PipeChat Digest #2628 - Friday, January 4, 2002
 
Lunch on the preacher
  by "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org>
Re: Rector from Hell
  by <Flutepipe@aol.com>
Re: "overblowing" or harmonic pipes an addendum if I may be permitted.
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
clergy
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Rector from Hell
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: Happy New Year (response)
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
"overblowing" pipes MAJOR Error
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Rheinberger vs. AGO
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Rector from Hell
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Happy New Year
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: clergy and organists
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: "overblowing" or harmonic pipes an addendum if I may be permitted.
  by "STEVE BOURNIAS" <yfd4@hotmail.com>
Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted)
  by "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Lunch on the preacher From: "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:12:18 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1955C.1BDE1F5A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   -----Original Message----- From: Icedad@aol.com [mailto:Icedad@aol.com]=3D20 Subject: Re: The Rector From Hell=3D20   =3D20   RUDE RUDE RUDE!!! snip It is a shame that the clergy preach how to be a good Christian and show hospitality, then do the opposite.=3D20   Alan responds:   =3D20   Not doubting for a minute that there is much of what you describe. But, just for balance, I must tell you that my experience in recent years has been much better. =3D20   =3D20   Our former pastor, now retired, lived in the rectory, but had/has a country house in the Poconos, where he spent vacation times, etc. Here in the city he frequently took people to dinner (we're on Restaurant Row); admittedly, there were favorites who were invited more often, and at higher price tags; but everybody got SOME of his largesse. Once a year he'd arrange for a bus to take ANYBODY who wanted to go to go to his country place (very nice place) for a full day of eating and drinking-on him. =3D20   =3D20   He's now retired, but still invites people out to the country place, where he now spends at least half his time. And our NEW pastor, who has a family and thus less time for bar-hopping, etc., still takes me, or the janitor, or our computer techie, to a decent lunch quite often, and has been generous with the Christmas presents as well. And after the annual caroling event, everybody goes to the rectory for a fabulous spread of foods and drinks of all kind.   =3D20   In short, it ain't ALL bad. Or maybe I've just been really lucky. =3D20   =3D20   Alan (wondering, is it because they're Lutheran????)     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1955C.1BDE1F5A Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html>   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">   <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Times New Roman"; color:blue; font-weight:normal; font-style:normal; text-decoration:none none;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>   </head>   <body lang=3D3DEN-US link=3D3Dblue vlink=3D3Dpurple>   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DTahoma><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =3D Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Icedad@aol.com [mailto:Icedad@aol.com] <br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>&nbsp;Subject:</span></b> Re: The = =3D Rector From Hell </span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>RUDE RUDE RUDE!!!<br> <font color=3D3Dblue><span style=3D3D'color:blue'>snip</span></font><br> It is a shame that the clergy preach how to be a good Christian and show hospitality, then do the opposite. <br> <br> <font color=3D3Dblue><span style=3D3D'color:blue'>Alan =3D responds:</span></font></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D4 color=3D3Dblue face=3D3D"Times New = =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D4 color=3D3Dblue face=3D3D"Times New = =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>Not doubting for a minute that =3D there is much of what you describe.&nbsp; But, just for balance, I must tell you = =3D that my experience in recent years has been much better. =3D &nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D4 color=3D3Dblue face=3D3D"Times New = =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D4 color=3D3Dblue face=3D3D"Times New = =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>Our former pastor, now retired, = =3D lived in the rectory, but had/has a country house in the Poconos, where he spent = =3D vacation times, etc.&nbsp; Here in the city he frequently took people to dinner =3D (we&#8217;re on Restaurant Row); admittedly, there were favorites who were invited =3D more often, and at higher price tags; but everybody got SOME of his =3D largesse.&nbsp; Once a year he&#8217;d arrange for a bus to take ANYBODY who wanted to go to = =3D go to his country place (very nice place) for a full day of eating and =3D drinking&#8212;on him.&nbsp; </span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D4 color=3D3Dblue face=3D3D"Times New = =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D4 color=3D3Dblue face=3D3D"Times New = =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>He&#8217;s now retired, but still = =3D invites people out to the country place, where he now spends at least half his time.&nbsp; And our NEW pastor, who has a family and thus less time for bar-hopping, etc., still takes me, or the janitor, or our computer =3D techie, to a decent lunch quite often, and has been generous with the Christmas =3D presents as well.&nbsp; And after the annual caroling event, everybody goes to the =3D rectory for a fabulous spread of foods and drinks of all kind.</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D4 color=3D3Dblue face=3D3D"Times New = =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D4 color=3D3Dblue face=3D3D"Times New = =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>In short, it ain&#8217;t ALL =3D bad.&nbsp; Or maybe I&#8217;ve just been really lucky.&nbsp; </span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D4 color=3D3Dblue face=3D3D"Times New = =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D4 color=3D3Dblue face=3D3D"Times New = =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:blue'>Alan (wondering, is it because =3D they&#8217;re Lutheran????)</span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1955C.1BDE1F5A--  
(back) Subject: Re: Rector from Hell From: <Flutepipe@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:20:16 EST   Bud, List:   I am very sorry that somehow Church leadership do not know the meaning of holiness, instead they think in human terms and do not make decisions with =   God in mind. They want what ever their flesh wants. However, this is not =   limited to any denomination, almost every denomination has the same = problem as I have served at least as a sub, in most and the problems are the same. = The problem is POWER and the manipulation of that POWER. This is the = CONTROL problems that others have spoke of. Jesus never abused his POWER!!!!   This will probably not be solved while you are there, I am afraid. Others have to know how this Rector is, and if the other lay leadership has not taken action on the problem, it will fester until it is dealt with. The musician is always the one that takes the heat, no matter what else is = going on. You will have to decide how much you can take, and for how long of = time. There is not much job security in our field.   As for the person that said that he/she is glad that they are not in the field anymore, there is some of us that is CALLED to this profession, and must earn our bread and butter from it. So just saying that you are glad = you can just go and sing, instead of working, must be wonderful. For most of = us, we do not have the option.   I have been lurking on this list for several months, and this is subject = that makes me turn red and start boiling inside. How can the church minister = to the world, if they can not set a true biblical standard for themselves, = and they then rule only by human terms.   Just my two cents, Elizabeth Kutz  
(back) Subject: Re: "overblowing" or harmonic pipes an addendum if I may be permitted. From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:30:57 EST     --part1_bb.18f8df5e.29677911_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Adding one other thing to the long and thorough posting from Herr gluck... = the other instance where overblowing can be employed is in the voicing of very narrow scaled "orchestral" strings such as 'violin' stops made by WurliTzer and other builders wirking with higher wind pressures. the pipes =   are voiced to overblow to speak the octave, then they are fitted with a 'roller' (which is usually a round wooden dowel) within the ears at the = side of the mouth. this causes the pipe to once again speak at the fundamental pitch, but this results in the production of a very high order of upper harmonics resulting in a very keen tone.   Rick in VA   --part1_bb.18f8df5e.29677911_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Adding one other thing = to the long and thorough posting from Herr gluck... &nbsp;&nbsp;the other = instance where overblowing can be employed is in the voicing of very = narrow scaled "orchestral" strings such as 'violin' stops made by = WurliTzer and other builders wirking with higher wind pressures. the pipes = are voiced to overblow to speak the octave, then they are fitted with a = 'roller' (which is usually a round wooden dowel) within the ears at the = side of the mouth. this causes the pipe to once again speak at the = fundamental pitch, but this results in the production of a very high order = of upper harmonics resulting in a very keen tone. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bb.18f8df5e.29677911_boundary--  
(back) Subject: clergy From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:21:53 +1300   Dear List, I'm sure not all clergy are as bad as has been painted. I've tried to say that at least this fellow (me - chuckle chuckle isn't. And I know many others that aren't bad either, believe me. For example, in St Peter's Anglican, Upper Riccarton, Christchurch, a friend of mine became the Vicar about three years ago and asked what he should do, as the organist was complaining that the organ needed work on it - it was a tracker from the early 1880s with about 8 straight ranks and two electric units as well. As the organ was small and under-powered, and always had been, my comment = was, "Sell it away, get a new tracker for the west end." And he did, to the organist's evident delight - a brandnew Rieger tracker of about 18 stops, though the parish has had to borrow almost the whole sum to do it. Bad? I think not. And another local church, seating about 120, with an average attendance of about 90, that already had a 1-deck & Pedal of ten rks. The church has recently had installed a 4-stop Choir as a 2nd manual, though no one can = say it is needed. And I know many organists who love their clergy dearly and put up with appalling instruments and acoustics because they WANT to worship in that particular parish, for other than musical reasons. I could go, but it'd be boring. Yes, there are, as I've said before, clergy from hell, but there are = others, at least in NZ, who are terribly supportive and find in their musicians close colleagues and friends. In my last parish I've told you of our relationships. I omitted to mention that the Choirmistress resigned three years ago and asked me to take over - she thought I could do a better job (incidentally, I did :-) do a better job). By the way, too, I for one am not even remotely interested in clergy power games - I cannot stand doing admin work of any kind and would much rather = be part of the gang and delegate wherever possible. That's not because I'm lazy, it's just that I'd rather do other things. Regards, Ross (in NZ)        
(back) Subject: Re: Rector from Hell From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 17:03:36 -0500   The surest proof of the divine nature of The Church is the way it survives = the people in it.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Happy New Year (response) From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:19:56 EST   Dear Mr. Scott:   Thank you for your wishes and sentiments. However, you will find that compared to a majority of my colleagues, I do = NOT rank amongst the most knowledgeable, by a very, very long shot. You just happen to read my posts on the list. Several people who "lurk" on these = chat lists have a breadth of knowledge and ability I shall never achieve; they = are just less vociferous than I am, and probably spend their time much more productively than I do.   The fact remains that the truly knowledgeable, brilliant craftsmen do not seem to have the time to write. I was just made Editor of the Journal of American Organbuilding, and it is difficult to solicit articles from the exceptional minds in the field because they are so immersed in their art = and craft that the writing down of their knowledge seems to be set aside. It = is my hope that they will find the time to share, and some good, brief = articles have already made their way to my desk. Even then, THEY are the brains and =   talent, many of them having been organbuilders as long as I have been = alive. I just make it flow on the page.   Anthony Bufano, the late, great curator of The Riverside Church organs, = was a man of such modesty and humility that most people didn't even know he was around. He also knew more about organbuilding than most anybody I had = ever encountered. The most gripping thing I heard said upon his death came from =   Douglass Hunt, who is curator of Saint Bartholomew's instruments as well = as those at Saint John the Divine:   "When Tony died, a library burned."   These chat lists have also taught me a great deal; we all learn from each other. I seem opinionated at times because it is difficult enough to get people the right facts, and when serious misinformation, or = DISinformation, is stated authoritatively, especially by people who then claim that there = is "no future for the pipe organ," it is a frustrating bind. I also find it annoying when people who represent electronic firms give destructive = advice or incorrect facts about organ history, construction, or restoration. = There will always be a place for the electronic imitation, but as an architect, organist, and organbuilder, I will never see a valid reason to combine = such devices with real pipework. (The previous clause should not trigger a discussion -- please).   Chatlist diplomacy is a very difficult prospect -- how does one "protect" = the interests of the pipe organ without appearing sanctimonious? How does one sincerely try to help people without turning others off, those who have no =   interest in what one has to say? What happens when somebody asks a = question, one doesn't have time to answer, and they feel snubbed?   It takes a great deal of energy to write a coherent answer to some organbuilding questions, especially when trying to untangle a lot of previously confused messages. Do I let it go? Is it even my place to say = what I believe is correct? To be brutal, is my knowledge really ANY good or = TRULY valuable? Some definitely think NOT, while others send very nice cards, letters, and emails. It's a mix, like most of life's interactions.   So, once again, I thank you for your good thoughts and words, but one can easily fall off even a small pedistal. Until David and Tim "E-yank" me = off the stage with their virtual vaudeville cane, I shall try to pass on the = bits of knowledge I have. Bear in mind, however, that most of it comes from having learned from others more knowledgeable than myself, and much comes from having made foolish mistakes, which I shall continue to make until my =   employees lock me out of the shop.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: "overblowing" pipes MAJOR Error From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:24:45 EST   Hey folks, I blew it again:   Rick Maryman informed me that I said that the node hole was 4/5ths of the = way up the pipe body, when it is, in fact 4/9ths!!! I'm sure others of you = caught it.   Not that this wouldn't have created an interesting problem for all you voicing students out there. Sorry about that.   Fortunately, I'm headed down to Florida tomorrow for a week. Maybe what's =   left of my brain will thaw out... SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: Rheinberger vs. AGO From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:08:31 -0500   Come to OHS conventions to hear some good Rheinberger.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: Rector from Hell From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:24:17 EST     --part1_6b.206591b8.296793a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/4/02 3:23:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Flutepipe@aol.com writes:     > As for the person that said that he/she is glad that they are not in the =   > field anymore, there is some of us that is CALLED to this profession, = and > must earn our bread and butter from it. So just saying that you are = glad > you > can just go and sing, instead of working, must be wonderful. For most of =   > us, > we do not have the option. >   I beg to differ. You DO have the option, you just have to take it. = Being an organist-choirmaster and serving in church to help the community has = been my calling for as long as I can remember, and was my profession for over thirty-five years. I finally had enough and rather than continue to have = my talents misused, and myself abused emotionall and spiritually, I made the decision to call it quits in the church music arena.   I am presently setting up home businesses so that in a few years I will = have sufficient income to finance my own ministry of sharing my love of the = pipe organ, its music, and God's inspiration for it all with other people.   You DO NOT have to remain in an abusive situation. This is fallacy and = that people think they can only serve God working for a church is one of the reasons that church musicians remain enslaved. You DO NOT have to put = up with it.   God gave us freedom of choice. With each choice there is a consequence. = If you elect to get out and strike up on your own the consequences are hard = work and, perhaps, a little more financial burden in the beginning. But if you =   persevere and use other talents that God has given you, in a few years you =   will realize the dream of fully sharing your music ministry, having = financial security, and NOT having to put up with the politics, egos, and general nastiness now rampant in the churches which you served so lovingly = throughout your career. There is nothing I miss more from my life than worshiping = God as an Episcopalian, but it just is not possible in my life at this time. =   When I have the money in a few years, I can move to a place that has a = church where I can worship, and build a house, get a pipe organ in it, and live = my life peacefully and serve God fully.   <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_6b.206591b8.296793a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/4/02 3:23:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, Flutepipe@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As for the person = that said that he/she is glad that they are not in the <BR>field anymore, there is some of us that is CALLED to this profession, = and <BR>must earn our bread and butter from it. &nbsp;So just saying that you = are glad you <BR>can just go and sing, instead of working, must be wonderful. For most = of us, <BR>we do not have the option. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I beg to differ. &nbsp;You DO have the option, you just have to take = it. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Being an organist-choirmaster and serving in church = to help the community has been my calling for as long as I can remember, = and was my profession for over thirty-five years. &nbsp;I finally had = enough and rather than continue to have my talents misused, and myself = abused emotionall and spiritually, I made the decision to call it quits in = the church music arena. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I am presently setting up home businesses so that in a few years I will have sufficient income to = finance my own ministry of sharing my love of the pipe organ, its music, = and God's inspiration for it all with other people. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>You DO NOT have to remain in an abusive situation. &nbsp;This is = fallacy and that people think they can only serve God working for a church = is one of the reasons that church musicians remain enslaved. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You DO NOT have to put up with it. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>God gave us freedom of choice. &nbsp;&nbsp;With each choice there is a = consequence. &nbsp;If you elect to get out and strike up on your own the = consequences are hard work and, perhaps, a little more financial burden in = the beginning. &nbsp;But if you persevere and use other talents that God = has given you, in a few years you will realize the dream of fully sharing = your music ministry, having financial security, and NOT having to put up = with the politics, egos, and general nastiness now rampant in the churches = which you served so lovingly throughout your career. &nbsp;There is = nothing I miss more from my life than worshiping God as an Episcopalian, = but it just is not possible in my life at this time. &nbsp;&nbsp;When I = have the money in a few years, I can move to a place that has a church = where I can worship, and build a house, get a pipe organ in it, and live = my life peacefully and serve God fully. <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_6b.206591b8.296793a1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Happy New Year From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 19:08:03 -0500       Malcolm Wechsler wrote:   As for "How many people like TubaMagna are left today,"you will be shocked = to discover that there are many, possibly not speaking on pressure quite as = high, or with such unclogged windways, but they are indeed there.   Mike adds: As a very new student of things pipe organic, I will tell you that = they do indeed follow the lists, and if you ask reasonable, earnest questions, you = will find that they will often answer you privately, not wanting to get caught = up in the circus that comprises most of the list's content.      
(back) Subject: Re: clergy and organists From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:15:46 -0800   Better stay off the Westminster Abbey affair I believe. According to the accounts I read through an organization I belong to, there were circumstances there that had to be dealt with. You shoud NEVER condemn a person on hearsay. Robert Lind and Ross are getting into very dangerous water here! Bob Elms.   Robert Lind wrote: > > Ross--Is this Westminster Abbey clergyperson the same guy who = fired > Simon Preston, Neary's immediate predecessor ( I think), back around = 1987? > > If so, that's quite a track record. > > Robert Lind  
(back) Subject: Re: "overblowing" or harmonic pipes an addendum if I may be permitted. From: "STEVE BOURNIAS" <yfd4@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 00:19:59 +0000   <html><div style=3D'background-color:'><DIV> <P>Do not some string pipes speak or overblow at &nbsp;the twelfth before = being fitted with a harmonic bridge or "beard"? Steve in = Ohio<BR><BR></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: RMaryman@aol.com <DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: "PipeChat" <PIPECHAT@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: pipechat@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: "overblowing" or harmonic pipes an addendum if = I may be permitted. <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:30:57 EST <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Adding one other thing to the long and thorough posting = from Herr gluck... <DIV></DIV>&gt;the other instance where overblowing can be employed is in = the voicing of <DIV></DIV>&gt;very narrow scaled "orchestral" strings such as 'violin' = stops made by <DIV></DIV>&gt;WurliTzer and other builders wirking with higher wind = pressures. the pipes <DIV></DIV>&gt;are voiced to overblow to speak the octave, then they are = fitted with a <DIV></DIV>&gt;'roller' (which is usually a round wooden dowel) within the = ears at the side <DIV></DIV>&gt;of the mouth. this causes the pipe to once again speak at = the fundamental <DIV></DIV>&gt;pitch, but this results in the production of a very high = order of upper <DIV></DIV>&gt;harmonics resulting in a very keen tone. <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Rick in VA <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=3Dall><hr>MSN Photos is the easiest way to = share and print your photos: <a = href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag3_etl_EN.asp'>Click Here</a><br></html>  
(back) Subject: Re: The Rector From Hell (X-posted) From: "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:28:15 -0800 (PST)   I do see Neil's point here, and thought about this possibility myself.   However, if it turns out that he's just a mean SOB, a meeting with your senior warden may be necessary.   --- Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote: > A question just popped into my head, primarily > directed to Bud, but I'll ask > it publicly anyway.... > > Could your rector possibly be suffering from a > medical condition, perhaps > even a chemical imbalance that heretofore did not > show itself? > > I do not mean to take his side, of course, but there > is ALWAYS a reason why > behavior is as it is. What you describe in your > posts, Bud, does not sound > like a coherent person, or a happy person, or a > healthy person. > > God bless you Bud, and may He heal your Rector, or > cause him to get on his > everloving knees!! > > Neil Brown > >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com