PipeChat Digest #2634 - Monday, January 7, 2002
 
Re: Anglican clergy and the law
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Peace and good will in hell - Epiphany
  by <ctwomey@fcgnetworks.net>
Re: while we're on the subject of academics(sort of)
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
Re: Peace and good will in hell - Epiphany
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
Re: Anglican clergy and the law
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: My Update
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Bud and legality
  by "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com>
Re: while we're on the subject of academics(sort of)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: Peace and good will in hell - Epiphany
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Bud and legality
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re:   My Update
  by "Carolyn" <carolyngm@hotmail.com>
Re: John L Bell & Graham Maule
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
New York from Jan 11-13
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Peace and good will in hell - Epiphany
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Anglican clergy and the law From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 14:10:08 -0600       Richard advised Bud:   > Then I would contact a LAWYER and file your lawsuit because this is > INTIMIDATION, Pure and simple! It is illegal and you can bring charges > for this kind of activity. Sounds to me that both the A.B. and the > Rector have "closed ranks" against you.   but there are a couple of things to keep in mind: first, A.B. to whom Bud wrote is properly styled the "late Archbishop"; the current one, with whom Bud seems to have a good relationship is not the one at fault, here, and Bud feels he is in a position where he does not consider bringing this matter to the attention of the current A.B. is a matter he can consider. Second, I suspect that the courts are going to be highly ineffective as a remedy in the situation, as first of all, this is a matter involving the church, and they are often exempt from most employment laws; second, I suspect that the corporation has been carefully engineered so as to make certain that the number of employees of the corporation is smaller than = the threshold and is therefore exempt from most employment legislation on account of its size. Third, I have a feeling that the courts would consider this an internal church matter, and would refuse to take issue citing separation of Church and state issues.   The best thing we can probably do for Bud is find his Rector a different position. How about Chaplain to the researchers at Cape Murdoch? Or perhaps, Missionary Bishop to >opern for suggestions, here<....   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: Peace and good will in hell - Epiphany From: <ctwomey@fcgnetworks.net> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:19:50 -0500 (EST)     > > Would anyone happen to have an English translation for the words to the > "Prayer" in Humperdinck's "Hansel and Gretel"? I could use them. >     When at night I go to sleep, fourteen angels watch do keep Two my head are guarding, two my feet are guiding Two are on my right hand, two are on my left hand Two who warmly cover, two o'er me hover Two to whom 'tis given, to light my steps to Heaven.   Carol    
(back) Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of academics(sort of) From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:15:28 -0500   At 02:19 PM 06/01/2002 +1100, Mark Quarmby wrote: >(SNIP)   > We were also taught that there were no English composers of organ music =   > since John Stanley!   I remember an organ builder who had about the same attitude. In his = view all the worthwhile organ music pre-dated Mendelssohn. I need not add that he is no longer in business. This statement is in the same league as that =   of a prominent recitalist who claimed in one breath that the finest music =   came from Germany and that Germans built the finest organs.   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: Peace and good will in hell - Epiphany From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:36:28 -0500   At 01:56 PM 06/01/2002 -0600, Glenda wrote: >(SNIP) >Deon, you alluded to two tunes unfamiliar to me - Epiphany and >Kilmarnock. Could you hum a few bars for me? Go to http://www.oremus.org/hymnal/index.html and click on the tune index. You will find midi files for both. The tune "Epiphany" is known as " Morning Star" in many hymnals.   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: Anglican clergy and the law From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:52:31 EST     --part1_10c.ad924b0.296a211f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/6/02 3:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, mjolnir@ticnet.com writes:     > The best thing we can probably do for Bud is find his Rector a different > position. How about Chaplain to the researchers at Cape Murdoch? Or > perhaps, Missionary Bishop to >opern for suggestions, here<.... >   I remember a tale about a woman in a previous parish who, one Sunday, accosted the priest after church in front of many people, saying, "You'll = be gone by this time next year and I won't even have to lift a finger!"   Sure enough, a year later he was gone and a parishioner asked her about = her threat the previous year. The woman very proudle admitted that she had indeed cause the rector's departure, but did it by writing to all of her friends all over the country saying what a wonderful rector he was. He = had oodles of offers all year!!   <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_10c.ad924b0.296a211f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/6/02 3:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, mjolnir@ticnet.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The best thing we = can probably do for Bud is find his Rector a different <BR>position. &nbsp;How about Chaplain to the researchers at Cape Murdoch? = &nbsp;Or <BR>perhaps, Missionary Bishop to &nbsp;&gt;opern for suggestions, = here&lt;.... <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I remember a tale about a woman in a previous parish who, one Sunday, = accosted the priest after church in front of many people, saying, "You'll = be gone by this time next year and I won't even have to lift a finger!" <BR> <BR>Sure enough, a year later he was gone and a parishioner asked her = about her threat the previous year. &nbsp;&nbsp;The woman very proudle = admitted that she had indeed cause the rector's departure, but did it by = writing to all of her friends all over the country saying what a wonderful = rector he was. &nbsp;&nbsp;He had oodles of offers all year!! <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_10c.ad924b0.296a211f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: My Update From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:09:38 EST     --part1_f2.14b40140.296a2522_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Thanks, Daniel. I'd be very interested to see the pictures, and really appreciate your keeping us up to date on things in Lunenberg.   Are they going to have to completely demolish the remains of the building = or are they going to be able to reconstruct?     <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_f2.14b40140.296a2522_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks, Daniel. = &nbsp;I'd be very interested to see the pictures, and really appreciate = your keeping us up to date on things in Lunenberg. <BR> <BR>Are they going to have to completely demolish the remains of the = building or are they going to be able to reconstruct? <BR> <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_f2.14b40140.296a2522_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Bud and legality From: "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:49:35 -0800 (PST)   Dear Bud, I don't know what your health problems are, but I get an idea from your description.   Again, refer to my letter about keeping a written record of all your interaction with the rector.   Secondly, if you are have a certain health issue (what you referred to), you may want to schedule a meeting with your lawyer and consult about your options for a wrongful dismissal lawsuit should you be terminated.   This job should not cause you to become sick. And you should be thoroughly aware of your legal rights.   If you are involved in a same-sex partnership, and your state has protective measures of same, then you may find evidence on the part of your rector that he is treating you badly because of your sexuality.   Any gay rights or HIV-AIDS support organization usually has referal information about good lawyers who are sympathetic and may take on a case for little or no charge (pro bono).   You may have a whopping great case if he dismisses you. I think it is indicative of something that he hasn't done this yet. He seems to prefer having you around to beat up on you.   In the long run, it may be worth you taking another job, even if it involves a move cross country. There are many full-time openings advertised.   God bless you, RW           __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/  
(back) Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of academics(sort of) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:34:46 EST   Hi Hugh   I was told recently that it was the Dutch Liturgical Organ that was the ultimate and nothing was written of any value after Jan Pieterzoon Sweelink. :) Now watch the Polish, Hungarians, and the Russians chime in! OUCH! :)   LOL   Ron Severin   PS But you can play Franck, or any of the those other neat composers on one of those stiff, insensitive, non expressive, academic genius = machines? The answer is NO!  
(back) Subject: RE: Peace and good will in hell - Epiphany From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:13:06 -0600   Thanks to all so much for the words to Humperdinck's "Prayer" and for the information regarding the hymns. I absolutely love the tune "Morning Star", and for the life of me cannot tell you why. It reminds me of my childhood, although I did not know this hymn in those days and cannot call to mind another hymn similar to it. But it is not Epiphany without "Brightest and best" to that tune.   Regards,   Glenda Sutton          
(back) Subject: Re: Bud and legality From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:15:28 -0800   I have been an advocate/activist for many years (though I'm not a lawyer), so I am aware of these things. Unfortunately, for the same reason, I am also aware of the limitations of the legal protections afforded me or anyone else in a similar position.   (1) In order to PASS civil rights laws for certain groups in California (or just about anywhere else), non-profits and religious organizations had to be EXEMPTED from them in order to get them PASSED. That's sad, but it's the way it works. We HAVE the expanded laws ... Gov. Davis signed them very recently ... but they don't apply to ME, at least not as regards EMPLOYMENT.   As I noted earlier, because I work for an exempt non-profit, I am also not covered by State disability or unemployment insurance.   Non-profits and religious organizations may basically hire and fire at will, as regards issues of race, creed, national origin, sex, orientation, HIV status, age, weight, looks, association, etc. etc. etc. Whether they SHOULD or not is, of course, a MORAL issue. But it doesn't concern the courts as a LEGAL issue. The Rector could CHOOSE to fire me because I have a BEARD, and I would have no legal recourse.   (2) The body of case-law is against us, and a recent decision in Maryland (in another context) has elevated canon law to a par (if not superior) to civil law. That case is on appeal, and will probably go before the Supreme Court, where (of course) it doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, given the present makeup of the Court.   There was one specific case involving the organist of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in San Francisco. He lost initially ... I don't know if he had the money to appeal. That was some years ago, and I've never heard anything more about it.   (3) On the bright side, California's laws concerning DISABILITY *do* apply to a church, as the federal ADA explicitly allows the States to establish stricter standards (similar to federal and state pollution laws). I researched that in regard to having to have an elevator to the choir loft. They got an exemption for THAT, but firing someone because they're disabled is still against the law in California, church or not.   (4) Intimidation and harassment are EXTREMELY hard to PROVE in a court of law, and, again, the present makeup of the Supreme Court has had a chilling effect on pursuing those types of cases, as most of them have failed before the present Court.   I cannot refrain from noting that the present makeup of the Supreme Court is a FAR more damaging legacy IN THE LONG TERM of the Reagan Years than ANYTHING else, in terms of individual liberties and civil rights.   The Rector cannot fault my WORK, as I have done everything required of me, including the multiple rewrites of large bodies of music. But he doesn't HAVE to have ANY reason to fire me. He just CAN.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: My Update From: "Carolyn" <carolyngm@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 17:19:37 -0700     Daniel - thanks for your update on Lunenberg. Was it you that had info = on the other church fire in the Canadian Maritimes? If so, I'd like to have =   the links to the pictures again.   Carolyn Metz Calgary Alberta     _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.    
(back) Subject: Re: John L Bell & Graham Maule From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:18:14 -0800 (PST)   GIA publishes most of their music. S.Ohmer --- Ross & Lynda Wards <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > John Bell, a Church of Scotland Minister, is > very highly respected as a man > and as a musician. He can be contacted through > the Church of Scotland in > Glasgow, but is so terribly busy all over the > place that it takes quite a > while to get an answer from him. > Ross > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Austin <paul-austin@ntlworld.com> > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:45 AM > Subject: John L Bell & Graham Maule > > > > > Dear list, > > Could anybody tell me where I can find > information on John L Bell and > Graham Maule. I understand that they have > written allot of hymn tunes to go > with words written by the Iona Community. I > have searched the internet but > have not found any substantial information. > > Thankyou in advance. > > Paul. > > paul-austin@ntlworld.com or > paul_austin75@hotmail.com > Billingham - UK > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/  
(back) Subject: New York from Jan 11-13 From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:55:44 EST   I will be in New York and will be staying at the Best Western on 32nd st. =   from jan. 11 to 13. Does anyone know of any good concerts taking place on =   those days? Merry  
(back) Subject: Re: Peace and good will in hell - Epiphany From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:44:21 EST     --part1_36.21430b3a.296a81a5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I love "Morning Star" for "Brightest and Best.." also, but King's or St. John's College used another tune that was absolutely gorgeous. I used it =   with my choir in Houston for Epiphany Evensong and they loved it. = Again, this is an instance where I like to use a familiar tune for most of the stanzas, and then have the choir sing one stanza alone using an alternate tune. I think it really dresses up the hymn and lets the congregation = hear a new tune without being deprived of their favorite.     <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_36.21430b3a.296a81a5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I love "Morning Star" = for "Brightest and Best.." also, but King's or St. John's College used = another tune that was absolutely gorgeous. &nbsp;&nbsp;I used it with my = choir in Houston for Epiphany Evensong and they loved it. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Again, this is an instance where I like to use a = familiar tune for most of the stanzas, and then have the choir sing one = stanza alone using an alternate tune. &nbsp;&nbsp;I think it really = dresses up the hymn and lets the congregation hear a new tune without = being deprived of their favorite. <BR> <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_36.21430b3a.296a81a5_boundary--