PipeChat Digest #2645 - Friday, January 11, 2002
 
Re: Totally off-topic casserole query . . .
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Leo Sowerby - Interlude
  by <Cpmnhartus@aol.com>
Sullivan - organ voluntary?
  by "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk>
Re: Leo Sowerby - Interlude
  by "Richard Dostie" <rmdostie@hotmail.com>
Re: Organist fees
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
All Day Sing With Dinner On The Grounds
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Organist fees
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Pipe Organs and musical variety
  by "Audrey Jacobsen" <AJ1995@home.com>
Re: Leo Sowerby - Interlude
  by "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com>
Re: Leo Sowerby - Interlude
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Leo Sowerby - Interlude
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Organist fees
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Organist fees
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
RE: Organist fees
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Organist fees for the shrink
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Organist fees
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Totally off-topic casserole query . . . From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:22:48 EST   Inquiring minds want to know: what are "dinners-on-the-ground"?? merry   In a message dated 1/10/2002 9:08:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes:   > > My husband is looking for delicious casserole (that's "hot dish" in the > wilds of Minnesota and Norwegian bachelor farmer country) recipes to > feed his church at dinners-on-the-ground. He has used up his favorite = - > hamburger casserole (he thinks the world's perfect food is a > cheeseburger!).  
(back) Subject: Re: Leo Sowerby - Interlude From: <Cpmnhartus@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:29:24 EST     --part1_6b.20c0161d.29705ed4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   11 January 2002   Dear Richard:   Is the Sowerby "Interlude" available separately as an organ solo? It = sounds interesting and I would like to add it to my repertoire.   Cheers.   George   --part1_6b.20c0161d.29705ed4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">11 January 2002<BR> <BR> Dear Richard:<BR> <BR> Is the Sowerby "Interlude" available separately as an organ solo? It = sounds interesting and I would like to add it to my repertoire.<BR> <BR> Cheers.<BR> <BR> George<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_6b.20c0161d.29705ed4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Sullivan - organ voluntary? From: "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:36:14 GMT   Dear All,   When I was re-reading a biography of Sir Arthur Sullivan (1842- 1900), I discovered a claim that the slow movement of his cello concerto was to be arranged and published as an organ voluntary.   Does anyone know if it ever was?   Mark Harris =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  
(back) Subject: Re: Leo Sowerby - Interlude From: "Richard Dostie" <rmdostie@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:01:30 +0000         >From: Cpmnhartus@aol.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: Leo Sowerby - Interlude >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:29:24 EST > >11 January 2002 > >Dear Richard: > >Is the Sowerby "Interlude" available separately as an organ solo? It = sounds >interesting and I would like to add it to my repertoire. > George and List:   I have the Sowerby "Interlude" in a collection called "Selected Organ = Works by Leo Sowerby," edited by Dale Tucker. It is an H.W. Gray, CPP Belwin volume, No. GB00661. Other works include several of the Meditations on Communion Hymns, several chorale preludes like "Malabar," the "Requiescat = in Pace" and other pieces that can be found separately or in other = collections, so I imagine that the "Interlude" may have been published separately as well.   Richard M. Dostie St. Thomas' Church Camden, ME USA         _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Organist fees From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:19:36 EST     --part1_e6.2148b2cf.29706a98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear Paul   I'm assuming a =3DA3 equates out to about $1.70 US, your fees are really low.   Wedding or Funeral in CA a standard fee is $150.00 about 90=3DA3. A Church service $125.00 about 80=3DA3 Two hour choir rehearsal $150.00 about 90=3DA3   What I don't see is a funeral is just as much work as a wedding, they should be charged out the same, not a discount for a sad occasion. I could never fathom that idea as if the person all of a sudden got poor when he/she died.   These are not in any way living wage fees for even a single person. In fact nobody takes into account practice time, procuring music, and a background of excellence. It's sad that everyone who is an organist is taken advantage of and lumped into a pool of mediocrity. To have a decent living standard, it seems to me 3,500=3DA3 per month is not out of the question or about $5,000US per month. We have been treated as a utility, not as professionals. The problem is most people can't do = what=3D20 we do, but no matter what we are paid, it's felt that it's too much. There is an element of Ebenezer Scrouge in all this. An Organist is = expected=3D20 to drive a ten year old car, and live in a 5 story walk up cold water = flat. He's further expected by a Vicar who makes about 7500=3DA3 per month to take what ever he dishes out, including instant termination, and no health benefits. In one of our most prestigeous churches the Pastor made $250,000US or about $150,000=3DA3 per year. he didn't even write his own sermons. A hollywood ghost writer did it. An organist is lucky to make 10% of what the Vicar makes. There is definately something wrong with this picture. College degrees shouldn't even enter into the picture. In our work, proven ability alone should be sufficient unto itself. = It's=3D20 people willing to work cheap that keep all the rest of us at the bottom of the = heap=3D .. Churches expect full time work for 1/8 of the time salery.   There, I've said it,   Ron Severin   Your comments:   Weddings: =3DA335 Funerals: =3DA325 Sunday Morning and other festive services: =3DA312 =3D20 Bearing in mind that I do about 50-60 weddings a year and up to three=3D20 funerals a week, I don't think this is bad going, and therefore was = quite=3D20 surprised to hear this! =3D20     --part1_e6.2148b2cf.29706a98_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Dear Paul<BR> <BR> I'm assuming a =3DA3 equates out to about $1.70 US, your fees are = really<BR> low.<BR> <BR> Wedding or Funeral in CA a standard fee is $150.00 about 90=3DA3.<BR> A Church service $125.00 about 80=3DA3<BR> Two hour choir rehearsal $150.00 about 90=3DA3<BR> <BR> What I don't see is a funeral is just as much work as a wedding,<BR> they should be charged out the same, not a discount for a sad = occasion.<BR> I could never fathom that idea as if the person all of a sudden got = poor<BR> when he/she died.<BR> <BR> These are not in any way living wage fees for even a single person. In<BR> fact nobody takes into account practice time, procuring music, and<BR> a background of excellence. It's sad that everyone who is an organist<BR> is taken advantage of and lumped into a pool of mediocrity. To have a<BR> decent living standard, it seems to me 3,500=3DA3 per month is not out = of<BR> the question or about $5,000US per month. We have&nbsp; been treated = as<BR> a utility, not as professionals. The problem is most people can't do what = <B=3D R> we do, but no matter what we are paid, it's felt that it's too much. = There<B=3D R> is an element of Ebenezer Scrouge in all this. An Organist is expected = <BR> to drive a ten year old car, and live in a 5 story walk up cold water = flat.<=3D BR> He's further expected by a Vicar who makes about 7500=3DA3 per month<BR> to take what ever he dishes out, including instant termination, and no<BR> health benefits. In one of our most prestigeous churches the Pastor<BR> made $250,000US or about $150,000=3DA3 per year. he didn't even write<BR> his own sermons. A hollywood ghost writer did it. An organist is lucky<BR> to make 10% of what the Vicar makes. There is definately something = wrong<BR> with this picture. College degrees shouldn't even enter into the = picture.<BR=3D > In our work, proven ability alone should be sufficient unto itself. It's = peo=3D ple<BR> willing to work cheap that keep all the rest of us at the bottom of the = heap=3D ..<BR> Churches expect full time work for 1/8 of the time salery.<BR> <BR> There, I've said it,<BR> <BR> Ron Severin<BR> <BR> Your comments:<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Book Antiqua" LANG=3D3D"0">Weddings: = =3DA335<BR> Funerals: =3DA325<BR> Sunday Morning and other festive services: =3DA312<BR> <BR> Bearing in mind that I do about 50-60 weddings a year and up to three = funera=3D ls a week, I don't think this is bad going, and therefore was quite = surprise=3D d to hear this!&nbsp; <BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_e6.2148b2cf.29706a98_boundary--  
(back) Subject: All Day Sing With Dinner On The Grounds From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:39:22 -0800   In the South, most old rural churches have permanent picnic grounds with = tables and barbeque pits. Church dinners are referred to as "dinner on the = grounds" .... in the old days, they used to be "All-Day Sings With Dinner On the Grounds", using one of the shape-note hymnals, usually Sacred Harp = Harmony. There'd be a morning session, then a HUGE dinner ("dinner" is the noon = meal in the Old South), and then an afternoon session ... staying awake and = SINGING when you're full of fried chicken, potato salad, cole slaw and biscuits is = REAL interesting (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   MFoxy9795@aol.com wrote:   > Inquiring minds want to know: what are "dinners-on-the-ground"?? > merry > > In a message dated 1/10/2002 9:08:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, > gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes: > > > > > My husband is looking for delicious casserole (that's "hot dish" in = the > > wilds of Minnesota and Norwegian bachelor farmer country) recipes to > > feed his church at dinners-on-the-ground. He has used up his = favorite - > > hamburger casserole (he thinks the world's perfect food is a > > cheeseburger!). > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Organist fees From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:37:33 -0000   Dear Paul,   Fees at the church where I play in Canterbury are:   Weddings - =A340 (doubled if the service is videoed) Funerals - =A340   I don't know what the rate for a Sunday service is as I'm on a salary for the rest of the services.   The RSCM publish recommended rates for Organists. I have the full = document which I will happily forward to you if you contact me privately.   Yours,   Steve Barker Organist and Choirmaster St Stephen's Church, Canterbury, Kent, UK.      
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs and musical variety From: "Audrey Jacobsen" <AJ1995@home.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:44:19 -0800   Hi Ron,   Well said! Are these people unaware (understatement) of the significantly sized organs even dating from the early 20th century in MANY Roman Catholic churches - with symphonic and baroque divisions? And that our staff concert organists perform significant repertoire on these instruments?   Oh my, we must educate these protestants! And good for you to use your own performance practices as the illustration.   Regards, Audrey Jacobsen   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Bruce > > What are telling this young man, RC's don't like loud organ! ? I think > it all depends in how the music is presented. My prelude music is always > on the soft side, strings flutes soft reed solo's, Improvisations. The > opening > hymn Diapason chorus mixtures, and plenty of flue 16' and 8' bass in the > pedal to balance. Offertory: Soft improvisations, or some 17th and 18th > century English, French, Italian, German, or Dutch works on colorful but > subdued registrations. Communion: same thing only longer, and I finally = cut > to just a whisper and fade out. Recessional Hymn: Same as opening hymn. > Then we cut to the Cathedral Roar for the postlude Reeds, 32' in the = pedal > final chord full organ. I have people drive 40-60 miles just for that = moment. > If I didn't do that, they'd ask me if I weren't feeling well, or if I = forgot > to > practice. They hate lent! Opening hymn, Closing Hymn that's it. It's = called > Penance. Boy, it's as tough on them as it is on me. There are a lot of > people who used to leave early, now sit until I'm done. It thrills them = that > much! It's all in the presentation. If you make it interesting, they'll = love > it > all. It took a while for them to get used to me, now they lay in wait = for > each new package I open for them. 18th Century French is their favorite > and mine too. But you have to play a variety. They love chimes. V. F. > and Fred Swann both say more souls have been saved by chimes and > string celestes than any other stops on the organ. I believe it! > > Regards, > > Ron Severin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Leo Sowerby - Interlude From: "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:47:30 -0600   Wow ... this is a trip down memory lane for me. During Lent of 1960(!), perhaps Good Friday or some other evening in Holy Week, I heard = my then-teacher Leo Sowerby play and conduct his last performance of = "Forsaken of Man" at St. James Cathedral, Chicago. My organ teacher at that time, Ed Mondello, turned pages and said afterward that he (Mondello), in trying to be as unobtrusive as possible, sat on one cheek throughout and was amazed = at the total control that Sowerby displayed (complete with incessant piston changes to add to mix of playing and conducting) at the tender age of 65, give or take a few weeks.   I do remember the Interlude, which was quite moving. Don't I wish I had paid more attention! And what a pity that the concert wasn't = recorded. Somehow, we didn't think about recording concerts and recitals in churches very much in those days. Nothing was built into a rudimentary PA system = then (particularly true in more liturgical churches, perhaps?), and it was a = bit of a hassle to get someone to bring in equipment and get everything set up and ready to go.   Little did I know at that concert that in a couple of months I would become Sowerby's assistant at St. James. And mentioning page turning reminds me of my playing for a prelude during Christmas of 1960 Searle Wright's "Greensleeves". Leo was my page turner, and he got quite absorbed with the piece as it went on, since this was the first time he'd heard it. Well ... there's a high "G" in the pedal where the refrain comes in, and Sowerby's left foot was perched over it in such a way that I couldn't = sound the note with the toe of my right shoe. He was so embarrassed and so angry with himself that he had caused this to happen that I think I ended up feeling even sorrier than he did.   The Interlude in question was indeed published separately, and I can consult my files this weekend to dig out the piece for the original H.W. Gray catalog number if anyone wants it. I'm not sure why I'm sitting here puzzled over this piece and the Hinrichsen publication of Sowerby's Fugue, Interlude & Toccata (1959). Surely they have to be two distinctly = different pieces, but something about the Hinrichsen Interlude is furrows my brow. = Ah well, another thing to look into this weekend.   Thanks for bringing back some fond memories,   Bob Lind     From: Richard Dostie <rmdostie@hotmail.com> on 01/11/2002 10:01 AM Please respond to PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org>@SMTP@cchntmsd         >From: Cpmnhartus@aol.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: Leo Sowerby - Interlude >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:29:24 EST > >11 January 2002 > >Dear Richard: > >Is the Sowerby "Interlude" available separately as an organ solo? It sounds >interesting and I would like to add it to my repertoire. > George and List:   I have the Sowerby "Interlude" in a collection called "Selected Organ Works by Leo Sowerby," edited by Dale Tucker. It is an H.W. Gray, CPP Belwin volume, No. GB00661. Other works include several of the Meditations on Communion Hymns, several chorale preludes like "Malabar," the "Requiescat in Pace" and other pieces that can be found separately or in other collections, so I imagine that the "Interlude" may have been published separately as well.   Richard M. Dostie    
(back) Subject: Re: Leo Sowerby - Interlude From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:08:48 EST     --part1_dc.11732c84.29709240_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/11/02 10:30:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, Cpmnhartus@aol.com writes:     > Is the Sowerby "Interlude" available separately as an organ solo? It = sounds > interesting and I would like to add it to my repertoire. >       <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_dc.11732c84.29709240_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 1/11/02 10:30:22 AM Eastern = Standard Time, Cpmnhartus@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE = style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Is the Sowerby "Interlude" available separately as = an organ solo? It sounds interesting and I would like to add it to my = repertoire. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_dc.11732c84.29709240_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Leo Sowerby - Interlude From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:12:27 EST     --part1_115.ac57a07.2970931b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/11/02 10:30:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, Cpmnhartus@aol.com writes:     > Is the Sowerby "Interlude" available separately as an organ solo? It = sounds > interesting and I would like to add it to my repertoire. >   I have a copy of it published in the St. Cecilia Series. It is for sale. =   Please contact me if you are interested. There is also an = almost-complete list of pieces/collections available on my webpage - <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> - (shameless plug!). Gotta admit... it's one of the longest interludes = I've ever seen, lovely as it is!!   I recall that Sowerby was quoted as saying, "If I could life my life over, = I would write twice as much music and make it half as long."       <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_115.ac57a07.2970931b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 1/11/02 10:30:22 AM Eastern = Standard Time, Cpmnhartus@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE = style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Is the Sowerby "Interlude" available separately as = an organ solo? It sounds interesting and I would like to add it to my = repertoire. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I have a copy of it published in the St. Cecilia Series. &nbsp;It is = for sale. &nbsp;Please contact me if you are interested. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There is also an almost-complete list of = pieces/collections available on my webpage - &nbsp;<A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> &nbsp;- = &nbsp;(shameless plug!). &nbsp;&nbsp;Gotta admit... it's one of the = longest interludes I've ever seen, lovely as it is!! <BR> <BR>I recall that Sowerby was quoted as saying, "If I could life my life = over, I would write twice as much music and make it half as long." <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_115.ac57a07.2970931b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist fees From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:17:32 EST     --part1_a6.1f6bb253.2970944c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/11/02 11:22:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:     > What I don't see is a funeral is just as much work as a wedding, > they should be charged out the same, not a discount for a sad occasion. > I could never fathom that idea as if the person all of a sudden got poor > when he/she died. >   Another thing to consider is that funerals, more often than not, take = place during normal working hours so that the part-time organst must take time = off from their "real job" to play and travel to and from the funeral. = Weddings are usually "after hours."     <A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit <A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> = and meet the Baskerbeagles: Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi   --part1_a6.1f6bb253.2970944c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/11/02 11:22:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What I don't see = is a funeral is just as much work as a wedding, <BR>they should be charged out the same, not a discount for a sad = occasion. <BR>I could never fathom that idea as if the person all of a sudden got = poor <BR>when he/she died. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Another thing to consider is that funerals, more often than not, take = place during normal working hours so that the part-time organst must take = time off from their "real job" to play &nbsp;and travel to and from the = funeral. &nbsp;&nbsp;Weddings are usually "after hours." <BR> <BR> <BR> &nbsp;<I><A HREF=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Bruce Cornely</A> </I> <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit &nbsp;<I><A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502">HowlingAcres</A> </I>and meet = the Baskerbeagles: &nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi </FONT></HTML>   --part1_a6.1f6bb253.2970944c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist fees From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:23:41 -0600   At 02:17 PM 1/11/02 -0500, you wrote: >What I don't see is a funeral is just as much work as a wedding, >they should be charged out the same, not a discount for a sad occasion. >I could never fathom that idea as if the person all of a sudden got poor >when he/she died.   After observing these lists over the years I've gotten the impression that =   there is far less hassle as far as the music is concerned at a funeral = than a wedding....maybe I've gotten the wrong impression but aren't brides and bride's mothers usually a nemesis for the poor organist. The grieving = widow generally has other matters of a graver concern such as were did the old codger hide his money.   jch    
(back) Subject: RE: Organist fees From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:14:41 -0500   Don't leave out the fees for the Shrink you need for doing this is the = first place! Robert Colasacco  
(back) Subject: RE: Organist fees for the shrink From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:49:06 -0500   <<<<<<<<Don't leave out the fees for the Shrink you need for doing this is the first place!>>>>>>>.   Had my session yesterday. Got a new piano student. Older teenage boy, I think, maybe college age. Seems he got himself a new fancy keyboard, and the direction book has around 80 pieces of music in the back. He wants to learn to read the music.   He wants to play Pachelbel's Canon ---LOVES that piece, it's SO beautiful! Would I play it for him after the lesson? And would I possibly happen to know "Seek Ye First"? Could I possibly play it? So I did, of course, and have this young fellow sitting there looking like he's seen his dream girl. I'm 59.   Is this the one, do you suppose? I have this strong feeling that I've been given this opportunity in order to teach "the right one" who will come along. Maybe I'll never know which one it was.   Diane S.          
(back) Subject: Re: Organist fees From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:35:21 -0500   Paul,   Somehow your message came through as an attachment which I can't open. Can you set your computer to send messages to Piep Chat in plain text? Indeed, would you be willing to send me the message about organist's fees = as plain text? Thanx for your every consideration.   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA   > From: "Paul Austin" <paul-austin@ntlworld.com> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:33:19 -0000 > To: "pipechat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Organist fees > >