PipeChat Digest #2643 - Friday, January 11, 2002
 
Re: Pipe Organs for CHEAP
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: [organchat] Re: ScottsFox Mollema Residence X-Posted
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2642 - 01/10/02
  by "Ken_Earl01" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com>
Need winker or diagram
  by "Bob K." <rkinner@one.net>
Re: our organ project (X-posted)
  by "Tommy Becnel" <tbecnel@cajunnet.com>
Totally off-topic casserole query . . .
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: our organ project (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Pipe Organs for CHEAP
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
Re: Pipe Organs for CHEAP
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Totally off-topic casserole query . . .
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Totally off-topic casserole query . . .
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
Leo Sowerby - Interlude
  by "Richard Dostie" <rmdostie@hotmail.com>
RE: Totally off-topic casserole query . . .
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: another NZ organ
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Totally off-topic casserole query . . .
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
Re: Pipe Organs for CHEAP
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
small organs for RC churches
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs for CHEAP From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:30:03 -0500   Go to Organ Clearing House (866) 827-3055 John@organclearinghouse.com http://www.organclearinghousecom/   It's a MUST!!   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA   > From: Oboe32@aol.com > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:19:58 EST > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Pipe Organs for CHEAP > > Hey All, > I have spoken with many friends about this issue...A good friend of > mine, a Catholic priest, has a small congregation that is not wealthy. = This > congregation is in need of a new organ, and the pastor wants to go pipe, = in > effort to breath some fresh air into the sad state of the music program. = The > space is rather large, seating about 500, and the church would like to = go > with a pipe instrument that could fill the room and stay under 50K! I = know > this could be possible, but I don't know how to go about doing it. They = have > a small choir loft in the rear of the church, and the pastor encourages > blocking the window, as he doesn't like it! HA! I estimate that this = church > needs a good robust plenum, a weighty 16' Bourdon, a fundamental reed, = and > some bold flutes, but I don't know how to go about getting them started. = Let > the suggestions roll... > > -Pete Isherwood > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: [organchat] Re: ScottsFox Mollema Residence X-Posted From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:07:38 -0600   At 3:08 PM -0600 1/10/02, jch wrote: >I missed this reference in the original post. For those of us who >are ATOS members a feature article is in the Jan/Feb 2002 issue, >complete with a photo layout. If you are not an ATOS member, it >would be worthwhile to BUG a friend who is a member to borrow this >issue.   Or Better Yet - JOIN and ask that your subscription start with this issue   David  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2642 - 01/10/02 From: "Ken_Earl01" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:14:31 -0000   I found the comments about divided organs interesting, especially as an innumberable number of UK cathedrals and large churches have their organs located at either side of the Chancel, on the choir side of the Screen, = and there is no problem with the tone projecting throughout the (often very large) buildings.   The only cathedral in the UK which I know does have a problem, is Winchester, where at the extreme west end, the congregation tend to sing a bit behind the rest, but that is purely because of the length of that building, and the subsequent delay in any sound reaching them. Indeed, = even the sound system has multiple digital delay units to delay the sound to = the various sections of (very discreet) loudspeakers.   That does not mean however, that the sound of the insturment in the Nave = is the same as in the Chancel, but take Liverpool Anglican, St Paul's London, Durham, and several other equally world famous organs, and the 'side position' doesn't seem to have done them any harm.   Ken Earl  
(back) Subject: Need winker or diagram From: "Bob K." <rkinner@one.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:24:13 -0500   Dear list,   I need to add a winker to the end of a longish wind trunk to stiffen the wind up a bit. I'm looking for either: 1) A dimensioned drawing of a good-sized winker. 2) A good-sized used winker for sale - willing to cleanup and re-leather if needed. 3) #1 and a set of springs. Thanks, Bob      
(back) Subject: Re: our organ project (X-posted) From: "Tommy Becnel" <tbecnel@cajunnet.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:03:56 -0600   I would think that the 200K you are talking about includes the restoration =   and refinishing of the instrument to make it a unique instrument. I don't know a whole lot about pipe organs, but it wouldn't think 11 ranks of Moller pipework and used chests in questionable condition would be worth 200K. It seems that a whole lot of work would be necessary to convert this =   into a unique instrument both musically and from the standpoint of the visual esthetics of the architecture of your sanctuary. It probably wouldn't cost very much just to stick it in some chamber out of the way, reconnect the console out of sight, and add the electronics and blower. I don't think that's what you planned.   I used to play on a "transplanted" instrument just pulled from the chamber =   and stuck into the attic (yes, the swell was really in the attic) of our church with some new Moller work 3 ranks unified in front, attached to the =   console without much refinishing of anything done. I think the cost in the =   late '60s was about 10-15K. It showed. It worked, but had and still has a multitude of problems.   At 08:19 AM 1/9/2002 -0800, you wrote: >We've got about $17K into the Moller ... purchase, removal, storage for a >year ... plus about $35K into building the organ loft in the new church. > >Here's a curiosity ... in storage, disassembled, we've got it insured for >$300K, which admittedly is high-end for replacing an organ of 11 ranks, = but >why is it that if it DID burn or something and had to be replaced, even = for a >low-end figure ... oh, say $200K ... around $20K per stop ... it's worth = less >than $25K on the open market? > >Among other things, getting rid of the Moller makes me look like an = absolute >FOOL for getting it in the first place. A year ago, all concerned agreed = it >was a good "start" to our organ project. Evidently nobody looked beyond a >year as far as money to store it (the money for that was raised along = with >the money to purchase and remove it), though I think that's a red herring >too. God knows this church could continue to afford $400 a month, though, = as >I pointed out, at some point that eats up the savings of buying it and >re-using at least the pipes. > >Cheers, > > >Bud > >Tommy Becnel wrote: > > > Didn't they pay to have the Moller removed from the church and stored > > professionally. Seems like a waste of money if they are going to sell = the > > thing. They'll never get $25,000 for that organ without the blower and > > other components. I don't guess giving them some estimates of its = worth > > from reputable builders would do any good, huh? > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Totally off-topic casserole query . . . From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:07:36 -0600   So please reply privately.   My husband is looking for delicious casserole (that's "hot dish" in the wilds of Minnesota and Norwegian bachelor farmer country) recipes to feed his church at dinners-on-the-ground. He has used up his favorite - hamburger casserole (he thinks the world's perfect food is a cheeseburger!).   If you have any, please share. He doesn't like any of my recipes.     Hey, maybe I should start an organ e-mail list cook book!   Regards,   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Re: our organ project (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:29:46 -0800   Naw, I meant to REPLACE it if it BURNED or something, it would cost = $200K-$300K for a NEW organ of 11 stops.   Tommy Becnel wrote:   > I would think that the 200K you are talking about includes the = restoration > and refinishing of the instrument to make it a unique instrument. I = don't > know a whole lot about pipe organs, but it wouldn't think 11 ranks of > Moller pipework and used chests in questionable condition would be worth > 200K. It seems that a whole lot of work would be necessary to convert = this > into a unique instrument both musically and from the standpoint of the > visual esthetics of the architecture of your sanctuary. It probably > wouldn't cost very much just to stick it in some chamber out of the way, > reconnect the console out of sight, and add the electronics and blower. = I > don't think that's what you planned. >   The chests won't fit ... they're M-chests, and it's a triangular chamber. = They would have originally, but we lost 4 ft of height somewhere along the = line. Plus they need releathering.   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs for CHEAP From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:50:31 -0800 (PST)   One good example of this came about 30 years ago when I was doing some work on an old Pilcher which included a used console. The priest asked me what a new organ would cost. When I told him, he said "Oh, we could NEVER afford that! A new organ would have to be a gift."   Then the air conditioning went out which cooled half the cathedral and the rectory next door. I heard him tell the air conditioning repair people after learning that a new compressor would cost $25,000 (in 1971), "I don't care how much it costs. Just fix the damned thing."   While the air conditioning was off, the priests rented the whole top floor of the Holiday Inn in downtown Houston for two weeks. I'll bet that cost more than a new organ would.   Here is proof positive (Positiv?) that we can do anything we really want to do.   D. Keith Morgan     --- Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> wrote: > Even in congregations that are not wealthy, there is > almost always money > for pipe organs. I could give many examples, but > let me simply say that the > lack of a pipe organ is usually because of the lack > of leadership. In almost > every instance, once the pipe organ project is > announced by the pastor, more > money becomes available than is initially thought to > be there. Pipe organs are > popular gifts. We simply need to have the > opportunity made known. > A reasonable budget for a given congregation is > assumed, however. The > Organ Clearing House has many options for those who > simply cannot afford > a completely new instrument. > Roy Redman > > Oboe32@aol.com wrote: > > > Hey All, > > I have spoken with many friends about this > issue...A good friend of > > mine, a Catholic priest, has a small congregation > that is not wealthy. This > > congregation is in need of a new organ, and the > pastor wants to go pipe, in > > effort to breath some fresh air into the sad state > of the music program. The > > space is rather large, seating about 500, and the > church would like to go > > with a pipe instrument that could fill the room > and stay under 50K! I know > > this could be possible, but I don't know how to go > about doing it. They have > > a small choir loft in the rear of the church, and > the pastor encourages > > blocking the window, as he doesn't like it! HA! I > estimate that this church > > needs a good robust plenum, a weighty 16' Bourdon, > a fundamental reed, and > > some bold flutes, but I don't know how to go about > getting them started. Let > > the suggestions roll... > > > > -Pete Isherwood > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs for CHEAP From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:33:35 -0600   At 06:50 PM 1/10/02 -0800, you wrote: >"I >don't care how much it costs. Just fix the damned >thing." > >While the air conditioning was off, the priests rented >the whole top floor of the Holiday Inn in downtown >Houston for two weeks. I'll bet that cost more than a >new organ would. > >Here is proof positive (Positiv?) that we can do >anything we really want to do.     Most organ builders/servicemen can provide a similar parallel. The church treasurer or priest never squawks about what the plumber charges, but just =   listen to the flack they raise when they get the organ service bill....unfortunate, but a fact of life...the poor organ ranks very low on =   the priority scale.   jch        
(back) Subject: Re: Totally off-topic casserole query . . . From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:40:14 EST     --part1_15.20d1b473.296fb89e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Glenda,   Try a shrimp gumbo casserole, with Okra, of course. It should be the favorite dish there. Lee   --part1_15.20d1b473.296fb89e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Glenda, <BR> <BR>Try a shrimp gumbo casserole, with Okra, of course. &nbsp;It should be = the favorite dish there. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_15.20d1b473.296fb89e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Totally off-topic casserole query . . . From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:42:43 -0800 (PST)   And, Glenda, if you need any input regarding okra, this list most assuredly will proffer it.... SteveO --- Chicaleee@aol.com wrote: > Glenda, > > Try a shrimp gumbo casserole, with Okra, of > course. It should be the > favorite dish there. Lee >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Leo Sowerby - Interlude From: "Richard Dostie" <rmdostie@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:22:52 +0000   I intend to play Leo Sowerby's "Interlude" from the cantata "Forsaken of Man" at an ecumenical service on Good Friday, and I'm curious as to how = many others ever play this piece. It's very easy compared to most Sowerby (and =   relatively easy to register) but it is certainly an impressive work and = one I should think would serve well on the right instrument and in the right context. Anybody else use it?   Richard M. Dostie St. Thomas' Church Camden, ME USA   _________________________________________________________________ Join the world=92s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: RE: Totally off-topic casserole query . . . From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:28:18 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0085_01C19A36.DDC0DC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I have a casserole cookbook, and someplace in it is a chart. You pick = your base ---potatoes, noodles, rice, etc. then the meat (or fish or whatever), then the sauce, then vegetables, then seasoning, then topping, if any.   Just start making lists for him to choose from. Of course Okra is a given -----always leave it out.   Diane S.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0085_01C19A36.DDC0DC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060451705-11012002><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New">I = have =3D a casserole=3D20 cookbook, and someplace in it is a chart.&nbsp; You pick your base =3D ---potatoes,=3D20 noodles, rice, etc. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060451705-11012002><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New">then = =3D the meat (or=3D20 fish or whatever), </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060451705-11012002><FONT face=3D3D"Courier = New">then=3D20 the&nbsp;sauce,&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060451705-11012002><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New">then = =3D vegetables,=3D20 </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060451705-11012002><FONT face=3D3D"Courier = New">then=3D20 seasoning,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060451705-11012002><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New">then = =3D topping, if=3D20 any.&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060451705-11012002><FONT=3D20 face=3D3D"Courier New"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060451705-11012002><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New">Just = =3D start making=3D20 lists for him to choose from.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060451705-11012002><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New">Of = =3D course Okra is a=3D20 given -----always leave it out.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060451705-11012002><FONT=3D20 face=3D3D"Courier New"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D060451705-11012002><FONT face=3D3D"Courier = New">Diane=3D20 S.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0085_01C19A36.DDC0DC00--    
(back) Subject: Re: another NZ organ From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:22:51 EST     --part1_1e.21542f1c.296fd0ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Ross, That's a very liveable spec. I wonder if some cleaning might brighten up =   the sound. I'm sure that unequal temperament would!!! heeheehee   What does the case look like?     <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_1e.21542f1c.296fd0ab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ross, <BR>That's a very liveable spec. &nbsp;&nbsp;I wonder if some cleaning = might brighten up the sound. I'm sure that unequal temperament would!!! = &nbsp;heeheehee <BR> <BR>What does the case look like? <BR> <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_1e.21542f1c.296fd0ab_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Totally off-topic casserole query . . . From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:26:20 -0800 (PST)     --- STRAIGHT <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> wrote: > ....Of course Okra is a given -----always leave it out. > > Diane S. > Straight talk about okra. I like that....   Ohmer - still at work this late! sigh.   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs for CHEAP From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:04:48 EST     --part1_18e.1a02326.296fda80_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Pete, There were just a few holes in the description: Building seats about 500 and congregation is "small." How small?   One thing to consider is that RC's (in my experience) do not like LOUD organs, so I would suggest spending money on things other than mixtures = and big reeds.   The main thing that is needed is a solid principal chorus that will = accompany hymns and the music of the liturgy: Principal 8, 4, 2. To augment this, = I would suggest a "first open diapason" stop for accompanying larger groups, =   which could be of tenor c compass or even middle c compass if funds are tight.   To complete the Great, an Open Flute and Gamba for a softer foundation and =   accompaniment sound. The Great reed should be something gentle, on the order of a clarinet (the "rules" say Trumpet, but remember that RC's hate loud!), the clarinet would be very useful. Also, a cornet would be = useful as well, especially if there is money for separate stops.   The Swell should be geared to accompanying the choir and not necessarily = as a foil to the Great. A small principal, chimney flute and = salicional/celeste with a 4' principal and 2' flute. If there is room a 4' flute would be nice, but they can be lived without. An oboe for the reed would work = well and, of course, a gentle trumpet if money provides.   The pedal division should have an open wood as it's principal stop, = depending upon the room, and "judicious" duplexing can be done, although I consider = it a needless luxury on a small organ. My experience has been that simple couplers will do just as well without spending money on more mechanism. Every available nickle should go into sound-producing parts. I have = easily played RC liturgies without pistons, and would much rather have had = another stop instead of the pistons I did have.   It is also important that the organ, especially by virtue of its size, = should be encased so that it can be optimally focused into the building. This = will make the organ go along way. The organ I played in my last RC = position was 2/20 (not counting the chamade! i probably should not count the = mixture III since I did not use that either!) and it did very well for the room = which seated 700 and seldom had less than 500 people at a Mass, most of the time =   being full. They sang very well. That stoplist is below:   GREAT: Principal 8, Bourdon 8, Octave 4, Waldflote 2, Mixture III, Fagot = 16 SWELL: Rohrflote 8, Viole de Gambe 8, Viole Celeste 8, Flachflote 4, Principal 2, Quintflote 1-1/3, Trompette 8 PEDAL: Principal 16 - 8, Subbass 16, Offenflote 8, Choralbass 4, Fagot 16 = 8 4 Couplers: Sw - Gr 16 8 4; Sw to Sw 16 4 UO; Gr to Pd 8; Sw to Pd 8 4   The Swell Trompette was too loud and the congregation hated it; it was = also useless as a solo reed because it was too thin and loud. The chamade = plays from the Great and Swell and, of course, was too loud with not enough = organ to support it.         <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_18e.1a02326.296fda80_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Pete, <BR>There were just a few holes in the description: <BR>Building seats about 500 and congregation is "small." = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How small? <BR> <BR>One thing to consider is that RC's (in my experience) do not like LOUD = organs, so I would suggest spending money on things other than mixtures = and big reeds. <BR> <BR>The main thing that is needed is a solid principal chorus that will = accompany hymns and the music of the liturgy: &nbsp;Principal 8, 4, 2. = &nbsp;&nbsp;To augment this, I would suggest a "first open diapason" stop for accompanying larger groups, which could be of tenor c compass = or even middle c compass if funds are tight. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>To complete the Great, an Open Flute and Gamba for a softer foundation = and accompaniment sound. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The Great reed should be = something gentle, on the order of a clarinet (the "rules" say Trumpet, but = remember that RC's hate loud!), the clarinet would be very useful. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Also, a cornet would be useful as well, especially if there is = money for separate stops. <BR> <BR>The Swell should be geared to accompanying the choir and not = necessarily as a foil to the Great. &nbsp;&nbsp;A small principal, chimney = flute and salicional/celeste with a 4' principal and 2' flute. = &nbsp;&nbsp;If there is room a 4' flute would be nice, but they can be = lived without. &nbsp;&nbsp;An oboe for the reed would work well and, of = course, a gentle trumpet if money provides. <BR> <BR>The pedal division should have an open wood as it's principal stop, = depending upon the room, and "judicious" duplexing can be done, although I = consider it a needless luxury on a small organ. &nbsp;&nbsp;My experience = has been that simple couplers will do just as well without spending money = on more mechanism. &nbsp;&nbsp;Every available nickle should go into = sound-producing parts. &nbsp;&nbsp;I have easily played RC liturgies = without pistons, and would much rather have had another stop instead of = the pistons I did have. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>It is also important that the organ, especially by virtue of its size, = should be encased so that it can be optimally focused into the building. = &nbsp;&nbsp;This will make the organ go along way. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The organ I played in my last RC position = was 2/20 (not counting the chamade! &nbsp;i probably should not count the = mixture III since I did not use that either!) and it did very well for the = room which seated 700 and seldom had less than 500 people at a Mass, most = of the time being full. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They sang very well. = &nbsp;&nbsp;That stoplist is below: <BR> <BR>GREAT: &nbsp;&nbsp;Principal 8, Bourdon 8, Octave 4, Waldflote 2, = Mixture III, Fagot 16 &nbsp; <BR>SWELL: &nbsp;Rohrflote 8, Viole de Gambe 8, Viole Celeste 8, = Flachflote 4, Principal 2, Quintflote 1-1/3, Trompette 8 <BR>PEDAL: &nbsp;Principal 16 - 8, Subbass 16, Offenflote 8, Choralbass 4, = Fagot 16 8 4 <BR>Couplers: &nbsp;&nbsp;Sw - Gr 16 8 4; Sw to Sw 16 4 UO; Gr to Pd 8; = &nbsp;Sw to Pd 8 4 <BR> <BR>The Swell Trompette was too loud and the congregation hated it; it was = also useless as a solo reed because it was too thin and loud. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The chamade plays from the Great and Swell and, of course, was = too loud with not enough organ to support it. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_18e.1a02326.296fda80_boundary--  
(back) Subject: small organs for RC churches From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:23:20 -0800   Pete, it doesn't have to be THAT big ... the PIPE scales do, but not the NUMBER of stops. Properly scaled, the following could do just about everything it has to do in the RC liturgy, if the church has reasonable acoustics ... if not ... STRENGTHEN the BASS, WIDEN the scales, and rein in the TREBLES (grin) ... that's what they did in the 19th century for dry churches.   GREAT   8' Open Diapason 8' Harmonic Flute 8' Gemshorn - voiced toward the stringy side 4' Octave 2' Fifteenth     SWELL   8' Stopped Diapason 8' Viola 8' Celeste 4' Chimney Flute 8' Oboe   PEDAL   16' Bourdon - BIG scale, but not TOO loud 16' Stopped Diapason - 12 pipes - ext. Swell 8'   I'm presuming FULL couplers, electric action, and the Swell enclosed.   Cheers,   Bud