PipeChat Digest #2637 - Tuesday, January 8, 2002
 
RE: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted)
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Westside Presbyterian in Ridgewood, NJ
  by "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com>
Re: while we're on the subject of academics(sort of)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
music notation software vs. manuscript
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Sibelius and Finale
  by "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
Re: Westside Presbyterian in Ridgewood, NJ
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Sibelius and Finale
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Westside Presbyterian in Ridgewood, NJ
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: while we're on the subject of academics(sort of)
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted)
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
MOLLER PIPE ORGAN FOR SALE (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: MOLLER PIPE ORGAN FOR SALE (X-posted)
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
RE: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted)
  by "Bill Morton" <wjm@pacbell.net>
our organ project (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: MOLLER PIPE ORGAN FOR SALE (X-posted)
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@attbi.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted) From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:15:51 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C19889.A6B38950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   So to do I prefer writing by hand. That's the REAL reason why I've procrastinated with these dang things. I just thought it might be good to have if I DO decide to really want a printed look for some reason or other. -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:12 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted)     Robert, I learned several programs (names escaped!) before I got to Sibelius. Sibelius was wonderfully easy and user friendly. I used their very entertaining and informative manual but most things were self-explanatory on-screen. I really enjoyed it.   At home I have Finale-98 which is more difficult but has it's own advantages. The manual is not user friendly and in many cases needlessly verbose and vague. One great frustration is not finding problems that = match up with index names, or instructions that say "go click on X" and there is NO "X" by that name on the screen. They may have fixed this by now, however.   Having said all of this, I still enjoy writing music by hand.     Bruce Cornely <mailto:Cremona502@cs.com> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit HowlingAcres <http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502> and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C19889.A6B38950 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4912.300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D200391421-08012002><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>So to do I prefer writing by hand. That's the REAL reason why I've procrastinated = with these dang things.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D200391421-08012002><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>I just thought it might be good to have if I DO decide to really want a printed = look for some reason or other.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D200391421-08012002><FONT face=3DGaramond color=3D#800000></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D200391421-08012002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:12 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT = face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>Robert, <BR>I learned several programs (names escaped!) before I = got to Sibelius. &nbsp;&nbsp;Sibelius was wonderfully easy and user friendly. I = used their very entertaining and informative manual but most things were self-explanatory on-screen. &nbsp;I really enjoyed it. <BR><BR>At home I = have Finale-98 which is more difficult but has it's own advantages. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The manual is not user friendly and in many cases needlessly verbose and = vague. &nbsp;One great frustration is not finding problems that match up with = index names, or instructions that say "go click on X" and there is NO "X" by = that name on the screen. &nbsp;They may have fixed this by now, however. = <BR><BR>Having said all of this, I still enjoy writing music by hand. = <BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;<I><A href=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I><BR>with the = Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A href=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C19889.A6B38950--  
(back) Subject: Westside Presbyterian in Ridgewood, NJ From: "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:38:27 -0600   If anyone know the details about the Westside Presbyterian Church in Ridgewood, New Jersey burning I would appreciate knowing them.   We were to have installed a new organ there this summer. I did receive a call from the assistant organist from her car in the parking lot while the ruins smoldered--needless to say she was sobbing heavily and details were hard to understand.   Thanks,   C. Joseph Nichols Nichols & Simpson, Inc. www.nicholsandsimpson.com    
(back) Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of academics(sort of) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:40:39 EST     --part1_60.192f9b85.296cc157_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/8/02 9:18:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > AGO standards or not, no two organs are alike even if they are twins > (whatever that means) so I think these are the challenges to us all and > these are the considerations that have to be factored into a critique of = an > organist's performance.   More often than not I think the critique is more the result of the = organist not approaching each instrument as unique and trying to get it to do what they have done on other instruments, or what a composer intended for = another instrument. Each instrument should be approached on ITS own terms.   <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_60.192f9b85.296cc157_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/8/02 9:18:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">AGO standards or not, no two organs are alike even if they are twins = (whatever that means) so I think these are the challenges to us all and = these are the considerations that have to be factored into a critique of = an organist's performance.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>More often than not I think the critique is more the result of the = organist not approaching each instrument as unique and trying to get it to = do what they have done on other instruments, or what a composer intended = for another instrument. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Each instrument should be = approached on ITS own terms. <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_60.192f9b85.296cc157_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:27:30 EST     --part1_191.d09383.296ccc52_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/8/02 4:23:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > So to do I prefer writing by hand. That's the REAL reason why I've > procrastinated with these dang things. > I just thought it might be good to have if I DO decide to really want a > printed look for some reason or other. >   For me it's easier to compose using hand manuscript. But then it is easy = to transfer that to Finale. It does make beautiful copy and can be easily saved and reproduced.   <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_191.d09383.296ccc52_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/8/02 4:23:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">So to do I prefer writing by hand. That's the REAL reason why I've = procrastinated with these dang things.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I just thought it might be good to have if I DO = decide to really want a printed look for some reason or other.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>For me it's easier to compose using hand manuscript. &nbsp;&nbsp;But = then it is easy to transfer that to Finale. &nbsp;&nbsp;It does make = beautiful copy and can be easily saved and reproduced. <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_191.d09383.296ccc52_boundary--  
(back) Subject: music notation software vs. manuscript From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:40:51 -0800     --------------2668CD5F6303583EA8C86C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Oh, y'all ... I said that for YEARS, ever since there was first a primitive notation program for the TRS-80 and my geek-at-the-time tried to get me to get it.   I learned Sibelius JUST in time ... my hands aren't steady enough to do calligraphy anymore, but I can type; my eyes are going ... if I can't see what I'm doing, I just jack up the size of the music on the screen.   It has so many PRACTICAL advantages ... I can e-mail parts to my choir or instrumentalists if I need to ... the ones that have Scorch for Sibelius can also play it back and rehearse with it at home if they miss choir practice.   Simple orchestrations are virtually automatic, and there's no tedious copying out of parts and never knowing until the dress rehearsal if you got them EXACTLY right or not.   Automatic transpositions ... heavens! It's worth it just for THAT.   Cheers,   Bud   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 1/8/02 4:23:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, > RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: > > > >> So to do I prefer writing by hand. That's the REAL reason why I've >> procrastinated with these dang things. >> I just thought it might be good to have if I DO decide to really >> want a printed look for some reason or other. > > For me it's easier to compose using hand manuscript. But then it is > easy to transfer that to Finale. It does make beautiful copy and can > be easily saved and reproduced. > > Bruce Cornely > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Visit HowlingAcres and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly > & Dewi   --------------2668CD5F6303583EA8C86C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Oh, y'all ... I said that for YEARS, ever since there was first a = primitive notation program for the TRS-80 and my geek-at-the-time tried to get me to get it. <p>I learned Sibelius JUST in time ... my hands aren't steady enough to do calligraphy anymore, but I can type; my eyes are going ... if I can't see what I'm doing, I just jack up the size of the music on the screen. <p>It has so many PRACTICAL advantages ... I can e-mail parts to my choir or instrumentalists if I need to ... the ones that have Scorch for = Sibelius can also play it back and rehearse with it at home if they miss choir = practice. <p>Simple orchestrations are virtually automatic, and there's no tedious copying out of parts and never knowing until the dress rehearsal if you got them EXACTLY right or not. <p>Automatic transpositions ... heavens! It's worth it just for THAT. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 1/8/02 4:23:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#800000"><font size=3D-1>So to do I prefer writing by hand. That's the REAL reason why I've = procrastinated with these dang things.</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#800000"><font size=3D-1>I just = thought it might be good to have if I DO decide to really want a printed look for some reason or other.</font></font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>For me = it's easier to compose using hand manuscript.&nbsp;&nbsp; But then it is easy to = transfer that to Finale.&nbsp;&nbsp; It does make beautiful copy and can be easily saved and reproduced.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>&nbsp;<i><a href=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</a></i></font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with the = Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>Visit&nbsp; <i><a href=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</a> = </i>and meet the Baskerbeagles:&nbsp; Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; = Dewi</font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------2668CD5F6303583EA8C86C40--    
(back) Subject: Sibelius and Finale From: "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:35:32 -0600   Greetings:   Finale amoung many of our friends has been nicknamed "The Grand Finale"!   It is an outstanding program but takes time to learn.   The best time to become familiar with Finale is between 10:00 P.M. and = 3:00 A.M. in your P.J.'s with NO interruptions.   It is an outstanding program.   Best wishes,   Tom Gregory   p.s. Unless you use it frequently it is easy to forget many of the controls.     -- Thomas and Patricia Gregory 716 West College Avenue Waukesha WI USA 53186-4569  
(back) Subject: Re: Westside Presbyterian in Ridgewood, NJ From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:43:43 EST     --part1_dc.114a67b6.296cec3f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   One of my favoritest people is Minister of Music at this church. My = prayers go out for the congregation.   Neil Brown   --part1_dc.114a67b6.296cec3f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>One of my favoritest people is Minister of Music at this church. = &nbsp;My prayers go out for the congregation. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown</FONT></HTML>   --part1_dc.114a67b6.296cec3f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Sibelius and Finale From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:44:54 EST     --part1_cc.49c2458.296cec86_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I am using Sibelius right now and love it. If anyone has written psalm settings with it, please e-mail me privately, and tell me how you did it.   Thanks, Neil Brown   --part1_cc.49c2458.296cec86_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>I am using Sibelius right now and love it. &nbsp;If anyone has = written psalm settings with it, please e-mail me privately, and tell me = how you did it. <BR> <BR>Thanks, <BR>Neil Brown</FONT></HTML>   --part1_cc.49c2458.296cec86_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Westside Presbyterian in Ridgewood, NJ From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:59:51 EST     --part1_f7.147c7a02.296cf007_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Here is the link to a brief story of this fire:   http://www.bergenrecord.com       --part1_f7.147c7a02.296cf007_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Here is the link to a brief story of this fire: <BR> <BR>http://www.bergenrecord.com <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_f7.147c7a02.296cf007_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of academics(sort of) From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:57:46 EST   In a message dated 1/8/02 9:19:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:   << Yo Yo Ma can carry his precious Cello wherever he goes and sit it on = the seat next to himself in first class having paid for the seat. >>   Several years ago Yo Yo Ma left his cello in the trunk of a taxicab in New =   York City. Fortunately he did get it back. Two years ago at the International Cello Conference here in Baltimore, a friend's son ended up being Yo Yo Ma's chauffer for the duration (his fraternity had volunteered = to help with non-musical tasks during it to free up the music students to be more closely involved with the activities). There was one morrning when = he had to take Yo Yo Ma to the airport, but Yo Yo wanted to try a certain restaurant in town for breakfast. Initially it was decided to leave the cello in the trunk, but then Yo Yo decided that he'd rather have it with = him. My friends son returned to the car and retrieved it uneventfully. During =   the course of the breakfast, the value of the cello came up. The = chauffer freaked out when he found out he had been carrying something worth = millions of dollars around the streets of Baltimore.  
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted) From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:03:30 EST   In a message dated 1/8/02 8:59:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:   << I would like to ask those of you who have and use these music software = if 1. they are difficult to learn? 2. How did you learn them? 2a. Did you teach yourself using the manual or did you have to take a course. >>   I had been using a DOS-based program called Music Printer Plus for several =   years, and at one point, a rep from Finale told me that it would not be a good investment for me to change to Finale at that point - even though he knew I was ready to buy at that very moment. When the company which = created Music Printer Plus let it be known that it was going to let it die a slow death, I went and bought a copy of Finale (at a competitive upgrade = price). I had it on my computers for several years, and everytime I sat down and tried to learn it, I got incredibly frustrated, and gave up (thinking how quickly I could do what I needed to on Music Printer Plus). I worked = several people who were very fluent in Finale, and were very obliging to be = helpful with questions I had, but eventually I decided it wasn't worth the hassle. = I saw a demo of Sibelius at an MENC convention, and based on several other recommendations, bought it. The first day I had it, I was able to produce =   acceptable looking scores. I read throught the manual, and then just = played with it, and learned most of the tricks of it. It was much easier than Finale to learn (IMHO).  
(back) Subject: MOLLER PIPE ORGAN FOR SALE (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:55:03 -0800   2 manuals, 11 ranks (NOT an Artiste), 1966, professionally removed, crated and stored, January 2001, from St. James Episcopal Church, Newport Beach CA USA. Was all in good working order at that time. Complete except for blower, recifier, and individual swell shade pneumatics. All ranks independent unless noted. Stoplist:   SWELL (enclosed, 61 notes)   8' Gedeckt 8' Viola 4' Nachthorn 2' Flautino 8' Trompette   Sw. 16-U-4 Tremulant   GREAT (exposed, 61 notes)   8' Principal - newer - replaced 19?? 4' Octave 2' Fifteenth   (enclosed, separate box and shoe from Swell))   8' Hohl Flute 8' Dulciana - was tuned as celeste at time of removal   Chimes   Gt. 16-U-4 Sw/Gt 16-8-4   PEDAL (partially enclosed, 32 notes)   16' Bourdon 16' Gedeckt - ext. sw. 8' Bass Flute - 12 pipes - ext. Bourdon 8' Gedeckt - sw 4' Flute - 12 pipes - ext. Bourdon   Sw/Ped 8-4 Gt/Ped 8-4 (?)   CONSOLE   electro-pneumatic, hold-set combination action, generals and divisionals, ivory keys   EXPRESSION   Swell Great Crescendo   No case; organ was installed in a large chamber with the two swell enclosures. Well-cared for in its original home.   ASKING PRICE:   US $25,000.00 firm, cash or certified check only. Buyer to remove from storage BEFORE Feb. 1, 2002. Located in Cosa Mesa, Orange County, Southern California.   CONTACT:   Bud Clark, e-mail above, or (714) 840-9956, 9 a.m. - 9 p.m. Pacific Time    
(back) Subject: Re: MOLLER PIPE ORGAN FOR SALE (X-posted) From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:51:34 -0500   Dear Bud, Did your church decide to not install the pipe organ. I thought that you were originally pleased that you were able to get your hands on this organ. Sincerely, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "+mailing list, ANGLICAN-MUSIC" <anglican-music@list.stsams.org>; "organchat" <organchat@egroups.com>; "pipechat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: MOLLER PIPE ORGAN FOR SALE (X-posted)     > 2 manuals, 11 ranks (NOT an Artiste), 1966, professionally removed, > crated and stored, January 2001, from St. James Episcopal Church, > Newport Beach CA USA. Was all in good working order at that time. > Complete except for blower, recifier, and individual swell shade > pneumatics. All ranks independent unless noted. Stoplist: > > SWELL (enclosed, 61 notes) > > 8' Gedeckt > 8' Viola > 4' Nachthorn > 2' Flautino > 8' Trompette > > Sw. 16-U-4 > Tremulant > > GREAT (exposed, 61 notes) > > 8' Principal - newer - replaced 19?? > 4' Octave > 2' Fifteenth > > (enclosed, separate box and shoe from Swell)) > > 8' Hohl Flute > 8' Dulciana - was tuned as celeste at time of removal > > Chimes > > Gt. 16-U-4 > Sw/Gt 16-8-4 > > PEDAL (partially enclosed, 32 notes) > > 16' Bourdon > 16' Gedeckt - ext. sw. > 8' Bass Flute - 12 pipes - ext. Bourdon > 8' Gedeckt - sw > 4' Flute - 12 pipes - ext. Bourdon > > Sw/Ped 8-4 > Gt/Ped 8-4 (?) > > CONSOLE > > electro-pneumatic, hold-set combination action, generals and > divisionals, ivory keys > > EXPRESSION > > Swell > Great > Crescendo > > No case; organ was installed in a large chamber with the two swell > enclosures. Well-cared for in its original home. > > ASKING PRICE: > > US $25,000.00 firm, cash or certified check only. Buyer to remove from > storage BEFORE Feb. 1, 2002. Located in Cosa Mesa, Orange County, > Southern California. > > CONTACT: > > Bud Clark, e-mail above, or > (714) 840-9956, 9 a.m. - 9 p.m. Pacific Time > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: RE: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted) From: "Bill Morton" <wjm@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:00:21 -0800     --Boundary_(ID_ATv++BgUgMI1+2AvMMBuTA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   At 08:58 AM 1/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:   I have looked at demo versions for both Sibelius and Finale. I think my feeling is that while Finale may have a more complete palette of capabilities, learning to use it is significantly harder than learning Sibelius, which has a wonderful user interface.   I would love to have a copy of Sibelius, but it is beyond my budget now that I'm retired. (Would also love to have a copy of the OED on CD---it = is also a little expensive <g>)   If you have never used either, I think Sibelius is probably easier to learn, but Finale probably can produce more professional-looking scores.   My comments are those of an amateur--not a professional musician or = composer.   --Boundary_(ID_ATv++BgUgMI1+2AvMMBuTA) Content-type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   <html> <font size=3D3>At 08:58 AM 1/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:<br><br> I have looked at demo versions for both Sibelius and Finale.&nbsp; I think my feeling<br> is that while Finale may have a more complete palette of capabilities, learning to<br> use it is significantly harder than learning Sibelius, which has a wonderful user<br> interface.<br><br> I would love to have a copy of Sibelius, but it is beyond my budget now<br> that I'm retired.&nbsp; (Would also love to have a copy of the OED on CD---it is <br> also a little expensive &lt;g&gt;)<br><br> If you have never used either, I think Sibelius is probably easier to learn, but<br> Finale probably can produce more professional-looking scores.<br><br> My comments are those of an amateur--not a professional musician or composer.</font></html>   --Boundary_(ID_ATv++BgUgMI1+2AvMMBuTA)--  
(back) Subject: our organ project (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:10:42 -0800   The short version: the organ committee voted tonight to sell the Moller. *I* thought the meeting was to sign the Design Agreement with Holtkamp. Oh well.   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: MOLLER PIPE ORGAN FOR SALE (X-posted) From: "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@attbi.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:17:28 -0800   There is a 9 rank Moller for sale in Oakland,CA at the Our Lady Of Lourdes Catholic Church. It has a 16' Contrebass, a 16' String extention from the swell viola, and a 16' Bourdon -- all rather expensive pipework. Built in 1960 opus 9421. Contact Fr. Genavese at 510/451-1790 for any details.   The above church was told, by a major organ builder in the area that the organ was worth $20,000 about five years ago. It was/is listed by OCH. There have been no takers and the last I heard, the price was down to $12,000.   I have purchased two Mollers, not Artistes, in the last six years that were build in the 60's. A 12 rank was purchased for $9,000.00 and a 10 rank with 16' Contrebass for $6,000.   It would be interesting to know who came up with the $25,000.00 price and what it finally sells for!   Blaine Ricketts Castro Valley, CA     quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > 2 manuals, 11 ranks (NOT an Artiste), etc.