectum Attitude's exit. ;)))   Celebrating disposal of a similarly horrible boss last year, Ad ;->