PipeChat Digest #2631 - Saturday, January 5, 2002
 
Re: Keep Your Pink Trap Shut
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: clergy and organists
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: What is germane to the list?
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
URGENT NEED FOR HYMNS ANCIENT & MODERN (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: clergy and organists
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: John L Bell & Graham Maule
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: What is germane to the list?
  by "Mark Quarmby" <mark_quarmby@yahoo.com>
Re: Mozart organ works
  by "Michael K. Cronin" <mcronin@iag.net>
pipechat and piporg
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
while we're on the subject of academics
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: The Rector From Hell
  by "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com>
RE: Rector from Hell
  by "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com>
Turning the tables on The Rector From Hell
  by "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com>
socializing with clergy
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Mozart organ works
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: socializing with clergy
  by "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com>
Re: while we're on the subject of academics
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Keep Your Pink Trap Shut From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:31:30 EST     --part1_113.a6ecd5b.29689272_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/5/02 11:41:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > That's just one example. I make my music-lists two or three times a year = ... > usually I do Sept-Jan in July or August, Feb-May between Christmas and = New > Year's, and June-July-August in Low Week. If he wants to make changes, = he > has > ample opportunity;   I worked with an assistant rector who was really bad about this. While = the rector was on sabbatical she was in charge, and demanded that I give her = the music list a month in advance. My practice was to prepare it six months = in advance and she already had it. She would wait until Saturday afternoon =   after she had prepared her sermon and THEN change hymns (even after the hymnboards were done!). The choir (all three of them!) bawled and = whined, to no avail. This woman was an impossible control freak. When she did =   not get her way she would first turn on the charm, using liberal amount of =   tears. If that did not work, she would throw a tantrum. If that did not work, she would wait until the last minute and run around tell everyone involved what changes were to be made in the service as the procession was =   lining up.... alas too late for anyone to argue. She was almost toasted = at the cathedral before she was sent into parish exile!!   Unfortunately, there is really no way to deal with these people. They = are GOING to have a confrontation and create a problem so that they then can solve it and appear the hero. I adjourn to the back pew!!!   <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_113.a6ecd5b.29689272_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/5/02 11:41:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">That's just one = example. I make my music-lists two or three times a year ... <BR>usually I do Sept-Jan in July or August, Feb-May between Christmas and = New <BR>Year's, and June-July-August in Low Week. If he wants to make changes, = he has <BR>ample opportunity; </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I worked with an assistant rector who was really bad about this. = &nbsp;&nbsp;While the rector was on sabbatical she was in charge, and = demanded that I give her the music list a month in advance. &nbsp;&nbsp;My = practice was to prepare it six months in advance and she already had it. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She would wait until Saturday afternoon after she had = prepared her sermon and THEN change hymns (even after the hymnboards were = done!). &nbsp;&nbsp;The choir (all three of them!) bawled and whined, to = no avail. &nbsp;&nbsp;This woman was an impossible control freak. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When she did not get her way she would first turn on the = charm, using liberal amount of tears. &nbsp;If that did not work, she = would throw a tantrum. &nbsp;If that did not work, she would wait until = the last minute and run around tell everyone involved what changes were to = be made in the service as the procession was lining up.... alas too late = for anyone to argue. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She was almost toasted a <BR> <BR>Unfortunately, there is really no way to deal with these people. = &nbsp;&nbsp;They are GOING to have a confrontation and create a problem so = that they then can solve it and appear the hero. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I = adjourn to the back pew!!! <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_113.a6ecd5b.29689272_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: clergy and organists From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:28:46 -0600       Barry Bodie wrote:   > No, but the same Dean who fired Martin Neary also fired Malcolm Archer > and had a row with Christopher Brayne, now in the USA. He's noted for > not getting on with musicians. Word has it that there were some > financial improprieties involved with the Martin Neary situation and > even QEII herself got involved.   A couple of years ago, there was a website on which all of the documents were posted, which did include an appeal to the Queen...   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: What is germane to the list? From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:13:25 -0500   Dear Chatpersons,   I want to be clear about the fact that I really enjoy pipechat, BUT I also have to say equally clearly that PipOrg-L is most certainly not "dying on the vine." It remains a great source of information and community. Some = have chafed at its restrictions (including Mr. Bud, who has enough to worry = about for the moment - talk of REAL restrictions!), but there are many good = people on that list who have a lot to offer. Orgue-L, the English list, does at times seem to be moribund, but every once in a while, it surfaces with a brilliant round of commentary before snoozing again for a time. It began life proclaiming openly (and sometimes sneeringly) that it was to be an antidote to what it considered to be the off topic garbage of PipOrg-L. I did not personally find that sort of talk particularly endearing, but = then, there was a certain amount of nastiness from mostly brain dead early = members of pipechat as well, talking of "that other list!" This negative pipechat talk did not come from the list owners, who have always proclaimed pipechat's virtue as simply providing a more relaxed and chatty place for organists to meet, without condemnation of PipOrg-L, the Listmother of us all.   Because of the nasty sneering of some early pipechatters, no longer with = us, it was a real effort for me in the beginning to make myself respond or contribute to it. My earliest OHS postings were only on PipOrg-L, but = David and Tim, who have become good friends, asked me later to put them on pipechat as well, and when I did, they created a wonderful website using = my texts with pictures they had taken of the various artists and venues. One really great feature of PipOrg-L, by the way, is its Archive. I think = there has been talk of creating such a resource for pipechat also, a big job and = a half. Anyway, in the immortal words of Rodney King . . . . oh well, you know! Well, maybe you don't. He said: "Can't we all just get along?" I = don't think he was thinking of clergy at the time! (Just kidding - I have the greatest rector!)   Malcolm Wechsler   ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: What is germane to the list?     > I would also point out that PipeChat is somewhat (a LOT) more relaxed = than either > piporg or piporgue (both of which seem to be dying on the vine) as to = what can > and can't be discussed, though I'm not one of the listowners.        
(back) Subject: URGENT NEED FOR HYMNS ANCIENT & MODERN (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:08:13 -0800   Would someone please post this to "Big Anglican" and piporg, please ... I'M not on either one of THOSE lists.   Cheers,   Bud   *************************************************************   Bud,   The Choir of Holy Trinity Belbroughton is in urgent need to acquire further copies of Hymns Ancient and Modern, New Standard edition. Melody and Harmony editions required.   There should be lots about to buy up second hand, as Common Worship Churches are in the process of moving over to the next release of A+M - Common Praise.   Would you be kind enough to post this requirement to the other lists that you are on and I am not - particularly piporg-l ?   Perfectly willing to pay sensible price for serviceable copies.   Responses by email to mcheckley@mcheckley.fsbusiness.co.uk or, if in the UK, by telephone to my mobile initially (because I don't publish my landline number on the internet for common-sense reasons) 07813 495047   This requirement is becoming URGENT.     Mark Checkley    
(back) Subject: Re: clergy and organists From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:46:30 +1300   I do know the circumstances behind Martin Neary's dismissal. While there = may be said to have been improprieties, there was never any wrongdoing intent = or any possibility of, or interest in, anything for Martin Neary. It was = rather a matter, simplifying things a bit, of whether admin procedures were adequate over certain things. The BBC magazine told the story, so it is = very public. Yes, that Dean has indeed been known for difficulties in relationships = with others. Why the Queen involved? Quite simply because Westminster Abbey is in fact = a "royal peculiar" and is technically known as The Collegiate Church of St Peter at Westminster, and thus the Dean is answerable directly to the sovereign, not to the Bishop of London. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Barry Bodie <bbodie@InfoAve.Net> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:00 AM Subject: RE: clergy and organists     >No, but the same Dean who fired Martin Neary also fired Malcolm Archer >and had a row with Christopher Brayne, now in the USA. He's noted for >not getting on with musicians. Word has it that there were some >financial improprieties involved with the Martin Neary situation and >even QEII herself got involved. > >-----Original Message----- >From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of >Bob Elms >Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:16 PM >To: PipeChat >Subject: Re: clergy and organists > >Better stay off the Westminster Abbey affair I believe. According to the >accounts I read through an organization I belong to, there were >circumstances there that had to be dealt with. You shoud NEVER condemn a >person on hearsay. Robert Lind and Ross are getting into very dangerous >water here! >Bob Elms. > >Robert Lind wrote: >> >> Ross--Is this Westminster Abbey clergyperson the same guy who >fired >> Simon Preston, Neary's immediate predecessor ( I think), back around >1987? >> >> If so, that's quite a track record. >> >> Robert Lind > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: John L Bell & Graham Maule From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:48:17 +1300   John Bell, a Church of Scotland Minister, is very highly respected as a = man and as a musician. He can be contacted through the Church of Scotland in Glasgow, but is so terribly busy all over the place that it takes quite a while to get an answer from him. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Paul Austin <paul-austin@ntlworld.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:45 AM Subject: John L Bell & Graham Maule         Dear list,   Could anybody tell me where I can find information on John L Bell and Graham Maule. I understand that they have written allot of hymn tunes to = go with words written by the Iona Community. I have searched the internet = but have not found any substantial information.   Thankyou in advance.   Paul.   paul-austin@ntlworld.com or paul_austin75@hotmail.com Billingham - UK      
(back) Subject: Re: What is germane to the list? From: "Mark Quarmby" <mark_quarmby@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:56:28 +1100   Bruce has hit the nail on the head. I couldn't agree with him more and it is not just a US issue. Unfortunately, I can think of several churches = (and cathedrals) just here in Sydney where what he says is absolutely true.   Bruce Cornely wrote:   > I think one of the reasons (perhaps, the main reason) that there are = more > clergy problems in the USA is that the church here has become a business > which is run by very incompetent CEOs. There are very few clergy who = are > good administrators, and most people who are in positions of authority > operate on the premise that "it's ONLY the church!" Cheapness, = slovenly > maintenance in all forms, and poor employee relations abound. I once = heard > a clergy wife remark, "I have known so many wonderful people who were = very > wise and care in business who, as soon as they took office on the = Vestry, > had their brains suddenly turned to mush!" The church as we have it = in > the USA has strayed far, far away from the spiritual institution that it = is > supposed to be. I don't think money is the root of all evil, but it > certainly does make it possible to become involved in it! In other > countries where the Church is less commercialized, it has suffered from = poor > attendance, possibly because of "poor marketing," but has fared much = better > spiritually. This is just an observation, however. In any case, I = miss > being around clergy who at least behaved in a "holy" way when out and = about, > and who treated people in a loving and Christian way. I recall being = very > shocked and dismayed in 1978 when I heard my first clergy person swear. > Seems to me, it was the beginning of the end for me.     _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Mozart organ works From: "Michael K. Cronin" <mcronin@iag.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 16:27:56 -0500       Glenda wrote:   > Mozart's B-day is coming up, and I had a question or two: > > But I was looking for something > appropriate for church, and appreciate your help.   Glenda:   "Gloria in Excelsis" from the 12th Mass is fast-paced and interesting, in = C, and rather easy for a good SATB choir. Of course, they don't seem to be = sure whether Mozart wrote it or not. ___________________________ Michael K. Cronin Ormond Beach, FL http://home.iag.net/~mcronin      
(back) Subject: pipechat and piporg From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:12:40 -0800   I don't "chafe under those restrictions" ... I am BANNED from posting on piporg by Master Chi, for the "crime" of asking a serious question about the future relevance of our profession. Master Chi apparently has decided that question FOR our profession, which, according to him, should ONLY be practiced by ACADEMICS in ACADEMIC settings ... the thousands of us who labor "elsewhere" are forbidden to mention or discuss those OTHER venues, or what goes on in them.   Rejoice, fellow organists! Our profession has been saved!   Now to get a PhD and find a college teaching position that'll pay the rent.   Cordially,   Bud Clark a full-time practitioner of the profession in one of those anonymous venues (located in Southern California)    
(back) Subject: while we're on the subject of academics From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:19:51 -0800   About the only thing I learned in the ORGAN department at Oberlin Conservatory was that NO organ music was written from the time of the death of Cesar Franck until Messiaen became active.   Imagine my total and utter surprise in later years when I discovered Reger, Karg-Elert, Rheinberger, Guilmant, Dubois, Boellman, Widor, Vierne, Tournemire, Langlais, Dupre, etc. etc. etc., having paid a fortune to Oberlin for what I was led to believe was a well-rounded musical education.   Ah, the naivet=E9 of Youth ...   Cordially,   Bud Clark (sadder and wiser in his old age, but with a degree from Somewhere Else nonetheless)    
(back) Subject: Re: The Rector From Hell From: "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:29:29 -0800 (PST)     --- MFoxy9795@aol.com wrote:   > i wrote her a letter which spelled out in plain > english what i thought of this church's christian > hospitality, i.e. lack thereof, and have yet to > receive any kind of response. i am hoping she is > feeling highly embarrassed, too much so to reply.   Well, I think it was a mistake to put in writing something that sounds like you are mad at the church. She could use that against you to erode away your support. You against the church rather than you having a personal beef with your rectoress. Whenever you put anything in writing, you have to word it so carefully so as not to give anyone ammunition to use against you later on. All best, Rodney   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/  
(back) Subject: RE: Rector from Hell From: "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:35:57 -0800 (PST)   Good for you that you didn't let the experience ruin your sense of faith and your joy at participating in the Christian community of a church.   If one allows that to happen, then the others have won. Keep your soul intact and don't lose that wonderful individual sense of goodness that you possess inside of you. Remain a child of God, hold up your head tall and proud and be above the pettiness and cattiness of those corrupted clergy folks. If they never learn, they get it in the end anyway because internally they are miserable.   YOU be a happy person.   God bless you, Rodney --- Tommy Becnel <tbecnel@cajunnet.com> wrote: > I agree. After having been disposed of by our new > assistant just out of the > seminary, after 12 years as organist for the 10 AM > mass in my parish, I > find it nice to just go to church in another place > and sing. I don't have > to worry about traveling, being on time, preparing > music, or who's going to > show up. I just go to the church I feel like. Nice. > > TB > >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/  
(back) Subject: Turning the tables on The Rector From Hell From: "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:53:49 -0800 (PST)   Dear Friends, I'm so sorry to take up so much space with replies about this subject, but the letter at the bottom of my email below prompts this response from me, and it is offered as a piece of advice to all of us from a friend who cares a lot about people.   I understand your anger, Daniel, at being treated in such a callous and impersonal way, of being reduced to a mere thing by your pastor, rather than a living, breathing human being with feelings.   Have you thought of trying this: instead of shutting your pastor out (which is an understandable response), try inviting him to your house for dinner; invite family members and a couple of close friends to join you who, like you, will genuinely take interest in your pastor and bring good feelings and humor to the evening. You and the other dinner guests should be attentive to him, surround him with love in your household. When the evening is over, tell him how much you enjoyed having him as a guest and how wonderful his company was. And tell him you look forward to more such evenings.   Now, this will take a lot of guts and pride-swallowing. But I can PERSONALLY vouch for this particular action. It was a most amazing evening and I thank God that I took the time to see through someone's inner pain and outward crabiness and conquer any bad feelings with love. The evening turned him into a friend and was the beginning of building our strong bridge of trust.   We all have been rude to someone at one time or another, sometimes without even realizing it; perhaps we were having a long spell of general crabiness. But how appreciative we would all be if that person, who should by all rights hate our guts, saw through it all and extended a saving hand of love and friendship.   In the end, that says more about us than any other action.   All best, Rodney West   --- Icedad@aol.com wrote: > > I have risen above the bad manners of clergy > and surround myself with > good friends and volunteers and we all go out > together, NEVER asking the > clergy to join us. It is a shame that the clergy > preach how to be a good > Christian and show hospitality, then do the > opposite. Best in the New Year!! > > Daniel >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/  
(back) Subject: socializing with clergy From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 16:25:35 -0800   I think my Rector would be very uncomfortable in my home ... we live in borderline poverty, though we DO have three meals a day, a roof over our heads, and medical insurance. The average income at St. Matthew's is WELL in excess of $100K per annum.   We have two cars, an '82 Chrysler Newport and a '91 Mitsubishi pickup. The Chrysler is comfortable, and mechanically just about everything has been replaced, but cosmetically it's a REAL "welfare wagon" (grin). He has already made snide comments on the occasions when I've had to drive the Chrysler to church because the pickup was in the shop ... it doesn't look "suitable" among all the Rolls, Mercedes, BMWs and SUVs in the church parking lot. I have learned to park it out of sight way around to the other side of the building where the church meets.   He has taken me out to lunch once, shortly after I arrived. I can't AFFORD to take HIM out to lunch; I doubt if he'd eat what I put on our table.   And as for VISITING, I don't even know where our Rectory IS.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Mozart organ works From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:51:37 -0500   >> It borders on "heresy" to suggest that Mozart's "church sonatas" are = not >> "Church music," but, candidly, the aesthetic/spiritual expectations of = music >> in church where Mozart worked or worshiped were quite different from = those >> of most persons now. In similar fashion, I would hesitate to perform = Bach >> cantata arias for the average American congregation, given most = present-day >> congregations' general lack of comprehension of that music and even = those >> texts. (More about this below.) >> > > Oh, HEAVENS, Karl! They fit the TRIDENTINE Roman Catholic Mass = PERFECTLY, and > that's what they were intended for. The defects of the present Anglican = and > Roman liturgies in NO way invalidate Mozart's Masses as cheerful music = written > to the glory of God.   I would stop short of branding current Anglican or Roman liturgies -- = or anyone else's lituriges! -- as defective. People once that that about Bach's music, too, you know. I do NOT suggest that there are no = standards at all, but I DO suggest that the validity of the style and content of any given liturical order is a comlex issue.   Perhaps Mozart's organ works and Chruch sonatas do fit the Tridentine Mass perfectly, but that's of no consequence to us who seek to minister effectively where we are. So, for those of us "unfortunate souls" who don't live with the Tridentine Mass in all its "purity," I repeat: I = don't see these Mozart works as valid in most of our music ministries.   I can't much change or "purify" the liturgy were I am, but I *can* = seek to select and perform music appropriate to it. I suspect most of us are = in the same boat.   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA      
(back) Subject: Re: socializing with clergy From: "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:15:00 -0800 (PST)   Even though my suggestion was for Daniel, it may or may not work in certain cases. If your rector suggests your Chrysler is not suitable, simply ask him the following sobering question:   What was our Lord Jesus riding when he entered Jerusalem for the last time?   RW     --- quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > I think my Rector would be very uncomfortable in my > home ... we live in > borderline poverty, though we DO have three meals a > day, a roof over our > heads, and medical insurance. The average income at > St. Matthew's is WELL > in excess of $100K per annum. > > We have two cars, an '82 Chrysler Newport and a '91 > Mitsubishi pickup. The > Chrysler is comfortable, and mechanically just about > everything has been > replaced, but cosmetically it's a REAL "welfare > wagon" (grin). He has > already made snide comments on the occasions when > I've had to drive the > Chrysler to church because the pickup was in the > shop ... it doesn't look > "suitable" among all the Rolls, Mercedes, BMWs and > SUVs in the church > parking lot. I have learned to park it out of sight > way around to the > other side of the building where the church meets. >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/  
(back) Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of academics From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:15:30 -0800 (PST)   Dear Bud:   I had the same experience during my undergraduate days. We were required to take a year-long course in organ literature. The teacher, who lasted two years, and moved on to Eastman as a librarian, spent only two weeks on literature composed after Bach stating that nothing decent had been written since the death of Bach, and there was no sense wasting time on it. I think we spent one day on Brahms, and about three days on Franck. Some of the others were mentioned briefly, with no music played. Frank played on the funny little organ, which looked like a big cuckoo clock, and of course had flush-toilet action would have been like listening to a pianist playing Chopin on a harpsichord.   Thank God for libraries and recordings. My degree is good only to cover up a hole in the wall. Most of what I know about music was learned after I left there.   D. Keith Morgan     --- quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > About the only thing I learned in the ORGAN > department at Oberlin > Conservatory was that NO organ music was written > from the time of the > death of Cesar Franck until Messiaen became active. > > Imagine my total and utter surprise in later years > when I discovered > Reger, Karg-Elert, Rheinberger, Guilmant, Dubois, > Boellman, Widor, > Vierne, Tournemire, Langlais, Dupre, etc. etc. etc., > having paid a > fortune to Oberlin for what I was led to believe was > a well-rounded > musical education. > > Ah, the naivet=E9 of Youth ... > > Cordially, > > Bud Clark (sadder and wiser in his old age, but with > a degree from > Somewhere Else nonetheless) > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/