PipeChat Digest #2626 - Friday, January 4, 2002
 
9 Hour Messiaen Marathon Played by Paul Jacobs at Fourth Presbyte	rian Ch
  by "Cole, Carroll" <CCole@fourthchurch.org>
RE: 9 Hour Messiaen Marathon Played by Paul Jacobs at Fourth Pres	byte	ri
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: The Rector From Hell (X-posted)
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Rector from Hell
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: The Rector From Hell
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted)
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
RE: slider chests
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Rector from Hell
  by "Tommy Becnel" <tbecnel@cajunnet.com>
Re: Francis Booth, Organ Builder
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted)
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Ron Reseigh Plays Rochester on January 13. (Croos-posted)
  by "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Rick Veague & Rector from *&^%$
  by "Shirley Vanest" <koehnken@comsys.net>
Re: clergy and organists
  by "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com>
Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Happy New Year
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net>
OFF-TOPIC, sorta -- thank you! and some comments (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: 9 Hour Messiaen Marathon Played by Paul Jacobs at Fourth Pres byte ri
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: 9 Hour Messiaen Marathon Played by Paul Jacobs at Fourth Presbyte rian Church in Chicago on 11 January 2002 From: "Cole, Carroll" <CCole@fourthchurch.org> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:15:26 -0600   A Messiaen Marathon The Complete Works of Oliver Messiaen Paul Jacobs, organist Following his widely heralded marathon performances of J. S. Bach's = complete organ works, Paul Jacobs honors the 10th anniversary of Olivier = Messiaen's death by performing the great French composer's complete organ works in = a one-day marathon at the Fourth Presbyterian Church of Chicago.   Friday, 11 January 2002 12:10 until 9:00 p.m. The Fourth Presbyterian Church of Chicago 126 East Chestnut Street, Chicago, IL 60611-2094 312.787.2729, ext. 600 <http://www.fourthchurch.org>=20 A freewill offering will be received. Reduced parking at the rate of $6.75 at 900 North Michigan Avenue after = 5:00 p.m. Enter on Rush or Walton Streets. Ticket must be validated at the concert to receive reduced rate.   "Be on the lookout for Paul Jacobs.... Already a seasoned performer, = [he] is destined for a major career and prominence in [his] chosen vocation." --The American Organist=20   PROGRAM and SCHEDULE The Complete Works of Oliver Messiaen =20 12:10 - 1:15 p.m. L'Ascension, 1933; Messe de la Pentec=F4te, 1950 1:15 - 2:30 p.m. Diptyque, 1928; Les Corps Glorieux, 1939 2:30 - 3:45 p.m. Apparition de l'=C9glise =C9ternelle, 1932; Verset pour la F=EAte de la D=E9dicace, 1960=20 Livre d' Orgue, 1951 4:00 - 5:30 p.m. M=E9ditations sur le Myst=E8re de la Sainte Trinit=E9, = 1928 5:30 - 6:45 p.m. Le Banquet C=E9leste, 1928; La Nativit=E9 du Seigneur, = 1935 7:00 - 9:00 p.m. Livre du Saint Sacrement, 1984   You are invited to come and go during this 9 hour marathon concert. = Plan to meet a friend and enjoy dinner or shopping on Chicago's Magnificent = Mile.=20   ABOUT THE ARTIST Paul Jacobs first came to national attention as a concert organist in = 2000 when he performed the complete organ works of J.S. Bach in 14 = consecutive evenings both in New York City and in Philadelphia shortly after his = 23rd birthday. Later in the year he trumped that achievement by performing = the complete organ works of J. S. Bach in just one day-an 18 hour marathon = in Pittsburgh. During the summer of 2000 he was a featured performer at = the national convention of the American Guild of Organists in Seattle, 1 of = 2 chosen to perform as a "Young Artist."=20 An active recitalist, Mr. Jacobs has memorized the complete organ works = of Brahms, Franck, and Durufl=E9, several suites of Messiaen, much of = Bach, and a vast range of other organ literature. In 2002 he will perform the = complete organ works of Messiaen, in Chicago, Washington, DC, Atlanta, San = Francisco, Minneapolis, and Seattle, and beyond that the complete organ works of = Max Reger in special marathon events. He has taken top prizes in several competitions, including the Albert Schweitzer National Organ = Competition in Connecticut in 1998, and the Fort Wayne National Organ Competition in Indiana in 1999. America's phenomenal young organist Paul Jacobs has = been featured on the National Public Radio program "Pipedreams" in an = all-Bach program.=20 Paul Jacobs began studying the piano at the age of 6 and the organ at = age 13. By the age of 15 he had been appointed the chief organist of a = parish of over 3,500 families in his hometown of Washington, Pennsylvania, and continued his studies with George Rau. He was awarded a full = scholarship to study at the Curtis Institute of Music in Philadelphia, and graduated = with a double major having studied organ with John Weaver, and harpsichord = with Lionel Party. He is currently pursuing a Master's degree at the Yale = School of Music on full scholarship where he studies organ with Thomas Murray. During his student days at Curtis he served as organist at the = Washington Memorial Chapel, and the National Shrine in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. = He is a recent recipient of Yale University's Horatio Parker Memorial = Award at the nomination of the faculty.=20   "There is no doubt he will be one of the leading figures in the organ = world of his generation." -Dr. John Weaver, The Juilliard School, New York City and The Curtis Institute of Music, Philadelphia     C. Carroll Cole, Coordinator of Fine Arts Fourth Presbyterian Church 126 East Chestnut Street, Chicago, IL 60611-2094 312.787.2729, ext. 252 facsimile 312.787.4584 ccole@fourthchurch.org <http://www.fourthchurch.org>=20      
(back) Subject: RE: 9 Hour Messiaen Marathon Played by Paul Jacobs at Fourth Pres byte rian Church in Chicago on 11 January 2002 From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:10:50 -0500   How does one do that it just sounds insanly tiring. And with reference to the Complete Bach, that cannot have possibly been done in one sitting, = could it? Oh yes it was, I just read on,... 18 hours!! I'm impressed. Did = anyone here attend the Bach performances? Robert Colasacco   A Messiaen Marathon The Complete Works of Oliver Messiaen Paul Jacobs, organist Following his widely heralded marathon performances of J. S. Bach's = complete organ works, Paul Jacobs honors the 10th anniversary of Olivier Messiaen's death by performing the great French composer's complete organ works in a one-day marathon at the Fourth Presbyterian Church of Chicago.  
(back) Subject: RE: The Rector From Hell (X-posted) From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:20:27 -0500   Sounds good to me. Want some help? >   Pitchforks and torches? (grin)      
(back) Subject: RE: Rector from Hell From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:22:52 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1952B.4B808210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Here, here. A friend told me early on in my career...... "if you work in churches long enough you will realize why Christians were thrown to the lions.!   Yup Yup Yup....   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1952B.4B808210 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4912.300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D952122214-04012002><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>Here, here.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D952122214-04012002><FONT face=3DGaramond color=3D#800000></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D952122214-04012002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 = size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">A friend told me early on in my career...... "if you = work in churches long enough you will realize why Christians were thrown to the = lions.! <BR><BR>Yup Yup Yup.... <BR><BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's = Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1952B.4B808210--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Rector From Hell From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:33:28 EST   In a message dated Thu, 3 Jan 2002 5:26:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Rodney West <rodneywest72@yahoo.com> writes: > > And remember- > You don't have to accept any rude behavior from > anyone. > this is what my rector did:   first of all, she had lined up a trumpeter, a friend of hers, at the last = minute (which i described on this list a couple of weeks ago). the only = time we could rehearse was at 5 p.m. on christmas eve. there was a 3 p.m. = kiddie service and a 10:30 p.m. service. as the trumpeter and i were = going up to practice after the 3, she was going out the door. she said = to HIM, what are you going to do between 6 and 9? never one word to me = about what I was going to do. what am i, just the hired help? nobody = thought to ask me what i was going to do during that time. i ended up all = alone in the cold parish hall from 6 to 9. it was too far to go home, = which is 45 mins. distance; what would have been the point? i wrote her a = letter which spelled out in plain english what i thought of this church's = christian hospitality, i.e. lack thereof, and have yet to receive any kind = of response. i am hoping she is feeling highly embarrassed, too much so = to reply.   someone said to me, now you know what you would do in the next church. i = said, what would that be? they said, speak up beforehand. i said no way, = that would put that person on the spot and make me and them look foolish. = i feel everybody and nobody is to blame, except the rector, she could have = prevented that from happening. no, next time i will not let myself be put = in that position. i would do a late service, but no 3 p.m. service. they = can get a high schooler to do that.   Merry  
(back) Subject: Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted) From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:34:52 EST   yes, the power-hungry type of rectors, the kind that refuse to delegate, = always invoke canon law. Merry   In a message dated Thu, 3 Jan 2002 5:35:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > Yeah, well, I avoid him as much as possible, but HE has to approve the > music-lists. No way around THAT. And the schedule of Holy Days to be = observed. > And when choir practices can be held. Oh, he's very MUCH in CONTROL. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Adrianne Schutt wrote: > > > At 01:43 PM 03/01/2002 -0800, Bud wrote: > > >Well, HE'S BACK, and he shot down EVERY SINGLE piece of work I did = while > > >he was gone (Epiphany thru Quinquagesima), PLUS Candlemas, PLUS the > > >11:00 choir, which I had volunteers for. > > I heard an actor give a surprisingly sage piece of advice = yesterday: > > > > "Don't ever talk to the (di)rector. Look serious, nod, make > > affirmative noises, and repeat whatever he says back to him. Make = sure not > > to listen to a word he says, then continue exactly as you were. = Anything > > he says will just come back to bite your butt anyway." > > > > Have fun! > > Ad ;-> > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: RE: slider chests From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:40:21 -0500   Thanks. I thought it would actually occur sooner, say around FF. Robert   -----Original Message----- From: Jeff White [mailto:reedstop@prodigy.net] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:17 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: slider chests     > From: COLASACCO, ROBERT > At what point does the resultant become "ineffective" and become just = two > stops on one note? I resultantize only the last note of a = piano/pianissimo > piece where only the Bourdon 16' is in the pedal and the final chord is = C, > i.e., I'm left footing CC and right footing the G above it. > Robert Colasacco   The closer you get to the tenor C in the pedal (central pedalboard), the more obvious it is that it's quinted rather than a true 32'. I had a resultant in my previous position, and if you played the low B, you could hear the F# above it rather clearly.   Jeff     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Rector from Hell From: "Tommy Becnel" <tbecnel@cajunnet.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 08:46:48 -0600   I agree. After having been disposed of by our new assistant just out of = the seminary, after 12 years as organist for the 10 AM mass in my parish, I find it nice to just go to church in another place and sing. I don't have to worry about traveling, being on time, preparing music, or who's going = to show up. I just go to the church I feel like. Nice.   TB     At 09:22 AM 1/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Here, here. > > >A friend told me early on in my career...... "if you work in churches = long >enough you will realize why Christians were thrown to the lions.! > >Yup Yup Yup.... > >Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com >with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" >Duncan, Miles, Molly & >Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains >Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ >    
(back) Subject: Re: Francis Booth, Organ Builder From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:58:52 EST   I cannot imagine any human describing the rebuilding of a large, = double-rise bellows in place as easy or simple. What materials were used? How did the =   skiving of the gussets? how was the hinging done> (Audsley has a good engraving to guide you). Did it look as new when completed, as it should? = All of these volunteers seem ready to work in organbuilding shops.  
(back) Subject: Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted) From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:07:03 -0600   At 07:11 PM 1/3/02 -0800, you wrote: >... He really BELIEVES it's the "privilege of the reverend clergy" to >treat people like shit ...   Its a shame that you do not have a Christian reverend....as our pastor tells it the Devil has placed many of his followers into pulpits in God's Houses...sounds like you got one of them..   jch    
(back) Subject: Ron Reseigh Plays Rochester on January 13. (Croos-posted) From: "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:16:16 -0500   RTOS is pleased to announce that the young and dynamic theater organist = Ron Reseigh will debut at our 4/22 Wurlitzer on Sunday afternoon at 2:30 PM on January 13. This performance will take place in the Auditorium Center, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605.   Tickets at only $10 each (RTOS members' admission is free) for this performance will go on sale at the box office one hour before the performance starts. With 2565 seats available there is room for all.   Rochester currently has a trace of snow on the ground and a total snowfall this season of only 7 inches. Don't let the 7 feet of snow in 4 days of = our neighbor to the west scare you. It didn't affect Rochester!   Lots of information including driving directions, pictures of our installations, and Ron's biography are available at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ . We are looking forward to your = joining us for a wonderful Sunday afternoon of theater organ entertainment.   Regards, Ken Evans    
(back) Subject: Rick Veague & Rector from *&^%$ From: "Shirley Vanest" <koehnken@comsys.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:20:09 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0066_01C19501.017D9D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Rick died this morning at 7:30 a.m. eastern time. We were with him. I = told him last night I'd found a home for his puppy, (BIG DOG) and he gave me a big smile. I also told him I'd found a home for his 2 cats. I think he = was waiting to hear that.   On your Rector from Hell, we just remembered work Rick and my husband did = on a Koehnken last spring. Father SOB never paid Rick. Doesn't want to = spend the money on "that" organ. Wants an electronic keyboard! My husband and = my son rebuilt that organ a few years ago and it's wonderful. One of the oldest around. If they'd just get rid of the rectors and keep the organists, think things would run smoothly!!!   Thanks for all your notes. I read all of them to Rick and received a lot = of smiles.   Shirley White koehnken@comsys.net   To be completely honest is to realize you really are not, therefore? Ness         ------=3D_NextPart_000_0066_01C19501.017D9D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3D4>Rick died this =3D morning at 7:30=3D20 a.m. eastern time.&nbsp; We were with him.&nbsp; I told him last night =3D I'd found=3D20 a home for his puppy, (BIG DOG) and he gave me a big smile.&nbsp; I also = =3D told=3D20 him I'd found a home for his 2 cats.&nbsp; I think he was waiting to =3D hear=3D20 that.&nbsp; </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" =3D size=3D3D4></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3D4>On your Rector from = =3D Hell, we just=3D20 remembered work Rick and my husband did on a Koehnken last spring.&nbsp; = =3D Father=3D20 SOB never paid Rick.&nbsp; Doesn't want to spend the money on "that"=3D20 organ.&nbsp; Wants an electronic keyboard!&nbsp; My husband and my son =3D rebuilt=3D20 that organ a few years ago and it's wonderful.&nbsp; One of the = oldest=3D20 around.&nbsp; If they'd just get rid of the rectors and keep the =3D organists,=3D20 think things would run smoothly!!!</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" =3D size=3D3D4></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3D4>Thanks for all your = =3D notes.&nbsp;=3D20 I read all of them to Rick and received a lot of smiles.&nbsp;=3D20 </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" =3D size=3D3D4></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3D4>Shirley=3D20 White</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3D4><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:koehnken@comsys.net">koehnken@comsys.net</A></FONT></STRON= =3D G></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3D4>To be completely = =3D honest is to=3D20 realize you really are not, therefore?&nbsp; Ness</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"=3D20 size=3D3D4><BR></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0066_01C19501.017D9D80--    
(back) Subject: Re: clergy and organists From: "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:56:29 -0600   Ross--Is this Westminster Abbey clergyperson the same guy who fired Simon Preston, Neary's immediate predecessor ( I think), back around 1987?   If so, that's quite a track record.   Robert Lind     From: Ross & Lynda Wards <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> on 01/03/2002 10:30 PM   Subject: clergy and organists     We do all sympathise with you. Sure, there are indeed clergy-from-hell, as this List so wonderfully puts it. Remember, one from Westminster Abbey got rid of Martin Neary not so long ago - and he was a dear and loveable family man as well as being one of the world's best Directors of Music.                
(back) Subject: Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:29:01 EST   Dear Scott and Bud   This kind of treatment especially if a lot of effort has gone into the = work really hurts. All Clergy at one time or another get into these ruts. It's perhaps time for him to consider a Religious Retreat. Humility is not an ordinary human characteristic, unless the clergyman also takes time out for prayer and reflection everyday. If he's forgotten that, you might as well close up shop. The problem, it seems to me is insulation and isolation. They have a tendency to hold people at bay, and in the = worst cases, contempt. If they are extremely reserved, distant, it shows that the person is afraid that they've lost control and don't quite know how to =   get back in balance. They have a tendency to *over react* which makes the problem worse. A sense of humor helps, but usually they've lost it or = never had one. They usually feel threatened but haven't a clue as to why. Manic depression comes to mind and a tremendous loss of faith, and just going through the motions without any feelings love, or otherwise. They have forgotten WHO they should be working for.   I'll leave it at that!   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Happy New Year From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:39:24 -0500   All:   Let's face it, as controversial as TubaMagna's comments are most of the time( my opinion) , his input is greatly appreciated. Thank God for free speech. I, for one, greatly enjoy hearing from TubaMagna. His experience in the field of organ building is without precedence and he is truly an individual dedicated to the "art" of pipe organ building. How many people like TubaMagna are left today ? Happy New year, TubaMagna. Keep up the good work.     Antoni Scott  
(back) Subject: OFF-TOPIC, sorta -- thank you! and some comments (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 08:56:08 -0800   Thank you all for your very kind expressions of support, both on and off list! You ARE a major source of support for me.   To answer one poster, isolation IS a big problem, both for the rector and for me. There are only two Anglican Catholic churches in Orange County; there are only FIVE west of the Mississippi, I think. We don't HAVE the structure of retreat houses, etc. that is available in ECUSA or the RC church. There's no place for him to go (or at least no place he WILL go) if he WANTED to make a retreat.   My peers have been less than friendly ... I don't know if that's because of the rector's attitude toward other churches, or what. I sent out a "Hi, y'all" letter to members of the AGO when I first came. I think Ron Severin was the only one who responded, perhaps because he's organist at a very similar parish, St. Mary's RC in Huntington Beach, where they have Tridentine Latin Mass every Sunday. HI, RON! (grin)   I think it's partially because most of the organists around here haven't a CLUE as to what I do on Sunday ... substitutes are virtually impossible to find ... and/or the Rite II ECUSA parishes disapprove of us because of who and what we are. I really don't have much common ground with them ... one of their music directors DID come to Mass at St. Matthew's once or twice ... he plays saxophone in their 11:00 combo; I do Gregorian Chant, Victoriana, and fauxbourdons (grin). He was friendly enough, but we really didn't have much to talk about (chuckle).   As to clergy relations and various psychological observations being off-topic, well ... clergy relations, particularly among RCs and Anglicans, are a MAJOR source of problems, according to the Guild. I think the RCs had the highest incidence, followed by the Anglicans, probably because there are fewer checks and balances than in congregationally-governed churches.   Last night I was advised by someone I respect and trust in the parish NOT to talk to our Archbishop, despite the fact that he's a friend of mine, and a thorough-going anglo-catholic. So I have no recourse. The Rector, by ACC canon law, has SOLE charge of the music and musicians; the Vestry is specifically EXCLUDED from anything to do with liturgy OR music.   I will stay until I can't stand it any longer, and/or I find another job. Then I will leave.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: 9 Hour Messiaen Marathon Played by Paul Jacobs at Fourth Pres byte rian C... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:21:52 EST     --part1_cc.46860b2.29673eb0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/4/02 9:11:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > 18 hours!! I'm impressed. Did anyone > here attend the Bach performances? >   Actually, the way it is done is that when everyone falls asleep during a particularly tedious piece, you jump down to the bottom of the program!! = ;-) When you're close to the end you get a couple of friends to make some noise to wake everyone and then finish with the grande LOUD finale!!! ;-)   I think listening to the complete works in one sitting of Messiaen would require great fortitude and much Merlot!!! However, Malcolm Weschler = as done this in three sittings and posted reviews which made it sound very enjoyable (of course, nearly anything would please the ears on that biggy Mander!!). It's all in your attitude, I reckon.   <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_cc.46860b2.29673eb0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/4/02 9:11:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">18 hours!! = &nbsp;I'm impressed. Did anyone <BR>here attend the Bach performances? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Actually, the way it is done is that when everyone falls asleep during = a particularly tedious piece, you jump down to the bottom of the program!! = &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When you're close to the end you get a couple = of friends to make some noise to wake everyone and then finish with the = grande LOUD finale!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>I think listening to the complete works in one sitting of Messiaen = would require great fortitude and much Merlot!!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;However, Malcolm Weschler as done this in = three sittings and posted reviews which made it sound very enjoyable (of = course, nearly anything would please the ears on that biggy Mander!!). = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It's all in your attitude, I reckon. <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_cc.46860b2.29673eb0_boundary--