PipeChat Digest #2640 - Wednesday, January 9, 2002
 
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  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted)
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
OFF-TOPIC: the death of a pet
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re:
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Bach at Naumburg, and Noehren Plays Bach in U. S.
  by "William T. Van Pelt III" <wvanpelt@erols.com>
What to do with the Mighty Mo?
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: the day from hell (X-posted)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
another NZ organ
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
history
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: the day from hell (X-posted)
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: the day from hell (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Pipe Organs for CHEAP
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Re: Pipe Organs for CHEAP
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:53:37 +1300   Dear Ron et al. Thanks for that Mollema specification just posted. It looks WOW! to say = the least. Believe me, I'm not competing with the high-end fellows. That organ will be way, way, way ahead of mine. My instrument is only of stuff I've been able to get dirt cheap, i.e. = below $50 a rank, often as gifts. The room it'll be in, which includes the space the organ will stand in, is 1200 sq.ft, i.e. about 30ft by 40ft, only 8ft high at the eaves and 12ft in the lengthwise ceiling ridge. My two = pressures will be just 2.25" and 3". Too, I'll have no pistons and no Swell boxes, = and there'll be total blower horsepower of about 3, spread over 3 blowers. A friend suggested I need a 32ft - so I suggested he make a stopped mitred haskelled something - the only way I could get such a rank in (joke, = joke). Seriously, there won't even be an open 16ft. Opportunities for getting hold of stuff in New Zealand are very seriously limited as we have such a small total population - under 4,000,000. Too, with having been a clergyman, my funds are to say the least less than optimum. With that, and having shifted around from parish to parish over = the years, I'm extremely fortunate to have been able to store so much. I'm aiming to get about 10 ranks going this year, and then add stuff as I can acquire magnets and solid-state. So, to begin with, it looks as if my only playable ranks will be my small Positive of five stops on one deck, my Trumpet on the 4th, and 3 or 4 = ranks of flues and Principals on the other two decks, with a couple of Pedal 16fts - SubBass and Trombone, plus their extensions. We'll see.....my organbuilder friend is coming here on Saturday to take = away a couple of chests and decide which ranks to put on them. Regards, Ross      
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: computer help (X-posted) From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:03:36 EST   In a message dated 1/8/02 11:03:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, = wjm@pacbell.net writes:   << I would love to have a copy of Sibelius, but it is beyond my budget now =   that I'm retired. >>   There are many ways to qualify for the Educator's Discount on Sibelius. I =   got my copy at that price through being a member of the American String Teacher's Association.  
(back) Subject: OFF-TOPIC: the death of a pet From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:28:35 -0800   I found this on the Net:   http://www.petloss.com/   It was very helpful.   I was around the Old Catholics enough to absorb their theology of pets .... they come from God; they return to God; no muss, no fuss.   I believe Skipper, Sugar, Ginger, Tramp, Wolfie, Princess, Pumpkin, Tigger the First, Friskers, Gandalf, Ms. Kitty and Baron will be waiting for me in Heaven ... my own little Diptychs ... I remember all their names, even after fifty years.   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:31:22 EST     --part1_a3.21c4cd3a.296e3ada_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/9/02 5:39:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes:     > A friend suggested I need a 32ft - so I suggested he make a stopped = mitred > haskelled something - the only way I could get such a rank in (joke, = joke). >   Ross, You should have your 32 open rank built into the floor, or more = specifically, THE floor. Think how much fun it would be to feel those notes going = beneath your chair!! wooooohooooooooooooo   <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_a3.21c4cd3a.296e3ada_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/9/02 5:39:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A friend suggested = I need a 32ft - so I suggested he make a stopped mitred <BR>haskelled something - the only way I could get such a rank in (joke, = joke). <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Ross, <BR>You should have your 32 open rank built into the floor, or more = specifically, THE floor. &nbsp;Think how much fun it would be to feel = those notes going beneath your chair!! &nbsp; <BR>wooooohooooooooooooo <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_a3.21c4cd3a.296e3ada_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Bach at Naumburg, and Noehren Plays Bach in U. S. From: "William T. Van Pelt III" <wvanpelt@erols.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 19:55:29 -0500   Stephen Bicknell wrote to PIPORG-L on January 7:   "Robert Clark's 2CD recording of Bach organ music on the Hildebrandt organ of 1743-6 in St. Wenceslaus, Naumburg is a landmark release . . . .. . . ". . . I cannot reccomend this 2-CD set highly enough. It is a very important acquisition. Many recent recordings have given us a partial insight into the tonal world Bach inhabited, and these include performances on the larger organs of Gottfried Silbermann and Arp Schnitger, on the Trost at Altenburg, on the Treutmann at Grauhof and even on the Herbst at Lahm-in-Itzgrund. But none have grasped the nettle quite as successfully as this issue from Naumburg. Many vital questions are raised by the vivid colours heard here, and I think that already there is a completely new range of answers. A new chapter opens."   This CD is available from OHS http://www.ohscatalog.org It is the second item listed on the opening page at the moment.   Interestingly enough, the first CD on the opening page is a recording by Robert Noehren of Bach works he recorded in 1980 on organs he, himself, built. These superb performances were never released in any format, and now are available on CD!   If I may say so, Stephen Bicknell's posting on January 7 is superbly written (of course) and greatly appreciated for the way he so (seemingly) effortlessly conveys the overwhelming importance of the lessons that the Naumburg organ is teaching. Thanks, Stephen.   For the reason of what this organ has to tell us, I am greatly looking forward to the Naumburg Conference that is planned August 8 to 22, 2002, by the University of Nebraska, Lincoln, with Robert Clark, Christoph Wolff, George Ritchie, and Quentin Faulkner. Information on the Naumburg Conference is available at http://www.matterhorntravel.com/celebration_bach_luther.htm   Bill  
(back) Subject: What to do with the Mighty Mo? From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:47:53 -0800 (PST)   Bud, ranks don't take a lot of storage room, if they still want to pursue = a pipe organ but don't want to store the Moller, sell the console and chests, and what ever else = you don't really want to use in a new instrument for what ever you can get and take the loss.   Rather than dismiss the instrument as not being worth 25K, I'll put it = another way: personally, I would gladly pay that amount if the organ was a *perfect* match for my = available space, and I had money to do the releathering, etc., better yet if the chests are deemed to = make it for 10-15 years! Pipework is (again in my opinion) not as important as useablilty of = the mechanics as even new pipe ranks are relatively inexpensive, and Mollers from that era had = fairly nice flutes, strings and reeds, even if the Principals could be rather - strange?   See if you can move the instrument and if you don't, or get unacceptable = offers, suggest that they keep at least the Bourdon and 16' octave of the swell extension, and/or as = much of the pipework as can be stored. Other then the 16 and 8' basses the rest of the 11 ranks = should fit in a closet!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry, Director of Music Ministry & Organist Mona Dena, Assistant & Principal Conductor The Episcopal Church of St. Peter 178 Clinton Street Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/  
(back) Subject: Re: the day from hell (X-posted) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:59:16 -0600   Our sheltie, Mungo, died in 1998, and I still miss him. I was thinking about him only today. We have two other dogs, one of whom hasn't been the same since the sheltie died, and my wife says that if anything happens to either of them we will get Another Sheltie. I agree. (Hard luck, Bruce, not a beagle -- although one of our two dogs is part beagle and does ARROOOOH!). So my sympathies are with you, Bud, shelties are the best.   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "+mailing list, ANGLICAN-MUSIC" <anglican-music@list.stsams.org>; "pipechat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>; "organchat" <organchat@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:13 AM Subject: the day from hell (X-posted)     > My 20-year-old Sheltie is dying ... we'll probably have to have him put > down tomorrow. > > This has TRULY been the day from hell.      
(back) Subject: another NZ organ From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:29:20 +1300   Time to send this List another NZ organ, a little one that is never impressive but solidly does its duty year after year. KINGSLAND METHODIST, AUCKLAND Built by Geo.Croft of Auckland and opened in June 1923. Cost a little over 600 pounds. Installed at the east end of the church, a smallish wooden building with a high roof. The sound is rather dull and ordinary, on about 3" wind. The reed was imported, all other pipes being made by Geo.Croft himself. GREAT 8 Open Diapason (basses in showcase) 8 Dulciana (1-12 stopt wood) 4 Wald Flute (metal)   SWELL 8 Clarinet Flute (all stopt wood) 8 Gamba (Quintaton-like stopt wood bass) 4 Principal 8 Oboe (CC)   PEDAL 16 Bourdon spare knob-hole in stop-jamb   SwGt SwPed GtPed   Tremulant no other accessories.   I played a service on this organ back in 1977 - I think 28 people were present. One thing is certain - the organ will never wear out, whatever we might think of its design. Croft always insisted on a Diapason of some = pitch in the Swell to give something to tune to. He was NZ's best builder for many years, beginning work in 1898 when in = his early 20s.   Just thought I'd begin my postings on NZ organs with an very basic one and work up to things more impressive. :-)   Regards, Ross      
(back) Subject: history From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:43:32 +1300   Dear List, Way back in 1965 when I was just 23 years old I wrote a group of little articles for the New Zealand Presbyterian ministers' magazine "Forum". The title was "The King of Instruments" and I subtitled it, "A series of articles about the organ, its history, design, construction, tonal design, layout, use, music, placement, and its acoustic requirements." What an arrogant young know-all I must have been, attempting at that tender age, with only a BA in Education and Psychology to my name, and with only one year of organ lessons under my belt, to attempt such an all-inclusive task!!!!! However, whatever, moreover ;-) Anyway, still trying to get my retirement house in order, I found about 20 copies of these articles this morning and wonder if anyone would like a copy, just for the fun of reading what a hooked-organ-enthusiast wrote = like back then. If you want a copy, totalling about 25 pages, send me a $5 bill to cover postage and I'll send it over airmail. I promise (grins) not to be emotionally scarred if no one wants a copy. Ross      
(back) Subject: Re: the day from hell (X-posted) From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:10:44 EST     --part1_2d.169a5d07.296e6e44_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bud, I am so sorry about your Sheltie. I know if I lost Prissy, it would = be like loosing a member of the family. I really feel for you and pray for = you in your grief. Lee   --part1_2d.169a5d07.296e6e44_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bud, I am so sorry = about your Sheltie. &nbsp;I know if I lost Prissy, it would be like = loosing a member of the family. &nbsp;I really feel for you and pray for = you in your grief. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_2d.169a5d07.296e6e44_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: the day from hell (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:41:04 -0800     --------------C1C64D00E308AAC855E055F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Thank you, Lee.   Bud   Chicaleee@aol.com wrote:   > Bud, I am so sorry about your Sheltie. I know if I lost Prissy, it > would be like loosing a member of the family. I really feel for you > and pray for you in your grief. Lee   --------------C1C64D00E308AAC855E055F2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Thank you, Lee. <p>Bud <p>Chicaleee@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font = size=3D-1>Bud, I am so sorry about your Sheltie.&nbsp; I know if I lost Prissy, it would be like loosing a member of the family.&nbsp; I really feel for you and pray for you in your grief.&nbsp; Lee</font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------C1C64D00E308AAC855E055F2--    
(back) Subject: Pipe Organs for CHEAP From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:19:58 EST   Hey All, I have spoken with many friends about this issue...A good friend = of mine, a Catholic priest, has a small congregation that is not wealthy. = This congregation is in need of a new organ, and the pastor wants to go pipe, = in effort to breath some fresh air into the sad state of the music program. = The space is rather large, seating about 500, and the church would like to go with a pipe instrument that could fill the room and stay under 50K! I know =   this could be possible, but I don't know how to go about doing it. They = have a small choir loft in the rear of the church, and the pastor encourages blocking the window, as he doesn't like it! HA! I estimate that this = church needs a good robust plenum, a weighty 16' Bourdon, a fundamental reed, and =   some bold flutes, but I don't know how to go about getting them started. = Let the suggestions roll...   -Pete Isherwood  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs for CHEAP From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:26:57 -0800   Buy my Moller ... it'd be big enough sound ... and they MIGHT get it moved = and installed for their budget, if they had lots of volunteer labor.   Bud   Oboe32@aol.com wrote:   > Hey All, > I have spoken with many friends about this issue...A good friend = of > mine, a Catholic priest, has a small congregation that is not wealthy. = This > congregation is in need of a new organ, and the pastor wants to go pipe, = in > effort to breath some fresh air into the sad state of the music program. = The > space is rather large, seating about 500, and the church would like to = go > with a pipe instrument that could fill the room and stay under 50K! I = know > this could be possible, but I don't know how to go about doing it. They = have > a small choir loft in the rear of the church, and the pastor encourages > blocking the window, as he doesn't like it! HA! I estimate that this = church > needs a good robust plenum, a weighty 16' Bourdon, a fundamental reed, = and > some bold flutes, but I don't know how to go about getting them started. = Let > the suggestions roll... > > -Pete Isherwood > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org