PipeChat Digest #2636 - Tuesday, January 8, 2002
 
RE: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted)
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: while we're on the subject of academics(sort of)
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Anglican clergy and the law
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted)
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Sibelius and Finale
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted)
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
RE: Sibelius and Finale
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
notation programs
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Sibelius and Finale
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Messiaen Marathon at Fourth Presbyterian UPDATE.....HOPE TO SEE Y	OU HERE
  by "Cole, Carroll" <CCole@fourthchurch.org>
SOMEWHAT OFF-TOPIC: Sibelius users' meetings and demonstrations  (X-poste
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Sibelius and Finale
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Sibelius and Finale
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Sibelius and Finale
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Westside Presbyterian Church, Ridgewood NJ on fire
  by "Jerrell Kautz" <jkautz@ebicom.net>
Re: Westside Presbyterian Church, Ridgewood NJ on fire
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted) From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:58:20 -0500     I would like to ask those of you who have and use these music software if = 1. they are difficult to learn? 2. How did you learn them? 2a. Did you teach yourself using the manual or did you have to take a course. I've been so intimidated by the idea of using it that I've not purchased it, also I = have a Mac at home, I'm sure you can get a Mac compatible version? Thanks in advance for any replies. Robert Colasacco    
(back) Subject: RE: while we're on the subject of academics(sort of) From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:18:04 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1984F.49ADF4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Well that's the disadvantage of "organizing." As organists we know that moving from one instrument to another presents these kinds of problems, i.e., knowing one's organ of the moment. Yo Yo Ma can carry his precious Cello wherever he goes and sit it on the seat next to himself in first = class having paid for the seat. Can you do that with your organ? AGO standards = or not, no two organs are alike even if they are twins (whatever that means) = so I think these are the challenges to us all and these are the = considerations that have to be factored into a critique of an organist's performance. So think I. Robert B. Colasacco -----Original Message----- From: Innkawgneeto@cs.com [mailto:Innkawgneeto@cs.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 8:38 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of academics(sort of)           I first heard the Stanford Fisk played by a famous French organist in a recital on a Friday night and hated the music and the sound. The next morning a famous American teacher-recitalist played = it and it was wonderful. Both, by the way, played French Baroque music.       Similar to my experience hearing the new Princeton Seminary Fritts (I hope that's correct) last February. By the end of the conference I attended there, the organ had grown on me. Some players, each a top-notch = musician, just didn't capture the essence of that instrument. But, in the hands of Joan Lippincott and David Cherwien, the organ was "magical".   Neil Brown     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1984F.49ADF4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4912.300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D208591014-08012002><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>Well that's the disadvantage of "organizing." As organists we know that moving = from one instrument to another presents these kinds of problems, i.e., knowing = one's organ of the moment. Yo Yo Ma can carry his precious Cello wherever he = goes and sit it on the seat next to himself in first class having paid for the = seat. Can you do that with your organ? AGO standards or not, no two organs are alike = even if they are twins (whatever that means) so I think these are the = challenges to us all and these are the considerations that have to be factored into a = critique of an organist's performance.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D208591014-08012002><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>So think I.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D208591014-08012002><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>Robert B. Colasacco</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D208591014-08012002><FONT face=3DGaramond color=3D#800000></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Innkawgneeto@cs.com [mailto:Innkawgneeto@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 07, 2002 8:38 =   PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: while we're = on the subject of academics(sort of)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">I first heard the Stanford Fisk played by a <BR>famous = French organist in a recital on a Friday night and hated the music and <BR>the = sound. &nbsp;The next morning a famous American teacher-recitalist played it = and <BR>it was wonderful. &nbsp;Both, by the way, played French Baroque music.</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial = color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Similar to my experience hearing the new Princeton Seminary Fritts (I hope that's correct) last February. &nbsp;By the end of = the conference I attended there, the organ had grown on me. &nbsp;Some = players, each a top-notch musician, just didn't capture the essence of that instrument. &nbsp;But, in the hands of Joan Lippincott and David Cherwien, the organ = was "magical". &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR><BR>Neil Brown = <BR></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1984F.49ADF4A0--  
(back) Subject: RE: Anglican clergy and the law From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:27:58 -0600   Yes. Karl wrote me too, and I am set to plain text. However, when I reply to an e-mail from someone else, sometimes that person's format picks up. I can usually tell by the change in font.   There is a setting under your "tools" bar that converts text rich formats to plain text before going out. I don't know if that has fixed the problem in my case, but I have had no more complaints.   Someone with more knowledge and the jargon can perhaps enlighten us all.   Glenda Sutton          
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted) From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:46:11 -0600       "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:   > I would like to ask those of you who have and use these music software = if 1. > they are difficult to learn?   Finale (R) from Coda Music Technology, and Sibelius (R) are both powerful products, and like most powerful products, they both have a learning = curve. I do not yet know Sibelius; I'll let Bud, or others comment on that product   > 2. How did you learn them? 2a. Did you teach > yourself using the manual or did you have to take a course.   I bought a copy of Finale, installed it, and worked through the eight or = ten lesson tutorial that came with the book. In addition, I have had good = response from tech-support at Finale, and there are at least two email lists where "Finale" issues are discussed. A search of Yahoo groups reveals there are = a couple of lists devoted to Sibelius, as well, and there may well be a list = or two which is not operated under the auspices of yahoo.groups.   Users of Sibelius and Finale seem to be quite partisan, and my impression = is that the two systems have very different philosophies involved in their concepts, with Sibelius being thought more friendly by those who are "composers", and Finale seeming to be thought more useful by those who are = more concerned with the appearance of the finished score. The most objective = reviews I have read on the two software packages seem to suggest that on the = whole, Finale is somewhat more powerful of the two packages, and while there are = those who insist it is harder to use, this has not been my experience. Fairness prompts me to note, too, that the power comparison was between Finale and version 1.x of Sibelius; Version 2 is now out, and I have not seen any comparisons between the current Finale version (2002 rev a) and Version 2 = of Sibelius that has not been tainted by strong bias of the reviewer.   The prices of the full Sibelius and Finale product seem to be similar, = however, Finale has three other software packages (in order of decreasing price): Allegro, Printmusic, and Notepad with correspondingly fewer features, the = last being available for free if you download it online. All four packages = will open files created with any other one of the three. I don't know whether = Sibelius has a similar structure of packages, or not. I also don't know whether, = if you buy Printmusic from Coda, and decide early on that you want to upgrade to = a more sophisticated package that Coda would give you a credit on what you spent = on Printmusic.   I do know that Finale, having been originally developed for the Mac is = available on both platforms, and that assuming compatible disk formats, the Windows = and Mac versions will both open files created for the other. I cannot speak = to the availability of a Mac version of Sibelius.   Hope this helps.   ns    
(back) Subject: Sibelius and Finale From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 07:35:20 -0800   I cussed and spit and threatened to throw Sibelius into the swimming pool = for about two weeks (grin) ... then all of a sudden the penny dropped and I = was off and running.   Two points:   (1) I'm an IDIOT when it comes to computers   (2) DON'T try to learn it while you're on deadline to get something = written (grin).     "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:   > I would like to ask those of you who have and use these music software = if 1. > they are difficult to learn? 2. How did you learn them?   I simply looked up each function in the manual as I had to do it, until I = got it down. Sibelius also comes with a cue-card summary of commands.   > 2a. Did you teach > yourself using the manual or did you have to take a course.   Taught myself, with the help of a couple of other Sibelius users on these = lists.   > I've been so > intimidated by the idea of using it that I've not purchased it, also I = have > a Mac at home, I'm sure you can get a Mac compatible version? > Thanks in advance for any replies. > Robert Colasacco >   I presume Sibelius and Finale are available in MAC; I know Sibelius is. = The recent 2.0 upgrade for Sibelius in MAC won't be out until sometime later = this year (next month?), but if you buy the older version now, you get a free upgrade.   Finale USED to be VERY formidable to learn ... I tried a couple of times = and threw up my hands. But with Sibelius nipping at their heels, I understand they've reduced the learning curve to approximately that of Sibelius.   A friend of mine has Finale; he's watched me work on Sibelius; he says = that there are things that Sibelius does more easily. From watching HIM work, = I'd say that includes the handling of text and text underlay, which matters to ME, because everything I write is choral. I have been told that Finale is more oriented toward publishing and instrumental music, while Sibelius is more oriented toward the composer.   More offline, if you like ...   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted) From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:34:41 -0500   At 08:58 AM 08/01/2002 -0500, Robert wrote:   >I would like to ask those of you who have and use these music software if = 1. >they are difficult to learn? 2. How did you learn them? 2a. Did you teach >yourself using the manual or did you have to take a course.   (SNIP) I am not a trained musician ; my interest was to get the text of a hymn inside the lines of music to simplify the learning of parts . NoteWorthy Composer was suggested to me as a simple program to work with and to achieve my ends. Firstly I printed out some of the help topics and after about a half hour = I was able to do what I wanted to do. Go to http://www.noteworthysoftware.com/composer/   HD    
(back) Subject: RE: Sibelius and Finale From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:13:43 -0500   You can download a free trial version of Sibelius to try it out. I think it does everything except "save".   Now I got that a year or so ago, things may have changed, but just go to Sibelius.com and see what they have to offer. Trying it is the only real way to find out what you think yourself.   It took a few tries to get it, but not all that long. I haven't tried Finale.   Diane S.          
(back) Subject: notation programs From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:11:45 -0800   MELODY A, B and C from St. Meinrad Archabbey in Indiana should also be = mentioned for applications like this, if you don't want to learn / can't afford a = high-end program like Sibelius or Finale. It's not a program, but rather music = fonts that work with any high-end word processor like WORD or WordPerfect. It allows = you to put staves, melody lines and texts directly into service-bulletins (for = instance) from within the word-processor.   I haven't really learned it, as I got Sibelius, but the few times I played = with it, it seemed to be pretty straightforward, and could do most things you = need to do for something like a service-bulletin.   St. Meinrad's website:   http://www.saintmeinrad.edu/abbey/liturgic.htm   Be sure you get the MELODY fonts and not the ST. MEINRAD fonts ... the = latter are GREGORIAN notation fonts (grin), if anybody has need of THAT (chuckle) ... = leave it to the Benedictines (grin).   Cheers,   Bud       Hugh Drogemuller wrote:   > At 08:58 AM 08/01/2002 -0500, Robert wrote: > > >I would like to ask those of you who have and use these music software = if 1. > >they are difficult to learn? 2. How did you learn them? 2a. Did you = teach > >yourself using the manual or did you have to take a course. > > (SNIP) > I am not a trained musician ; my interest was to get the text of a = hymn > inside the lines of music to simplify the learning of parts . > NoteWorthy Composer was suggested to me as a simple program to work with > and to achieve my ends. > Firstly I printed out some of the help topics and after about a half = hour I > was able to do what I wanted to do. > Go to http://www.noteworthysoftware.com/composer/ > > HD > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Sibelius and Finale From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:25:41 -0600   > "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote: > >> I would like to ask those of you who have and use these music software = if 1. >> they are difficult to learn? 2. How did you learn them? > I've been a Finale fan ever since it was first published - it had a legendary learning curve then and while it is much easier to learn in its current version, it is still a very complex program. Sibelius on the other hand is a piece of cake to learn, very intuitive. >> 2a. Did you teach >> yourself using the manual or did you have to take a course. > Took courses with Coda Software for Finale. Self-taught on Sibelius using only on-line help, never once referring to the manual. I don't believe = that would be possible with Finale. > >> I've been so >> intimidated by the idea of using it that I've not purchased it, also I = have >> a Mac at home, I'm sure you can get a Mac compatible version? >> Thanks in advance for any replies. >> Robert Colasacco >> > Both are available for the Mac. As with many high-end North American music products, Finale was of course developed for Macintosh only and much later ported to PC's. Sibelius, a European product, was developed on the Wintel platform, later ported to Macintosh.   Incidentally, Mac, with only 5 percent of the total computer market, has over 50 percent of the North American music market, and has earned an even higher market share from music professionals. Similarly with the film industry and high-end publishing.   For a computer neophyte starting out, by all means go with Sibelius. It = will likely do everything you'll ever need. On the other hand, if you want to publish orchestral scores, full scale operas, and the like, Finale is your tool of choice - you can do ANYTHING with this awesome program IF you're willing to spend considerable effort learning how.   Good luck and best wishes, Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: Messiaen Marathon at Fourth Presbyterian UPDATE.....HOPE TO SEE Y OU HERE! From: "Cole, Carroll" <CCole@fourthchurch.org> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:25:29 -0600   There are just 4 more days before Paul Jacobs begins his 9 hour = marathon concert, playing the works of Oliver Messiaen on the 126 Rank Aeolian Skinner Organ at Chicago's Fourth Presbyterian Church. Mr. Jacobs = arrived Sunday afternoon and has been practicing eight to ten hours every day......and believe me, it's going to be a concert to remember! Please = join us for just part or all of the program which begins at 12:10 p.m. = Remember reduced parking at the rate of $6.75 at 900 North Michigan Avenue after = 5:00 p.m. Enter on Rush or Walton Streets. Ticket must be validated at the concert to receive reduced rate. HOPE TO SEE YOU HERE!   A Messiaen Marathon The Complete Works of Oliver Messiaen Paul Jacobs, organist Following his widely heralded marathon performances of J. S. Bach's = complete organ works, Paul Jacobs honors the 10th anniversary of Olivier = Messiaen's death by performing the great French composer's complete organ works in = a one-day marathon at the Fourth Presbyterian Church of Chicago.   Friday, 11 January 2002 12:10 until 9:00 p.m. The Fourth Presbyterian Church of Chicago 126 East Chestnut Street, Chicago, IL 60611-2094 312.787.2729, ext. 600 <http://www.fourthchurch.org>=20 A freewill offering will be received. Reduced parking at the rate of $6.75 at 900 North Michigan Avenue after = 5:00 p.m. Enter on Rush or Walton Streets. Ticket must be validated at the concert to receive reduced rate.   "Be on the lookout for Paul Jacobs.... Already a seasoned performer, = [he] is destined for a major career and prominence in [his] chosen vocation." --The American Organist=20   PROGRAM and SCHEDULE The Complete Works of Oliver Messiaen =20 12:10 - 1:15 p.m. L'Ascension, 1933; Messe de la Pentec=F4te, 1950 1:15 - 2:30 p.m. Diptyque, 1928; Les Corps Glorieux, 1939 2:30 - 3:45 p.m. Apparition de l'=C9glise =C9ternelle, 1932; Verset pour la F=EAte de la D=E9dicace, 1960=20 Livre d' Orgue, 1951 4:00 - 5:30 p.m. M=E9ditations sur le Myst=E8re de la Sainte Trinit=E9, = 1928 5:30 - 6:45 p.m. Le Banquet C=E9leste, 1928; La Nativit=E9 du Seigneur, = 1935 7:00 - 9:00 p.m. Livre du Saint Sacrement, 1984   C. Carroll Cole, Coordinator of Fine Arts Fourth Presbyterian Church 126 East Chestnut Street, Chicago, IL 60611-2094 312.787.2729, ext. 252 facsimile 312.787.4584 ccole@fourthchurch.org <http://www.fourthchurch.org>=20      
(back) Subject: SOMEWHAT OFF-TOPIC: Sibelius users' meetings and demonstrations (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:35:19 -0800   Informal Sibelius users' meetings in Southern California ...   Saturday, January 19th (during the NAMM show in Anaheim, if you're going to that)   Monday, January 21st   Opportunity to meet Ben Finn and the Sibelius folks, and see Sibelius 2.0 in action.       Also, check the Sibelius website,   http://www.sibelius.com/news/demos/   for times and places of demos.       Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: Sibelius and Finale From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:39:28 -0500   Many thanks to all of you who have responded to my questions about music making software. I very much appreciate your suggetions and = recommentaions, except that one person who said, "go get bent" I not quite sure what you mean my that, can you explain, please. (ha,ha,ha, just kidding) Seriously though, thank you all so very much for you help. Robert Colasacco  
(back) Subject: Re: Sibelius and Finale From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:35:51 -0600   At 11:25 AM -0600 1/8/02, Russ Greene wrote: >Both are available for the Mac. As with many high-end North American = music >products, Finale was of course developed for Macintosh only and much = later >ported to PC's. Sibelius, a European product, was developed on the Wintel >platform, later ported to Macintosh.   Actually, Sibelius was developed for another operating system originally. I think it is the "Acorn" OS or something like that - something available only in the UK.   Both programs are available for both MACs and Windows machines. And if I am not mistaken both are cross-platform, meaning that files created with one OS can be opened and worked on with the other OS.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Sibelius and Finale From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:53:13 -0600   On 1/8/02 12:35 PM, David Scribner wrote:   > Actually, Sibelius was developed for another operating system > originally. I think it is the "Acorn" OS or something like that - > something available only in the UK.   Wasn't aware of that but there certainly were several OS's in popular use = in the UK that never really made an impact in other countries, even one developed specifically by the BBC in support of a TV series on personal computing. > > Both programs are available for both MACs and Windows machines. And > if I am not mistaken both are cross-platform, meaning that files > created with one OS can be opened and worked on with the other OS.   Absolutely right, the files are identical regardless of which OS created them, a very pleasant industry trend shared by a number of significant software packages.   Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: Westside Presbyterian Church, Ridgewood NJ on fire From: "Jerrell Kautz" <jkautz@ebicom.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:52:31 -0600   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_101051595141=3D_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I see Westside Presbyterian Church on fire in Ridgewood, NJ   Anyone know what kind of organ is burning up in there, looks like = totally=3D out of control on Fox News.     --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_101051595141=3D_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4912.300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>I see Westside Presbyterian Church on fire in Ridgewood, NJ&nbsp; = </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Anyone know what kind of organ is burning up in there, looks like = totally out of control on Fox News.</DIV></BODY></HTML>     --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_101051595141=3D_--      
(back) Subject: Re: Westside Presbyterian Church, Ridgewood NJ on fire From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:55:58 EST     --part1_3f.499a266.296c9abe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/8/02 1:55:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, = jkautz@ebicom.net writes:     > I see Westside Presbyterian Church on fire in Ridgewood, NJ > > Anyone know what kind of organ is burning up in there, looks like = totally > out of control on Fox News.     A large 3 manual Austin.   --part1_3f.499a266.296c9abe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/8/02 1:55:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, jkautz@ebicom.net writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I see Westside = Presbyterian Church on fire in Ridgewood, NJ&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Anyone know what kind of organ is burning up in there, looks like totally = out of control on Fox News</BLOCKQUOTE>.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">A large 3 manual = Austin.<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_3f.499a266.296c9abe_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:12:18 EST     --part1_24.1ef202c9.296cbab2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Robert, I learned several programs (names escaped!) before I got to Sibelius. Sibelius was wonderfully easy and user friendly. I used their very entertaining and informative manual but most things were self-explanatory on-screen. I really enjoyed it.   At home I have Finale-98 which is more difficult but has it's own = advantages. The manual is not user friendly and in many cases needlessly verbose and =   vague. One great frustration is not finding problems that match up with index names, or instructions that say "go click on X" and there is NO "X" = by that name on the screen. They may have fixed this by now, however.   Having said all of this, I still enjoy writing music by hand.     <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_24.1ef202c9.296cbab2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Robert, <BR>I learned several programs (names escaped!) before I got to Sibelius. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Sibelius was wonderfully easy and user friendly. I used their = very entertaining and informative manual but most things were = self-explanatory on-screen. &nbsp;I really enjoyed it. <BR> <BR>At home I have Finale-98 which is more difficult but has it's own = advantages. &nbsp;&nbsp;The manual is not user friendly and in many cases = needlessly verbose and vague. &nbsp;One great frustration is not finding = problems that match up with index names, or instructions that say "go = click on X" and there is NO "X" by that name on the screen. &nbsp;They may = have fixed this by now, however. <BR> <BR>Having said all of this, I still enjoy writing music by hand. <BR> <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_24.1ef202c9.296cbab2_boundary--